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Kinematics:
See this one. Engenni, Abua, Odual, Ogbia, Epie are all central Edoid/Ijoid. So whats your point?

Oga Ogbia people are classified under Cross-Riverians. They are closely related to Cross River people. Of all the languages and ethnic people in Southern Nigeria, the Ijoid people are the only ones not Benue-Congo people. Stop turning your education upside down.

There is nothing like central Edoid/Ijoid... Engenni, Epie and Abua might share some of your culture but the people, their DNA and language is Edoid and nothing close to Ijoid.

Sufferingboy:
Anything you like do to okowa,he is a politician.We have been saying it for long,that we are not igbos yet una dey force us.Nobody steal your appointment,you guys are not wise,Igbos play politics of emotion.We don't.
I guess you have a daughter or a sister,na her breast I go suck instead of feeding bottle.

Are you reading another thing. The person you replied hardcore rejected you and you are here saying they are forcing you? Everyone here rejected your type and you are here saying they are forcing you.. except NwanyiOgwachi here whom everyone here can vouch for her good reputation and who know many high ranking proud Ika people, no one else here is asking you to be Igbo.

Please, can you point anyone else? That is because your kind are insignificant in the scheme of things.

Kinematics:
Fixed!

Oga go sleep, If anything, Engenne is Edoid. Na wetin people like truthshots dey use draw map for una.

OfoIgbo:
It is also clear you are an imposter. You are definitely a Benin boy applying your usual divide and conquer.

No Ika man will ever speak against Asaba, so it is so obvious you are a Benin person in the payroll of Benin expantionists

Nah! He is from where he say he is, many of them shiver at the sight of a Bini man. They can lick the shit of a Bini man if the Bini man so demands. The stockholm syndrome still exist. However, do not get in wrong, many proud Ika people in Abavo, snapped out of this already. So sometimes you might not tell cos they have extremist on the three ends. Some want to be Bini so bad, while some are extremely and proudly Igbo (especially from Abavo), while some hate being called Ika and want to identify as their own entity (many people of Agbor extraction). With these guys, it is a bedlam of confusion.

Either ways, they actually add nothing to Ndigbo. They have no extensive river, except for one that looks like a lake cut off from other water bodies.

goatgoat093:
My ancestors never ate humans, rather they civilized your nearthandal forebears who hunted fishes with spears naked, wore tree barks as cloths and hid behind thick mangrove swamps at the first sight of civilization. Some of the most prominent Nigerians in the world are Igbos, nobody even knows one single famous Ijo person except Burna boy who gravitates more to his yoruba side.

And you have to explain yourself, otherwise you won't die a good death for been a facetious revisionist.

Burnaboy is Engenne and not Ijaw. Engenne language is similar to Isoko and Urhobo.

shadeyinka:
How did we all now come to trust these people?
How did we come to believe that there is now a truce: no more war!

The Fulani are master strategist. Even though less than 5% of the population of Nigeria, they've been using deception to rule us all.
They do it using the concept of divide and rule and Taqqiyya where they ultimately become the sole beneficiary of the confusion.

Well, the black man does not read. Simple! These things were in history book all over the European library. Why do you think Ahmadu Bello was murdered by Southern soldiers? He was making these claims openly and their plans.
They still use the same strategy, they can settle within your land for decades, that first set will or might be peaceful with no problems..However, that is the first phase, the second set will use the information from the first to take over. Same blueprint.

See, this quote. What do you think Ahmadu Bello was alluding to?

shadeyinka:
I completely agree with you. But I don't think there was any major battle. It was more like Palace Coup for each of the Hausa kingdoms in the name of Religion.

The Hausa people because they were already muslims converts hated the voodoo practice of their leaders and were willing to take "this Imam" as their Amir or Emir. With the cooperation of Hausa peole, they killed or drove away their "so called fetish" kings and set up themselves for slavery in the name of Allah. There history has been rewritten by complete strangesrs.

Many Hausa people will rather want to Identify themselves with the Fulani rather than their own kind.
Its sure a pity!

This was the account written in the 1800s. This is the summary of the event.
They came as visitors, surveyed the area and planned the takeover.

Truthshots:
This precolonial map disagrees with you.

All Anioma are Edo. Fact is fact.

Stop spamming the thread with your dirty fake map. Your Bini people are only 2 LGAs. Deal with it. You people are a super minority. Ijaw nation is way stronger than your 2 LGAs. Stop spaming the thread with fake maps. Your obas do not even know their date of birth until the British people came...

