₦airaland Forum

mdimefields:
I don't support bringing down any region to promote yours. It is not right. I love the fact that you encourage our brothers to make use of what we have. I also love how you promote the South East on this forum. If I have my way, no South Easterners will be investing in any hostile region, under one Nigeria. I hope they get to their senses soon.

Maybe you don't live in Nigeria. But what you are seeing here isn't strange. The quest to feel superior and undermine others has been something the majority of tribes in Nigeria has been engaged in.

It's more pronounced in Southern Nigeria because unlike the north, ethnic groups occupying the South would never allow themselves to be degraded and downplayed by any group... Hence the circle of bigotry and tribal supremacy clash.

The hard truth we are shying away from is that we shouldn't be one. Our existence as a nation should be negotiated. Unless one ethnic group bows to the other (which would never happen), there isn't any way to end the bigotry and hatred.

If you think I'm lying, visit other threads Like that of Ogun's Development thread and see how other regions are been degraded. It really isn't about promoting and projecting one's progress but more to do with degrading others who they feel they are superior to.

KingOfIsoko1:
Ijaw should never produce governor of Delta State, their sidon tight is worse than Arewa folks

Lolz but I don't actually have problems with the Ijaws, I see them as a brother. I know sometimes their attitude can be overbearing but they are cool people.

Also, their contributions to the national and state pocket gives them this entitlement which is very normal. Infact they deserve more. In Delta state, they don't have any booming city despite their huge contributions.

Maybe an Ijaw governor will address some of their plights.

senatordave1:
Ijaws will certainly get the pdp ticket but apc will give the others.let me correct something about itsekiris.i don't believe they are the smallest in population,that should be the isokos who are in only two lgas.itsekiris dominate 8 out of 11 wards of warri north lga,4 out of the 10 wards of warri south lga and 6 out of the ten warri SW lga.current projections put the population of the 3 lgas at 900,000 while that of the 2 isoko lgas is 400,000.lets assume that 50% of the three warri lgas are itsekiris while 85% of isoko n and s are isokos.again,itsekiri have enclaves in burutu,bomadi and Patani and parts of delta central which can be equivalent to two wards.itsekiris should be 450,000 while isokos are 350,000 which means itsekiris have more population.so you should stop undermining them.cc tutudesz

I'm not Isoko so I won't want to get myself into this debate. The population figures from these Itsekiri dominated LGAs are inflated. Even in Warri metropolis, Isokos are far more populated than Itsekiris. Talk about Ijaws, yes, but not Itsekiri.

In Ughelli, Isoko trails Urhobo. The Isokos also have indigenous populations in Delta North. There's no way Itsekiri would be more.

In all, there should just be fairness and equity in how political positions and slots are shared between Ijaw, Isoko and Itsekiri. It won't make sense for one to get it all.

senatordave1:
Apc will zone it to itsekiri or isokos since ijaws are anti apc.if not for ibori that gave itsekiri guber,nothing for them

Ijaws might produce the next governor. Those guys are already gathering resources and strategizing. Itsekiri can't produce governor for now unless there's another Ibori. They don't have the numbers. Even in senatorial dominance, the Isokos and Ijaws have cornered them.

Speakership don't matter to the Ijaws as they are mostly concerned about the guber battle, which I think Isoko has an edge too, because they have an Urhobo population to rally strength from, should incase the battle gets rough and tough.

KingOfIsoko1:
Efewestern mavo na,


I think say Sherriff appointment don reach your caban.


Isoko played out of the power sharing equation again, as na only Erijo from Uzere make Chief of staff.


Make Sherrif no just treat Isoko like Okowa did.


That speaker weh Ijaw collect suppose be Ferguson Onwo from Isoko South 2

Appointment kwa. Lol. Oshare I be nobody.

Ijaw controls Delta South. I know they would get the speakership. Isoko already has senate. Speakership should go to Itsekiri, but from the look of things, they have been totally rendered powerless in the zone.

