Penguin2:

Like I said before, I’m not anti-industrialization- never.

The impression I’m trying to correct is that it is wrong to downplay the contributions of SMEs and general commerce to the economy while seemingly extolling industries as what is needed.

I understand your allusion to the fall of Sapele due to the exit of industries, but you need to understand that, like Warri, the fall of Sapele can be attributed to much more factors than the exit of industries. What happened to Sapele and Warri was the advent of militancy by the indigenes where they started kidnapping expatriates for ransom which ended up snowballing into full blown insecurity in the Niger Delta.

So, it is half truth to attribute the fall of Sapele, and Warri, to just exit of industries. Had the city remained safe, the SMEs would have remained. And once the SMEs are there, new industries will move in. That’s what happens with Lagos.

Do you know how many industries have left Lagos since the 1980s? The likes of Michelin Tyres and co, but the city remained vibrant because of thriving commerce. In the end, new industries sprang up.

Take a look at the economy of the Southeast for instance. And let’s take Aba and Onitsha in particular. How many large corporations do you know in Onitsha and Aba, but yet the two cities are commercial nerve centers raking in billions on daily and sustaining the economies of their state.

Militancy and all that are recent events. Less than 20 years. Sapele started its decline in the 80's. Back then, everywhere was pretty safe and militancy was alien to the people.

The Timber industry was the lifeline of the city and there's no way SMEs alone could have kept the town flourishing. Warri would have gone exactly the Sapele way, but thank God for the oil industry that keeps servicing the city.

Lagos can't be compared to Sapele. Lagos had several industries and hosts big cooperations. Of course Michelin leaving won't entirely lead to the collapse of the city, but imagine if those industries were to leave at the same time, do you think SMEs alone to sustain its buzz? Has Kano recovered from the fall of their textile industries?

There is no doubt that commerce has really impacted positively in the lives of many South easterners in cities like Onitsha, Aba etc, but a well balanced blend of Industries and SMEs will do a lot in decreasing poverty and unemployment. This is my argument. If we industrialize, more SMEs will spring up. A win win for us all.

Penguin2:

You spoke with sense, and I appreciate it. You are the kind of people I like to have a conversation with.

But taking to your points, how many industries have packed up from Nigeria since Tinubu took power but our economy is still moving?

Now, do you think Nigerian economy would have remained the same if it were millions of SMEs that were taken out of business?

I’m not saying we don’t need the industries and large corporations, my point is that between them and SMEs, a country needs SMEs more.

Believe me, SMEs are also feeling the impact of the economy. Many are struggling and I'd be a fool to dismiss their contributions to the economy of the state but overall, they do not contribute as much as industries, especially that of the magnitude of Dangote Refinery.

Most SMEs don't not pay the minimum wage and their employees roster is usually slim. The economy will fair better if we have a balance. Not SMEs springing everywhere and not much industries and sectors to absorb in people. How can SMEs flourish when they purchasing power of the people are low to begin with ?

Let me give you a practical example. Sapele was one of the biggest city in Bendel during the 60's through the 80's. The Timber industry then was booming and lots of people were gainfully employed. After the industry collapsed, the city immediately fell. This was despite the many SMEs that sprang up during its booming period. The SMEs couldn't do anything to keep alive the once vibrant economy, because to an extent, SMEs so much rely on the purchasing power of the people. Also, the issue of Tax is not so straightforward with SMEs as it is with established industries but that is a discussion for another day.

If we don't encourage industries and industrialize, we would remain poor and no amount of SMEs will change that reality.

Penguin2:
Don’t underestimate the power of fools in large numbers.

The above is a classic maxim that sounds like a cliché but it’s ever potent, and will remain potent forever.

The reason a character like Reno Omokri blocks people with the intellectual and rational capacity to question the trashes he consistently posts on X, is so he would be left with large flock of brainless followers who would swallow every bunkum he throws at them as true.

In keeping with the above, yesterday, he claimed that Dangote controls 21% of Lagos economy but yet he’s so humble but Igbos will always claim they built Lagos and are pompous.

I was not surprised to go through the comment section to see intellectual deficient minions praising what he wrote without questioning his submission to ascertain the truth value of that assertion.

Well, that’s what I’m here to do.

Let’s question what Reno Omokri said about Dangote controlling 21% of Lagos economy.

And the first question is, does Dangote control 21% of Lagos economy?

What drives the economy of a state or country? Is it large corporations or MSMEs?