Truthshots:
It is a historical fact that the ancestors of the people of the southeast were cannibals. However annoying it is, fact is fact.

It seems that you have a serious mental problem. Anytime anyone post facts and truths, you throw tantrum and cry to the mods and still break the same rule.

I now see how you and @sufferingboy relates, both of you have a similar character and it shows that he is really under the Bini conquest..
However, limit your 1X2 kingdom to Ika and stop your expansionist tendencies to Enuani.

Truthshots:
Why do you guys keep trying to drag me into a dick measuring contest ?

How should I tell you I don't give a shit ?
You are free to keep inventing your revisionist history and taking things out of context to suit your agenda.
I will only answer with logics: the war Britain fought against Benin was called: Benin expedition, the name was given to it even before the invasion started.
Also, Benin was the military superpower of the region, make of that what you may.

Abeg! The only defence you had was stinking up the place with corpses. It was women and children who had to fight the war for you. Boy, this is public knowledge. We do not say this because many people actually had pity on what happened and did not see it appropriate but the way you guys are going around claiming and trying to fight Yorubas and Igbos, you guys will be put in your place and reminded of how powerless you actually are in the scheme of things.

Fake news, which one is BNL?

Truthshots:
1) I didn't say that, I said they were not Edo proper.
2) Edo is an ethnicity, not a land. You are confusing with Edo-State which is a land.
3) Ijo are quasi nomadic, but it is none of your business, I will discuss that with them.

Are Ijaws not native and aborigines of Edo state?

dared0637:
I've been following this thread and decided to silently observe, but as an Anioma man from Ibusa, it's time I address your madness once and for all. You claimed to be from Anioma, what community in Anioma are you from?

He is not an Anioma, I had a debate with him yesterday, he is an Edo man. He is just a lying fella.

Truthshots:
Actually there was no such thing as Edo state back then, what we had was called the Midwestern region of which today's Edo-State and Delta state are subteritory.

Also, you are boasting for the fact that your armed and trained Biafran soldiers overpowered unarmed and untrained peaceful civilians. I don't get it, is this your war exploit ? In case you forgot, the Benin army was disbanded after the war against Britain.
Your Biafran soldiers were fighting against Nigerian army, not Benin army !

Point of correction. The dominion of the British against Bini in 1897 was so brief it was not called a war, it was called the Benin Expedition. The one called a proper war was the Anglo-Aro wars against the Arochukwu people which took almost a year against the relatively small Aro confederacy. aro8und 1901 to 1902.

Truthshots:
Once again Anioma are not Igbo !
The fact you even ask this your question shows how little you actually know.

The only people on that list whom are not Edo proper are the ijo.

This makes me think you might be a teenager or a very dull adult.

What did you think "Edo" stands for in Omo n'Oba n'Edo ?

@AdakaBoro8, Why is this guy claiming that Ijos are not native to Edo.. He is reinforcing the mindset of many Edo people that Ijaws are rather visitors in Edo state...

ThumbzTNA:
Tah. The only thing the colonialists quoted Benin for was their affinity to making human sacrifices. Even when the Brits invaded Benin, the entire palace was littered with human sacrifices and it had a putrid stench.

Well, they used to stench as the only self-defence, If not for the stench of the city, the British would have destroyed them in a few hours during the British expedition. The few British soldiers had to wait to get used to the stench. It took Biafra less than a day to take over the whole of Edo state and even installed a president and flag.
The reality of being a 1 by 2 LGA that can be recolonised in a few hours gives them nightmares.

The truthshots guy is a confirmed emotional Bini guy with a complex.
He had a debate with a small Yoruba girl and was terribly disgraced with facts.

Valkrie:
Bro, what are you saying, esn first attacked the army? Haba make una fear God small nah...these whole debacle started in orlu when ESN was given the fulani marauders a bloody nose and as usual went and call in the police to come and help them battle ESN..the police came in, saw fire and ran away abandoning some vehicles, next they called in the army to come and do the dirty job and again ESN repelled them and in the firefight the Nigerian army lost personnels and they all ran away even leaving behind their dead...from then on you can complete the story...it was the Nigerian armed forces in the bid to do the marauding fulani bidding that attacked the ESN first...the whole story is in the public domain abi you get short memory ni..? Haba let for ones say the truth nah...!!!

You are wasting your time replying that guy, You think he does not know the truth?

Igboid:
Even Ohaneze Ndiigbo and Igbo World Congress now support ESN.

In 2023, to win governorship election in Igboland, you must declare support directly or indirectly to ESN. Because you can't govern a people you can't protect.

