stanliwise:

so what is the truth?

Read. I can't do that for you

lebienconnu:
The fact that the first pathologist did not open the oesophagus, trachea and the lungs has completely invalidated his conclusion on Acute Lung Injury secondary to chemical intoxication like Dr Soyemi rightly said.

He left so much room for doubt. Only God knows what he is passing through now with MDCN.

Him and the doctor treating him for malaria should be facing MDCN

Omololaeni:
Both the poster and those that replied immediately know what they are doing, they planned to post what they posted. May God Judge you all.

God judge you too

chigator2:


Heartless fellow,

Please tell us what was the cause of death.
He died of natural causes ba ?

Whatever the illness, it began in school under the custody of the school. Hold them responsible.

Ask yourself who the real heartless person is one stating the facts or the one who wants to hold on to false allegations despite evidence.

Go and read every question has been answered

phineas:
Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

Thank you. How do you see straight facts and still hold on to a false sentiment

IFNOTGOD:



I know you don't have a parent likewise family members

Seriously you should be called for questioning and It really something for you to be holding brief and defending the school on naira land.

It really shows you know one or two things about this case and with advent in technology it makes it easy for the police to bring you in for questioning relating to the boys death and I can bet you know something

Bless you too

IFNOTGOD:


Stop giving ursef kudos cos what you just quoted is rubbish?

The parents responsibility was shifted to the school that was why they sent him to a boarding school and presently our society has shifted parenting and early childhood training to the school.

If I may ask was the boy in his parents house?

It is just like you doing comprehensive insurance for your car n then the insurance says your car had an accident and you should fix it ursef.

Stop reasoning low key.

A child got insured in school n you still spew trash all for mention.

First things first Dowen has every responsibility to explain how the boy sustained an injury and submit a report on how it degenerated and led to his death.

Go and read about HSE and why multinationals will do anything to protect a site when there is an issue and a very minor one at that.

During award they record incidence and accident.

A boy got injured in the yard during horse play from hot metal during welding, director came and we lied he fell on the stove at home, that was it, site nurse was sacked because she didnt treat, record or ask questions.

Guy please hide ur crass ignorance.

Like I said them need to call you for questioning

I can see the good Job your own parents did teaching you to debate logic without insults or maybe they left the whole responsibility of raising you for the school you attended.

When you are ready to debate without curses I will respond

AfroKnight:


Are you sure you responded to the correct person? Check again o. Cos I’m the one who should be typing that to you going by the nature of your replies to me. But it doesn’t matter anyway.

Calm down before typing. Now send this to the intended party.

..

I sincerely apologise

wirinet:


As I have said many times, the Orominyi family has a huge part of the blame in sylvesters death and their handling of the issue would make it almost impossible for any court to find Dowen College or the accused boys guilt of murder or even manslaughter.

Having said that, Dowen College has civil (not criminal) liabily for the death of Sylvester. They were negligent on many fronts and don't seen to have a good monitoring system for their boarding facilities.

What I am after is for us all to learn a lesson from this and improve our schooling system. Many parents including myself are afraid to send our children to boarding school. I was making arrangements to send my 13 year old to a boarding school next session, my wife and I have reconsidered that idea, because of the horrible stories we have been hearing.

I fully agree with this. It is a huge lesson not only to Dowen but all schools.

IFNOTGOD:



You are dumb and stop spewing your ignorance all over, seems like you have not even worked in a standard organization.

Define first aid?

Akuya

Your parents should be proud of what they raised

AfroKnight:


Lol. Are you for real now? You should take your own advise. It would be interesting for you to show me how his blistered lips are a symptom of sepsis from his ankle wound.

Read up first I can't do that for you

wirinet:


I don't know about the school policy we operate, but I know that most elite schools are attached to hospitals for which the patents pay for, and they are taken to those hospitals in terms of emergency.

Are you telling us that if a Sickle Cell patient have a crisis, they would have to wait for the patents to arrive before taking the child to a hospital?