Lagos is a city with a population of nearly 22million people. What percentage of this population does Dangote employ?

How much does Dangote pay in taxes to Lagos Government, and how much does Lagos Govt generate from markets like Alaba, ASPAMDA, Computer Village, etc?

If Dangote controls 21% of Lagos economy, what percentage of California’s economy does Apple and Google control since the two companies are both headquartered in California and they are both more valuable than Dangote by far?

What percentage of Texas’ economy does Tesla control since Tesla is headquartered in Texas and is equally more valuable than Dangote by far?

So, you see, a lot of foolishness sound like wisdom/knowledge to an unthinking mind but don’t let it deceive you.

What Reno Omokri said is absolute foolishness, falsehood and outright distortion of facts.

Lagos is not Lagos because of Dangote company or because of the large corporations headquartered therein.

If there’s any group that forms the engine room of Lagos economy, it’s the Medium, Micro and Small Scale Businesses. This category employs the highest number of Lagosians, and this category generates the most money for Lagos.

Large corporations do not build economies.

Infrastructure, as much as it adds to ease of doing business, does not build economy like some people claimed under Buhari.

So, next time, before you celebrate any trash from Reno Omokri, subject it through logical and rational dissection to know if the statement is truly reasonable.

Penguin is a bird of reason.

21% is exaggeration. No body or group of people controls that much in a diverse economy like Lagos.

But let's face it, Dangote Refinery is X100 important to an economy than Alaba and others notable market in the state. The adverse effect of that refinery existing in that space alone will be so enormous that having tens of Alaba markets in a given location won't make any difference.

I understand your point of SME, but that alone can't drive the economy of a state or take us out of poverty. No nation has broken out of poverty by focusing on SMEs alone, we already have SMEs scattered in every corners of the country and yet Nigerians everywhere are still poor. Industries drive the economy to greater heights and attracts far more developments.

What Dangote Refinery will do to Lagos economy will be so enormous and sincerely, I wish such gigantic project was located elsewhere. Maybe somewhere in the Delta because we desire such growth.

Nigeria having 5 more of such gigantic industries will not only change our fate forever, but set us on a steady path. Imagine us having an Industry that produces steel. We have the local market and need for that.

SMEs don't bring in FX, instead it depletes our FX, resulting in weaker currencies. Industries conserve FX and attracts more FX to the economy, thereby strengthening our currency and economy. Both are important, but Industries are what Africans need more.

Fejoku:

Yes they were. The white people traded with the Itsekiris even before the Benin people. Itsekiris are arguably the first Nigerians that had contact with Europeans. The first church built in Nigeria was built in Warri among the Itsekiris. Urhobos are inland and didn't have contact with Europeans until much more later.
Urhobos however outnumber the Itsekiris in population so much as ratio 4:1 in Delta state.

The bone of contention is Warri city not these other riverine towns that falls under Warri province. If you say group A is the original habitant of the city then you are saying these other groups don't have ancestral claims to their lands and should be under the lordship of group A. This is the debate and will always be.

Recently, the Urhobos began renaming some parts of their city as Wado but this also stirred some people. Their claims; Urhobos are tenants and should have no right to their part of the city. This is the issue some of these supremacists are pushing and should be condemned. Every of the trio have a legit claim to their respective land and no one should be under the Oluship or ovieship of any one.

The Urhobos being Inland people didn't stop them from occupying and owing lands that the city covers. Heck, Warri isn't the only place where the Urhobos converged with other ethnicities. In several Western Ijaw terrains in like Patani, the Urhobos also have territories they occupy and control and the Ijaws aren't pushing any propaganda. Infact, they are fusing as one people. Why must we have this Warri debate every time?

When you say a group of people are your tenants, it means the land they are occupying isn't of their ancestors. For example, we can say the many Ilaje communities existing in Delta state today are tenants of the Itsekiris because they are occupying riverine terrains that belongs to the group. Can the Ilaje wake up one morning and begin laying claims to these lands? No, they aren't even recognised by the state and they're existing in creeks their forebears never founded. The case is different with the groups in Warri whose ancestors founded and formed the city.

Surprisingly, some of these guys have no problem with the growing Ilaje communities in their terrain. They are concerned about who owns where in Warri.

GhostOfNigeria:
Awolowo and Azikiwe both found evidence and proof that itsekiri’s are the original inhabitants of warri and the rest later joined them find the colonial records you will see more evidence. He has always been called Olu of Warri

There is no such thing as original inhabitants. Every of these groups both have a legit claim to the city. Of course we are not discussing about other parts of 'Warri' or the Origin of the name. The bone of contention is you wanting others to believe others don't have any legit claims to the city.

