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IDENNAA:
You are shamelessly rretarded, son! Don't you guys have some dignity...just look at the loads of facts you are being trashed with and all you could do is call people mumu...lmao

Next time , respect yourselves.

Look at the account of fabrics produced in present day Anambra, at Onitsha and you have these guys claiming rubbish.

In the second, page, you can see the record where an Igbo man at Onitsha was already negotiating terms and agreement on how to go to Europe for exports and business in 1841. Instead of acting wild and savage

Omuaro38:
This Ijo rat is talking about Lord Lugard, don't hide behind Lord Lugard you dunce! before Lord Lugard or even the Europeans came into the picture Aro already had an existing confederacy, before Lugard we were already trading and using our war allies to expand our territory and influence from the Igbo hinterlands to the Niger Delta, before Lugard was in the picture we already had an existing civilization that the Europeans met on ground. While you Ijo savages (who by the way were described in the least complimentary manner and terms by the Europeans) were finally discovered in the thick mangrove swamps on your mosquito-infested habitats, you were still running around naked like stone age cavemen.

You are right, it is here on records in the 1800s that the Orus and Brass (Who are the Ijaws) used to go to Aro to pay respect, learn and pay homage...
The European had to go to buy some nicely crafted swords and other things.

CC: Idenna, Logan23

PHijo:
My biggest prayer is that Igbo people continue being deluded concerning Aro. Igbo people keep falling their hand big time!

I used to think they had small sense, I was wrong.

You see that I always present historical records... You guys on the other hand rely on sentiments and insults. One common thing amongst all you guys is failure to back your assertion with historical evidence and facts.
As I made my assertion, I gave the year and name of the record books where I got my information.

Bros! this is 2021 and I assume you are educated. If that is true, you of all people should know the importance of presenting records and facts from renowned recorded sources.

Chris525:
You declare ‘Best Educational performance in the whole nation’ without basis or context.

You’re educated and enlightened igbo brothers would be disappointed in you.

Guy stop acting dumb with me, you know the indices I am talking about... You can check the National bureau of statistics on education... You can get this information for free.

BKayy:
Guy don't tell me you actually think these Ogogoro drinkers are interested in history.
I've explained to them how they were at the mercy of Arọ for centuries before the white man came. I did it without quoting anything because the drunkards won't bother reading it

When Mr. Dan Owegie, the Edo guy called them Ogogoro people during the skirmish in Edo state, I thought he was not acting reasonably. It is a shame that some of them are proving it to be true. Find the statement below from the Bini people.

You are right, you can also find a record of them paying respect to the Aros. If they did not meet the Aros, I wonder what would become of them.

AdakaBoro8:
this history look like self fabricated one. cownu must have hand in this..

Oru the ancient tribe of africa never will pay homage to aro strangers.. abeg stop rewriting history like brain dead cownu.

If we say you people are dumb now, una go say we dey look down on you. You could see all through that I have been digging historical records from the 1800s to support my assertions but the only thing is being rude and wild.
You cannot even bring historical evidence...

Now, go and read
"Narrative of an exploring voyage up the rivers Kwóra and Bínue (commonly known as the Niger and Tsádda) in 1854. With a map and appendices. Pub. with the sanction of Her Majesty's government. by William Baikie.

While you are at it, check out the sketch of Prince Chukwuma... On the record, that cloth was homemade.

Chris525:
There’s no abundance of oil in the SE. The two south eastern states are the least producing in Nigeria.

You cant talk about these things, secession and all and not mention oil. Oil is crucial my man.

Do not worry, Firstly, they are not the least, and secondly, there are an abundance of oil and natural gas deposits... However, I can assure you that we understand the environmental problems associated with oil exploration within Nigeria and land is sacred to us, we rather not have the FG explore to destroy our land. We know the efforts we are making to prevent it until the future time if necessary.

Secondly, no you can survive without oil, countries like Japan, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Rwanda do not have crude oil and they are doing quite fine.
We have other strengths, in our vision of Biafra, oil will be a plus. Check the list of the top 10 richest men in the world, none of them deals in oil... That should tell you all you need to know... Oil will be a cherrz on top.

