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Education / Re: Slyvester Oromoniyi: Delta Autopsy Botched, No Evidence Of Poison - Pathologist by Eketem: 5:38am On Feb 09, 2022
MondayOsunbor:


JESUS EVEN AFTER A FORMER TEACHER CONFIRM EVERYTHING !

God let me out of this dangerous country

Which former teacher? Why didn't the teacher go and testify as a witness for the family? The teacher is as fake as the autopsy report from Delta. They kept pushing fake news on social media

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Education / Re: Slyvester Oromoniyi: Delta Autopsy Botched, No Evidence Of Poison - Pathologist by Eketem: 5:35am On Feb 09, 2022
Full cross examination report:


A Chief Pathologist with the Lagos State University Teaching Hospital (LASUTH), Dr. Sunday Soyemi, has told the Coroner Inquest into the controversial death of Sylvester Oromoni, that a blackish substance was found in the boy’s intestine during autopsy.

While answering questions on Tuesday under cross-examination from Counsel to the Oromoni family, Femi Falana (SAN), Dr Soyemi, however, testified that no test was carried out to determine what the blackish substance was.

Lekki-based school, Dowen College, has been in the eye of the storm since the demise of a 12-year-old student, Sylvester Oromoni Jnr.

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The deceased’s father had alleged that his child was beaten by some senior students and forced to drink a liquid that killed him.

But the school has denied the claim, saying instead that he sustained injuries while playing football with his mates.



Find below the conversation between Mr Falana and the Pathologist below:

Falana: You did say, that when you were opening up the body, you found a blackish substance in the intestine of the deceased?

That’s correct, said the pathologist.

Falana: Did you send the black substance to a toxicologist? To which the pathologist replied No.

Falana: Don’t you think the blackish substance should have been taken to a toxicology laboratory in view of the allegation that the boy was poisoned?

Again, the pathologist replied No. This prompted Mr Falana to ask, “What is the blackish substance?”

Pathologist: It could be anything. It could be faecal stool matter mixed with embalming fluid.

Falana: It could be anything, we don’t know. Yet without conducting a test, you dismissed the conclusion of the pathologist in Warri who came to the conclusion that the deceased died of acute lung injury arising from chemical intoxication?

Pathologist: I took samples of the oesophagus and the stomach to the laboratory and looked at it under the microscope and they were essentially normal.

Falana: What laboratory did you use? LASUTH or one outside?

Pathologist: I didn’t take it to a toxicologist laboratory. LASUTH has no toxicology laboratory.

Falana: LASUTH has no facilities for testing for poison, when such tests are needed, it is sent abroad.

Pathologist: That’s correct.

Toxicology, according to the English dictionary, is the branch of pharmacology that deals with the nature, effect, detection and treatment of poisons and poisoning.

In response to further questions from the Counsel to the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA), Bernard Onigah, the Pathologist gave reasons why a toxicologist test was not carried out.

Pathologist: In conducting toxicology, I need to take blood, urine and the vitreous fluid in the eyes, all of which will be sent to the laboratory for test. I also need gastric content in the stomach. All these were not available at the second autopsy.

When asked why they were not available, the pathologist said, “the stomach had been opened by the first pathologist and nothing was found. The blood, urine and eye fluid had been sucked out during embalming and put in the Formalin, the embalming fluid.

The lawyer then asked, “Are you telling the court that it is impossible to take samples for toxicology as at the time the body was brought to you for an autopsy?”

The pathologist replied, “that’s correct”.

Counsel to Dowen College, Anthony Kpokpo asked the pathologist the impact a noxious substance, chemical or poison introduced through the mouth will have on the oesophagus or the stomach.

The pathologist replied, “I’ll expect to see a bruising of the lining of the stomach and the oesophagus.”

Kpokpo: Did you see any bruising in the lining of the deceased’s stomach or oesophagus?

Pathologist: No

The cross-examination also dwelled on the cause of death with the pathologist insisting that the late Sylvester, died of Septicaemia.

Septicaemia is when bacteria enters the bloodstream, and causes blood poisoning which triggers sepsis

While being led in evidence by the Director of Public Prosecution, DPP Lagos, Dr. Jide Martins, the pathologist testified on his findings during the autopsy. He said the findings indicated a generalised infection of the body.