Isoko should gather strength for the governorship battle that will soon arrive their doorstep. Can you outsmart our Ijaw brothers? Only time can tell.

senatordave1:
Funny enough,pdp won isoko federal seat.it seems isoko decided to vote apc at senate level though the apc candidate onoyona alleged rigging led by hon ogor in isoko north..

Let me be frank,delta will be frozen out under tinubu.in 2019,apc got 25% yet failed to win an lga this year.it is pathetic.even Edo state with it's high rate of obidients gave tinubu 25%.infact,only delta failed to give tinubu up to 25% in SS.you will only get a deputy minister of an obscure ministry.with DSP out,no one is at the federal level to project delta apc.dsp should have returned to senate.dafinone and joel cannot do anything,onochie is a jester.ayiri can only work for himself and ugborodo.
To think that tinubu visited delta twice and even met tompolo and the pere of gbaramatu privately yet he was disgraced.even though his wife is itsekiri,you know she hardly identifies with them.okotete is a small fry,keyamo has no political strength and will be relegated.only emerhor is close to tinubu but he can't do much.delta no try

The naira and fuel scarcity, summersaulting economic policies etcs made it too difficult for APC candidates nationwide. These hurdles weren't there in 2019. You can't blame people for wanting change.

The actions of your party during the build-up to the general election was enough for them to lose nationwide. Blame those that caused the neck pressing suffering and not those who wanted a bit of sanity through the ballot box. Elections are over and we expect fairness in the president's discharge of duties.

senatordave1:
I believe lp won delta north.no way obi will win there and lp won't win one senate,okowa simply allowed obi to have his way but used his lga to get the senate..according to one agba Abraham,pdp won delta south and even if you cancel Bowen ward,pdp will still win by 6000.i still don't understand how diden didn't get good votes in warri north,SW,burutu,bomadi to clinch victory.isoko have produced senator before,it's the turn of itsekiri sha.as compensation,itsekiris should get speaker.isoko should rather forge alliance with itsekiris and urhobos of warri south to counter the dominant ijaws.

An Ijaw senatorial candidate would have trashed Onowakpo. The Ijaws didn't give their best this time around. They had no candidate on the ballot and so no reason to slave for the PDP. It would have been an easy win if they voted Diden.

Onowakpo too couldn't get the support of his Isoko people in its entirety. This is where they Ijaw strength lies. They vote in bloc and deliver. Whosever wants to achieve anything in Delta South will still need the Ijaws. Urhobo population in greatly confined in Warri South and Patani and so won't be able to do anything significant. The population of Itsekiri is rather too small to command any influence.

LP had votes in Delta North. If the party should push on with the fight, then PDP might have no senator in Delta state

senatordave1:
Have you seen the lga by lga results of delta south? I heard Joel only won isoko south

No breakdown. But I think he won the two Isoko LGAs. If election is to be reconducted in the disputed Warri South LGA, Onowakpo might still win due to the sheer number of the indigenous Urhobo population and votes from Isoko/Ijaw resident. With the right politics played, Isoko might just become the powerhouse of Delta South. Of course, alliance needs to be forged with the Ijaws, else they go nowhere.

With the new electoral laws, it seems Ijaw strength lies in Urban areas where they concentrate more. Ijaw population in Uvwie/Udu is threatening but that population doesn't have any direct impact on their continuous hold on Delta South.

LP seems to have a case in Delta North. Do you think the party is ready to exploit all legal means? The could snatch power if they put in efforts. The Obi wave was beneficial to the LP senatorial candidate.

senatordave1:
Very true.yiu understand electoral demography.what do you know about Stella okotete?
Diden has a strong case at the court

Know very little of her.

I don't think Diden's case will fly. Elections/results cancelled in Warri South can't be valid. Unless the returning officer didn't follow the electoral laws.

senatordave1:
You yourself have stated why obi lost,he didn't appeal to the north.you must appeal to the core north or SW NC like gej and obj did

North is irrelevant. If Obi had secured SW and NC, he would have won even with the alleged rigging.

