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omonnakoda:
What do I say to him ?

Try Unilag, LASU was not set up to cater for such "migrants " . Isoko and Urhobo kids who have grown up in Lagos and whose parents are taxpayers should be catered for and they should be proficient in Yoruba. In future ALL kids who complete secondary education in Lagos must be literate in Yoruba. They are the ones that LASU must prioritise not children of non residents or non taxpayers. Those should try universities where they schooled or Private or federal universities
The truth is that such people and even indigenous Yoruba people are no longer encouraged to learn Yoruba and that is why this is an excellent law.
Jegede Sokoya the TV character was Igbo . He was born in an era when Yoruba education was emphasised.
We need to get back to that

In the UK UNIVERSITY education is free in SCOTTISH UNIVERSITIES for citizens in Scotland if you live there it is not free if you live in England

Those who live,work and pay tax in Lagos cannot have the same entitlement as those who work live and pay tax in Delta state.
With entitlement comes duties and obligations such as............


Learning Yoruba

You didn't acknowledge the fact that we have so many Yorubas schooling in Delta, especially Delsu and Ozoro which are state owned , now imagine us asking those Yoruba students to learn Urhobo before they will be admitted, won't they feel we are imposing our language and culture on them? or should we say Delsu wasn't set up to Carter for their needs?

So what you re implying is that, everybody should go to their state to further their education.. so much for one Nigeria.

mommaj what's the update so far?

deomelllo:
Fact is, you have zero credibility here and your misguided argument is based on your hate, dislike and anti Lagos sentiments.

You think Lagos is a slum, Lagos is over-hyped and even though the topic of discussion in this thread is the new Yoruba Language law, but your first post in this thread was irrelevant and off topic rubbish about dirty Lagos.

The motive behind those comments was the highlight the true state of Nigeria's biggest city, instead of living In self denial, how you translated that into a hate speech beats me, I actually have nothing to proof to you.. believe anything you want to believe.

Besides, of what relevance is your meaningless argument? The people of Lagos via their elected representatives charged to make decisions for the people of Lagos state made the right call, it doesn't have to be right in the eyes of Lagos hating people like you, but it's the right call in the eyes of the people of Lagos and the Lagos electorates.

It's your state, do anything you so wish.. I just said what I feel.

oodualover:
... You have proven that you are a Yoruba hater through your past comments. Just in case your ignorant mind does not know this, Anambra made ibo language course compulsory for every student that gained admission into their state's higher institutions...
Anybody that criticize that bill is a Yoruba hater...

so because I don't agree with this bill automatically makes me a Yoruba hater?, wow.. never knew opposing some else's view automatically makes him a hater. Stop the emotional blackmail, I gave my reasons why I don't support the language bill.

Anambra and Lagos are not the same, let's take this example, the Urhobos/isoko hardly migrate east Ward, instead they tend to settle In western states like ondo, ogun and lagos, now laws like this will somehow affect any urhobo indigene seeking admission into any of Lagos state institution, or how do you explain to a young man in warri who wants to Attend LASU but was told he needed a pass Yoruba in waec, someone who hasn't been taught Yoruba all his life, I clearly understand you want your language and culture preserved, but believe me this isn't funny.

And stop trying to turn this into a tribal ish.. I hold nothing against you.

Sanchez01:
If you ask me, I'd say the law is needed. Beyond the 'we own 95% of Lagos' chant, we should also understand that this is a state with a history, a people and a culture, regardless of whether or not it accommodates others.

More so, the institution here is governed by the state and not the federal government. Probably there is a need to resuscitate the dying consciousness of the Yoruba attitude in many educated folks, which is true and needed, or that it is an act to curb the impunity of a certain people who believe Lagos belong to them just because her people welcomed them with open arms. And as much as we criticise Lagos for this move I'd be pleased to tell you that it is insanely found in the North and South East.

Personally, I see it as an advantage to be bilingual. Although I already am, I believe it would be an opportunity for non Lagosian to deeply root themselves in its tradition.

It is high time owners call the shot. Let them beat the drums of consciousness to the hearing of those who care to hear.

I clearly understand your point, but my issue with the law is that it was too one sided, stuffs like that should be limited to Primary and secondary, not that students even pass Yoruba without expo anyway.

I believe when making judgement we should at all time reason from different angles. I might be wrong on this, but I don't support the lagos state government on this.

What the law means, before you can school in any of our state institution, you must be able to speak and understand Yoruba, this doesn't sound well for me.

deomelllo:
The law is not about who Lagos belongs to, it's about promoting and preserving Yoruba language.


So, Yoruba people should not promote and preserve their language because Lagos State is home to people from other parts of the country?

Where is the sense in that argument?