“It was an infection of the lungs, the deceased also had an infection of the liver, the kidneys, infection of the right arm, the soft tissue of the muscles covering the bone below the ankle. The summary of these is that he had generalised infection.”

Dr. Soyemi said, “This could have been treated. What could have been used in treating was massive dose of antibiotics, intravenous fluid and blood transfusion.”

He added that based on his finding, the illness could have been properly managed if the boy was taken for proper treatment. It was not a terminal case at all, the doctor stated.

The doctor however noted that the medical condition could lead to death if not properly treated, adding that the “mortality rate is high.”

Mr Falana asked, “can massaging of the body and an injury lead to infection?”

The doctor replied no.

The senior lawyer again asked, “If there’s an injury and it has been massaged repeatedly, can it lead to the removal of the skin or part of the skin?”

The doctor replied in the affirmative.

The senior advocate asked, “Are you aware that the ankle injury of the deceased was subjected to massaging in the sickbay of Dowen College on the 21st, 22nd & 23rd?

Dr. Soyemi said, “Not aware.”

The pathologist also spoke to some “sensitive photographs” of the autopsy report which were shown in court to describe the procedure and methods of the post mortem.

One of the pictures showed the deceased with his name tag, another showed an incision made in the chest area.

A few others showed vertical marks on the chin (post mortem injury), “a recent external circular injury on the right ankle,” reddening on the lower part of the two legs (this shows that the embalming fluid did not get to that part of his body), the white brain shows that there is not enough blood in the body.

“Prior to the conduct of autopsy, I did a total body radiograph to rule out any skeletal injury, that is, fracture, none was found. And the radiologist confirmed there was no fracture,” he said.

He faulted the initial pathologist in Warri describing his autopsy as a botched autopsy.

In the first autopsy carried out in Delta State, the pathologist, Clement Vhirterhire said the 12 years old died from “acute lung injury due to chemical intoxication.”

“Before I started the autopsy, the doctor who conducted the first autopsy was in attendance and was in attendance throughout. So, I observed that the autopsy was not properly done. All that was not properly done are documented in my statement,” Dr. Soyemi said.

“For example, at the first autopsy, the pathologist never opened the oesophagus; the oesophagus is the food pipe. He also did not open the trachea, it is the air path through which we breathe.

“These are vital things that he should not have missed out.

“He concluded his report as chemical intoxication. For one to be intoxicated with chemicals, that chemical has to pass through the oesophagus, which is the food path. If one has not opened the food path, he cannot talk about chemical intoxication.

Mr Femi Falana, however, noted that the pathologist should not be allowed to comment on the first autopsy because it was not tendered as evidence in the inquest.

But the DPP, Dr. Martins, said that the witness should be allowed to comment on it because he is an expert and the coroner inquest is a fact-finding exercise.

“He is an expert witness and he holds a duty to the court and he understands the issues that are relevant to the determination of this inquest,” Mr Martins said.

When the coroner appeared to allow the comments, it led to a heated exchange between him and Mr Falana.

The coroner said, “This is not a regular court. You are already casting aspersions on the court and my person. I allowed all parties to speak, I listened to everybody, the rules of evidence do not apply.”

“You say this at your convenience,” Mr Falana responded.

Reacting, the coroner said he took exception to the statement adding that “If you have a problem with me personally sitting on this inquest, the avenues are there. I’m not a tyrant, I fear nobody; I owe my duty to God. Learned silk is saying I do that at my convenience. Take that back.”

Mr Falana however said he had no cause to question the coroner’s integrity.

“Your lordship, if I have created the impression that I question your integrity, I take it back.”

The coroner also apologised for raising his voice at the learned silk.

He ruled that he would take any comment that would assist in the fact-finding. He, however, asked the DPP to limit his questions to the evidence tendered in court.

On media reports of the post mortem proceedings, Mr. Femi Falana asked the pathologist Dr Soyemi if he had authorized one of his colleagues, Dr. Nwigwe Chikodili Isabella, to speak on Arise TV about the findings of the autopsy.

The pathologist said that he did not give any such authorization. He also testified that this was not normal practice and admitted that he was embarrassed when the report was being discussed on TV.

