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snthesis: so lets c i get two affirmatives from two Atheist, and their basis of Man origin is Evolution.i guess i will tow d line that most Atheist believe in Evolution.

now lets define Evolution: Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives the following definition of evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations"
p.s
i typed evolution in google and came across the cool site [url] http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution[/url]

now lets break down evolution: from its definition "the origin of a new specie comes from other pre-existing specie" if this is true what/who created the very 1st specie

If you go to conservapedia, you ain't getting accurate info. Though I doubt you are interested in accurate info as you must have skipped wikipedia at the top of the list. Besides, humans are still investigating abiogenesis, we will find out, we are not omniscient. Your god is and he says people think with their hearts. Well then. It seems you have dropped all pretense of not advocating the bible god. And my reply is this again, who made god?

That idiot quoting the quran, harry potter says'shut up!'. Why do I have to beleive your story book.

panaroma: Alright let's wait for kishi to make his announcement...buh those of us who have red hair theory will be proven rite....even sage kabuto pointed to that has the main proof.....I qoute kabuto "ALL UZUMAKI HAVE RED HAIR" end of qoute.....it isn't had to see......but let's wait for kishi

all uzumaki have red hair =/= all red hair are uzumaki

davidugotex: My prayer for all you atheists and agnostics is that God should touch ur lives like he did Saul on his way to Damascus. So that you will believe in Him and repent, in order not to end up in hell fire where you'll have all the proofs you're looking for, by then it would have been too late for you.

God stays hidden throughout life and pop up to send you to hell? Where people are tortured alive after they die?? And god is love!! The bible says by their fruits you shall know them, well then, who has hurt more people yahweh or lucifer?

Myers and Kay, don't bother with him. He'll just repeat himself over and over.

I'd prefer hell to heaven. A place non-beleivers are burned alive after they die.
Wait what!!?

Alexos: It's a pity that we all have neglected the fact that God is always watching over us .ALL OF US IF GUILTY OF THIS OFFENCE.

God is sending this to you:

Dear Child,

As you got up this morning, I watched you, and hoped you would talk to me, even if it was just a few words, asking my opinion or thanking me for something good that happened in your life yesterday.

But I noticed you were too busy, trying to find the right outfit to wear. When you ran around the house getting ready, I knew there would be a few minutes for you to stop and say hello, but you were to busy.

At one point you had to wait fifteen minutes with nothing to do except sit in a chair. Then I saw you spring to your feet. I thought you wanted to talk to me but you ran to the phone and called a friend to get the latest gossip instead. I watched patiently all day long. With all our activities I guess you were too busy to say anything to me.

I noticed that before lunch you looked around, maybe you felt embarrassed to talk to me,that is why you didn't bow your head. You glanced three or four tables over and you noticed some of your friends talking to me briefly before they ate, but you didn't.
That's okay. There is still more time left, and I hope that you will talk to me yet.

You went home and it seems as if you had lots of things to do. After a few of them were done, you turned on the TV. I don't know if you like TV or not, just about anything goes there and you spend a lot of time each day in front of it not thinking about anything, just enjoying the show. I waited patiently again as you watched the TV and ate your meal, but again you didn't talk to me. Bedtime I guess you felt too tired. After you said goodnight to your family you plopped into bed and fell asleep in no time.

That's okay because you may not realize that I am always there for you,  I've got patience, more than you will ever know,  I even want to teach you how to be patient with others as well. I love you so much that I wait everyday for a nod, prayer or thought, or a thankful part of your heart. It is hard to have a one-sided conversation. Well, you are getting up once again. Once again I will wait, with nothing but love for you. Hoping that today you will give me some time. Have a nice day!

Your friend,
GOD.

P.S I'm turning up the oven...forever and then you'll see.
Though I did not talk to you, I preferred to wait till you die, so i can fling you to hell muhuhuhuhahahahahah!!!
Okay thanks bye.

snthesis: "Humans make Humans" is that d best you could come up with, smh

Jesus christ you are dumb (no offense to stupid people). Humans do make humans through s.x.

Let me give another analogy
You come into a room to behold a marvelous Painting, ur first ask wud be wow, who's work is this? Y, cos u instinctively know it was created.

Now if u integrate this to the lovely Scenaries around you, you see the works of His hand at every turn and yet it doesn't sound illogical that you think it was as a result of an accident, rather than the Works of a MasterCraftsman- God.

jack 65 was right, you ARE a joke. You can't even write properly. The analogy is the same, we see people making these things so it's natural to ask who made this painting.