Breaking an alliance with SW and NC and securing atleast the majority half would see LP emerge winner. From the elections in recent times, NW & NE has lost total control of NC as these guys lean heavily on Southern candidates.

garfield1:
Pre election matters that can be raised in tribunal are those stated in the constitution.most obi fans actually prefer atiku,you saw Hilda dokubo and Ken pela in court.

AA still wouldn't have won Southern Nigeria. I can't say for South Easterners, but most people share the tribal sentiments (Fulani to Fulani transition is DOA). Worst case scenario, the turnup in several southern states will be very low.

There have been dissatisfaction in middle belt already as per the herdsmen crisis. All BAT just needed to do is to pick a middle belt Christian candidate. Afterall, the Northerners voted AA despite shetima in the ticket.

What pre-election matters is acceptable at this stage?

garfield1:
The case is automatically dead because it is a pre election matter with no Constitutional basis.it cannot be raised again.seems you support atiku

Ati what... Power to the South has always been the mantra. By now you should have predicted how most of us down here voted. Southerners who voted AA were mostly PDP members. It was the turn of the South, he has no moral justification to contest. No southerner will try that nonsense. Obi was the preferred candidate for most and if he hadn't been in the race, votes will go to BAT except in SE. I monitored results in the units close to me... Obi 1st, BAT second, AA third.

No body will empower a Fulani to Fulani transition.

Only trying to understand the legal framework of this case and relate it to some upcoming guber case I'm keen in.

donphilopus:
I believe Amaechi can fund himself if he so wishes. But he would only waste his time doing so as the case lacks merit. Shettima immediately withdrew from the senatorial race immediately his name was announced as the running mate to Tinubu.

So technically there wasn't a double nomination? The court still needs to decide on this.

garfield1:
They can but it is late

The case was still raised in the tribunal. Do you think your party can maneuver their way around it ?

I know the SC case can't be referenced.

garfield1:
As it should

Can't PDP fund aggrieved APC presidential contestants to contest the double nomination ? Is this possible in the eyes of the law?

Read the new electoral law and i knew immediately that PDP lacked the power to sue APC on pre-election matters.

JungleJustice01:
Thanks to everyone for the input. The problem is my brother isn't so well to do financially. His salary is barely enough for him to survive and he's also an SS.

For this reason, we have been taking care of him from time past. When parents passed, I gladly left him all the funds, cars and all just to help. I still send him support time and again so it's kind of out of place to sit him down and start discussing legal terms, it'd look more like I'm trying to kick him out from getting anything anymore.

I also can't sell the house in it's current state. That will be most unwise business wise.

I'm considering dividing the house but is there any reason one half should be good and the other crumbling? How do I share fixing borehole, compound lights, entire roofing, replacing all windows and interlocking the compound?

I could easily leave the house in it's state and build mine but that's not a good legacy either.

Gooday sir, I will advise you be careful with the words you receive here. You stated that your brother is SS. He is also working but the pay is barely enough to meet his needs. Towing some paths might not only hurt him but snatch him away from you. He's all you have got now.

I would advise you purchase your personal land, then spread the house renovation into phases. Maybe 3 years plan after you might have gotten your own personal landed property.

You can start with the roofing. Then followed by windows fixing and tilling. I don't know about your tribe, but since you are the eldest, you ought to have the lions share.

How many flats are we talking about?

mrvitalis:
You all don't get me ,my point is it makes zero sense to borrow to build infrastructure ...borrow to give credit to your people, create more revenue then use the revenue after debt servicing n recurrent expenditure what ever is left invest in infrastructure

I infact support several of your points, but we still need some critical infrastructures. We both can agree that some elephant projects executed by the government in the past eight years were unnecessary as they add zero value to the economy and it made zero sense in taking loans to execute what won't be beneficial to the wellbeing of the Nigerian people.