“I was embarrassed because she didn’t perform the autopsy, she observed all through and it’s not the normal practice even if you have done the autopsy,” he said.

Magistrate Mikhail Kadiri has adjourned further proceedings till Monday.

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Education / Re: Slyvester Oromoniyi: Delta Autopsy Botched, No Evidence Of Poison - Pathologist by Eketem: 5:02am On Feb 09, 2022
Barcaking2:


I agree with you. Moreso, why didnt the parent raise the alarm when the child died. Why did the media depend on the cousins assertion?

Shame to all the so called celebrities who jump on the bandwagon. Seems they want attention from this calamity rather than wait for reports from both the law authorities.


If Nigerians are wise they will learn from this. People will just come online with videos and pictures next thing they will jump and start dragging nobody can ask questions.
Next time let people be referred to the right agencies with allegations let it be investigated before people take extreme positions.

Who can repay the damage done to those accused boys and their teachers who spent Christmas locked up for a crime we now know they didn't even know anything about. How many Nigerians are languishing in jail due to somebody's false allegations because they didn't have money for good lawyers.

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Education / Re: Slyvester Oromoniyi: Delta Autopsy Botched, No Evidence Of Poison - Pathologist by Eketem: 4:37am On Feb 09, 2022
matrix199:
What or who should we believe now?

Even the family knew the Autopsy they did in Delta was fake that's why they didn't tender it as evidence at the Inquest. The only reason why they shared the report to the press a few days before the main autopsy came out is so people will not believe the real autopsy.

Just imagine the parents of the boys in Dowen didn't have money to do their own that's how they would have used fake everything to put those boys in prison.

Slyvesters family lied to Nigerians

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Education / Slyvester Oromoniyi: Delta Autopsy Botched, No Evidence Of Poison - Pathologist by Eketem: 4:05am On Feb 09, 2022
A pathologist, Dr Sokunle Soyemi, has informed an Ikeja Coroner’s Court that the first autopsy was conducted at Warri, Delta, on the late Sylvester Oromoni Jnr., a 12-year-old student of Dowen College, was botched.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that Soyemi, who has 17-year experience in the field of pathology, made the claim on Tuesday while testifying for Lagos State Government at an inquest set up to unravel the cause of the student’s death.

He was led in evidence by Dr Jide Martins, the Director of the Lagos State Directorate of Public Prosecution (DPP).

“I observed the first autopsy was not properly done. All the things that were not properly done were documented in my report.

“At the first autopsy, the pathologist never opened the oesophagus (the food pipe). He also did not open the trachea (air pipe). These are vital things he should not have left out.

“The conclusion in his report was chemical intoxication. For one to be intoxicated with a chemical, that chemical has to pass through the food path.

“If one does not open the food path, one cannot talk about chemical intoxication. The chemical that should be injurious to one should pass through the oesophagus.

“It should not have been anything near chemical intoxication if it did not pass through the oesophagus,” Soyemi said.

The witness said further that the pathologist who conducted the first autopsy in Warri, Delta, did not look into the lungs of the deceased and also did not detach the heart from the lungs as was the standard practice.

“If he had done that and weighed the lungs, the weight alone would have told him that something was wrong with the lungs.

“Your honour, these are a few of the things he did not do. I will say that he did a botched autopsy. Your honour, this is the cause of the controversy concerning this case,” Soyemi said.

Counsel to the Oromoni family, Mr Femi Falana (SAN), however, objected to the evidence of the pathologist.

He said that Soyemi was testifying on a matter (first autopsy report) which had not been tendered before the inquest by the DPP.

“We urge the coroner to stop the move by the DPP to turn the witness to an expert in a matter that is not before the court.

The learned DPP should have tendered the first autopsy report and asked the witness to compare it with his own. It is not his duty to speak on another autopsy report,” he said.

Responding, the DPP said that the witness, an expert witness, was speaking on the state of a body which was before him prior to carrying out a postmortem.

“He owes this court a duty to explain all the issues that are relevant to the determination of this inquest.

“He needs to explain to this court the findings of the examination he carried out,” Martins said.

The Coroner, Mr Mikhail Kadiri, in a short ruling, allowed the testimony of the pathologist on the first autopsy.

He said the witness was shedding more light on the autopsy he conducted on late Oromoni particularly the state of the body of the deceased.

