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somehow:
Bro, why are you picking what to read? did you not read what i wrote? I bow o!

You're saying we should've taken Lokosa to gain experience correct?

Earthquake1:
Santi Carzola had energy as well something Iwobi is lacking and with little due respect to Iwobi, Carzola had a far higher footballing intelligence

Santi had more "energy" than Iwobi? Lol that's hilarious.
Santi is obviously better than Iwobi as a CM but not because of energy.
I've never been a fan of the idea of him playing as a CM as that's the position he was playing when he nearly got cut from Arsenal's academy.
Iwobi is a secondary playmaker...think Hleb and Nasri.
He would be barely manageable as a CM in a 4-3-3 but not in a midfield 2

Arsenal are still interested in Zaha. What would this mean for Iwobi and one of Lacazette/Aubamayeng? I'd personally sell Lacazette.

R2bees:
Looks like Bournemouth have hijacked the deal. nawa o. Southampton must be pissed right now.

They should've gotten Okereke instead.

somehow:
Even with the example I gave?

Btw, why was Lokosa not taken to the world cup? same with the nations cup for exposure at least?

The pool no dey shey?

The man decided to pick a FALSE representation of tthe NPFL in the person of Ezenwa for 3 solid years.

I comot hand for this talk jare.

Lokosa? Lokosa would've started over Nacho and Ighalo?
Make we just die this talk.

Danielnino00:
Oparanozie has joined the #equalpay crew...

This one just dey trendy for the sake of it. #Mumu

Danjuma is moving to Bournemouth

somehow:
Because they are too lazy to do rthat.

The same laziness made them give us Ezenwa from the league for more than 3 years when everyone knew he is not eeven among the best 10 gks in the league.

It's nothing like laziness...the talent pool no dey.
This reminds me of how Italy use to deceive themselves when their talent pool dried up too...any decent talent became the "next totti", "next inzaghi", etc.
Any decent talent in the league will get picked off before you blink.

khiaa:
Why did your friend give his money away to strangers? Was he trying to buy women?

Search me. He apparently did it from the "goodness of his heart".
But hey - it's Las Vegas. Crazy things happen all the time.

khiaa:
I meant that I won money playing the slot machine but I put the money back inside of it trying to win more and I lost it.

Oh. I thought for one second you acted like one guy I knew who shared his winnings with random folks.
SMH you should've left as soon as you won a decent amount. I don't take those kind of risks

khiaa:
You know it's hot. Did you go to the ocean yet? I just got back from a little vacation in Las Vegas, I won but I gave it back. I'm mad at myself.
I did have a good time tho.

You did what?!?!?! .
I haven't been to the beach unfortunately. All I do is stay under the AC whenever possible.
I got invited to Redondo Beach last weekend but I'm honestly not that much of an outdoor person.
Good thing is I've found spots to play football(soccer) once in a while...for free(unlike in NY).
You've got to tell me more about your charitable deeds at Vegas.

khiaa:


That's right, I have no filtering when it comes to some of these goons. How have you been?

Fine thanks. Summer has not been kind to me at all. You?

khiaa:
Ignorant (me) means not knowing but can learn.
Stupidity (you) means not knowing but to dumb to learn.

you have absolutely no chill!! LOL!!

somehow:
You mentioned just Musa, yet said talents was booming them. Who else can you mention during that period? At least we can mention Odey, Lokosa e.t.c of recent..... I am just trying to pick holes in your argument. What we have is a paradigm shift, people no longer have the patience to look inward now that we have a lot of dual citizen players that you do not have to stress much to unearth.

You can't look for what you don't have. There aren't Okochas, Mikels, Yekinis, etc littered in the league that Rohr and other local coaches are/have ignored just because they don't like them.
That's my point. Our best players are abroad - foreign based or not. Simple.

charlesemeka85:
bro there is alot of racism and politics in the english FA. if a white english lad happens to score 15 goals for teams like villa,norwich or shelfield this season he will be hyped to high heavens,next teams like spurs or everton will pounce to snap him up for 50 million pounds then the rest his history. white english players stands better chances in the three lions set up more than sons of immigrants who are black.

tammy have to be exceptional to hold down a starters shirt even when kane retires

Anyhow...I'd welcome him with open arms at the moment. We could do with him right now.
He needs to get sense quick!