I still believe whatever we are trying to build will totally crumble if there isn't any infrastructure on ground. We should do only what is overly necessary with whatever loan we secure and disburse the rest to ready business partners. Building stadium, rails, airports etc are totally unnecessary at this point in our development.

Simeonjoe1:
True Talk...

But mrvitalis said we don't need major infrastructure that we should focus on offering credit facilities to entrepreneurs.

I'm not in support of all he said. We need critical infrastructures, especially road, schools and hospitals.

The incoming government must not follow the step of previous regimes. We are suffering bro. We must get things right, else, the calamity that will befall us, many won't survive.

Simeonjoe1:
Very false.
The point we fail to understand is that we need infrastructure. This your statement here is still why we are here today.
You said back then we didn't prioritize our refinery and as a result we are affected now.
Same way you said we shouldn't build stadium, rails and big buildings now, do you know the impact this can have on us later? Same way we are comfortable importing fuel with subsidy before, well we are comfortable without rail for now.

Also no country, I repeat no country in the world fund major infrastructure without borrowing, you can't build everything on revenue alone, if you do you'll be restricted on critically needed infrastructure and this will have a long term impact on your economic growth.
This will be like a déjà vu we refuse to learn from. Same way we accuse the former leaders of not building infrastructure, of not creating a strong power supply plan, of not prioritizing our rail, roads, refinery and it's adverse impact on the Nigeria of today, that will be the same way your grandchildren will view you if you didn't engage in rigorous infrastructure building.

Government is not a profit running ventures in fact many countries requires budgeting for critical infrastructures. Many mega projects runs at a loss, but that doesn't stop government intervention and development of other project. Infrastructure and HDI goes hand in hand, and if you really want to develop to better standard, infrastructure takes the larger chunk.

There is what we call priority. We are neck deep in poverty and building Airports and Rail-stations won't help the people in anyway. Delta state sank billions in building Airport when what they actually need is a well-funded active seaport and productive petrochemical industries (Atleast lure investors to the state and form joint partnership), that would have been more productive than having an airport with just a few hundred flights yearly because you don't expect poor and struggling people to buy flight tickets.

We need infrastructure, but only critical infrastructure that can sustain the economy. ROADS, POWER, EDUCATIONAL CENTRES AND HOSPITALS are what we need at this point in our life when we are battling with chronic poverty.

If and when we have been able to capture some local and international market sectors, we can then talk about building rails, stadiums and some gigantic structures. For now, it makes zero sense to borrow millions from China to build rails. To what end? We can borrow and fund critical infrastructures and open the market for more investors to come in.

We need jobs bro. If we are poor, we will vandalize whatever is being built. Poverty is the root cause of lots of problem we are facing and if we don't tackle it, it will consume us. I'm glad with the Dangote refinery and I wish the coming government focuses more on having more industries set up. For a start, we can get our steel industries running. Look for ways to capture the West African market. We can't be here and Chinal and Indians are dominating the markets of our neighbours when we have the resources to penetrate and capture. Look at the progress we made in the banking sectors all over the sub-continent.

Borrow money to get these things running and see the magic it does to the local economy. Again, we should learn to prioritize. We can't compete with Europeans for now. If they are building train stations, let them. Out focus is first defeating poverty.

Maazieze:
I wonder what informs your economic perspective, its terribly warped.
The idea of building up infrastructure to encourage growth is not an idea developed by awolowo, its a real life phenomenom that we saw occur in europe and china and now india!

dont trust only my word, actual economists say so: https://blogs.worldbank.org/digital-development/how-does-infrastructure-support-sustainable-growth

The only infrastructure we need now is road, hospitals and educational centres. We don't need rails, stadium, gigantic structures... and unnecessary airports.

We are poor. Infact, we are swimming in poverty. The best way out of this whole mess is productivity. If we can produce 40% of what we consume, it will go a long way in curbing unemployment, poverty and crime.

For decades, we saw no need of refining the fuel we consume. Infact, west Africa imports fuel from non-oil producing countries like India, England.. It will be better if government grant loans to private business men to set-up local refineries and capture the West-african market than building train stations which ends up being vandalized because the people you intend to make comfortable are poor... and an hungry man is an angry man.