Governors get Billions in Security votes . Imagine if we have those billions channelled towards procuring weapons and enlisting more men in ESN. Imagine how much more powerful we can become. How much more we can achieve.

This is why sensible Igbos had hoped that IPOB would have established a political wing cum party that would wrestle the political power in SE from the current non entities who are subservient to Fulani power brokers like their mentor Asika Ukpabi.

Well, that was what I was telling you people. You cannot win by just having intelligentsia or being politically correct or by knowledge alone. IPOB is necessary. You need to make the enemies think twice before they do shit with you or even make national decisions.

However, when people like you too come out to throw dirt on them, I just wonder if you actually know how useful they are in the scheme of things or the plan Nigeria have got for the Igbos.

Umahi thought he was intelligent by bowing to the Northern powers and agreeing to all Miyetti Allah's demands and Ohaneze selling their soul to Miyetti Allah... IPOB do not need to get into politics, all they need are governors who support secretly and act as if they know nothing openly... This is where the Northern leaders are far ahead of us. Ours think they are great and receive favours by being politically correct and suppressing their own people. A lot of Igbo people have that complex. They think that by castigating their own, they will somehow be loved by outsiders.
Even if you are working for politician and you think they somehow go against their personal agenda, you do not know that right now that is a suicide mission because with each fracas, more people are coming to the side of IPOB.

@Eastlink and Igboid, oya come tell me what you and your Igbo intelligentsia have in response to this type of trouble since IPOB is bad?

Truthshots:
1) who was the first ooni of ife to copy the word Oba into his title: adesoji aderemi.
He also created a beaded crown as a way to copy the benin crown. (the fake crown in the picture below)

2) there is no such thing as Edo, igbo or yoruba etymology. Anybody using such as argument is either intellectually bankrupt either morally bankrupt, anyways his argument is trash.

3) the yoruba have a habbit of copying other people's cultures:

a) they first copied the word "sir" which is a mark of british nobility: ooni of ife, sir adesoji.
b) after some time they changed that borrowed word for an other borrowed word "Oba" the title of the King of benin: it then became "ooni of ife, oba adesoji"
c) adesoji also imitated the benin crown
d) the current crown worn by the ooni of ife is an imitation of a statue which was found in ife
e) the current dress of the ooni of ife is an imitation of the royal uniform of the king of the ashanti.

4) Benin has a true history, ife has fairytales.
5) benin has architecture, ife has fairytales of rambo/oduduwa dropping from the sky in egypt strait into ife with a golden parachute/chain.
6) Benin actually fought a war against britain, ife once again has fairytales of great warriors
7) Benin city got burnt into ashes, ife didn't yet no architecture, nothing to show in ife.
8 ) at this point it feels like a big insult to even dare pronounce benin and ife in the same sentence in anybody's dream.
indeed, ife remains a village, a make-belief rubbish elevated by the invaders becuase the ooni of ife was a backstabbing traitor to the cause the black race. The ooni of ife served the british instead of fighting the british, coward if you ask me.

How comes there are still strong Yoruba traditions in far away Cuba and Brazil? The history of blacks in Brazil endured from the 1530 and Yoruba culture have a strong influence there and people still talk about them till today. How come Benin culture is now 90 percent fairy tales and wishful thinking than actual history?
You guys should correct these trends in fake history, people are now looking at you as clowns and that makes a ridicule of all your great king have actually achieved.

nengibo:
Mumu go shift post as usual, don't learn basic structure before coming to show your ignorable online, maybe because Yoruba and Igbo are both Volta congo, they're the same people and speak the same language, ode

Go school una go go go... So, you do not know that Yoruboids, Edoids and Igboids all similar people?
Even Cross-Rivers is of Benue-Congo?
You were here claiming Ijaw and Ogbia are from one language cluster only for you to bring an evidence that contradicts that.

TAO11:
I agree! Their collective mental disorder actually centers largely around the ‘minority complex’.

Yes has done that severally. He usually pulls one of three cards whenever he gets thoroughly beaten with facts.

He either, report to the mods that Benin is being bullied; or he deactivates his account; or he threatens that he would commit suicide if I don’t stop.

Suicide? I have seen a lot of tantrums from these guys. I have seen one who claimed that Yorubas and Igbos who claimed that his life is being destroyed when he was presented with facts. Honestly, I do not understand this disorder.
Suicide? ahh!!! This takes the crown!
Minority complex disorder is actually a thing mehn.

nengibo:
ibos always see the need to rush and talk rubish how is Ogbia in the same cluster as Ibibio

If you were so bright you would have seen that they are all Cross-River and then under Delta-Cross Languages. That is why they are in the same language cluster.
Nigerian education self. You screenshot something una no still understand am.