Chris525:
Okay noted. So they are the ones you are going with. Lol, okay.

Yeah! Those are our own brother and blood relatives.

Chris525:
What potentials do the south east have that are entirely theirs and are a birthright that are not obtainable elsewhere? You think too highly of yourself.

With all your wisdom and potentials, asides Ebonyi, nothing exciting is happening in the south eastern states. Is it a yoruba or hausa or ijaw man that is your governor?

Abi all these potentials are not for you lot to better your own good?

Ok. We are on top when it comes to educational performance consistently for the past 10 years in the whole nation...
That for us is more than enough...

Chris525:
Haha! Crude oil talk is stupidity in 2021? Really? Electric cars & solar tech is why the price of crude has been low? You are such a hilarious fellow.

How many barrels are being pumped in Anambra, Imo and Abia? Compared to Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa Ibom & Cross Rivers?

You know nothing about nothing.

Guy, there is no crude oil in Cross River state, at least now, they are not an oil-producing state.. But those are the people we are going along with and not the Ijaws.

Chris525:
You don’t leave today to fly into the future. You build the future from today. Oil is still a thing as at 2021 and will be till the next 10-15years if not more.

If you are more broadminded and read more you will notice asides the Igbos, there’s other tribes making strides as well, in many endeavors.

If the Igbo states have these deposits why forcing others to join then? Its got to be by choice. You cant force a people into your agenda, you buy them into it, if it doesn’t work you leave them alone.

Guy nobody ever forced you... Why are you guys sticking to false statements. It is actually some youths amongst you that are pushing to join now. When the struggle resurfaced, people just assumed that the old Biafra will be in place but right now, nobody ever forced you. In fact, I have always pushed for your exclusion and many other people share the same sentiments.

Secondly, you were the ones raising the issues of oil as if we do not have it in abundance. No other place in the whole of Nigeria had more coal deposit than Enugu but you see, asides from the historical name attached to Enugu, they do not talk or brag about it because they know that ultimately. that is not necessarily the most important thing.
We care more about our human resources and potentials despite our oil and other resources.

AdakaBoro8:
guy ask your elders why they refused to tell u igbo generation now about ther ugly histories?

i have notice, the only history they tell u is just passed 1970 genocide and abandoned properties..

u were use product of exchanges in goods.. ijaw remain una masters. we sold una for cheap rate of 1manila.

However, this is not what the history books say.
The Ijaws were also called Oru, Udso, Ejor, etc.

It is on record here in the 1800s that you were paying homage and going on pilgrimage to Aro people. Here is an account by Baikie.

"...The village, which is the first one in the Oru country, is named Agberi, and the chief, called Agbekiim, had been on board as we passed on our ascent. Since that time he had been on a pilgrimage to A'ro, to inquire why his wife had no children, and from this place he had but just returned....."

CC: Omuaro38, Logan23.

Chris525:
In the advent of a Niger Delta republic, they just need resource control, then the idea of Biafra becomes less appealing. Biafra will be offering the same Nigerian setup where resources from one region will be used to develop the whole country. I doubt if any oil producing state will want that after Nigeria. All the talk about seaports and whatever I consider bullocks. The possibility of Biafra being landlocked is not a disadvantage. There are landlocked countries doing quite well. Whatever the case, however they break, all the countries will still have to work together one way or the other whether they like it or not.

The Ijaws may have the numbers but in the reality of a Niger Delta Republic, the power bloc will most likely be the Edos and say Deltans. I say this because the Edos are just a state and contribute about the least oil from the Niger Delta but are still such a force at national level, they know the game. They were a force way before oil, they know how to play politics thats not hinged on ‘my oil’. Something I can not say for the Ijaws and some other tribes from the SS.

The Ijaws are a large number but lack a united and formidable front. Give them resource control, they’ll walk away from the centre, they may even turn on themselves.