I didn't say you shouldn't promote your language, but the state government went too far, they should have limited it to primary and secondary school.

my opinion thou.

ODVanguard:
Yinmu. We don hear, thank you very much. But sorry the law will stand so you can quit crying more than the bereaved already. Let it 'hunt' us, or is it your 'hunt'?? In fact, let these 'best of non-yoruba brains' port to the SE/SS over this law sef, that way your wish to see Lagos retrogress and fail will begin to take shape and eventually come to pass. Abi no be so??

So am now wishing to see lagos fail?, because I don't agree with this policy. Dude learn to accept others opinion. am just saying what's on my mind and I have no evil plan towards any body.

It's funny how you suddenly term this SS/SE, must everything be about region?.

EternalTruths:
That law, will help deny Lagos the best of Non Yoruba brains.
My brother, I support the law.

Amaraba.e hope you now understand my point

This will surely come back to hunt them..

Ereolamide:
This is the first I feel I like clobbering you.

Will non passage of the law automatically make Lagos cleaner, are you not aware of those that are boasting to render Lagos into a no man's land, what would you have done if that it was warri or ughelli?

Non passage of the law won't make lagos cleaner, but that matter needs urgent attention, not this, as for the no man's land slang, we all know lagos belongs to Yoruba and nothing can change that.

What makes Lagos home to all but not Anambra, so if Lagos is a home to all it should lose its cultural identity?

Bros you reason am na.

You can't compare Lagos state to Anambra, How many non-igbo can you count in Anambra ?, Lagos is totally different, it's a meeting point of all Nigerians.

You can't force your language on people, Yorubas are good at promoting their cultures, check the Music industry, Almost everybody wants to sing with Yoruba, so your claim about loosing your identity is lame.

Amarabae:
There is nothing silly about the move.
The law is made to ascertain their ownership of Lagos.
I can't drag ownership of a city when I am a non indigene there, it's stupidity.

Everything is silly about the move, If they limited the law to Primary and secondary school I wouldn't have complained, but they went too far, to the extent of Using Yoruba language as a major criteria for gaining admission into any of the state institution, something we haven't heard of since the history of this nation.

This is another tribalist nonsense taken too far, In Lagos almost half the population understand and speaks Yoruba fluently, the language is not endangered, so the law is useless believe me, this is not what the state needs now.

Afam4eva:
When i saw the news, i just didn't bother. Maybe if we continue like this, Nigeria will just implode and explode on it's own.

if this was done in a northern state, everyone will open their dirty mouth and call it Islamization.

Very silly move by the state government.

I read a thread here were some lagosians were complaining about the current air pollution in the state, especially how dirty are being littered everywhere, due to the new policy of the state governor , instead of them to address this issue and other issues bothering the state the only thing they could think of is this law, what a pity.

Like we all know Lagos belongs to Yoruba, what's the essence of the law?, what are they trying to proof?.

For those using IMO and anambra law to justify this, how many non Indigene are in those state compared to lagos, infact Lagos is home to all hence laws such as this should not see the light of the day.

macof:
Culture, festival is not what stands as proof.

What then makes a people if not for culture and tradition?, All eastern Yoruba have similar culture, believes and traditions which can all be traced to Bini, Example of such bini influence can be seen in ilaje and itsekiri cultural practices and beliefs.

Most of Bini festivals are Yoruba in origin and the culture is majorly a shared one.

I actually can't say who copied each other, I don't like involving my self in Yoruba vs Bini Supremacy battle.

The Ikale and Akure/Owo tell it themselves as part of their history so do some Ekiti towns..and I think that is stronger than any festival or culture you might think started from Bini (I have not come across an Ilaje source attesting to being under Bini)

The ilaje Marriage and Burial rites are exactly same with Edo, no doubt they won't agree to be under bini, but all facts still points towards that.

Please be careful with "Lagos". Lagos state is not Lagos town(Eko; on the island)
Putting Lagos on the same list as Ondo and Delta makes me assume you meant Lagos state as a whole

And the issue is still unclear to many outsiders, but the general knowledge in Lagos is that the Awori chiefs kept their sovereignty in return for land which was given to Oba Gabaro to form his Kingdom

I meant to say Eko, not all part of Lagos state was influenced by Bini.

Eko was a small kingdom within a larger Awori political territory which was mainly controlled by the Idejo not the Oba

abdulwastecx:
I am from ondo state, the northern part that share boundary with Edo (akoko Edo) state, we were never under the control of the benis in our history. We have interaction with eghira and Nupe but can't remember any written history about beni influence

What of ikale?
Ilaje?

Those areas were at some point in time controlled by Bini, this can be seen in their cultures, Festival etc.

Lagos , ondo and Delta are extension of Bini culturally.