The coroner said that the information would aid the inquest in its fact-finding mission.

Following the ruling, Soyemi revealed his findings to the inquest. He said the late Dowen College student had lobal pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and infection of the liver.

“He also had an infection of the kidney and an infection of the right ankle, the soft tissue and the muscle covering the bone of the ankle.

“Against these findings, his death was ascribed to septicemia, lobal pneumonia with pyelonephritis (infection of the kidney) arising from the pyelonephritis of the right ankle.

“The summary of this is that he had a generalised infection,” Soyemi said.

He adjourned proceedings to Feb. 14 for the continuation of hearing.

NAN reports that it was alleged that the 12-year-old student died on Nov. 30, 2021, from injuries sustained in an attack by five senior students of Dowen College for refusing to join a cult.

It was also alleged that he was forced to drink an obnoxious substance by his attackers.

The Lagos State DPP Advice released on Jan. 4, however, disputed the allegation, stating that an autopsy conducted in Lagos revealed the real cause of his death as acute bacterial pneumonia due to severe sepsis.

https://thenationonlineng.net/sylvester-oromoni-first-autopsy-botched-pathologist/

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Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 12:47am On Feb 09, 2022
A pathologist, Dr Sokunle Soyemi, has informed an Ikeja Coroner’s Court that the first autopsy was conducted at Warri, Delta, on the late Sylvester Oromoni Jnr., a 12-year-old student of Dowen College, was botched.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that Soyemi, who has 17-year experience in the field of pathology, made the claim on Tuesday while testifying for Lagos State Government at an inquest set up to unravel the cause of the student’s death.

He was led in evidence by Dr Jide Martins, the Director of the Lagos State Directorate of Public Prosecution (DPP).

“I observed the first autopsy was not properly done. All the things that were not properly done were documented in my report.

“At the first autopsy, the pathologist never opened the oesophagus (the food pipe). He also did not open the trachea (air pipe). These are vital things he should not have left out.

“The conclusion in his report was chemical intoxication. For one to be intoxicated with a chemical, that chemical has to pass through the food path.

“If one does not open the food path, one cannot talk about chemical intoxication. The chemical that should be injurious to one should pass through the oesophagus.

“It should not have been anything near chemical intoxication if it did not pass through the oesophagus,” Soyemi said.

The witness said further that the pathologist who conducted the first autopsy in Warri, Delta, did not look into the lungs of the deceased and also did not detach the heart from the lungs as was the standard practice.

“If he had done that and weighed the lungs, the weight alone would have told him that something was wrong with the lungs.

“Your honour, these are a few of the things he did not do. I will say that he did a botched autopsy. Your honour, this is the cause of the controversy concerning this case,” Soyemi said.

Counsel to the Oromoni family, Mr Femi Falana (SAN), however, objected to the evidence of the pathologist.

He said that Soyemi was testifying on a matter (first autopsy report) which had not been tendered before the inquest by the DPP.

“We urge the coroner to stop the move by the DPP to turn the witness to an expert in a matter that is not before the court.

The learned DPP should have tendered the first autopsy report and asked the witness to compare it with his own. It is not his duty to speak on another autopsy report,” he said.

Responding, the DPP said that the witness, an expert witness, was speaking on the state of a body which was before him prior to carrying out a postmortem.

“He owes this court a duty to explain all the issues that are relevant to the determination of this inquest.

“He needs to explain to this court the findings of the examination he carried out,” Martins said.

The Coroner, Mr Mikhail Kadiri, in a short ruling, allowed the testimony of the pathologist on the first autopsy.

He said the witness was shedding more light on the autopsy he conducted on late Oromoni particularly the state of the body of the deceased.

The coroner said that the information would aid the inquest in its fact-finding mission.

Following the ruling, Soyemi revealed his findings to the inquest. He said the late Dowen College student had lobal pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and infection of the liver.

“He also had an infection of the kidney and an infection of the right ankle, the soft tissue and the muscle covering the bone of the ankle.

“Against these findings, his death was ascribed to septicemia, lobal pneumonia with pyelonephritis (infection of the kidney) arising from the pyelonephritis of the right ankle.

“The summary of this is that he had a generalised infection,” Soyemi said.

He adjourned proceedings to Feb. 14 for the continuation of hearing.