LZAA:
Goodjoe is stating facts and u are asking where are the gems
This is the same nonsense germany did after euro 96 and england did after 98 until common sense told them to go and starting scouting proper players rather than relying on big names
Apparently pinnick said nigerian coaches are desperate for rohr to get the sack forgetting that nigerian coaches like keshi,amodu,onigbinde and chukwu all reached the latter stages of AFCON and their teams played better football than this rubbish we watched where the team relied on sheer force of will to win matches
Where is our jose mourinho,pep guardiola or ferguson?
Yeah i thought so...

You keep saying "big names" like these guys fall from heaven.
England had a golden generation during the early 2000s that wasn't utilized properly by the coaches they had. I mean all they had to do to solve the famous "Lampard - Gerrard" dilemma was to play a 4-3-3.
Germany after having a lull in talented players coming through simply invested in grassroots football and reaped the benefits.
England simply changed their way of coaching.
The argument is our best talents are in the academies and if you look at the transfers over the last few years - it proves that this is correct.
What you should be asking is why there isn't a reasonable link with these academies and our league teams??
Yes coaching and poor facilities is part of the problem but I repeat if we had a Mikel replacement lying in the NPFL right now - there is no way that we wouldn't have identified them.
When Ahmed Musa was discovered - did he not go straight to Holland?? Musa was wanted by Ajax but went to Venlo instead.
If we have budding talents everywhere - why aren't we seeing more moves like that of Musa and Taye Taiwo?

charlesemeka85:
you are right but there is chances of a white english boy erupting from no where with atleast 10 goals in the epl this season or next and if that happens tammy will be forgotten by the english fa.

moreover southgate will prefer starting rashford as a striker instead of tammy. england is blessed with young flank players coming up so i see no reason deploying rashford to the flanks only if kane starts. tammy's best bet in international football is with nigeria. with england he will gain few caps but with nigeria the chances of becoming the teams undisputed number 9 is very high but sentiment aside i don't think he will turn back to play for us so he is good as gone

Hmmm you do have a point but it doesn't help that he plays for Chelsea and a legend like Lampard rates him. It would be a miracle if he makes the switch.

sheyishemba:
uhmmm am still a little bit optimistic about this dude

Forget it bro. The guy is good as gone. All he needs is half a decent season.
Let's not forget the euros is next year. If he plays well for Chelsea there's no way he doesn't make the squad.

Marjoribanks:
Tammy is ours!!
Bleep haters!!

This is how he deceived us the other time...I'm not getting my hopes up again.

sheyishemba:
Chelsea Striker Tammy Abraham Seemingly Open To Representing Nigeria
Published: July 30, 2019
If
Tammy Abraham's Instagram bio is anything to go by, the Chelsea striker is still open to representing the Super Eagles after recently adding a Nigeria flag to his profile.
Super Eagles manager Gernot Rohr is believed to be searching for a new number nine following the retirement of Odion Ighalo after the Africa Cup of Nations and the Chelsea Academy product fits the bill.
Nigeria Football Federation president Amaju Pinnick had claimed back in 2017 that Abraham had pledged his international future to Nigeria after meeting with the striker and his representatives in London, only for the player to deny that he was switching allegiance to the three-time African champions.
Though Pinnick had claimed that he had a close relationship with Abraham's father, he was unable to persuade the youngster to play for the national team at the 2018 World Cup.
Two years have now passed since that controversial incident and the 21-year-old has not been cap-tied by the Football Association, meaning the Nigerian Federation are still in the race for his services.
The likes of Harry Kane, Marcus Rashford, Callum Wilson, Danny Welbeck and Raheem Sterling are ahead of Abraham in Gareth Southgate's pecking order of strikers, but that could change if he has a good start to the season.
The England U21 star has scored an impressive 60 goals in 130 games as a professional.