Image123: Not many. It's very hard to be a true christian, with a personal experience of God and then become an atheist. maybe an agnostic, a God-hater. So, the statement holds deep.


This is lazy. So it's either the Bible is right when it seems to suit you(seeming to support that Jesus would not come), or the Bible is adulterated when it doesn't suit you (seeming to support that Jesus is coming soon). Thumbs up to your atheistic sloth.


Yeah right, it's meaningless, since it's written in a language you don't understand. BTW, i don't have the time for shooting down anybody.


Try harder. The passage is clear enough.Bible in Basic English
Joh 21:22 Jesus said to him, If it is my desire for him to be here till I come back, what is that to you? come yourself after me.
Joh 21:23 So this saying went about among the brothers that this disciple would not undergo death: Jesus, however, did not say that he would not undergo death, but, If it is my desire for him to be here till I come back, what is that to you?


Tell me more, PLEASE.
Psa 22:1 My God, my God, why are you turned away from me? why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my crying?
Psa 22:8 He put his faith in the Lord; let the Lord be his saviour now: let the Lord be his saviour, because he had delight in him.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

Go and read your Bible more, you'd know why Jews don't believe in Jesus.

ooh ooh ooh ooh, can we get to the point where you type out the full psalm.
Oh? Did you just pull a no true scotsman fallacy? I'm not saying the bible is right, i'm saying it's confused!

snthesis: BE LOGICAL
a biro is made in factories (i.e a greater being than the Biro)
biros dont make biros
Humans Procreate
but the Human Species was made by a higher Being i.e. GOD!!!!!

Let me translate your logic 1+1=2, therefore a+a=b therefore the sky is blue. Biros dn't make biros but humans make humans. What's the relationship?
You shout be logical, who made God then, you haven't answered?

snthesis: what i bring to the table is simple- the works of His Hands, they are all around you, marvel and being in Awe.the simplest of creatures could never have been designed by accident. its easier for a biro to be accidently created than for an amoeba to be created and yet when we see a biro we acknowledge that it was made and cant seem to fathom that a greater Being made You.




its either you were created in which case you acknowledge a Maker/ God
or You were selfcreated in which case you are God

what i sense from Atheist is a form of pride "i am logical", "i am intelligent"

since you are of the denial of a Creator, do u claim to have made ur self? if you did, did u choOse ur features, ur RACE, ETC. AND THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS nO, nO NO..... MEANING U R HELPLESS TO UR FATE- IF YOU DIDNT CREATE URSELF IT IMPLIES THAT YOU WERE MADE AND HAVE A GOD.

Lol@kettle calling pot black. Who is the arrogant one "I can't be wrong"? Your own words. Biros are made in factories, we know that. When you see a child who do you ask fo, their maker or their parents? You promised us Logic here, self caused is illogical and irrational. An effect cannot trigger it's cause. Look i am done with you, you are so smug and self satisfied in your own ignorance. It all boils down to, I don't know so goddidit. If I throw an orange on the wall and it makes a mark, I am sure someone like you will say it must have been by design, and again who designed God? The one's animals who survived survived and adapted to their environment, no design there just chance at work.

jmoore: I only mentioned three, Faraday, Newton and Maxwell who are Christians. I never said Einstein was a christian, Einstein was the one that do not believe in a personal God and not Newton.




My IQ keeps going higher, I've lost count


You seem confused, I am not a theologian too but I am a christian so is Faraday, Newton and Maxwell



Charles Darwin said you came from apes meaning your great ..... grand fathers are apes. are you the son of an ape?

Just to roundup because these debates only end when we face death, We as christians do not need man to endorse God.

IQ is constant.
Faraday and co are not theologians, they are not qualified that department. Just like Hawkings is not qualified to speak on Biology.
I am an ape. Humans are apes. What does that change?

snthesis: u havent answered my question
Wu created the 1st man?