NAN reports that it was alleged that the 12-year-old student died on Nov. 30, 2021, from injuries sustained in an attack by five senior students of Dowen College for refusing to join a cult.

It was also alleged that he was forced to drink an obnoxious substance by his attackers.

The Lagos State DPP Advice released on Jan. 4, however, disputed the allegation, stating that an autopsy conducted in Lagos revealed the real cause of his death as acute bacterial pneumonia due to severe sepsis.

(NAN)

https://thenationonlineng.net/sylvester-oromoni-first-autopsy-botched-pathologist/
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 12:47am On Feb 09, 2022
Summary from 8th February Autopsy findings

1. The pathologist ruled out any body trauma from bullying.
2. The pathologist restated that Sylvester died from an infection in his right ankle ( football Injury) That was poorly treated and led to a kidney and liver infection.
3. Slyvester would have survived if he was treated with antibiotics
4. That the autopsy report from Delta shared online was botched, the Pathologist I Delta didn't open the throat and so could not declare chemical intoxication without checking the throat.
5. The Family didn't bring the Delta Autopsy as evidence in the findings
6. Femi Falana objected to mentioning the Delta Autopsy report which led to a shouting match.
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 5:07am On Feb 08, 2022
Dowen College, Lagos, on Monday alleged before an Ikeja Coroner’s Court that it was ‘ambushed’ by Sylvester Oromoni Snr, father of a late student of school, Sylvester Oromoni Jnr.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that counsel to Dowen College, Anthony Kpokpo, made the allegation at the start of the testimony of Oromoni Snr. after some documents, videos and audio recordings were tendered in evidence.

Mr Kpokpo said that the documents, videos and audio were withheld from other parties in the suit all the while to create shock.

The evidence include documents, photographs, audio recordings, videos and battered luggage of the deceased.

They were tendered by counsel to the Oromoni family, Andrew Efole.

Video and photo slideshows of late Mr Oromoni Jnr. was played at the inquest.

One of the videos was Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) of November 23, 2021, which showed the late student arriving home from school.

In the footage, he could not walk into his home from the vehicle that brought him.

He had to be given a piggyback into his home.

Following the playing of the footage and audio, Mr Kpokpo described tendering of the documents as an “intent to ambush the other side”.


“The content of this flash affirms our earlier assertion that it was deliberately kept away from us.

“The videos that we just watched and the managed audio we listened to had always been in the custody of the family of the deceased and were brought at this stage for shock value.



“In the circumstances of what we are seeing, we are constrained to go and view all the materials put before us.

“I pray that my learned friend is kind enough to extend the courtesy to us as we did to them so that we will be appropriately prepared to cross-examine the witness to move forward,” he said.

The counsel to Lagos State Government, Akin George, also described the development as ‘ambush’.

“It will not be out of place to say the counsel on the other side acted in the nature of ambush,” he said.

Godwin Omoaka (SAN), counsel to one of the accused Dowen College students, said that other parties to the proceedings were ‘blindsided’.



Sylvester Oromoni Inquest: Dowen College alleges ‘ambush’ by family
The school's lawyer said the videos and the "managed audio" had always been in the custody of the family of the deceased and were brought out for "shock value."
ByAgency Report February 7, 2022 2 min read

Dowen College, Lagos, on Monday alleged before an Ikeja Coroner’s Court that it was ‘ambushed’ by Sylvester Oromoni Snr, father of a late student of school, Sylvester Oromoni Jnr.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that counsel to Dowen College, Anthony Kpokpo, made the allegation at the start of the testimony of Oromoni Snr. after some documents, videos and audio recordings were tendered in evidence.

Mr Kpokpo said that the documents, videos and audio were withheld from other parties in the suit all the while to create shock.

The evidence include documents, photographs, audio recordings, videos and battered luggage of the deceased.

They were tendered by counsel to the Oromoni family, Andrew Efole.

Video and photo slideshows of late Mr Oromoni Jnr. was played at the inquest.

One of the videos was Closed Circuit Television (CCTV) of November 23, 2021, which showed the late student arriving home from school.

In the footage, he could not walk into his home from the vehicle that brought him.

He had to be given a piggyback into his home.



A voice speaking over the recording said: “This is my brother when he was brought home from school. I had to call the security man to come and carry my brother.