Konquest:
^^^^^^^^
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@ Efewestern

OK... thanks for your prompt response!
So Omo also means "child" in Urhobo like in
Bini-Edo and Yoruba languages.

Well since Urhobo people are of Edoid ancestry,
I'm not surprised.

When you have the time to respond again, what
do you think may have led to this adoption
of Yoruboid names by a few Urhobos? Was there
some immigration into Urhoboland by a few
Yoruba like the Olukumis did by migrating into Delta North
from Benin, to Esanland and finally into the Olukumi
areas of Aniocha North and parts of Ikaland?



I saw a YouTube video of "waphyguy" an
Urhobo man in the U.S. who did a DNA test with
DNALand. It showed that his paternal
ancestry has links with Esan and
maternal ancestry is connected to Yoruba...
his mum is actually an Itsekiri woman.


The DNA was very accurate because if you
look at it critically, Esans are also Edoid like Binis, it is clear that Urhobos and Isokos
had a strong Esan migrant population
centuries back!

Thanks again!

Most urhobos traces their origin to Benin, but there are some certain kingdoms in urhobo land who traces their origin directly to ile-ife, present day osun state.

The okpe people for example believes they migrated from ile-ife, passed through Benin, before reaching their present destination, some other few towns in urhobo also traces their origin to ife. some Urhobos adopts some Yoruba name due to proximity with some yoruboid group like the itsekiris example, mofe Richard damijo , also those days people tend to name their kids according to situation surrounding the child's birth, for example an urhobo child who was born In agege, Lagos, the Urhobo parents might just decide to name their child Omo-agege meaning Child from agege. And if you check urhobo migration pattern they tend to settle in south western state, so reason you see them adopting Yoruba names.

As for the DNA part, you are actually correct, Urhobo migrated from various Edo kingdom before arriving at their present destination, as for the itsekiris, it's not news that they migrated from Yoruba, they only adopted a bini prince.

oceania100:
Bros, just try and be consistent for once nah. For one thread na you talk sey Urhobo and Yoruba na 5&6, na only you dey talk now sey you no get anything to do with them. Haba, you sabi twist mouth walahi.....

It's obvious u can't comprehend things, I gave reasons why the minorities wanted a separate region, why in the other thread I said urhobos migrate to southwestern state than any region in Nigeria , I also stated some towns dominated by urhobos.

so oga what are you saying?

Konquest:
^^^^^^^
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@ Efewestern
Thanks for your contributions on this thread.

Since you're Urhobo, I'd love you to kindly
clarify what "Omo Agege" means in
your language. Omo Agege is the family
name of a very popular politician of Urhobo
ancestry.

The word "Agege" in Lagos means "We Cut" in Yoruba.

"Ge" means to "Cut." As of 1910s, elephants
still roamed in the thick forests of that part of
Lagos State called Agege. Based on the accounts I read over 20 years ago in some
archival materials, the first Awori-Yoruba
settlers had to "CUT" through the "thick forest"
and this is HOW the name "Agege" evolved.

I look forward to your response.

Omo means child in urhobo, but Agege has no root in urhobo, I can't really place any meaning to the name.. obviously i think it's a Yoruba name adopted by an urhobo family ,which is common anyways.

ezenwajosh:
It's not true....pls why is Governor of delta state ifeanyi okowa...

Has there been a governor or serving government official with YORUBA name in delta state?

A YORUBA man with ayo can reside in delta state or be married to deltan and give their child a YORUBA name

So tell me a delta state man or woman with a YORUBA name as a native name or surname

you know little about Niger Deltans.

In delta we have the edoid language, yoruboid language and the igboid language.

Delta state is an extension of Edo culturally, meaning all ethnic groups were being influenced by Edo. linguistically some groups were influenced by Yoruba, and some by Igbo and some by Edo.

Delta north speaks the igboid language
Delta central speaks the Edoid language
Then some part of Delta state which is occupied by itsekiri speaks the yoruboid language.

The itsekiri language is very much related to ilaje and other eastern Yoruba dialects with about 80% similarities.

apart from Delta north The rest ethnic groups share nothing with igbos, I mean absolutely nothing, they are all related to Edo, so next time don't act like all groups are igbos because someone answers emeka.

Odkosh:
If you say you are saying the truth and you put delta n edo in your so called truth then what you said is a total junk. Delta n edo were part of western region even before the creation of Nigeria. But because to reduce the western power, the divided the western region into western n Midwest. So do your research well. I did not argue that there is no eastern region before the war, there is, but not with delta n edo.

The Midwestern region was created due to the injustice melted on the minorities. they needed a region they can call there's.