Most parents with kids with health issues sign consent forms for this so the child can be rushed to the hospital.

From the family witness and their family doctor testimony the Oromoni family didn't believe in hospital they preferred church and they didn't mention giving consent to the school and the school failed to use it

AfroKnight:


Lol. So it’s football injury that blistered his mouth too?

How about the police commissioner who said both autopsies are in agreement? No comment on that? So where did those names come from? Why those specific boys?

Why blisters in his mouth but the pathologist claims no bruises in oesophagus and stomach?

Omo! We are actually witnessing the government moving from being the prosecutor to surreptitiously defending the suspects.

Thank God the family leaked the first autopsy ordered by the same Nigeria Police. The government would have hidden the truth from the public.

When they ask you to read you will not. Google sepsis and see if blisters is one symptom or not

seborrhic:

I am assuming he would be brought when the family lawyer opens its own case by calling its own witnesses or does a coroner inquest operate differently?

The family has called all its witnesses already. All the family has left is a video they brought Last week which the School asked for time to study and authenticate

wirinet:


I now suspect you are a paid hack for Dowen College or one of the accused boys. You attack everyone that make any comment against Dowen or any of the accused.

The teacher cannot go and testify as a witness for the family because the matter is not yet in court. If The matter gets to court then the teacher can be summoned as a prosecution witness for the family.

I suspect you are a paid propagandist by the family to keep pushing their lies.

The matter is at Inquest anybody can be summoned to testify

wirinet:
Please read the quote you posted 2 or 3 times so you can comprehend. This is just external examination and reasons were given for the various marks on the body.

Vertical marks on the chin - post mortem injury.

Circular injury on the right ankle - a recent injury. Circular injury around the ankle means skin abrasion caused by hand.

Reddening on the lower part of the two legs - embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body.



I agree the family was negligent, but the school was also negligent. They should have taken Sylvester to a proper hospital when they saw his health deteriorating fast, instead of panicking and waiting for the parents to show up to pick the kid. If The parents were unavoidably unavailable, will they just watch the kid die. They were just too desperate to get rid of the kid, so he won't die in their custody.

They were not the one that carried out the "False" autopsy report. The autopsy in Warri was carried out by the Nigerian police. They were only given a copy of the report, which the released publicly.

I have years of experience In child development; no school can take a child to hospital without parental consent, the cousin that picked him in Lagos said the family didn't want him taken to hospital in Lagos. Best the school can do is offer first aid which they did at the school clinic and call the parents

AfroKnight:


Lol. So it’s football injury that blistered his mouth too?

How about the police commissioner who said both autopsies are in agreement? No comment on that? So where did those names come from? Why those specific boys?

Why blisters in his mouth but the pathologist claims no bruises in oesophagus and stomach?

Omo! We are actually witnessing the government moving from being the prosecutor to surreptitiously defending the suspects.

Thank God the family leaked the first autopsy ordered by the same Nigeria Police. The government would have hidden the truth from the public.

Same autopsy they have refused to bring to court and objected to its mention. Why would they have that evidence and not want it In court?

IFNOTGOD:


Should we say u know something or someone involved in this and you are trying to stand for them?

If I may ask poisoned or not poisoned does the school have any questions to answer?

If you paid millions to send ur ward to school and suddenly he was brought back frail and according to the story I was during football shouldn't the school take the blame of negligence.

Sometimes try to shut up instead of standing defense for something you don't know or because u read some stories online.

If it happened to your family member will you come here to comment on every comment posted here just because you have data.

This is the life of a human and this sort of issues are investigated and proper measures as well as policy are put in place to guide against such.

One thing to take from the boys death is most schools will sit up and not just collect money and sit down.

For your stupid information the boys parents didnt rush to social media when it happened borrow ursef some sense.

