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When we tell them that you need igbos votes before you can win any election in Lag they call u names, Here is one clear example, 2019 is probably around the corner and Mr ambode is trying to Garner igbos votes, that's y he is forming brotherhood.

. Na joke I they o

I love the accommodating spirit of the yorubas.

urahara:
What does omoba mean?

Omo = Child
Oba = King
Omoba = Son of king.
These are common yoruboid words we come across daily.

about time we stop demonizing our traditional religious beliefs, never knew Ikenwoli was once addressed as Omoba.


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rossyc:
When Ezenwa left the pitch on the last match I knew it was over, this ajoboye no follow, useless goal keeper.

the defense was so porous.. there was nothing he could have done to save those goals.

Weak players..

very foolish defense , midfield is quite open.. ball control zero.
what a team.

ScorpioMoon:
[s] 70 percent of Nigerians have HIV/aids and other deadly diseases. That's why you like USA ,and that's why no Nigerian who leaves ever goes back . [/s]

Don't come to a Nigerian forum to insult us, How did you arrive at this your erroneous claims?, So you mean 7 out of 10 Nigerians are Living with HIv/Aids and other deadly diseases?.

It's Official, Fulani Herbsmen cum terrorist, stay clear of Urhobo land and Delta state at large.

https://cdn.punchng.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/07111237/Senator-Omo-Agege.fw_.png

The member representing Delta Central at the National Assembly , Senator Ovie Omo- Agege of the All Progressives Congress , has rejected the proposed establishment of cattle colonies across the country , saying that the Urhobo ethnic nationality in the Niger Delta are strongly against the move.

Rising from consultations with Urhobo leaders across the country , Omo - Agege urged the Federal Government to exclude Urhobo communities , particularly in Delta Central in the arrangement . According to him , no community is ready to offer their land for such a purpose after their residents have been killed and their farmlands destroyed by suspected Fulani herdsmen in the past.

In a statement made available to our correspondent on Friday in Effurun , the senator noted that the establishment of the cattle colonies would not end the incessant clashes between marauding Fulani herdsmen and local farmers in the country .

He said , “Since the announcement by the Minister of Agriculture and Rural Development, Chief Audu Ogbeh , that cattle colonies would be established across our country for herdsmen to curb the increasing cases of clashes between farmers and herdsmen in the country , I have met with various leaders, stakeholders and constituents in Delta Central to discuss this complex and controversial topic .

“Those discussions have revealed to me that the majority of the Urhobo people are strongly opposed to cattle colonies on their land. No one wants it and no community is ready to give its land to those who have killed their people and raped their wives .”

https://punchng.com/urhobo-have-no-land-for-cattle-colony-omo-agege/

NgeneUkwenu:
Don't worry Mr. President... 95% of the hate speech Are from one section of the country and the two Newspapers houses they own...The election loss of the 2015 is too painful for them to move on....

They think by cowardly promoting hate speech, it will help bring down your govt..without knowing that when the war they are stoking starts...they would be the one to bear the pains and anguish and not you...

God has Made you the president... And You shall Remain There Till 2023 To The Glory Of God...

Anybody who doesn't like it, is free to commit Suicide Like Late Nnamdi Idiotu KANU...

isn't it funny you tagged every body who don't support the current killing being done in some part of this country as ipob?, Are you really happy with the way the country is being run by Buhari who we thought was going to deliver? , what stop buhari from sending military to the affected areas?,

Madam/sir pls hide your face in shame, let reasonable people comment, your level of bigotry is alarming.

Orue' somebody.

Nonaira1:
[s] Op did you just realize that today?

You do realize, despite the niggerians claim, Nigeria has the WEAKEST military in Africa.

... [/s]

Not every time you make silly comments, Be reasonable for once and don't let emotions/bigotry becloud your sense of reasoning.

Nigeria don't have one of the weakest military in Africa, we only have a foolish president who out of his hatred for a group of people refuses to take any sound actions regarding this Cameroonians, the military can't just act without any command from the clueless president.

There are times to be reasonable, now is not the time to throw tantrums.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:
That you ask such a question shows you are not intellectually equipped to understand basics Geopolitics. Why on earth will Nigerian authorities support a secessionist enterprise at their eastern border ? Once you have looked at yourslef in a mirror and replied to that You should also know that Cameroon and Nigeria have extradition treaties going back to the 60’s actually 1963 . Had Nigerian not given them up Cameroon would have kept crossing in order to kidnap them by ourselves like we did with the others . but do you want us in Abuja I don’t think. So stop asking low level thinker question, unlike in your fairy tales both governments and countries aware very close and enjoy good relations don’t try to mess and strain them . Cameroon first Nigeria African partner , close to 2000km2 of shared border ,trust me you don’t want to antagonize us and have us as your enemies . . Furthermore the coalition against Boko Haram showed that Cameroon has a bigger voice and more clouds than Nigeria in the sub region .