The urhobos were greatly marginalized during the western regional government, I wont support any unholy union with any major ethnic group.

am glad the minorities got their own identity.

ezenwajosh:
And someone from delta answers Emeka... Do u answer Emeka in YORUBA land

someone from delta also answer Ayo, olu, waje , mofe, damijo etc do they sound Igbo to you ? stop trying to igbonize every group in the Delta, there are so many unique people who share nothing in common with any of the three major ethnic group in Nigeria. the minorities can speak for themselves, and they are okay with the Niger Delta or South South tag.

Afam4eva:
These Warri people are overestimating their importance. Do they think Efe won because it was warri people that supported him? He won because Nigerians supported him.

Warri is a brand, The name alone brings respect to whosoever comes from there, it's not about population, Don't be surprise most igbos and yorubas are wishing they are from warri.

Efe didn't have any warri blood in him, if u see area u go know, even this k brule doesn't look like someone who has ever been to warri. them just wan use our name blow.

This Bbnaija show is rubbish thou.

some comments here thou, Lol.. ..

I see you interchanging Itsekiri with Isekirii, I thought I read somewhere were some itsekiris where arguing that ÌŞĘKÍRIÌ is a Yoruba spelling for itsekiri and it is not accepted.

Don't get me wrong, am not trying to derail the thread, just want some clarification on this, also is omolubi same as omoluabi? cc: onuwaje

Lalasticlala
seun
mynd44

push to front page.

coolebux:
If I hear anybody hyping Warri people again
So those militants cannot cut these uncircumcised illiterates to size

Ughelli is not part of warri, thou all are urhobo land, there are some urhobo subgroup in warri you don't mess with, examples are the uvwie people, they re regarded as one of the most brutal people of all urhobos.

Warri is a major city to both the urhobos and itsekiris and no herbsmem dare mess things up, they will be dealt with.

What of our native food.. there is a food in urhobo that u cook in 2 minutes. the name of the soup is E'ri'bo tor'.

Very delicious.

babyfaceafrica you will find this page useful on your project, you can contact the admin if you re lost .

https://mobile./1607567362824489?refid=18&__tn__=C-R

babyfaceafrica:
it is actually a masters project I want to embark on...I am a linguist.. Therefore I will Like my primary source to be human.. I can then use the videos as secondary sources

If you re In SS you can visit any of those itsekiri community, they will be glad to help you out.

if you re in SW you can go to ondo, ilaje to be precise, gather some info there, they share same structure and grammar with itsekiri.

i would advice you come to Delta.

babyfaceafrica:
Looking for someone who is very proficient in ishekiri language.. I want to do a project on the grammar of the language.. Who can help?

Cc: onuwaje.

there re several videos online on how to speak the itsekiri language, the language grammar is similar to ilaje and ikale.

nwabobo:
I didn't see anywhere the Innoson/GTB crisis was turned to Igbo vs Yoruba by the Igbo. The campaign to close accounts with GTB wasn't a call to close accounts with Yoruba banks. Some who closed accounts with GTB moved their accounts to Stanbic, Skye, First bank and some other largely Yoruba banks.

It was Igbo vs GTB and not Igbo vs Yoruba.

here they go again.. so you mean all the e-war that we read online about igbos insulting yorubas are all lies?, oshare behave.

we all saw what one woman girl called ****bae was was doing on very thread related to innoson and gtb saga.

we all saw everything.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6655857_salbride_jpeg5523369ef230cfdb8f8e957f18a69a25

Is this work complete?..

Brightgem:
Hi my online mentor. Looolz! I sight you. We need to chat sef, let me not spill everything on this nairaland.

lol.. okay I will be expecting your message, the last time I asked of my New year chicken you didn't respond.

Is that how you use to do.

no mind me jawe.

@Brightgem nice work you got here.

Kog45:
Ezenwa is good but making saves after saves against Cameroon in Yaounde is a lie.I know you like him cos your comments since Ajiboye step in for injured Ezenwa has been negatives and I know you wished the team bad yesterday just cos of Ajiboye.

I don't know your problem with him but am guessing the same problem we always encounter in nairaland politics thread which you know but Ajiboye and Ezenwa are Nigerian for God sake.

Pls try and check Ajiboye's rating despite conceded four goals,he was rated 7/10 this is to tell you the guy is good,26 shots 12 on targets and four goals,pls tell me how many keepers that can survive it even Enyeama cannot talk less of Ezenwa.

Pls talk football without sentiment and let us have healthy discussion.

Respect to the two keepers Ezenwa and Ajiboye for their heroics displayed against Angola and Sudan,what they need is encouragement not pull it down syndrome.

you also noticed the ethnic bigotry in that guys comments, I don't know why he hates Ajiboye so much, the defence was so porous, there was nothing he could have done.