Maybe just maybe we can ask the authorities to call you for questioning seems like you have info that may help the case

If I paid trillions sef it doesn't take away parental responsibility and confer it on the school.

wirinet:


Where did you get the lie that the family conducted an autopsy? The autopsy was conducted by the Nigerian police and their lawyer had to write the Nigerian police to obtain a copy.

The case has not gone to court as the Lagos State coroner is carrying out an inquest. The inquest is still on going.

Why are you guys pushing out so many lies aggressively, do you have a stake in this case?

The family themselves said so. The Father came and made a video swearing by the Delta Autopsy

wirinet:

The family has no reason to push falsehood. They are acting on what they actually believe based on what they saw and heard from Sylvester and based on previous experience.


Agreed. But this only applies to the powerful and mighty. Ordinary poor citizens are held in police custody indefinitely or until they pay "bail".


Which government. The government looks compromised. They exonerated all accused and reopened the school even before the coroner inquest had been concluded.


Non of the autopsy report showed any ankle injury or bone injury.

If you can help me provide a reason why the same family who supposedly conducted an autopsy that claimed he died from chemical intoxication will refuse to tender that in court and object to their on autopsy being mentioned I may believe you. The supposed autopsy that would closed their case they didn't bring to court only shared online to cast doubt on the actual autopsy.
Why did the family not bring their own autopsy to court.

ikennamadu1:


Oga rest .. you don't know what you are typing..

Did you rest when it was time to promote fake news? Now the truth is out you want the truth to rest

wirinet:

The family has no reason to push falsehood. They are acting on what they actually believe based on what they saw and heard from Sylvester and based on previous experience.


Agreed. But this only applies to the powerful and mighty. Ordinary poor citizens are held in police custody indefinitely or until they pay "bail".


Which government. The government looks compromised. They exonerated all accused and reopened the school even before the coroner inquest had been concluded.


Non of the autopsy report showed any ankle injury or bone injury.

At least read Fully I hope I don't need to teach you how fracture is different from injury.

" A few others showed vertical marks on the chin (post mortem injury), “a recent external circular injury on the right ankle,” reddening on the lower part of the two legs (this shows that the embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body), the white brain shows that there is not enough blood in the body."

The family was negligent and looking for a scape goat they consistently pushed false news including the fake autopsy report from Delta which they refused to tender and even objected to it being referenced

AfroKnight:


Lol. But they should have waited for the outcome of the inquest. They should not be preemptive like this na! What if this inquest discovers evidence pointing to murder? Will they start looking for the boys who have fled the country, trying to bring them back to answer for crimes?

That unilateral decision was simply jumping the gun especially when they were aware that Falana had asked for an inquest.

It brings to mind the press conference by the former commissioner of police who said in a video that both autopsies are in agreement; a statement which is clearly false! What is going on?

Why is the government acting like they are the ones on trial? Why are they in such a hurry to reduce this death to generalised body infection? If it was a wound (ulcer) on the ankle that was the entry point of the infection like the Lagos autopsy claims, what led to that wound? Who inflicted that wound? Why was his mouth blistered? So somehow his mouth is blistered but the lining of his oesophagus and stomach were not inflamed?

Like I said, this is government magic at play again. Even a murdered child can’t get justice.

No Sir the only magic is the family who has been consistently shown to be pushing falsehood.

People cannot be held indefinitely when there is no charge against them. When they say you should read and learn you will not agree.

The Government is in alignment with the investigation and autopsy findings so they are in trial by the family who brought the Inquest


What led to the wound has been stated, ankle injury from falling while playing ball.

seborrhic:

It was indeed bitched.
That Warri pathologist just used 80% of the history he was supplied with just 20% examination he did,to arrive at his conclusion.
He just collected the boy father's money and did a anyhow job that further fuelled their belief in the parent's view of a homicide,which wasn't there.
What in hell is "chemical intoxication in the background of lung trauma"?

Why didn't the family even bring him let us get small answers

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May your own family be victims of false allegations.