When you people talk about oil, I see it as people without vision and have nothing else to offer. Do you know that Imo and Abia by legal definition of the NigerDelta are a part of it. Do you know that Abia and Imo state are both oil producing states (Also with very large deposits... even Anambra now... However, if you notice, they never talk about it, all they fight and bicker about themselves is about who is performing best in WAEC and JAMB and who is opening more industries, companies and innovations... They bicker about who has more big businessmen and who are putting up infrastructures and building houses.
The sooner Africans start thinking this way, the better for their advancement.

PHijo:
That somebody doesn't want to be part of Biafra is not in any way an endorsement of 'One Nigeria '.

I have listened to Asari and Nnamdi. Their definition of Biafra differs.

Their disagreement is that Asari said Biafra belongs to the Ijaws and if the Igbo choose to join they should on Ijaw people's terms and conditions while Nnamdi Kanu believes Biafra was a gift to him from Chukwuokikeabiama and he acts as if he is modern day Moses with Aaronic priestly functions.

The person who started this thread could as well be Igbo. Nnamdi Kanu in particular said he won't leave Nigeria until the Ijaw are added to the area he was offered.

For most Ijaws we have told Asari that even the name Biafra has historical relevance in Ijawland we should leave for the Igbos.

I only offences when people insult the Ijaw nation or take for granted the memories of our loved ones Biafran forces under Ojukwu's leadership raped or murdered.

As it is evident in this thread, the insults have come from either side, and as you find in this thread and even since 2015 after Jonathan left office, it is your people who have opened threads insulting Igbos. Check all the thread before 2015; when there is an attack on the Ijaws and other minority groups, Igbos quickly defend.
For most of us, we do not understand where the hate stems from....for a people we have supported and defended as "Brothers". Mind you, more than 60% of the Igbos have not even heard about Ijaw people before Jonathan; they regard all in Bayelsa and non-Igbo groups in Delta as people to support and defend.

So, it is good you know now, Biafra will be achieved, and Ijaw people are not part of it. No need to feel agitated.

ijawcitizen:
Yes we know that.
But why are you denying the existence of indigenous Igala speaking communities in Anambra and Enugu states?

This is to further shut you up with your lies.... The Igala community are well recognised and despite being less than 0..90% of the total population, they have been included in the governance of the state. They are so proud to be part of Anambra
This is how the Igbos roll, they hate injustice!

Allen102:
The 5 Eastern states in Nigeria are they 100% igbos? Of course not, you okoro savages always want to be clever by half.

When you wrote "savage", i thought you were talking about your people

IDENNAA:
Nnaa, I am not a fan of denigrating people but these Ijaw minions are biting more than they can chew. Bunch of inconsequential nitwits who simply became popular because they were blowing pipelines and oil wells.

Well, I will not totally agree with you... The Europeans also knew them for something else.. Read below, written around the 1830s..

Well, the Europeans agreed that they were rude and savage shaaa... LOL

PHijo:
One would take offence when people start throwing insults at people or the Ijaw nation for not being in support of the Biafran agitation.

The 'old Biafra' was not popular amongst the Ijaws too.

Why are you taking offence today? The Ijaw joining Biafra topic ended years ago and even the most extreme of the inclusive Biafra champions have excluded anything Ijaw. In fact, today, it is Asari that is running to Rauf Uwazurike and Massob take over the Biafran struggle in order to achieve Biafra in the absence of MNK. So, what are you taking offence today for something you have been excluded from since?
It was your fellow Ijaw man that opened this thread. The main Biafran agitators are not interested and do not want you guys joining so, please, know this so you can continue in your one Nigeria. Nobody will take you away from Nigeria, you hear?

PHijo:
This is where many of you get it wrong!
Technically we belonged to 3 out of the 4 defunct regions so this claim Ijaw was included because we belonged to the defunct eastern region holds no water!

We belonged to the defunct Midwest, East and West.

If there would be a referendum it will be on if we want to form our own country. Igbo people are not in a position to make poliitical choices for us. That's rude.

As I mentioned, people were going with the old Biafra, do you think majority know who Ijaws were until Jonathan? However, for the other half, they will rather not have you in the new Biafra... I personally would not want and a lot of people too would not want to include the Ijaws... SO, I do not see why you should take offence in the first place.