Tammy is gone. His only competition in the long run is Kane. Vardy will soon retire. Sterling and Rashford mostly play out wide.
He plays well with Chelsea and Southgate will invite him easily.

jihday:
let's face the truth, some people on this thread are really delusional

True but that guy's trolling is starting to get boring. It was funny at first but now he's trying too hard..

charlesemeka85:
Newly promoted epl side Norwich rekindle their interest in Nigerian international left back jamilu collins

He can't bench Jamal Lewis

BARAJ92:
Apart from that, most of those Players move aboard after stardom

Correct. The best Nigerian players are overseas. I don't know why anyone would want to argue with it.

Joebie:
Una forget when Oliseh use one homr based sed player bench Mikel.
Im kind of in the middle in this argument. I think when we talk about long term replacement we won’t find such in the domestic league. Players in the league can outshine some of our regulars for one match or two, but give them a run of games and u will see where the quality reality lies. NPFL players need Europe to get polished. the NPFL is too poor to make them better players. Until we improve our league, the situation will not change. I believe there are talents in the rough, if not in the NPFL, In the NNL. Many Domestic league coaches are too lazy to scout and develop players. They are just busy recycling known players

Where is Onobi at the moment?? Look the likes of Siasia and Amodu were not stupid when they said what they did about our league.
These guys have played and coached in the NPFL. Why would they want to bad mouth it??
The quality of the NPFL is not high. As at now - the best bet is getting players from the academy before they play in the league.

LZAA:
You might want to read cryuff's my turn and also listen to pep's interviews where he said cryuff blocked his release from la masia
Iniesta was always going to flourish under lvg

So you're saying we have Pep Guardiolas that haven't flourished because of poor coaching?? I don't believe that one bit.
Like Tbaba123 said - no decent player sticks at the NPFL for more than 2-3 years.
If the league had Okochas, Olisehs, Mikels, etc...they would've been discovered by now or playing for big teams.
This is the 2010s...talents are not hiding.

LZAA:
The quality is there,the coaching is not
If not cryuff and van gaal players like pep,xavi,iniesta and van schip would not have been stars because other coaches hated their physique
Players have to be given the chance before they are judged

The quality is not as high as it was back in the 90s. Oh and on your list - only Xavi was going to get sold because of his physique(still didn't take away from the fact he was talented).
Iniesta and Pep were always valued.

LZAA:
Sorry but i disagree with collins udoh
It's not about the players but the coaches
We just don't have excellent coaches or the structure to produce them(please dont call N.I.S)
Ajax thanks to the cryuff plan implemented after the defeat to madrid in 2010 have become relevant in europe again
Rohr is not the coach to take nigeria forward
QED

Amodu Shuaibu said the same thing Colin Udoh is saying almost a decade ago when we had this same debate of giving home based players a chance.
The quality just isn't there. Rohr's job is to pick the best Nigerian players home/foreign based - not to teach full blown pros the basics.
Can anyone point out a local league player that'd walk in Super Eagles first 11 at the moment?? What local league player would've the AFCON squad that wasn't picked?

tbaba1234:
I have been saying this for years here. I have even been tagged a local league player hater. This article from Colin Udoh is brilliant.

The next Mikel or Ighalo isn't going to come from Nigeria's league

While Cup Final weekend is upon Nigeria, as Kano Pillars go up against Niger Tornadoes to determine who wins the 2019 Aiteo Cup on Sunday, the talk is still on the Super Eagles' Afcon campaign.

Conversation in Nigeria remains centred on the future of coach Gernot Rohr as the team's failure to reach the continental final continues to enrage, but little has been said about the team itself. Specifically, the loss of key personnel.

And therein lies the crux of the matter. The Aiteo final, and the domestic season as a whole, has done little to showcase new talent, so where will Rohr, or the next coach, find players to replace the likes of John Obi Mikel and Odion Ighalo?

The combined retirements of captain Mikel and forward Ighalo have left two huge voids in the team. John Ogu is bound to follow suit soon, and it is possible that, being on the other side of 30, Leon Balogun is not far off. Surely there must be some concern about finding replacements?