I can see you are a Cameroonian, @ Bolded so you think you can come with your weak military to take some separatists in Abuja without being dealt with by our force?

Oh dreamer, had Nigeria kept those Ambazonian separatists there is nothing you or your wack nation would have done, am even more surprise you know nothing about International borders, you have no right whatsoever to cross our borders to arrest anybody, it's a violation of our territorial integrities.

We only lack poor leadership In this part of the world, our Military is still very much okay, ready to weep your silly ass, and stop using Biafra to gain cheap point, I myself am pro Nigerian from the south southern part of Nigeria, and I dare say the Issue of Biafra or IPod is as a result of the injustice being done to some group of people.

Buhari is a big failure, a disgrace to the Presidential seat of the Federal republic of Nigeria.

How on earth will a country like Cameroon invade our land without the military taking any actions, is it because the country main source of income is not being threatened? (Niger Delta)

SSGN:
This is beyond sad, and to think Atiku and Buhari are in the running for election. Are we condemned to be ruled by the same old recycled class of incompetent illiterate leaders ? They are running the country to the ground. I have never been this embarrassment. It this a country?

@bolded BTW Buhari and Atiku I don't know who is more clueless, it's a pity that we don't have good leader In this part of the world, why on earth will the Nigeria government release Ambazonian separatists to the Cameroonian government?

We should have been neutral on this.

robosky02:
lets go there....

omo its wahala for ezenwa ohhh

if not for mago mago I doubt if Ezenwa can bench Ajiboye.
the guy is supper good.

Chiedu4Trump:
Na b4 dem use propaganda to divide the SE & SS.

GEJ counted us as family.
Dokubo knows we back him.

Briggs is very close to Kanu.

The sooner we get our stuff together the better.

This is actually not about propaganda, it's actually impossible to unite all part of SS with SE, like I stated earlier there re some Minorities who are okay with igbos but there are still some who really don't like the igbos.

I wouldn't like to mention tribe here not to derail the thread, but issues like this can be resolved through mutual understanding and respecting each others strengths and weaknesses.

Unfortunately I don't see this happening, no tribe will want to be with a group who feels they are better than them, this is the Genesis of all the division.

hurumnanya:
I don't know why every region hates Igbo's so much, but they are actually the best neighbours you can have. They don't fight you for your land, they just offer you more than you can refuse. They don't rape your women, they simply give them a nice treat. Until they understand that Igbo's are not their problems they will not have true freedom.

Every region don't hate igbos, There's no mutual understanding between Igbos, Yoruba and other minorities group in Southern Nigeria.

the Yoruba's sees the igbos as people who are domineering, hence they started their unwanted attack, igbos on the other hand thinks the Yoruba's are jealous of their progress and they don't want them to lead, Reason you see them arguing every blessed day.

As for the Niger Delta minorities, we have those who align with Ndigo and see them as brothers, but there re some who don't really like the igbos, due to the reason stated above.

Issues like this can be resolved through understanding each persons strengths and weaknesses, I really don't know much about Northern tribes.

Gboom:
It is so pathetic these days to see comments especially from this forum calling Nigeria a shithole country. Why?
Is it because Donald Trump said some African Countries are shitholes and you now because of hatred for present government adopt the name for Nigeria? Note Trump never called Nigeria a shithole and he was even cautioned by well meaning Americans.
If you calling Nigeria a shithole, your life in Nigeria will be full of shit all over because of this lamentation of yours.

it's just so annoying, I feel insulted with that word, Nigeria may be bad, but Nigeria or Africa is not a shithole.

I personally have stopped responding to people who refers to their home Country as shithole, no matter how old they are I treat them like bitter Kids.

No responsible Nigerian will use such word on his country or Continent.

CSTR2:
Because of a CHAN tourbnament for home based players . A second half game for that matter.

It is Alright.

Ezenwa would be out in the final.

I am hoping to see your Ajiboye against the technical moroccans.

Your comment is one sided.

The guy did wonders today, Far greater than any save made by Ezenwa, I don't even know how e got to our team, NFF and their mago mago.

iPopAlomo:
Nepotism!!!