Who is wu, and is he your God?lol
now srsly, did u check evolution, man and other modern apes branched out from a common ancestor.
If you mean the origin of life, there is no strong theory yet.
And self created is a silly concept. The effect causes the cause which causes the effect. Do you make sense to yourself?

snthesis: the proof is in definition
its either Yes or No, theres no inbetween.

its either you were created in which case you acknowledge a Maker/ God
or You were selfcreated in which case you are God.

can Man allude to being Self-Created

2) let me clarify further on your assumption- a robot is made on Earth and then sent to the Moon but with an indepth programming on how to sustain itself with the resources provided and we (Man) watch the daily activities of the Robot (akin to watching Big brother. once the Robot has reached the destination a signal is sent to activate it and the entertainment begins.

cool story bro.

snthesis: and wu created the very 1st Man

since you are smart enough to use wiki , i implore you to wiki evolutionary theory. Theory in the scientific meaning.
And I said if you want to open that who created who created sh.i.te, i wil ask you this who created God? Apply ochams razor. The universe is not a factory that someone creates stuff, we apply that to our environment where we see things caused and created by man. We do not see universes made by god. The buck has to stop somewhere, I am content with stopping it at universe till further notice.
@ ususky are you a deist or agnostic? Thanks for helping me articulate my thoughts in your response.

Who reads or watches one piece, zoro vs killer bee without bijuu. Nine swords vs eight swords.

snthesis: everythin i stated is true and can not be flawed

Man made Machines
thus Man is a God unto the Machines

it can only be flawed if the Machines were self created without any assistance from Man
then the Machines can clearly state Man is not its God

hey guys, god is on nairaland. He is omniscient and is debating like an idiot. Well then HE WHO CANNOT BE WRONG. HERE IS A FLAW MAN IS SELF CREATING.
We see men as coming from other men. We have evolution and big bang theory.

snthesis: everythin i stated is true and can not be flawed

Man made Machines
thus Man is a God unto the Machines

it can only be flawed if the Machines were self created without any assistance from Man
then the Machines can clearly state Man is not its God

hey guys, god is on nairaland. He is omniscient and is debating like an idiot. Well then HE WHO CANNOT BE WRONG. HERE IS A FLAW MAN OS SELF CREATING.

jmoore: There are many but let me just call out Michael Faraday, Isaac Newton and James Clerk Maxwell

Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who became one of the greatest scientists of the 19th century.His main discoveries include that of the Magnetic Field, Induction, Diamagnetism and Electrolysis. His work on electricity and magnetism not only revolutionized physics, but led to much of our lifestyles today, which depends on them (including computers and telephone lines and, so, web sites). Faraday was a devoutly Christian member of the Sandemanians, which significantly influenced him and strongly affected the way in which he approached and interpreted nature

Sir Isaac Newton worked in optics, mechanics, and mathematics, Newton was a figure of undisputed genius and innovation. In all his science (including chemistry) he saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less well known is that he was devoutly religious and saw numbers as involved in understanding God's plan for history from the Bible. In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."

Maxwell was a mathematician, philosopher and physicist who lived from 1831-1879. He developed a set of mathmatical formulas that every electrical engineer knows as “Maxwell’s Equations”. His work with electromagnetism is considered one of the greatest works of physics in the 19th century. His deductions about light were groundbreaking as well

All of them were an inspiration to Albert Einstein who also kept a picture of Faraday on his study wall, alongside the picture of Isaac Newton and the photograph of James Clerk Maxwell.

There are things they saw that the atheist can't see, which means that an atheist does not know that he does not know while christians know that they know that they know.

Isaac newton was a deist. He did not beleive in a personal God. Albert einstein was a deist. I beleive they (the others) were products of their time. Appeal to authority fallacy is wrong. You cannot read their minds you do not know their thoughts. Nice word game at the end. My reaction is something like ':/:/:/:x:x:| wait what?' steven hawkings does not beleive, so? Charles Darwin was an atheist. Maxwell and Faraday were not theologians. How do you know his maxwll's church influenced him? If it was naija they would probably say it is a mystery or God did it. I doubt they are as advertised. Btw what is your IQ, mine is 142.

snthesis: smh

go and read on Deep Blue

i gave u a very simple analogy and u chose not to understand- you chose rather to b blind.i put it to you in a logical form associated with wat obtains around earth at this tyme, devoid of believes,religion and yet you still chose not to comprehend.

I am telling you that analogy is flawed. If i say man is poop and god an ass does that make it true,

jmoore: God gave us freewill which is evident as you are questioning his existence right now. He did not create robots.