For now, we don't need certain infrastructures. We must fight poverty with everything we have got and the only way to do that is by being productive. Any nation that depends on others for what they consume will always be poor.

I'm beginning to wonder why China only gives loan for infrastructure and not other productive ventures.

airsaylongcome:
I know Otokutu wella. As in well well. And please, there is NO WAY Otokutu is on the same Level with Lekki in terms of property value. NO WAY. Name one attraction in that Otokutu? Move Ahead school? I don't mean to denigrate my roots but all of that Uvwie Udu and Ughelli South are all backwaters abeg. I lived in Warri when people went to clubs at night without fear. When Enerhen Junction had the street opposite Word of Life lines with Igbo traders selling their wares until late at night. Now if I go home my uncles and aunts will be calling me to come back home at 6pm. Same Warri that go-slow will hold you at Enerhen junction until 9pm and u no go dey fear.

Didn't say Otukutu can complete with Lekki. Just letting you know that the place no boast of choicy real estates. The plantation city for example houses some of the wealthiest in the state. Property there goes up to 4m/annum.

Yes, I understand the situation of things. But this is the only place we can call home. We don't throw away the baby and the bathwater. As we condemn the attitudes that is killing the city, we also speak life into it.

mrvitalis:
South east is uniquely designed in a way to withstand these situation ....south east would have been badly affected but 99% of the business are native owned ...so economically the I security haven't affected it much

What happened in warri is the effect of too much direct investment from foreigners

Lagos is towing same part

Nah, Lagos isn't towing any similar part. A lot of factors triggered the economic woes we are experiencing today in Warri... Come to think of it, this so called Economic woes is nationwide.

Lots of the companies that left Warri also left Nigeria. The few moved to PH. But even with these woes, Warri is still one of the viable city in Delta state. Uvwie alone generates more income than any other LGA outside the city. The city just need to experience good leadership. Also, the deve levy is too much. We are trying to talk to the boys but more needs to be done.

Aside Omonile I doubt developers face the challenges People Face in Warri. Believe me, people won't try 1/10th of what they do in Lagos in Warri. The city won't contain anyone should someone wake up one morning to say Uvwie/Warri is no man's land. Whatever motive behind that statement won't be justifiable. Everyone here understands limit. The Lagos people are coolheaded and should be commended for their tolerance.

Try and set-up a company in these two cities and see how you get billed be the indigenes.

airsaylongcome:
Lol! Otokutu have choicy real estates that can compare with Lekki?! That same Otokutu of the DSC-NPA express way? Or is there another Otokutu I'm unaware off?

Uvwie being "urbanized" doesn't make it a progressing location. Uvwie with youths capable of causing violence at a blink? Was it not the same Uvwie that Shoprite was vandalized to the ground with one of their politicians supervising the looting? Naaaaah. Warri's glory days are in the distant past.

The same Otokutu bro. It seems you aren't based here, but Otukutu is springling very fast.

Violence in Uvwie is just confided in a tiny location. In Effurun for example, clashes don't extend beyond okito junction. In Ekpan, you only witness these rascalities in some few quarters like Udumowvori etc. The rest location in-between are peaceful and that's where the development is.

airsaylongcome:
Uvwie, Udu and Okpe are developed? Which places? I grew up in Ekete/Orhuwhorun road. In the days when Beeland and Pogie's house were the most magnificent buildings in the neighborhood. Today where is all of that? Let's not talk about the DSC disaster.

The entire Uvwie is Urbanized with several well planned layouts. Otokutu is gaining huge too, it has lots of "choicy" real estates that can compete with those in Lekki eg Plantation city. Okpe is enjoying spill from Uvwie.

Fact remains, old Warri is gone and where the OP mentioned are mostly part of the Old Warri. Yes, I agree the the city isn't developing as it should, but what else can we do?