Ezenwa should be replaced, This guy is damn good, UP AJIBOYE.
NFF should make him our No 1 keeper.

mommaJ:
yes o,hope and faith is all i v got left now...Any1 who has gone thru or is going through this experience will agree...it just takes that one person to see this and that Miracle becomes his(our) reality

I understand, I myself have pass through similar situations, but there is light at the end of the tunnel. Keep hoping and never stop believing.

You can contact that guy through Nairaland email feature, if he sees your mail he will respond.. before I forget, how is your husband doing? hope he is doing great

VeniJu:
Chat me up on whatsapp.

God bless.
cc: mommaj another one for you.

historyworld031:
Read what I have already written.
The story has comes with no proof, therefor it has already countered itself.
Except from that, the invasion of the Benin Kingdom by britain was due to the fact that the Oba of Benin controled all the trade in the region.
Meaning that all took orders from ...

So many flaws in the op, like what he wrote about the urhobos are entirely false, but that's not the reason I brought it here, this was actually my first time of hearing the itsekiris conquered some part of Epe in Lagos. wanted to know more.

As for the benin Kingdom let's just say I agree with whatever you say.

historyworld031:
Nope, no atome of truth, just some conspiracy theory.
America has fake news while we have fake history.
The common denominator is that they both originate from conspiracy theorists.

You can't just conclude that this is fake, do you know the itsekiri history more than the itsekiris?, A point was raised, counter the point, if you can't counter it then don't just conclude that everything written is fake .

historyworld031:
So your source is wikipedia ?
How old are you ?
My generation wrote wikipedia and we are smart enough to never use it as source.
I myself, I have written a dozen wikipedia pages.
Conclusion, you are a kid.
Warri was a vassal state of Benin Kingdom which is why your itsikeri brothers took the portuguese to their overlord: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
The guy who wrote your wikipedia page just wrote a story which fits his ethnic chauvinism.

My post has nothing to do with my age, this is a public forum and I brought this topic out for matured minds to discuss. am a lover of history.

But the way you just jump into conclusion without reasoning the points raised by the young man says a lot about you.

@ bolded, no doubt Benin Influenced almost all tribes from Lagos to ondo, to Delta, to Anambra, and even to far away Rivers, but that doesn't mean those places where under the control of the Oba of benin.

historyworld031:
Have you redefined proof to mean something else ?
My friend you want to tell me that in 2018 a man magically discovers things which happened several hundred years ago and which weren't written down in the period in which they happened.
Did the itsikeri guy do some time travel ?
Look this is a work of fiction and stop your nonsense of telling me to "go and ask the Epe people if they weren't conquered by itsikeri". They have no access to your friends time machine.
And for your information the title Oba is 100% Edo, the yoruba copied it.
Also the ooni of ife was a nobody before the british colonial rule. The british empowered him in order to use him as their puppet.
In precolonial days who gave a F**k about the ooni of ife ?

Relax, I don't have time to argue about who is more influential between your oba and oni, or how the oba title came about.

I Saw a post of how the itsekiris conquered far away Region, and I decided to share, If you think the op is Lying you can also explain how the ilajes got to Lagos, how come Epe are celebrating Itsekiri masquerades, My point is that there's an atom of truth in this post.

historyworld031:
Weak ? You dey craze ? Benin Kingdom fought against the british empire in the 19th century.
Benin Kingdom gave the british the hardest fight they met in the region.
It is well known that warri was a vassal state to the Benin Kingdom.

You don't need to throw insult to pass your point, At the end of the 18th century the Benin Kingdom was no longer powerful, I will trash this later.

As for your other claim, Benin kingdom do not extend to warri, the itsekiris only pay respect to The Benin Throne. The iwerre was an autonomous region, and with the help of the Portuguese they were able to break free of any Benin influence and expanded their territory.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Warri

onuwaje:
I have heard about it but don't see it as what holds water

not everytime we come across articles such as this, the guy made some valid points.

Scientific parameters to confirm this fact These Epe people see themselves as Isekiri and Ilaje. They still use Isekiri in celebrating their masquerades in the Epe area. Their language is more akin to Isekiri than any other language.

so which part you don't believe, the part that Lagos was never a kingdom or the part itsekiri conquered some part of Lagos.

historyworld031:
This is pure science fiction.
Itsekiri themselves were part of the Benin Kingdom.

Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

in a bid to champion your Benin Supremacy over others, you denied the existence of other kingdom, no doubt the Benin had influence over Others, from Lagos to Delta to even anambra, but at the end of the 18th century the Benin kingdom was already weak.

Also the itsekiri kingdom was recognize by everyone, even the British.

historyworld031:
And you "agree" with the first part because ? You saw evidence ?
The person who wrote this was writing a pro-yoruba pro-itsekeri work of fiction.
None of this ever happened.