This argument should be killed. It won't do us any good. We must accept the realities and compromise when possible.

This matter is stale and I don't want to believe we should be having this discussion. We must accept the current realities regardless of where we are from and note that no-one is going anywhere. Coexistence is what will benefit all and I don't know why this guy on twitter and his minions continue to champion disunity.

Again, it was never out of place to say Awolowo was bias towards certain groups in the Delta. Awolowo never hid his love for people from his fold and considering how his Ijebu people formed what we today know as Itsekiri, you could clearly see why he was up in arms and ready to do anything for them. It's human nature to be bias. Also, Azikiwe could have argued from a point of limited knowledge as regards the diverse nature of 'Warri.' No single group should be allowed to lay claim to such diverse place. We must accept this reality and end this unnecessary e-war.

jude79:


Your wrong, Mr vitalis is right, research and development has left you behind, today, lithium batteries last between 15 and 30 years depending on grade, even then, many still retain 70% of their capacity, they are a bit more expensive, but return on investment is very high.

No lithium battery can without a recharge cycle for up to 30years. The average lifespan has always hoovered around 10-15. There's no way you can use a lithium battery for 30 years.

Even if $30 can guarantee you 10 years of constant supply via solar, only a handful of Nigerians can afford that. Roughly less than one percent of Nigerians can afford to burn such amount of money for power. This still won't solve the problem of power distribution.

What we need is transparency and the right people to manage these things and not the corrupt government agencies. Let the price be at the current market realities and only those who are willing to pay for the electricity should enjoy 247 power.

MasterJayJay:


What is right? You have not asked any question.

Food is not cheap, but Nigerians are eating food.
Cooking gas is not cheap but poor people are evening using gas to cook.

The point is not paying 24/7 power supply. Nobody pays for 24/7 food, you pay when you eat not for every hour.

The point is for electricity to be available so that at any point anyone needs it they can. If the poor wants to charge his phone at midnight, he should and if the rich wants to power his 10 AC rooms he should.

Electricity is paid by usage, not by 24/7.

Exactly my point. Let serious people take over power from the corrupt government agencies and peg their price to present realities.

By the time you pay 800/unit. Nobody will advice to poor to only use equipments that are of necessity. And those who can afford putting on AC should be allowed to. Just make it accessible to all.

mrvitalis:

30k dollars for constant like for 20 years?

The present technology can't guarantee 20 years of solar power. Atmost 10 before you start having problems with cells.

My main point is the figure you quoted which only a very minute Nigerians can afford. Electricity is never cheap and that's why government needs to hands off it and let people who are serious take charge. This is the easiest way out of this mess. Not banking on some minute number of people to fund such a gigantic project.

With proper metering and the right bodies in charge, our power generation can rise to 15k- mw in 5 years (That is if government won't intervene and let people pay for the true value of electricity).

mrvitalis:

Generator is cheaper na than having national grid

How is this concept difficult to understand

It is because we have millions of people who spend 20k and above on data that MTN can provide data for people who spend 200 a month

If all of us spend 200 MTN would fold

In Nigeria people who can spend 200k already have power 24/7

50 million can give u 24/7 light that's mere 30k dollars with solar

20k dollars can give you even but u have to manage it well

30k Dollars is not mere anywhere in this world. Not in the united states or anywhere. I get your point but don't just throw numbers. Only 1% of Nigerians can boast of that amount. In the United states, only about 12% of Americans have at least $10,000. This is data and validated fact not some unnecessary egoistic statement.

On your analogy, if MTN have customers that only purchase 200 data, they'd upgrade their plans to 1k min. That way, the huge quantity will translate to a reasonable yield.

Government needs to wash its hand off anything power. Let private bodies take over completely and let them charge whatever they what to change. 700/unit no problem, that way, people economise the scarce resources and also use a pseudo 24/7 electricity. More money to invest more in the infrastructure.

We know how corrupt government organisations are. In my opinion, the government should only run the military and police, every other thing should be handed to private bodies. The massive corruption in Nigeria will make it difficult for anything to run effectively. See NNPC for example.

This is the only way out not your unrealistic high paying customers analogy as if Nigerians are wealthy.