The youths are hell-bent on destroying the few development that's left with their unnecessary deve fees and thuggish attitude.

dominique:
My friend from Warri told me told me this much. Up to five different factions will be on the companies' neck demanding for their share of the levies. By the time the companies are heaving a sigh of relief that they have seen the last of them, another set will emerge and make more demands. As the fathers are demanding for money, the sons are stealing equipments belonging to these companies, destroying their sites and demanding for their own. Now all the companies have left their land for them and unemployment is now the order of the day. This is what greed and lack of foresight does to people.

Wait till you start a building project. 😂 😂

People who complain about Omonile in Lagos haven't experienced 1/10th of what our boys are capable of doing.

You are expected to pay levies upon levies... quarter levy, Development levy, building permit, contractor levy, carpenter levy, cut-off, Iron bending levy. Whatever association you can think of. No-one is spared, even some of us with some sort of ancestral links are being taxed. May God strengthen all developers.

But funny as this may sound, Warri is fast expanding and still remains the biggest city in the state. The areas the OP mentioned are what we call old-warri. Places in Uvwie, Udu and Okpe are as developed as any top city in Nigeria.

mrvitalis:
The main issue with Nigeria is gap in suffering threshold .....what igbos see n complain ....others see it as unwarranted complain

South east,south south n north minorities have reached their elastic suffering limits

South west haven't they can't still be played by tribalism

North feel they are enjoying ....

Regional system is the best

For many of us, we are now coming to the realization that the only possible way out is dissolution or regional system of government with zero central power. That way we know who to hold accountable.

The clueless governors we have in so many states are hiding under the failure of the central government to loot.

mrvitalis:
Nigerians are not rich enough .... investing in such projects would never break even


My brother n owner of landmark is barely struggling

Ask the owner of that place if he is making profit

Once Nigeria GDP per capita reaches $10000 to $15,000 then things like this can happen ....this is what Peter obi was saying ....build the people first .... everything would follow naturally

Only way they can happen now is government but it would never be profitable reason it's not maintained

That is it. There is poverty in the land. Only a few numbers of Nigerians can actually sustain such ventures.

Unfortunately, I don't see things improving anytime soon. We are in for a long cruise bro.

atheistandproud:
This country only cares about oil. The leaders are clueless idiots. I can't wait for the oil to finish. Maybe then we'll divide this British company.

Maybe as a people/race we are not capable of some things.... Because I just don't know why we can't solve simple problems for decades.

We just want to leech on the resources of a tiny minority that we failed in all aspects of life.

atheistandproud:
My brother

My boss. We are loyal

Tukpa8:
e don red.... everyone is avoiding no man's land argument

You misunderstood the message the Ovie is passing. Believe me, Uvwie is one of the most hot-headed sub Urhobo group and I doubt any body would want to fly the no-man's land tag here.

Where the King's palace is situated is strictly reserved. In that same location, we have the Uvwie secretariat. The Ovie Palace and some key buildings. Non-Urhobo groups can buy their properties outside of this zone.

It is also wrong for the Ohaneaze Ndigbo to report the Ovie to anyone. This is wrong and unacceptable. The Ovie already gave reasons why he can't let other sociocultural group cite their buildings next to him. There are other places in Uvwie you can erect your business centre and buildings but not Effurun GRA.

You can't build whatever structure close to Aso Villa. People should be careful with their actions sometimes.

Nobody is prevented from doing anything. There are some layouts in this same Uvwie that has been totally overran by non-indigenes especially Ijaws.

I've always wondered why we have refused to invest in tourism, considering how it could go a long way in solving some economic woes.

The photo below is from somewhere in Nigeria. It's of the River Ethiope in Abraka, Delta State.

Photo credits: @Julien_oc

propsad3:
I don't really get it. I stand to be corrected. Is 21st century banking system not supposed to be 100% cloud based. What is Microsoft Azure and Amazon AWS for nah

And Microsoft Azure and Amazon AWS don't have data centers? Is that what they told you ?