How re you sure non of them happened?, because it didn't suit your own narrative?, The person who wrote this is an itsekiri man, and you can see how be broke everything down. Agreed he over exaggerated the strength of his people, and also the part where he said Urhobo was under itsekiri tutelage was never true. The urhobos already existed before the itsekiri was founded.

I concur with the Oba title, only top monarch like oba of Benin, oni of ife etc can be called oba, the rest are olu.

The op also gave some proof, you can ask the epe people of Lagos if they weren't conquered by the itsekiris.

georjay:
I'm coming

its long o, hope u have patience.

cc: onuwaje
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Just stumbled on this piece, written by Oritseweyinmi Oghanrandukun St Ifa . So much we never knew about Lagos.

IN THE BEGINNING

Some time far forgotten in human memory, the founder of Lagos, Ogunfuminire left Ife-Oodaye to settle by the Coast. The place he settled is today called Lagos or Eko. Eko was a pure Yoruba territory (Johnson history of the Yoruba; Ife cradle of the Yoruba Race; the Ifa Oracle System and many other historians and traditionalists know about this story. Wande Abimbola, Obayemi Ade and a host of Yoruba historians know about this.

ABUSE OF THE WORD OBA IN PRESENT YORUBA SOCIOLOGY AND THE ARROGANCE OF ‘OBA” OF LAGOS

Oba of Lagos is not an Oba and he knows it. He is an Olu. What is the difference? Obas are the first generation kings who are direct descendants of Oduduwa. They are only sixteen who can claim to be Obas – the Oonirisa – the Alaiyeluwa, who alone is the soul of Oodua Oramfe; the Alafin of Oyo, the Olu Iwo of Iwo etc.

Oba of Lagos is an Olu. Who is an Olu? The Olus are the second generation kingdoms in Yoruba land. The first sixteen Obas gave birth to the Olus. For example, the Oba of Lagos dynasty was birthed by the Oba of Benin who was a first generation Yoruba king, although he is ruling over non-Yoruba Edo people. Oba of Lagos came into being in 1601 during the reign of Oba Orogbua of Benin (Egharevba 1948), before then, the descendants of Ogunfuminire were ruling.

Olu of Warri is an Olu; his dynasty was birthed in 1480AD during the reign of Oba Olua of Benin, before then the Okotumu people were ruling(Pessu 2013). Of the sixteen children, these are the most senior – Olowu of Owu, Alaketu of Ketu, the king of Orangun,Onisabe of Sabe, Onipopo of Popo, Alaafin of Oyo, Oba of Benin.

These kings occupy a territory from Nigeria. Benin, and Togo, Some kings who are not Yoruba at all qualify to be called Olu. Some of these are – Obi of Onitsha, son of Oba of Benin, Obi of Aboh, son of Oba of Benin, the king of Accra who came from Isekiri . Since these kings are descended from Oba of Benin they are technically Olus, just like the Oba of Lagos.

LAGOS WAS NEVER A KINGDOM
Yes, you heard me well, Lagos was never a kingdom. A kingdom is governed by a king who before 1914 was able to conquer others and put them under him. Lagos was too weak to achieve that feat, rather it was colonized by Bini and later Isekiri, whence they had the Eyo(Awankere) masquerade.

ISEKIRI FIRST CONQUERORS OF THE LAGOS AREA

Contrary to popular beliefs, the Bini were not the first colonialist in the Lagos areas, the Isekiri were. In 1520 Olu Irame rose as a power and with help of Portuguese weapons, he was able to chase Olagwe and Amapotu to the Epe area in Lagos.

He effectively took control of those areas. The Ilaje intelligence report testifies to this fact. ( THE BENIN FACTOR IN THE HISTORY OF LAGOS Written by R.O. AJETUMOBI Ph.D; Roth 1903 etc). Scientific parameters to confirm this fact These Epe people see themselves as Isekiri and Ilaje. Olagwe was at Ode-Isekiri and was driven by Olu Irame – the lion king. They still use Isekiri in celebrating their masquerades in the Epe area. Their language is more akin to Isekiri than any other language.


BINI CONQUEST – 1601

The Bini took over Isale-Eko from the Awori(Aunis in Portuguese document) in 1601. Take note that the Bini and the Isekiri did not conquer the same area. While the Isekiri concentrate in the Epe axis, the Bini took over Lagos (Eko)

1786 – THE WAR TO END ALL WARS

1786 was the big war of the coastal states. The Oba of Benin, jealous of the fort built by the French in Ugborodo, decided to beg the Awori(Aunis) (Ifediora 1999; Sagay undated, Captain Landolphe 1796)to help them fight the Isekiri. In that same period, the French and the British had a war back home (Ian Morris 2010). Isekiri defeated the Bini-Lagos-British coalition and sold the chiefs of Lagos as slaves in Calabar.