Yujin:

It takes more than just having a branch of IYC and INC in your in a SS community to become Ijaw. A lot of those non-Ijaws accepted those groups due to the power the Ijaws haad in the old Rivers state. Today, the power of the Ijaws have waned and we see some of these communities charting a separate course. People aren't foolish you know. They ask questions over time when they see that the language is different. Without linguistic ties, it's very difficult forming a bond with diverse groups. Even the fulanis in the north had to promote Hausa language all over the north to unite the diverse groups there for a stronger political block. The Ijaw group is standing on a shaky foundation. It won't take time before it comes crashing down.
For the Efik-Ibibio-Annang, they can easily close ranks because they can communicate with one another in Efik/Ibibio. I've seen this happen many times. Despite how they kick openly, they will easily form a united front WHEN THE TIME COMES.

I really wish the Edoid can come together to form a united front but it seems so far fetched. One major problem is still language non-intelligibility. In case you don't know, some Edoids are still holding on to their linguistic brothers but there seem to be no help from fellow Edoids. I'm talking about the Udekama people of Degema town. The Ijoids around them are putting so much pressure on them currently even to the level of violence. It was similar pressure the Ijaws put on those other smaller groups you saw in Bayelsa and parts of Rivers. With Rivers being out of the grip of the Ijaws, a lot of those smallr groups now breathed a sigh of relief and are today exerting their real identity.

The Ijaws still wield so much power in the region and are one of the most dominating group. While they come behind the Ibibio-anang-Efik and Edoid when it comes to population, these groups don't know the essence of unity. And you are actually wrong to think these non-ijoid groups are pulling out of their Ijaw identity.

The IYC is one of factor that bridges the unity of they Ijoid groups. There are a lot of other factors that has made other subgroups go strong with their Ijaw identity and letting go of that identity means their end and possible subjugation. No other group in the whole of Southern Nigeria has been able to unite all of its groups like the Ijaws has.

The Edoid groups in Bayelsa are long gone. They have been so incorporated into the overall Ijaw body and you also need to know some have Ijaw ancestry. Even here in Delta, some Edoid groups are of Ijaw ancestry including some Urhobo clans. If linguistic isn't used as a uniting force, ancestry link will definitely be used.

garfield1:

Yes the Jukuns have successfully done this by uniting most Christian tribes in Taraba under jukuns umbrella except the mumuyes to counter the fulanis and tivs.the HAUSAS have done this too and to a small extent igbos

Yes I know of the Jukuns. If not for their tenacity, they would have long been cornered. They understand that unifying packets of closely located tribes is essential for their survival, especially in a region where ethnic cleansing is prominent.

The Ijaws understand what it means to come together to forge a common goal. Something I wish other groups can do. I sincerely do not see the need for the Urhobos and Isokos splitting for example, when we share same ancestry and identity.

The Ijaws have united Igboid, Edoid and other riverine groups into their Ijaw umbrella and these people see themselves as nothing but Ijaws. The Ijaws in Delta state went to the extent of creating lead for the Ijaws in Ondo, that the Ijaws from Ondo come into Delta and benefits whatever is due to the Ijaws in the state.

The Igbos and Yorubas are not good unifying groups. Lots of Yoruboid groups in NC are lost gone. The Igbos are finding it difficult to put Ikwerre and other related groups into their fold, but not the Ijaws. So I agree that the Ijaws are the largest, but when we have a unified Akwa-Cross & Edoid forces, they should come third.

Yujin:

They don't see themselves as Ijaws but don't make noise about themselves being different. They are not Ijaws and have their own ethnic associations.

Actually, the Ijaws are the only groups that have been able to unify all related groups into a single umbrella. The issue you will face uniting the Edoid groups is the same issue you will face uniting the Igbpid groups.

There are Edoid groups that are fully Ijaws now. They go with the Ijaw identity and readily flaunt it. See me here debating the bond between the Efik/Ibibio/Annang and you see garfield1 fighting me to standstill not to group his people as one.

But not the Ijaws. They are fierce and have been able to command dominance even when we have a bigger group from the Akwa-Cross Axis.

garfield1:


These people esp efik/annang Ibibio don't want to be grouped as one so leave am.the ijaws are the largest

Lol. I'll let you win this one. Yes, the Ijaw identity is very strong. Their numbers is debatable. Have a good day bro.

garfield1:


No sir,I'll do it as it has been officially gazetted please which is efik,annang,Ibibio,urhobo,isoko,bini,isan.ethnologists/ethnographers that classified them as distinct ethnicities know why and have more info than you and me.let us leave it at that.better still,I can allow you classify as you like in edo delta axis but since akwa cross is my region,let me take the lead...
I tagged you to come and identify other areas of urhobo population not to argue about ethnic classification please.i know outsiders see the entire akwa ibom as one tribe called Calabar people but this is very False.cross river state alone has over 70 ethnicities.please be guided.