Logan23:
Nigeria population = 200 million.

Ijaw population = 10% of nigeria population.

Which is = 20 million people.

The only large ijaw block is Bayelsa and their population is 1.6million. Pls list those places where the remaining 18.4 million ijaws live in nigeria

Inside that 1.6 million, there are still minority groups like the Epie and Attisa, Engenni, Abureni, Ekpeye, Ogba, Urhobo and Isoko... Bayelsa is not totally, 100% Ijaw, I have been and I know people from the Yenegoa and Sagbama areas that are not Ijaw or Ijoid.

IDENNAA:
This is pure garbage. You don't even know where Nri communities are located, Olodo.

By the way , Aro was described as some of the most intelligent and organized groups in Southern Nigeria. Meanwhile, I am Nri decendant.

Ijaw didn't enslave anybody, you were just tools used by the Aro and the white man to make money.


Edit: Are you aware that the Igbo has no boundaries with Kanuri. If you want to know the origin of the red hat then you should ask us....lol



The oldest beaded artifact in west Africa was found at Igboukwu with ichi facial scarification. The Igbo beads are stone based and reddish.

Next time , don't start what you can't finish.

To support your assertions on the red cap. I have a well documented account Dr. Baikie noted down around 1854

IDENNAA:
Ijaw people are dense and lack cognitive abilities due to too much ogogoro. I should know because I am in the medical field. I have never come across an intelligent Ijaw man in person or online.

As a doctor, Dr. OIdfield's document in the 1830s presented a description of the people in the now present Nigeria.
I will not present the Ijaws because it will look like I am trying to presenting historical facts against them.
These are two different accounts.

Omuaro38:
Minority sewage Ijo rat, go and join your useless brothers in bursting oil pipelines and stop mentioning me upandan, I'm not the one who made your land polluted and your people poor, miserable, and condemned to the perpetuity of neglect.

Don't run faster than your shadows cause the Fulani herdsmen you have taken so much fancy to are currently pillaging your polluted region and butchering your people, like they did at Jonathan's hometown yesterday.

I don't need to reduce my worth to your Ijo filth, it's on historical record that my ancestors brought civilization to your domain while your people were still running around naked, I'm a proud Aro man and the equanimity of my heritage makes me superior to you in all ramifications of life, FUN FACT: in Aro history, it's still told till this day how we brought the first set of Europeans to your land for trading purposes, and were shocked to see your people running around naked while hiding behind shrubs and trees at the sight of men with cloths


If Igbos are a minority then Ijos are a sub-clan, not even up to the population of my small village in Aro-Ndizuogu, Imo state, accept your eternal minority status and know peace. And always remember Igbos taught you a bitter lesson when you tried to misbehave in 1966 under Isaac Boro and his brigands, it took us just 12 days to crush your Ijaw republic pipe dream.

I have at my disposal, many European documents written in the 1800s

This is just to give you further evidence.


1. Shows that the Europeans were marvedlled at how intelligent the Igbos were
2. Clearly stated that the king at Bonny was Igbo
3. This is to mark that that the Igbos at Bonny were regarded of higher intelligence and civilisation than the others at Bonny.
4. This shows that the Igbo women were regarded as the prettiest even for the European racists.

Daytonbale:
there is no Ijaw in Akwa Ibom , I live in Akwa Ibom for 30years . Akwa Ibom have 31 Local government which local government do we have Ijaw

Bro, it seems you do not understand something, The ijaws have been going around in the name of IYC looking for minority groups to claim as Ijaw. They have been doing that in Abia state, Imo state, all the SS states... They are currently clashing with Bini people who are also on the same mission. The goals to create a franchise under the umbrella name of their respective ethnic groups. The goal is to form a large ethnopolitical body that they can control.
They have convinced one of the youths from the Obolo groups who are just riverine Ibibio with a different dialect.

PHijo:
No, we were civil. It is your Igbo people who disrespected us, laid claims to our communities etc. No one will watch anyone disrespect his history and heritage.