REASONS WHY ISEKIRI WON THE WAR

Isekiri had more experience in maritime war. They had subdued the Ijaws of Kabo, Kumbo, Mehin and Tarakiri in a war of the Niger Delta, between 1730-1770). It was a series of wars which the Isekiri were progressively winning in order to control the trade of the Niger River. The area stretches from Bomadi in Delta state to very near Yenagoa(an Epie Edoid speaking town in Bayelsa). It was in these series of wars that Isekiri became masters of the western and central Niger Delta, having boundaries with Nembe in Bayelsa state, at the River Pennington (Talbot 1903also reported in Burton,). See Moore 1936, Alagoa 1972, Honsbira and St.Ifa 2011 for more information about the wars of the Niger delta.

Bini as a power was much weakened in the 18 th century when these wars were taking place. Isekiri had annexed the western Niger delta from Bini control. Tribes like Urhobo – Okpe – Isoko were under Isekiri tutelage. It was during this period that the Bini adopted primogeniture as a system of government. Isekiri and Aboh kings that left Benin before this era do not practice primogeniture. It was during these series of wars for over 40 years that Oguni Atogbuwa was born; who became the founder of Aghalokpe in 1770.

It was during these wars and as a result of these wars that western Urhobo people ran from the Erhowa area of the river Niger to stay in their present habitat. These people are Okpe, Uvwie etc. Oghara, Agbassa and Jesse came later in 1850(Miller Intelligence Report) Isekiri had silenced Aboh in the western Niger Delta and become the major power during the time of Olu Irame, 1520 (Moore 1936). But the Aboh are trying to show they were the winners of the war. Hear them “They also constitute the ruling houses in Aboh up to this day. They are Ojugbeli, Ogwezi, Ossai and Ozegbe. The kings of Aboh, unlike the tradition in Benin, retain their names after ascending the throne. Succession to the throne also does not follow the rule of primogeniture.

During the immigration movement from Benin to the present day Aboh, two major oppositions were encountered during the course of establishing the town. First was the Iwele people who were of the Itsekiri stock and the Akarais. After overcoming the challenge of opposition through fierce battles, the Benin immigrants took possession of the land, blessed with the knowledge of Benin architecture, they built Benin-like houses and constructed roads in the new town”.( https://osborg./2015/05/29/aboh/ ). But Isekiri won the war because the Isekiri are the owners of the Osimiri juju, at Idumu Iwele) in Aboh. A defeated people cannot establish a religion for their victors.

Isekiri acquired Portuguese weapon which was decisive in their defeat of their neighbours(Ilaje intelligence report Ekeh 2008, etc)

CONCLUSION

Oba of Lagos is an Olu. Some Olus rose to overcome some Obas like Olu Erejuwa who defeated the Bini-Awori-British coalition in 1786, using the mastery of Iyatsere Okorodudu, and Ologbosere Eyinmisan. The present prominence the Oba of Lagos is enjoying is due to the fact that Lagos was the capital of Nigeria, and later the commercial nerve centre of Nigeria. Lagos was never a kingdom the Olu of Lagos never captured anyone in history not even people of his closest vicinity. Lagos was just a Bini outpost and from 1786 an Isekiri outpost. It was not progressive until it was made a headquarter in 1914

http://globalpeacearithmetic..co.ke/2017/05/oba-of-lagos-olu-not-oba-yoruba-state.html?m=1

Sapiosexuality:
I don't understand this country.

Why not spread the wealth rather than make Lagos the only commercial viable state?

Why not open up the entire country for business for opening up ports in other States to full capacity?

I don't mean that thing happening in PH port where you'd need x5 of the money clearing in Lagos will cost you.

Open the entire country for business and watch unemployment and poverty reduced to the lowest value.

We have the Apapa Ports, Tincan Ports, the Badagry Port is on, and now we are on Lekki Sea Port. Isn't this stupidity?

As low as the UK is, there are about 40 Ports evenly distributed but here it's all Lagos and some mediocre system on the other ports.

We can't grow like this. We don't need such clueless economic plan to grow. Spread the ports and open up the country for business.

Sw re not sincere when it comes to matters like this, why have all functional port in one state?, what happens to Ondo, Delta, bayelsa, rivers?

Greed is The no 1 problem.