“I do not know where Mr Adeyemi got his facts that he (Oromoni Jnr.) walked by himself.”

Another footage showed the late student crying in severe pain, being unable to walk and being aided by two female relatives.

Other videos showed him in various states of pain and discomfort.

There was an audio recording of Mr Oromoni Snr. enquiring from the late student’s classmate about what happened to his son.

Following the playing of the footage and audio, Mr Kpokpo described tendering of the documents as an “intent to ambush the other side”.


“The content of this flash affirms our earlier assertion that it was deliberately kept away from us.

“The videos that we just watched and the managed audio we listened to had always been in the custody of the family of the deceased and were brought at this stage for shock value.



“In the circumstances of what we are seeing, we are constrained to go and view all the materials put before us.

“I pray that my learned friend is kind enough to extend the courtesy to us as we did to them so that we will be appropriately prepared to cross-examine the witness to move forward,” he said.

The counsel to Lagos State Government, Akin George, also described the development as ‘ambush’.

“It will not be out of place to say the counsel on the other side acted in the nature of ambush,” he said.

Godwin Omoaka (SAN), counsel to one of the accused Dowen College students, said that other parties to the proceedings were ‘blindsided’.







“It is only appropriate that we see those videos and watch them, else, it will impact on the issue of fair hearing to us,” he said.

The Coroner, Mikhail Kadiri, adjourned the evidence of Mr Oromoni Snr. until February 14.

“This is to enable parties to study the documents and videos,” he said.

Proceedings were, however, adjourned until February 8, for the testimony of a pathologist

The 12-year-old Oromoni Jnr. allegedly died on November 30, 2021, from injuries sustained in an attack by five senior students of Dowen College for reportedly refusing to join a cult.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/510251-sylvester-oromoni-inquest-dowen-college-alleges-ambush-by-family.html
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 5:07am On Feb 08, 2022
Update 7th February 2022.

Slyvester Oromoniyi: Inquest 7th February 2022:


1. Slyvesters Father and sister were billed to testify yesterday.

2. His sister is a minor and so her testimony could not be taken in the presence of the media. Minors are protected in legal proceedings, it is normally taken in chambers or only Lawyers and those directly involved in the case are allowed to witness it.

3. Video and Audio evidence was tendered by the family. Video showing the state at which he got home and an audio conversation of a phone call with a classmate of Slyvester and Slyvester's father.

4. The Lawyers to Dowen objected that they had not been given time to study the evidence and the Judge gave them till 14th to study the evidence and have it represented.
5. The testimonies of the pathologists who conducted the autopsy will be taken today the 8th.
Family / Re: Who Knows Any Organisation That Protects Women Against Domestic Violence by Eketem: 7:23pm On Feb 05, 2022
one2vita:
So there's this man that beats his wife to the extent he breaks her rib and gives her a black eye. I'm looking for Any Organisation That Protects Women and Children Against Domestic Violence so that they can handle the issue.

Which state?
Does the woman want to pursue a case or she just wants an organisation to mediate and settle them? The woman has to be sure what she wants to do.
Family / Re: My Brother's Wife Wouldn't Let Their Children Go To School Because Of This by Eketem: 4:50pm On Feb 04, 2022
Dailyparrot:


They live far far away from us (the other family members). My brother didn't even tell us about this until my sisters visited them early January.

Due to the place of work of my brother, he can't afford the time to prepare and take the children to school.

This is abuse on her part.
He should call this number 0 8 000333333 and report, they will help both of them in the interest of the children
Family / Re: A Man Wants A Child He Abandoned. by Eketem: 2:54pm On Feb 03, 2022
buchizy:
pls i need an opinion on this, a friend of mine got pregnant for a guy, the guy was supposed to pay her bride price and marry her but he said he doesn't want to marry her. After giving He abandoned the girl and the child for about 4yrs . now the guy is chatting the lady and sending her messages that he wants his son. and that he will go to court and human right to take his son whom he abandoned for 4yrs since birth.
What should this lady do.

I am sorry for your ( friends) experience.
However he is within his rights to go to court or human rights.
Will they take a child away from the mom and give him? I doubt it, instead he will be asked to pay support for the child and be given visitation rights.