Igbo people voted Jonathan because they felt he was a better option against Buhari.

Was there any special benefit Ijaw people got from Jonathan being president?

The primary beneficiaries were the Igbo and Yoruba. If they were foolish enough to replace Jonathan with Buhari it is on them not us!

As Ijaw people we never asked Nigeria for their presidency. What we asked for was homogeneous Ijaw states and 50 percent derivation like it was before the civil war and greater autonomy.

We have always been open and are always open to working with any group in Nigeria if it is of mutual benefit.

We don't see Biafra as something that would benefit us as Ijaw people and I wonder why Igbo people can't respect that. You don't own us!

None of you try to guilt trip Yoruba or Fulani people when you vote them! Jonathan lost because he was associated with Igbo people by the powers that be. He made an Igbo man chief of army staff, a thing that had never happened since 1970 and since his departure no Igbo has been included in Nigeria's security architecture.

The issue was never competition. If competition is fair we can thrive. Under the now defunct eastern region nepotism was prevalent.

Yes, Igbo were threatened to be thrown into the lagoon in Lagos, is it only Ijaw and Igbo people that are suffering from Buhari's misrule? Both the Fulani and Yoruba are suffering too. Every ethnic nation is suffering too.

We didn't ask people to support Jonathan because he was Ijaw, we asked them to support him because he was the better candidate between the major contenders.

Sometimes our being reasonable in a country people are not being reasonable has been our greatest undoing as Ijaw people.

Please, be fair in your assessment, check the front page where known anti-Igbo agents like the adakaboro guy and others came cursing the OP and the other Igbo respondents.

No, Jonathan did not lose because he was associated with the Igbos, he lost because Buhari partnered with the Yorubas to get more votes from the south. Secondly, there was already a strong voters apathy within the South East because the resurgence of the pro-biafra resurgence was getting stronger although there was a strong unflinching support within the large Igbo groups living outside of the SE... In Lagos for example. Buhari has always maintained his 12 million vote base, always.
We had other Igbos we could vote for, but they adopted your son.

As to who benefited more, nope the North benefited more and not the Igbos.

It was after Jonathan's loss that the strong anti-Igbo hates from Ijaws surged. At a time where they Igbos were being mocked and booed. The guys we took the fall for now joined in the mockery and showed your true feelings.

On the issue of Biafra, the strongest of the extremist have always voted for choice in a referendum. Nobody ever have ever forced you to join. It was even Dokubo that championed for the Ijaw people before his fall out with MNK.

Now, most people are strongly believe in the Ijaw exclusion because it is obvious you didn't ride with us. We have included you in the past because we were part of the same region and seen the same but as you have shown betrayal now and in the past for the dream (which I won't blame you for it) we have accepted and excluded you in the most amicable way.

So, I don't think you guys need to make any fuss.. Ijaw is not part of Biafra, neither is Edo or Edoid groups.

PHijo:
You are right!
They are just being petty and stupid. Atedo Peterside is the first to start an investment bank in Nigeria. He was in his 30s when he started . Professor Tam David West was one of Nigeria's best virologists.

Many of them don't even know Nigeria's first SAN was an Ijaw man. Even the ICC I saw one of them boast some days ago that an Igbo man heads, an Ijaw man has been the head before!

Being boastful is not in our nature. I will not let them provoke me to start mentioning names. It serves our interests if they keep on guessing who is Ijaw or is not.

Even in their schools in Igboland you always had more Ijaw than Igbo in the schools. When they took over in the 50s and 60s ethnicity instead of merit became the requirement for education.

Their teachers even went as far as sending Ijaw kids out of the classes when they had to teach!

People like late Chief Marshall Harry happened to be a victim of their attitude.

There are a lot of Ijaw people doing well in terms of business, I don't mention them before they choose to sabotage them. Nigeria is not a country where people operate fairly. That has been a drawback for many Ijaw people because we can't do the dirty things many of them do.

