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hasyak:

i will appreciate if i can be brief on who was the first pope?

chukwudi44:

Cyprian of Carthage in 251 C.E.:
"And although to all the apostles, after His resurrection, He gives an equal power, and says, “As the Father hath sent me, , , they shall be retained;” (John 20:21-22) yet, He founded a single Chair. That He might set forth unity, He established by His authority the origin of that unity, as having its origin in one man alone. No doubt the others were all that Peter was, but a primacy is given to Peter, and it is thus made clear that there is but one Church and one Chair. So too, even if they are all shepherds, we are shown but one flock which is to be fed by all the apostles in common accord. If a man does not hold fast to this oneness of Peter, does he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he deserts the Chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, has he confidence that he is in the Church?" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4)
http://www.romancatholicism.org/jansenis…

Eusebius of Caesarea in 312 C.E.:
"As to the rest of his followers, Paul testifies that Crescens was sent to Gaul; but Linus, whom he mentions in the Second Epistle to Timothyas his companion at Rome, was Peter’s successor in the episcopate of the church there, as has already been shown. Clement also, who was appointed third bishop of the church at Rome, was, as Paul testifies, his co-laborer and fellow-soldier." (Church History 3:4:9–10).
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.…

Irenaeus in 189 C.E.:
"The very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; ,  The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate." (Against Heresies 3:3:2-3)
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.ix…

Aloy+Emeka:
http://pmnewsnigeria.com/2010/10/29/after-pouring-hot-water-on-woman-shina-peters-son-remanded-in-kirikiri/

manmustwac:

Can somebody please click on the link & copy n paste it here so i can read it since the poster is too dumb to do it.

Coz i can't access the link since am browsing with my mobile.

Tudór:
Actually it matters. If it didn't matter jesus wouldnt be said to wander around healing the sick, innit?

I thought sickness was of the devil and 'children of God' have no business with sickness. . . What does light have to do with darkness?

She lived a full life? At 57? Bwahhhhhahahhahaha. . . . I thought christians are to live 120 years?

Bimbo died in a plane crash like every passenger on that aircraft. We heard she lived a full life too.

Yea, well so did the Sultan of Sokoto in another crash who was called by Allah.

So christians, die, accident and fall sick like the rest of us gentiles?
Where then are the much touted benefits of christianity and so-called power 'in the name of jesus'?

If its in anybody's 'Good will' that you die roasting alive in a fire or withering painfully before your very eyes due to cancer,

then I think you should ask for a part refund of your school fees citing the fact they didnt define the meaning of 'Good will' for you.

Aloy+Emeka:
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KunleOshob:

@e3691

Hope you know it is actually a sin to add or remove from the laws of God,

going by that it is actually those who are making unbiblical claims that it is a sin that are actually sinning.

Ps: kindly note that I am not advocating for polygamous marriage neither do I endorse it, but truth must be told.

Emade:

Marrying more than one wife a sin. If yes were is it writing in de bible. God help us.

KunleOshob:

No biblical evidence to support the notion that it is a sin, on the contrary several men of God in the bible had more than one wife.

1 Kings 1:1-2 New Living Translation (©2007):
¹King David was now very old, and no matter how many blankets covered him, he could not keep warm

²So his advisers told him,

"Let us find a young virgin to wait on you and look after you, my lord. She will lie in your arms and keep you warm."

Osama10:
Body no be fire wood now.

bashy_demy:
@ what age?

Osama10:
My uncle in his 80's is still very active sexually.

KunleOshob:
At old age what one really soughts in marriage is companionship and NOT just sex. Sex is secondary at that age,

I would mute that this marriage is more of a companionship thing than sex.  

Congrats to the General Superintedent, maybe this time around baba would relax on the stringent doctrines he preaches in his church.

1 Kings 1:1-2 New Living Translation  (©2007):
¹King David was now very old, and no matter how many blankets covered him, he could not keep warm

²So his advisers told him,

"Let us find a young virgin to wait on you and look after you, my lord. She will lie in your arms and keep you warm."

babaearly:
Who Is The Truth? Christ Or Mohammed?

I want you to help me analyze both personalities relating to their influence in human life lets see which one really makes much sense.

OLAADEGBU:
OK.  Let me make an attempt at your posers.

1. How without usurping, can God legally operate on earth?

God has to step out of eternity and take up humanity, to become flesh and blood. 

This happened when the Second Person in the godhead was supernaturally born through Virgin Mary

and became the perfect sacrifice for humankind.

2) What is the criteria that permits God to exist or live legally on earth?

To partake of flesh and blood.