Fans and media never seem to let up with telling Super Eagles coaches to pick players from the domestic league, with goalkeeper Ikechukwu Ezenwa the only regular home-based player in the side. But the fact remains that the NPFL has no real talent of international quality, and there is a huge body of evidence to support this.

Two wins in the CAF Champions League (both by Enyimba in 2003 and 2004) are a far cry from other top African nations. The CAF Confederation Cup (including its previous two-competition iterations) offer a slightly better picture, but the wins there came at a time when Nigerian domestic football was on a high and players from local clubs represented the country.

In recent years, performances at continental club competitions have been woeful. Lobi Stars, Nigeria's CAF Champions League representatives last season, travelled to South Africa and were soundly beaten by Mamelodi Sundowns.

It was not just about the result, but the disjointed and predictable play of the Nigerian team that left heads and fists shaking.

Then, CAF's African Nations Championship (CHAN), which offers a barometer of the strength of national teams sans Europe-based players, provides a clear-eyed metric. It is not one that flatters Nigeria.

The Super Eagles B-side failed to qualify for the first two tournaments, and then at the most recent final in 2018, were thrashed 4-0 by Morocco.

They also shipped four goals against rivals Ghana in the regional WAFU Cup of Nations final in 2017, and will hope to do much better this September at the event in Senegal.

Any manner of spin may be put on these results and performances, but the bottom line is that the players are simply not good enough until they move to Europe and have all their accumulated bad habits trained out of them.

On Sunday, Pillars and Tornadoes will square up in the aforementioned Aiteo Cup final. There will be further examples of this lack of formal football education, guaranteed. Anyone even suggesting the national team coach should be there, for anything other than ceremonial reasons, probably needs to rethink some life choices.

At the moment, what the Super Eagles need are two goalkeepers, one right back, one additional centreback and at least two midfielders. None of those who will be on show on Sunday can fill those gaps.

Prime Mikel on the ball was a wonderful sight to behold. Difficult, one might even say impossible, to shake off the ball and could ping passes with the precision of a German-engineered machine. No player in the domestic league comes close. Ighalo did not have the best first touch in the world, but as a cold-blooded goalscoring forward, his numbers speak for him.

The late Stephen Keshi spent over six months in camp with domestic players and ended up taking just six to the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations, so it isn't for lack of effort on the coaches' parts. Of that number, only two - Godfrey Oboabona and Sunday Mba - played significant minutes. A mere six years later, none are currently anywhere near the Super Eagles team sheet.

Rohr - if he stays - or his replacement, are better served scouting for players already in Europe to fill those gaps. At least for now.

But suggesting that Rohr, or whomever the coach may be in the coming months, picks from the teams involved in the Final is a line few are brave, or stupid, enough to venture across.

https://africa.espn.com/football/club/nigeria/657/blog/post/3906752/the-next-mikel-or-ighalo-isnt-going-to-come-from-nigerias-league

Colin Udoh isn't saying anything new. This is obvious to anyone who is an ardent follower of Nigerian football.

TheGoodJoe:
Portugal is just producing quality talents at a large rate. Rafael Leao plays a lot like Jo of Brazil who played for Cska Moscow, Manchester City, Everton and Galasataray.

Wish Osimhen the best.

He reminds me a bit of Welbeck.

Taliban:
I think Rohr is contemplating leaving us. His comments if I stay makes me think that.

He means as long as he's around. The guy speaks English in a weird way...

Earthquake2:
Osimhen is set to replace Lille frontman Rafael Leao

Campos has a very good eye for talent. If he thinks Osimhen is good enough - then I'm convinced.

komekn:
Tell me one players that can do what Chuks does in our current set of players.

[b][/b]Aribo plays almost like the old fashioned enforcer he is similar to Ndidi but drives forward more like Gerar[b][/b]d with a decent shot.

That's why I said he is a two way box to box midfielder. Definitely more comfortable on the ball than Ndidi.
Chuks is an AM that can play as a CM and bring a bit of creativity and physicality to the side.
I don't mind getting both tbh.