If we are to go be the official gazetted groups, then you are a bit correct with your op. But I will argue that the ibibios are more than the Ijaws.

Again, I want you to understand my point of argument. There's a reason people are classified into groups. It isn't to make anyone superior or inferior. I know for a fact that the Akwa Cross region is complex, but these people are from the same stock and speak a language and have a culture that is nearly similar. It is not out of place to group these people as one, same way it's not out of place to group the Urhobos and Isoko as one. When you do that, you are not necessarily exacting the dominance of one over the other, but making it clear to bond that exist between these groups. There's far more what bond the Urhobo/Isoko and Efik/Ibibio/Anang that what actually separates them.

garfield1:


Yes efik,annang and Ibibio share similarities but are classified as different tribes.each of them see themselves differently so respect that please just as isoko and urhobo are distinct.lets stick to the main issues,don't bring divisions please

No division. If you split groups according to their perceived identities, then you shouldn't add all anioma groups as Igbos, and all Ijaw groups as Ijaws. Most of these people see themselves as their own unique identity.

For better debate. You classify the Efik/Ibibio-anang as one. And nothing wrong classifying the Urhobo/Isoko as one. They are from the same stock and should be classified as one.

If you split these groups, you'd have up-to 100's of tribe which will make your debate cumbersome. For a start, aside the ibibios, there is no group that outnumbers the Urhobos. If we are to go by the identity in which these groups identify themselves with.

Rephrase your OP and get it done then right way. Ibibio-anang-Efik. Edoid, Ijoid. Etc

garfield1:


No na,they don't make the cut.they don't even have an LGA they own wholly.they share odukpani with qua and efut,share municipal with qua,share south with efut,share akpabuyo with qua and efut,same in bakassi

You classification of these groups is Wrong. Efik/Anang/Ibibio are from the same stocks and should form a single group. I'm not interested in their dirty local politics, but you apply classification for all groups not only the major groups.

Undoubtedly, The Efik/Ibibio bloc are the largest in the South South and they should be the fourth largest in Nigeria.

The Ijoid don't not come close to second.

Yujin:

Are you claiming that the population given in that table wasn't an ethnic one but rather the general population of the division? I disagree with you on that because if it was so, they would have stated it. Warri was used specifically for the Itsekiris but the populations of other ethnic groups there(in Warri) were pushed into their home divisions. That is why there wasn't any room for overlapping ethnic populations in other divisions. No division even at that time was without migrants. This is how you will know. Compare Itsekiri population with Isoko population at the time and today. It still tallies.
Urhobo and Isoko= 41.81%
Anioma = 33%
Ijaw = 15.48%
Itsekiri = 9.69%

Again, that was the regional District not Ethnic nationalities. During the Western region, Isoko was under Urhobo district untill they eventually had their own. I attached the referendum of the Midwest region during their breakaway quest from the stronghold of Awolowo led-western regional government.

From the below attachment, you can see Urhobo, Western Ijaw, Warri, Asaba, Aboh (Ndoshimili & Ukwuani) as district rather than ethnic groups.

During the creation of Delta these district were divided into what we today known as LGA.
* Isoko was divided into Isoko North and South.
* Western Ijo was divided into Burutu, Bomadi, and Patani (Urhobos are in Patani)
* Ndoshimili & Ukwuani was the two district that made up Aboh division and it was Ukwuani, Ndokwa East and Ndokwa West
* Urhobo was further divided into 8 LGAs.
* Warri was divided into Warri North (Itsekiri), Warri South West (Itsekiri) and Warri South (Urhobo & Itsekiri).

Should even be arguing this? Are you not aware of the crisis in the Warri district that was caused by Awolowo when he dabbled into the Warri district power tussle and changed the Olu title to Olu of Warri, with the Olu being the traditional head of Warri, a district with other ethnicities which caused lots of tension and resulted in the Urhobos backing the NCNC?

Why did you reduce Anioma's population from 33% to 30% and even went further to decrease it to 1/4th(25%) if not because of bias? I just wanted to set the analysis straight based on the data you uploaded. Published stats are produced without ambiguity to guard against guessing just like you did because they'll be used by the government for planning purposes.