You are acting like a victim now when it was you guys that started the hate when majority of people who replied the OP were civil and showing him true love for his neutral stance.
If we mention people on Atedo Peterside and Prof. Tam David west's level, a whole thread will not be enough, so let's leave it be.

Now, to the mater of maltreatment, you know that you are just conjuring up words, Igbos believe in the spirit of competition, even amongst ourselves because it brings out the best in us. If those who claim to be a victim of healthy competition cannot cope, how is it our fault?

You say we do not show you, love, do you know how many Igbos were victimised because we chose to support, Jonathan your son? People in the SW even thought he was an Igbo man because of the way the Igbos rallied around him and supported him unconditionally. In Lagos, do you know the Igbos were threatened to be drowned (not the Ijaws) in the Lagoon because of the fierce support for Jonathan and the candidate he picked in Lagos?
I was warning my family members who were putting themselves at risk defending and adopting Jonathan as "our son" in Lagos because they knew he was a Bayelsa man but they supported him even though he did practically nothing for the Igbo people.

I guess you guys saw it as a sign of weakness or your true colour just revealed itself after he left. Even here on Nairaland, the Igbos were mocked for Jonathan's loss... what did you guys do? Instead of rallying around them, you turned around to create hate-filled threads too. Then now you turn around to claim victims...

ijawcitizen:
Yes we know that.
But why are you denying the existence of indigenous Igala speaking communities in Anambra and Enugu states?

The denial is only in your head. They are even very much happy to be in Anambra state and they are being treated well.. In fact, the news is also delivered to them specially in Igala language even though they are bilingual in Igbo and Igala.
However, have you given the same privileges to the Urhobos and Isoko in Bayelsa?

PHijo:
You are not making sense!

Oga, there is an indigenous Isoko speaking community in Bayelsa state in Sagbama LGA.

PHijo:
We don't have Isoko in Bayelsa and if only you know the shared history between the Urhobo and Ijaw you wouldn't be asking that question.

The current deputy governor is one of such people. He can pass for Ijaw or Urhobo.

There is an Isoko group in Bayelsa and they are not being treated well by the Ijaw majority... Their village are on the brink of extinction from erosion and underdevelopment.
CC: efewestern

Omuaro38:
My goodness... So all these garbage you wrote are your evidence of Igbos trying to join your useless IYC? how and when did we claim your traditional attire? When Igbos were weaving and making unique fabrics and textiles called Akwete (Google it and educate your daft self) your fathers were still running around naked in the creeks while spearhunting for fishes! can any Ijaw historical artwork or metallurgy if anything of the sort even existed (considering how primitive your ancestors were) come close to the artistic finesse of Igbo-Ukwu? when Akwa blacksmiths were making unique bronze artifacts, metal works and woodcarving /crafts... your nearthandal Ijaw ancestors were still stuck in the stone age of no known form of civilization as a Eureka of human renaissance. So how then did we steal your traditional attire when you never had any special skill, artisanship or civilization? Dude are you actually mentally alright upstairs at all? you're really insufferable! not only are you a cretin of ignominious standards, it's also obvious you have jelly for brains and sawdust for braincells. It's a complete waste of time even engaging you any further SMH.

LOL. Go easy on them biko... I know they can be emotional sometimes... LOL
By the way this was recorded about the Ijos in the 1830s... I think most of them are mistaking the love and support given to GEJ unconditionally as a sign of weakness.

PHijo:
Are you illiterate or you just choose to be stupid?

Ijaw people in Edo state are on their ancestral land. They happen to be in Edo state because Nigeria placed them in Edo state.

Nevermind, it is obvious you did not understand my question.

PHijo:
The Ijaws are one of the aboriginal ethnic nations of Nigeria. It shouldn't be a surprise that you would find them in nearly every part of Nigeria. However we don't accept people who are not historically Ijaw.

The Igbo have been begging to be affiliated with the Ijaw, they've been begging to be part of IYC but we've always rejected them and we will continue to reject them.

IYC is not like Ohaneze ndi Igbo where Bini people are your leaders.

Ok. If that makes you feel better.
However, why are the Ijaws and IYC at war with Bini people for doing practically the same thing?