As you can see from this tree, Ijaw and Ijoid languages are not even anywhere close to the Benue Congo language, talk more of Cross-Rivers.

TAO11:
I’m not kidding you about their delusions of ruling Japan.

Their reason lies in the fact that an old Japanese city used to be called ‘Edo’. So, that coincidence of oman orthography is all that matters to Bini lunatics to blow their usual delusions.

Imagine if Oyo-Yoruba people claimed that Oyo ruled up to Australia — just on the basis of a coincidence of roman orthography of an Australian city by the name ‘Katunga’ which is councidentally the same spelling for the old name of Oyo-Ile, viz. ‘Katunga’

Like I said before, Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam the streets.

I hate to say this, but I believe they suffer a minority complex. They feel so small and vulnerable... However, the way they are going about this whole thing eh, it is not normal anymore, and it gets even crazier with time.

I believe a day before yesterday, this same guy had to report a thread that did not even involve them... He came with spurious Bini claims as usual and he was destroyed with facts. He went crying to the mods and reported that people are planning to annihilate Bini people, that was how the thread that did not even concern Bini was closed. A 20-page long thread...
If you beat him with more facts, he will go crying to the mods to close this thread.

Well, the only good terrorist herder is a dead one.
Miyetti Allah people have gone mysteriously silent.

TAO11:
That’s hilarious! I’ve actually never heard of their Congo delusions before sha. These Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam.

Anyways, they believe that their Oba ruled from Benin city to Japan — Yes, Japan. I’m not kidding. So if their delusions cover Japan, then Congo is child’s play for their delusions. So, I agree absolutely.

He actually escaped to live in the forest. But was later banished to Calabar after he cam out of hiding.

Japan? please, tell me you are joking! Did they use British Airways or Royal Air Maroc? These guys are hilarious I swear!
I will not doubt that you saw Japan... Please, go to their group on Facebook, Great Bini descendants.. You will laugh and fall on the floor. They churn up these fake histories every day with fake dates. People whose grandfathers do not even know their date of birth were claiming history from 200 B.C Bro, no jokes!!

What makes it funnier is that all their "Almost literate" followers believe the fables... I swear men!

TAO11:
Anyone with at least, one brain cell knows that Oyo-Ile was deep in the hinterland; no where near the coast; and as such poses more risk for the Europeans to access in the early centuries.

The specific risk here being the risk of death from natural illnesses which are characteristic feature of the deep expanse of forest they must navigate.

I have disgraced you on this before. Do you like to be disgraced repeatedly?


This has been thoroughly debunked as an aberrantly false interpretation Dennett.

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

Benin hallucinations are allowed.

Please do not blame them for preaching these lies, that is what they are being fed, and that is why they do not have facts to back up their claims...Go to their Facebook groups; they even claimed that they ruled the whole Congo (I am not joking). When I saw this propaganda printed, I was very shocked that they all believed it with fake gregorian dates.

Please read the Benin Expedition of 1897. How come a "strong kingdom" was destroyed in a few days? The Oba escaped to Calabar. The British soldiers were just a few part-time explorers.

nengibo:
There are dialect clusters and influences from neighboring tribes but the root remain the same , will an Ikwerre man that grows up in Uk, be the same with one in Rumuji

Please, research a word before using it.. What is a dialect cluster? Ijo and Ijoid languages are very different from other language clusters in the South of Nigeria. Languages like Engenne are in a different language cluster group with Edoid languages while Ogbia is in the same cluster with Ibibio.
Kalabari and Wakrike are in the Ijoid language group.
The average Nigerian seems to know nothing about linguistic classifications.

Igboid:
What many don't know is that GEJ was more of an Ibibio man than Ijaw man.

Ogbia , GEJ ethnic group are related to Ibibio. Their language is Ibibiod and they should be part of Ibibio ethnicity or at least be acknowledged as an affiliated group politically to Ibibio like Itsekiri is to Yorubas. But Ibibios are so disunited that are too pre occupied with their inter clan squabbles (Efik, Annang, Oron refusing the proper Ibibio tag) that the expansionist Ijaws had moved in and claimed Ogbia, even when there is no link whatsoever between Ogbia language and Ijaw language.

Problem with Ibibio docility in Ogbia is that it has emboldened Ijaws who are now moving in on Ibeno, Andoni, Eastern Obolo and even Oron.