3) What status must God have or does God need to legally gain entry on earth?

To become a man.

Who told you am a teacher?  What I simply meant was that the Son of God became the Son of Man so as to make man become the sons of God.

John 1:1;3-5; 9-15 & 18 KJV:
¹In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

³All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made

⁴In him was life; and the life was the light of men

⁵And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

⁹[That] was the[b] true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world[/b]

¹⁰He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not

¹¹He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

¹²But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

¹³Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

¹⁴And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

¹⁵John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me

¹⁸No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

OLAADEGBU:
Please, don't break record o

Your POTUS (crude and constricting parallel) reveals where you are coming from and where you are at.

This is the evidence of the POTUS parallel you made.

The difference is that kola Olaoye is one being in different capacities while God is three distinct and separate persons (The Lord God, the Messiah and the Holy Spirit). See God in action in this verse in Matthew 3:16,17:

"And Jesus, when He was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon Him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

When the Bible says the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters then I take it that He moved upon the waters, you are entitled to any meaning you want to give it.  The Holy Spirit has all the qualities of God and that is why He is God.

All these questions can be answered in a separate thread as I would not like to divert the issue at hand. 

Derek Prince, in his book, Atonement.  Shed more light on how the Trinity was at work in every major phase of the redemption, that each of the Godhead is directly involved: 

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[li]Baptism in the Jordan River.  The Spirit descended on the Son, and the Father spoke His approval from heaven (Matt.3:14-17).[/li]
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[li]Public ministry.  The Father anointed the Son with the Spirit (Acts 10:38).[/li]
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[li]The crucifixion.  Jesus offered Himself to the Father through the Spirit (Heb.9:14).[/li]
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[li]The resurrection.  The Father resurrected the Son by the Spirit (Acts 2:32; Rom.1:4).[/li]
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[li]Pentecost.  From the Father the Son received the Spirit, whom He then poured out on His disciples (Acts 2:33).[/li]
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Each Person of the Godhead -- and I mean this reverently -- was jealous to be included in the process of redeeming humanity."  -- Derek Prince, Atonement

Therefore, God does not refer to 3 manifestations of one person or one being but of 3 separate Persons in perfect unity.

Quote from e36991 on October 20, 2010, 09:00 PM]Moving swiftly on. Now question, if God is Spirit

1) How without usurping, can God legally operate on earth?

2) What is the criteria that permits God to exist or live legally on earth?

3) What status must God have or does God need to legally gain entry on earth?

Answers to the above will likely shed some light on or reveal some of the Evidence Of The Deity Of Christ and the relevance of God the Son[/quote]Shame you waived the questions off and brushed them aside

[quote author=OLAADEGBU:
God too is not deaf that He cannot hear us but our iniquities have separated between God and us

- that is the reason why God had to become man so as to bridge the gap and reconcile us back to God.

Rhino.3dm:
Verrrrry wrong! We just exchange pleasentry

cos we share values and we are e-brothers.

So i suggest you re-read, re-understand and re-reply . . .

or go and re-learn hasua cos you are far below average.

Rhino.3dm:
^^ mazaje! A mun gafara da wannan karambani. . . . .sai a hankali.

mazaje:
Maza maza maza. . . . .Hmmmm sai a hankali, ya harkoki?. . . . .Da fatan kana lafiya. . . .

JeSoul:
e36991,

 how body my brother? longest of long times.

You have been missed oh  . Hope all is well with you dear.

Rhino.3dm:
how can we be sure that those things are not facts in other level of energy or possible in the later feature may be science will be able to make inventions that that will make them visible.

Eg i personally thought UFO's are mirage not until last month i was out in the night and my friend notice two dumbell shape like object moving in a calculated cyclic motion for a while with a bright light like a car head light.

I was stunt and that change alot in my perception of things i used to feel arent there, 

JeSoul:
Very interesting Rhino. Care to expound a bit on how your perceptions have changed?

OLAADEGBU:
My contention about the POTUS' analogy was that it gives those who struggle with the doctrine of trinity a reason to doubt it. 

I know that you and Davidylan believes that God is One Person manifesting in three different capacities

but this is different from what I understand about the Godhead, which is three Personalities sharing the same essence. 

That the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit but they are all One God.

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Shield-Trinity-Scutum-Fidei-English.png

e36991:
@OLAADEGBU

True about the three Personalities sharing the same essence. I agree with that . . .

Those three Personalities are what have been revealed to us up until now. There could be more to GOD that this. we dont know for sure . . .