AfroKnight:


Semantics. DPP advised as prosecutors, police released suspects from custody. How did they arrive at the conclusion that they (DPP) had no evidence against the boys? The coroner’s inquest is what will determine that in the first place.

Falana had requested for that inquest before the DPP had those boys released.

They had done investigation, intervewed witnesses, relieved the report of the autopsy all pointing to no guilt. Should they falsify evidence and hold the accused?

It is the same you who will come here and cry human rights tomorrow when somebody you know is held without charge or trial. They had no charge to make against them so the police could not hold them indefinitely because the time they got from the court to hold them had elapsed

Brendaniel:
You see one thing I hate about Nigeria, secrecy is too much, something happened to the boy in the school which led to him falling sick and died, why are they not investigating the cause of what led to him falling sick based on events that took place in the school, the boy has friends, till date nobody has heard any testimonies from his friends and other school children in the school, secrecy is too much to be released to the public, there is no way witnesses would not have been in place during such event, but then this is NIGERIA

The same way, herdsmen will attack a village and police arrests the herdsmen, they find out who sent them, secrecy starts:
POLICE- You know the person involved in this case is the brother to the uncle of the inlaw to the sister of the wife of the president, we cannot divulge such information to the public, this is national security issue...

They are released to continue their havoc, This is not national security, this is Nigeria...

Ask the family why they didn't call the classmates as witnesses

Oasisi:


It would happen to your child one day maybe when you have one of you don’t have yet and people would say then that you lied.

May your own family be victims of false allegations

AfroKnight:


Thanks for sharing this vital information.

So the Lagos state pathologist saw a black fluid and did not test it but decided to dismiss the findings of the earlier autopsy? He didn’t know what it was but he declared there was no poison. See wuruwuru to the answer.

You can also see how the court allowed the Lagos state pathologist to testify on a document that was not even presented as evidence. And when the coroner couldn’t find a good reason for allowing such irregularities he turned into a personal issue as if Falana was attacking him. Classic! Trying to bully the lawyer.

There is no justice to be had before this coroner. Government is determined to find those boys not guilty.


Na wa

No Sir, the family was was one who did the first autopsy, ask them why they refused to tender it and call their own pathologist? If thr first one said he was poisoned why not bring it as evidence? Falana was objecting to his own clients supposed autopsy report. Why would a lawyer do that? They shared a report in public to say the boy was poisoned then now in court they don't want the same report mentjo

DonJ29:
I pray such misfortune doesnt befall your family, then you wldnt be saying this rubbish. Imagine if the boy was related to you, definitely u wldnt say this.

Even the family knew the Autopsy they did in Delta was fake that's why they didn't tender it as evidence at the Inquest. The only reason why they shared the report to the press a few days before the main autopsy came out is so people will not believe the real autopsy.

Just imagine the parents of the boys in Dowen didn't have money to do their own that's how they would have used fake everything to put those boys in prison.

Slyvesters family lied to Nigerians

May your own family be victims of false allegations .

AfroKnight:
We already knew they would twist this case. DPP decided to release the suspects before the conclusion of this inquest. Jumping the gun. Such a brazen step only tells you they are ready to go the extra mile to frustrate the victim’s family.

Government magic at play here. Dem turn blue into red, dem turn electric to candle.

No DPP advised , it was based on the advise the family objected and asked for an Inquest, same Inquest they wanted to stop when the truth started coming out.

There is no magic, the family was the one who kept on pushing false and misleading news to the public, now take all those things to court we haven't seen yet. Even their own supposed autopsy report from Warri that claimed poison they didn't bring as evidence. It is the family doing magic

Nauttyprof:


Your reasoning is just something else. I hope you know that the autopsy done in Delta wasn't carried out by the family but by the Police. When the case was brought back to Lagos, the same Police decided to carry out another autopsy.

Again why didn't the family tender that one as evidence? Simple question, if it was done well and showed evidence of what happened to their son why did they only post online and not bring it to the Inquest as evidence?