Yes, they are on the hunt for Egbema Rivers too, but met the same setback they are meeting in Ndoki, because majority of Egbema people are in IMO state and hence kept those in Rivers well immune from IYC and INC expansionist agenda.

The Edos are expansionists themselves and in them, Ijaw have met their type.
Ijaw thinking they have consolidated on Edo communities in Bayelsa and Rivers, namely Udekeme(Degema), Engenni(Burna boy clan) and Epie-Attissa( Edo owners of Yenegoa) went on to try their luck in Edo state and got their hands burnt.
Now Great Bini descendants, a Bini expansionist group are in Engenni, Epie, Udekeme , holding annual meetings with their traditional leaders ,who send delegates back to Bini to meet Oba Bini , pledging allegiance to the Edos.
What this means is that even Yenegoa, the supposedly Ijaw capital will not be part of Ijaw future country, because Edos have a geniuine claim there and the Epie Attissa people are obsessed with their Bini origin, which their language being Edoid confirms and with Oba Bini palace giving them open arm welcome, there is only going to be one outcome in the future.

I was on Ijaw platform and the INC and IYC operatives were fumming about the activities of GBD in those Edoid communities in Bayelsa and Rivers state. I was laughing my ass off as an invisible observer as usual.

A lot of things are happening behind scenes in this part of the country.

Mehn a lot!! I have still not recovered from the Oron and Ibeno shock. I guess the Ibibios are more concerned with their inter-tribal fights within themselves than getting together to unite against invaders. Communities in old Bende still attend a lot of occasions and Ekpe festivals together with groups in Akwa-Ibom, Cross Rivers and Cameroon but each respect their boundaries at the end of the day, despite shared history. I guess the Ibibiod/cross River groups do not have a united front. I think it is also about oil. Once Ibiboi found oil, they automatically discovered that they are distinct, the same as Oron and Ibeno.

Ogoni tried to unite these Ibiboid groups and play the role of the bigger Ibibio (especially outside of the Akwa/Cross areas) but like the Ijaws, jealousy will not allow them, so they were concentrating on Igbo communities and lost and even failed to unite with Eleme in their backyard and instead they became bitter enemies. An Eleme man will cut you alive if you call him an Ogoni man.

The bigger problem is that many of these minority groups are very unenlightened, it is so easy to plant confusion within them that they do not know where they stand. All you need to do is to quote the fictional year 1472 (When in reality we do not have a single record of gregorian dates in this region or written records or even archaeological evidence confirming these dates) and some of these people will wallow in confusion.
These smaller groups in those areas do not even know that they are being played like ping-pong and there is a battle for their soul, and that some of the expansionist are not in search of truth.

Igboid:
Why are they Ezes and not Peres? How many Ezes do we have in Ijawland?
Which Eze in Ndoki land bear Ijaw name? Which town in Ndoki land bear Ijaw name?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezeolisa_Allagoa
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Daukoru


You Ijaws are mad trying to do this your rubbish in Ndoki land, you are done claiming Ibibiod groups in Bayelsa like Abua, Odual, Ogbia, because Ibibios are not so organized to reach out to these their ancient relatives, that's why you are now claiming Ibeno, Andoni Eastern Obolo and recently you have also in your madness added Oron.

The Edo are a bit expansionists themselves and so are not going to give up on their Edoid brothers in Udekeme, Engenni and Epie Attisa who you Ijaws have claimed too. You think you only have Gelegele to settle with Edo, I laugh because you don't know what you are dealing with.

You will meet your Waterloo in Ndoki land. Ndiigbo are very aware of your moves there, you will so crushed and as punishment, we will move for Opobo and Queensland.

Wait till the current Igbo docile generation Manning Ohanaeze and Political positions are gone, you are not in any way ready to deal with the upcoming Igbo generation .

Even Oron and Ibeno? wow! these Ibiboid/Efiks people are not organised at all... It seems the IYC expansion is all about oil... That is why they scream our oyel our oyel in any conversation. They think others are like them. How could one go as far as Obolo and Oron. Na the Oron and Ibeno shock me... It is no longer about numbers and influence alone, It is now about oil. At least on the Bini expansion side, you could see they also go for their Edoid groups aside from biting off from subgroups under the major ethnic groups (Igbo and Yoruba) but Ijaw's expansion seem to be about oil and numbers. It was when the IYC started hunting for Egbema in Imo state (an oil-producing community) that their objective became obvious)
N:B; Coming to think of it, the Bini expansion is also about oil too... I can see a pattern.