I made errors in my calculations which also affected the Edoid population. I've proven to you with facts that the labelled places in my photo image wasn't a ethnic nationality rather it was a district. If we are to add the Urhobo population in Warri and Western Ijo, will you still arrive at the same numbers?

I didn't state that I supported the claim of Igbo being the largest in the SS but the argument can be made due to some factual circumstances. I will leave it for now.

What facts can be made in the face of glaring prove that the Igboid don't come close to been largest, when we have the Efik/Ibibio and Edoid groups?

My conclusion on the former post was that the contention for the largest is between the Igboid, Ibibiod and Edoid.

There is no contention anywhere, rather it's you trying to be clever by not wanting to accept the mistakes and falsehood of some people here. How can we even be debating who is larger when you can clearly see the big guys in the room?

Reference any population census. Even use the 2006 and point where any group beat Edoid not to talk of Effik/Ibibio.

The Ijoid isn't even close and I sent you a link for you to peruse and infer somethings about the Ijoid population. You will infer from their that hardly will you find any state where whole Ijoid population is up to 2.5 million. Not even in Bayelsa that they are in the majority. This puts the Ijoid total population to be below 5 million. Counter it with facts if you must.

The Ijos are a diverse groups. Most of the Edoid groups you would want to exclude from the iJo family actually identify as Ijo. Wether or not they are wrong is a debate for another day.

Now, the Efik-Ibibio-Anaang(Ibibiod) population after my research is almost at 6-6.5million. Notice I didn't add the Oron, Ibeno and Eastern Obolo languages. If I added them, they will be the clear majority in the SS. I did so because of political reasons and language intelligibility.
The Edoid number about 5.5-6million but language intelligibilty is their greatest weakness and it will always show. It's either the Bini and Esan hold up the Edoid or the Urhobo and Isoko do so but they'll won't be able to hold it up. Here's a single fact; there's no single umbrella body for Edoid people. The same problem the Ibibiods have. I'll leave you to conclude this for yourself.

So it's now about Umbrella bodies and not actual numbers? Let me tell you a hard fact, There's no single Umbrella bodies of any group in the region aside Ijaws. Also, mutual intelligibility is a concern for everyone. Why are you secluding only the Edoid & Effik people? Do you understand all your groups language? Do you even know if I understand Bini language to some degree?

Or they told you an Ilaje person can communicate freely with someone from Lagos?

Yujin:

Your analysis is wrong and I say it was tainted by bias.
Let us start with the percentage you gave Anioma from the table you provided.
Urhobo alone was 32.85%
Anioma was 33%
Urhobo and Isoko was 41.81%.
However, your analysis brought Anioma down to 30% and you concluded by ascribing 1/4th population of Delta for them. That's a huge error that can only be blamed on bias.

As for the total population of the Igboid, Edoid and Efik /Ibibio as to who among them is this largest in the SS, I'm still compiling to bring something closest to the most accurate data. I don't just throw statistics around because it can easily be debunked. You'll notice that I never mentioned the Ijaw because clearly they're not close to the largest in anyway. Even if you use the word Ijoid like you use for the Igboid and Edoid, Ijoid is still a distant fourth and I'll prove it.
Visit this link and see Bayelsa state ethnic composition. The Ijaws and Ijoids in the state are not more than 65%. Bayelsa is mostly Ijoid, followed by Cross River language group of languages, then Edoid (Urhobo/Isoko) and finally Igboid(Ekpeye and Ukwuani).
https://www.nairaland.com/6885475/ethnic-diversity-bayelsa-state

Warri Population is obviously not added in your calculation. Or you don't know the ethnic groups that occupied the Warri province in the 60's and even till now? Even if the Urhobos in Warri was 15% of the population (Which is not possible, because majority of Warri province population was in present day Warri South LG that is heavily shared between Urhobo & Itsekiri). If I'm to add the Urhobo population in Patani & Bomadi, then the Urhobos should be nothing less than 38% of the entire population. Also, I left 5% uncounted for, giving rooms for any slack.

Again, you are bias to not see the falsehood some people are trying to push. There's no way anyone can challenge the population strength of the Effik/Ibibio folks. My only problem with them is that they don't know the strength they have. After the Effik, you have the Edoids that completely dominate two states.

Then you also have the Ijaws whose population in Delta alone covered that of Ndokwa & Ndoshimili together, and Itsekiri (from their population in Warri Province). The Ijaws are also the lead majority in Bayelsa and the Edoid numbers can't be more than 10% of the population.