God have us free will for us to use to obey him or he will roast us forever. He seems to want robots by force anyway.

snthesis: im sorry , ur post/analogy is not logical
do a simple sequence or better yet prove the illogicality of my sequence

okay.
In ur analogy man=god
pc=man
but in rl men are spawned from other men and computers assembled in factories by men. If a computer were sentient, it would know man exists by the fingers on the key board if nothing else. We know God by...um...
2) The reasoning in my post about infnite creators is sound. There is no evidence for a creator in real life, if we postulate that there must be a creator then that creator must have a creator. Direct answer pls. All analogies=cool story bro.

jmoore: not believing in something does not mean it doesn't exist. Moreover God cannot be explained in scientific terms which is the only term that limits atheist.

Most respected scientists also believe in God too!!!!!

I kinda remember an article on the Nsa by a christian site, saying it is godless and atheistic.
Also they were brought up that way and don't want to question the sacred cow(the chrissies i mean). And Einstein was a deist, so was newton. Darwin and Hawkings are irreligious. Besides, there were scientists who did not beleive in God, how that is an argument inany way baffles me.

@snthesis that's nice. Let me do you one better.let man be a seed and God a plant. Or let man be poo and god an ass or let man be a virus and god the host, they are all analogies and uh-the computer is right.
But analgy failure, we see comouters being made, we use computers. Computers are not sentient. Man and computers interact. There is evidence for man around. We do not see universesbeing made, we do ot see men popping into existence, we do not have evidence of man being created. Man is organic computer is not.
Analogy breakdown.

Priest"God will smite you."
King bradley (Wrath)"God will smite me? If after all this he has not smote me yet, is it for you he'll begin the smiting?" FMA manga

mackman: I too follow ....

king bradley and selim are sick homunculi. They got what they deserved

snthesis: Atheism: the theory or belief that God does not exist

halleluyah i got me a believer

That is what is implied here.
Procreate=create(in this context) . Ur point?. If you choose to open that can of worms, i might as well dump it on your head. Who made God? If he is unncreated then that means somethings can be un created making your argument that we need a creator baseless, if he is then we ask who made that cre8or ad infifnitum.

I got 241 instead of my predicted 280. Feh. But, no problem, my dad tells me the snipers are in place for some disproportionate..er well deserved lead retribution.

Image123: @mazaje
You do err out of true ignorance. How can one ask what John 21 has to do with what we're discussing? We are talking about Christ's return. It's real pity if satan blinds you to something so obvious. Here it is again.
"Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23.Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? " (John 21:21-23).
This is clearly talking about Jesus coming again, i wonder why atheists are usually assertive on issues they know next to nothing of.

The last statement was not needed, dont you know some atheists were once christians?
Mark-70 CE
Matthew
Luke
John-110 CE
A forty year gap actually means something when you claim to be writing history. And, how old was John when he penned this?
Muslims can interprete their books like you are doing but people like you will always shoot them down. This passage is meaningless, christian tradition says the disciples were murdered (Though if they existed and had your attitude and buzugees, it would be shocking if they weren't) i.e , they didn't live very long. In this light the passage means that Jesus can preserve john till he comes (in that time period).
BTW have you ever read those messianic "prophecies" objectively? You would find out why Jews don't beleive in Jesus

buzugee: oh there is a second chance for that heathen ea7. a second chance to burn in 1000000000 degree thermonuclear heat. as the lord like to put it ' i will melt you in the midst of the furnace thereof ' ea7 be sizzling in the furnace like bbq suya. i will pass by and drop a coupla onions and tomatoes on yo a-s-s in the furnace

Are you sure you are not twelve...scratch that, i made up my mind not to insult 12 yr olds.
If you accept the new testament then...this is the christian love i have been hearing so much about.
Forget Hitler, christians are nuts. If the apostles were like you, of course their ass-e(s) would have been killed as an effect of smug poisoning.

snthesis: simple there is only one God, and he is the maker of Heaven and the Earth (evrything under, on and above)
I believe cos i'm smart enuf to know that i didnt create myself and if i didnt make myself, it logically means that i definitely have a Maker.

You have now proved the existence of...drumroll...your PARENTS dun.dun.dun.
You are smart enough to realise you can't create yourself but not smart enough to realise you have parents?Lol.
Besides, if you are going there, I do not beleive that there was ever nothing. Either that or an infinite regression of makers.
Oh and you said atheism was a religion. You are right. I'm going back to my sport of not playing football while indulging in my hobby of not collecting stamps.