In order to give this its due justice I need to Brb to continue later . . .

kola oloye:
If my answer would bring solution to the issue at hand - no qualms

Is GOD omnipotent?
YES

Is anything impossible for GOD?
Yes, He cannot lie and he cannot die.

Is it beyond GOD to be in two places at the same time?
He is everywhere at the same time.

Are you married?
Yes. I have 3 wives before I left Islam

Are you a father?
YES, to the glory of God,7 children

Now it is time for you to put the last nail.

I'm waiting.

OLAADEGBU:
I appreciate your supporting posts here and your help in the past.

My contention about the POTUS' analogy was that it gives those who struggle with the doctrine of trinity a reason to doubt it.

I know that you and Davidylan believes that God is One Person manifesting in three different capacities

but this is different from what I understand about the Godhead, which is three Personalities sharing the same essence.

That the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit but they are all One God.

kola oloye:
Please don't get me confused.

If you have God the Son, it means you have God the father and God the Holy spirit, right?

How many gods do we have then if not three?


As for me, I know and I believe there is only one God.

Jesus is the Son of the Most High God, Jehovah.

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter dwelling within us.

Anything aside this is arrant rubbish.

kola oloye:
My brother, there is only one God. His name is Jehovah.

Jesus is the Christ, the redeemer. I don't believe in 3 gods.

Don't you have JOHN 3:16 in your Bible?

nuclearboy:
Dude' you take all these crap too seriously. Better lighten up a bit.

How you can read that satan sleeps inside your nose and believe it amazes me

- are there 6 billion satans or was it only muhammads nose that satan found a thick soft mattress?

Get a life please and stop worsening the issue

- you ought to be happy it was dying down yet here you are waking up an embarrassment

Uyi Iredia:
Mr Desmond talks like a 'heterophobic'

thehomer:
How did you arrive at this conclusion?

kola oloye:
I don't care how anybody feels about the truth.

God cannot be killed. The fact that someone said something does not make it right.

Someone looong time ago said the the Earth was flat but what do we have now.

Someone has to check every opinion and be very sure of it.

Wait, what do you think would happen if you burn a transformer of any equipment in your home?

Definitely the thing ceased working and you need the service of an electrician or an expert to fix it for you.

If God actually died, then who made the resurrection possible for him?

You should also be able to tell me what God was trying to prove and to who by allowing himself to be killed by what he created?

God crying on the cross to himself for his own mercy?

Common use your head.

On JOHN 3:16 I stand.

Kay 17:
I have been considering Desmond Tutu's stand on homosexuality,

I had always felt it was unnatural and should be prohibited.

Taking an anarchist's scale that no man has any right over another man,

and the fact that it lays no harm for the general society, why then bother about what the man does in his privacy.

I would not want any one placing any sanctions for my lack of religion!

Though I find it very unpleasant, I think is one of endurance of another's freedom as consequence of enjoying one's own freedom.

What's your take on this. . .

aletheia:
Why did you feel that it is unnatural and should be prohibited?

thehomer:
What's Desmond Tutu's stand?

joshelen:
What does Mal 4:5-6 means

Image123:
. . . There goes what we refer to as the doctrine of the Trinity (3 in 1).

OLAADEGBU:
I am not too sure about your analogy of the POTUS but let me use one stone to kill two three birds. 

What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God?

Does the title applied to Jesus, Son of God, imply that He is different than God? No. 

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17). 

Christians are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten). 

Jesus is not called adopted because He never became God's Son, but has always been God's Son. Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature, as C.S. Lewis explains:

"To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make.  And the difference is this.  When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself.  A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself.  A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . .  Now that is the first thing to get clear.  What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man.  What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man.  That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is.  They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget.  What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature. 

Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made.  Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal.  If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. are in error.

Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED

John 5:30 GOD'S WORD Translation:
I can't do anything on my own.

As I listen [to the Father], I make my judgments.

My judgments are right because I don't try to do what I want but what the one who sent me wants.

ttalks:
Are you not confused or confusing yourself Kola?

You say you do not accept what others say about Jesus but what Jesus said about himself.

Please tell me/us which book Jesus personally wrote by himself in the bible.

The portions you choose to believe;quotations of Christ (which you refer to as "Let us hear from the Lord himself", were they written by Christ?

Were they not still written by some other person other than Christ?

Does that not put such quotations in the same standing as those quotations in the book of Revelation which you choose not to accept?

Why believe one part and disbelieve others?

OLAADEGBU:
Some cults and false religions argue that because Jesus said the Father is "greater" than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God.  

Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30).  

He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philipians 2:6-11).  

Positionally, then, the Father was "greater" than Jesus.