Without even debating, you know it's a lie to say Igboid are the biggest group in a region with far more dominating groups.

Ologbo147:
pay no heed to those ones who are not educated enough to know that Urhobo and Isoko are Edoid groups, even Degema, Engenni , Epie-atissa are all Edoid groups even linguistically even if the last three identify as Ijaw.


Avoid the last one call Beninrefugee, he is empty, seem like one that will never learn or take correction and is out to derail the thread

Limiting Edoid to Bini is even dumb, not when Bini is just one part of the whole family. Maybe they confuse the success of the Bini Empire to the spread of the Edoid aboriginals. If we are to follow strict linguistical protocol, a huge chunk of Bayelsa will fall under Edoid.

But the Ijaws are quite peculiar, they know how to unite groups within their reach, even our Edoid related brothers. It will shock you to know how Edoid formed a part of the Ijaw identity and how the Ijaw ancestors also formed a party of the Edoid identity. The Ijaws are some of the ancestors that made up some Urhobo communities.

afube:

what in the world does edoid mean.....bini people are limited to edo state na!

Edoid - A group of people who speak variants of the Edo language and share common ancestry (most) and culture.

Bini - A tribe belonging to the Edoid group.

Edo State - A place many believe to be the origin of the Edoid people.

So all groups I mentioned fall into the Edoid group. Same way you lump Itsekiri and Ilaje as Yoruboid or Ika & Ikwerre as Igboid... It's the same way groups who speak similar variants of the Edo language are called Edoid groups and they are found mostly in Delta, Edo and Bayelsa (Minority).

Please note, Bini is not the same as Edoid. They are a branch of the family, same as Esan, Isoko etc. So don't get confused.

BeninRefugees:


there are no Edoid people in Delta State now

What do you mean by there are not Edoid groups in Delta State?

Ologbo147:
and also Igarra,

Akoko Edo as big as it is comprise of just five percent of the population of Edo state.

Okpamheri as an Edo group comprise of 23 villages and its population was over 30 thousand minus Ososo in 1952 and all these communities are in Akoko Edo.

I do not think the insignificant population of Itsekiri in Ologbo that is even a shared community coupled with those sparsely Ijaw settlements in the two Ovia alongside with the population of Igbanke can go beyond 60% of Akoko Edo. Who are Yorubas in Edo state

I was even wrong according 5% to these non-Edoid groups. They should be far far less. The Itsekiri/Ijaw population are too minute to amount any significant population.

The situation in Edo is similar to most states in Nigeria. In Ondo for example, there are Edoid and Ijoid groups, but the Yoruboid are over 90%. In Anambra, there is Igala population. But somehow, these non-groups are ignored when numbers are counted but in the case of Edo, minute groups always want to be mentioned in a bid to push falsehood.

Ologbo147:
Igboid in Edo state are not up to two percent, maybe Edo south not the entire Edo state, when you pitch the population of Igbanke against the population of Edo state indigenes, it cannot go beyond 1.1 percent

Or even less. But these minute population are consistently mentioned to push falsehood and swell population numbers.

The 5% non-Edoid population in Edo state is shared between these iJo, Itsekiri and Ika. Very insignificant.

Ologbo147:
Edoid in delta is up to about 45 percent of the population of Delta state. Put it in plain terms, the Urhobos alone minus the Isoko totally cancels the Igboid group in Delta state and also Igbanke in Edo state.

When you add Isoko to the prevalent population of Edoid groups in Edo state, it will be two times and half the population of Igboid groups in Rivers state. Outside Delta and Rivers, you find Igboid groups in Minute quantity in Bayelsa and Akwa ibom

I ignored the significant Urhobo population in iJo territories in Delta state. There is no single group that can even argue numbers with Edoid in the whole of SS aside Efik/Ibibio. Funny how some falsehood can become a fact if repeated continuously.

BeninRefugees:


you just hanged yourself with this census

Igbos are clearly the 2nd largest group in SS after Efik and Ibibio

Unlike you, I debate with fact. The Edoid completely cancelled Igboid group in Delta. In Edo, the Edoid reign supreme. As at 1967, Edoid had a population of 1+ million in Edo. What's the population in Rivers, and how many of these population belongs to the Igboid group?

Igboid:


What are you blabbing about?
Igbos/Igboids of SS are the single largest ethnic group in SS.
This is my point and facts back this up..
Rema is from Igbanke likewise Boyspyce, this is a well known fact, if you want proof, just ask or you can simply use the Internet search button.

So where do you place the Effik/Ibibio in your debate? I thought we all argue with facts rather than sentiment.

Effik/Ibibio should be the fourth largest ethnic group in Nigeria. They always had the numbers.

Here's an unbiased ranking
1. Efik/Ibibio (98% of Cross River & Akwa Ibom)
2. Edoid (2/4 of Delta State, 95% of Edo state, 10% Bayelsa)
3. ijoid (90% Bayelsa, 1/5 Delta state, 1/4 Rivers State, 2% Edo)
3. igboid (1/4 Delta, 2/3 Rivers, 2%Edo)

If you want to argue further, we can start to referencing population census from the 50's.

Modified: I attached the population census of Bendel (Delta). Urhobo/Isoko (Edoid) - 42%
Igboid - 32%
Ijaw - 15%
Itsekiri - 10%. Please note that I didn't take account of the Urhobo communities in Western Ijo territories. Also didn't include Isoko population in Ndokwa. This is for Delta state. In Edo state, Edoid group occupied over 95% of the population.

The only state the Igboid group are majority, is Rivers. Meanwhile the Edoid dominate two states (Edo & Delta with significant population in Bayelsa & Rivers).

In Cross River and Akwa Ibom, the Effik/Ibibio occupy these states completely, giving them the clear lead.

The Ijaws are found in every states but only command numbers in Delta, Bayelsa and Rivers. There's no way they can surpass the Edoid group in strength.

Cc: Ologbo147.

Ologbo147:
I did not use Orogun anymore, i only added Orogun in the first place because of an excerpt i read that talked about Orogun descending maternally from Igbo.


Orogun is no longer the point in discuss, i gave you another perfect analogy which was there from my first comment you quoted.

Alisor/Alilehan speak Edo/Bini language as a first language, migrated into Ika, speak Ika as a second language today and identify as such. It it the exact same scenario as Usen . That is what i asked in my first write up to you

Okay, sorry for the mix-up. I now get your point.

Ologbo147:
They don’t speak it as a lingua franca, lingua franca is like an official language that is used for communication by strange groups or related groups whose languages are deemed not to be so intelligible.


They speak it as a first language, they speak Edo too, i added very similar example of Alilehan and Alisor with Edo first languages who migrated to Agbor, speak Agbor as a second language today and identify as such, you did not reply to that, there is a video evidence there, it is exactly the same scenario with Usen

Usen - Speaks more of Yoruba than Edo (Yoruba is the first language spoken by the people)

Orogun - Speaks Urhobo and only a very minute quarters speak Kwale.

Summary: Your analogy of Usen and Orogun is not totally correct.

Ologbo147:
It is not what about Orogun who is said to be maternally Igbo,

I believe the Orogun case and that of Usen are far different. Only a few quarters of Orogun speak kwale and it isn't the lingual-franca of the people. The language spoken everywhere is Urhobo and a majority of them don't Understand kwale unless some very few who reside in some quarters. We also have this case in Kiagbodo between the Ijaws and the Urhobos. And surprisingly, the Ijaws in Kiagbodo are the ancestors to some Urhobo/Isoko clans but they somehow were able to get influenced by the language.

Usen case is different. They speak Yoruba as the lingual Franca.

BRATISLAVA:


That's exactly what's happening here.

It's his duty to be a father. Not the woman. She's enjoying the benefits of his inability to be a father to his daughter.

Men who should be correcting some abnormalities in the way this man runs his home are doing otherwise. It's a pity.

We can see this man has lost control of his home and I'm feeling the wife is the one calling the shot. A teenager who doesn't like coming home after school hours must certainly have a reason. Kids sense hatred and bad energy from afar.

Just went through some of his old post and see how completely this young girl has suffered in the hands of her step mother. And the OP is shocked that the little angel is rabelling.

BRATISLAVA:


Why choosing his new wife over his own child? Why can't he find a middle ground?

Clearly this is his plan on evicting his daughter to please his new wife, without a care in the world what happens to her next. He just wants her off his hands. His new children are his only priority. He needs advice so that he can kill his conscience and do what she asked him to.

We know the game and plot. Key points to note.

* Girl behaves well when daddy is around.

* All negative things are reported by the wife. The man hasn't experienced any bad behaviours. My wife said this , she said that.

I know men reason too much with their joysticks that they always fail to protect their flesh and blood, but I think it's about time we put an end to the terror of women to their step kids. It's becoming unbearable and I'm already feeling sad for this innocent child because the wife has so much manipulated the head of her father.