A child needs both father and mother, a mother cannot keep a child away from the father because he doesn't want to pay bride price.

It is actually good they go to welfare and decide how they will both contribute to raising their child.

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Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 12:57pm On Feb 02, 2022
More from yesterday's Inquest Testimony of the Oromoni family Doctor

https://lifestyle.thecable.ng/i-found-no-proof-he-drank-chemical-oromonis-doctor-tells-court/
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 4:17am On Feb 02, 2022
socialmediaman:


Can you please answer the questions? Why is it so hard to answer the questions? I asked you 2 simple questions from the beginning and I'm still asking more questions that you keep avoiding.

Question I have answered again and again with links and screenshot. Please rest. You keep shifting goal post.
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 4:16am On Feb 02, 2022
xpool:

There is nothing dirty in the case part from from lack of further probe on the school, the hostel mates. What led to the arrest of some students from the school, ?
Nobody has interrogated the victim's hostel mates, not even journalists, why is that side not talked about.

It is an Inquest ongoing in court.
This is the family presenting their case and witnesses, because it is the family making accusation. When the family is done with their witnesses th school will present and police will present.

I don't understand why people have refused to understand this. It is not a conclusion just a process in an Inquest.

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Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 4:07am On Feb 02, 2022
socialmediaman:


Please answer the questions and stop making false accusations. Why were you adding your own interpretation rather than reporting what was on the news? Don't you know that those words you used had a different meaning from what was reported on the news? More than one person called you out for bias on this same thread, doesn't that tell you something?

The report from the news clearly stated that the parents arranged with Dr Owhojede (the family doctor) to take their son to the Delta State Teaching Hospital, but he was later taken to one Vicar Hospital

but your report rephrases it stating that he was referred to the General Hospital but was instead taken home and treated for malaria under the instruction of the family Doctor.

Do those 2 reports look the same to you? From the news report that I read, it was the family doctor (Dr Owhojede) who did the lab tests on Sylvester and referred him to the Delta State Teaching Hospital, before he was later taken to Vicar Hospital. Why does your report make it look like someone else referred them to the Delta State Teaching hospital, but the family doctor asked them to take him home? Talk about dishonesty

You first claimed it was not contained in the report now you are clutching on all sorts of straws.

Anyway the Inquest is still on, let the facts be coming gradually. Thankfully I am am one who posted the links
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 2:34am On Feb 02, 2022
socialmediaman:


Why were you adding your own interpretation instead of reporting what was reported on the news?



Don’t you know that adding that phrase changes the meaning of what was reported on TVC news? Talking about dishonesty


This is just sad. You are faced with evidence of your dishonesty then start clutching on straws. It is well.

Please note that the Testimonies so far is the Oromoni family building their own case; Dowen and the others have not yet called their witnesses.
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 2:05am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:

I'm not ignoring anything.
This post states rhe Dr started treating from 26th to 30th.
Made no mention of any tests done.
You're the one who mentioned tests were done and only talked about a scan.
You didn't tell us what type of scan, and neither did you mention other tests that were done .
I doubt an enlarged liver killed Syl and that on it's own doesn’t warrant a same day admission, unless he had other more worrying symptoms and other things picked up on his blood tests which hadn't been shared anywhere

I can only share what witnesses reported, not full details of the tests.
Check me profile you will see I have been posting updates on this matter. It was reported
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 2:03am On Feb 02, 2022
abbey621:


The doctor ignored the results? Are you sure? If this is true then I'm even more shocked than Buhari.......

Yes the family witness said the tests were done since 27th and they were referred
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 2:02am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:


There is a reason malaria medications are available over the counter in Nigeria.
You really don't need tests to start treatment for malaria in Nigeria.
This is because Nigeria is a malaria endemic region- its everywhere all the time, so yes it is very common.
In order to avoid severe malaria and to avoid inundation of the barely available health services, medications are available over the counter for it.
A market woman/ truck driver can treat malaria in Nigeria, so that's not a tenable excuse to indict the Dr.
What I can possibly hold against the Dr is if he didn't advice them if his symptoms worsen to call an ambulance / take to hospital. Or even ask parents to call him for a follow up on Syl. I don't think the parents have health insurance, the govt too doesn't pay for them either, so it's strictly pay as you go when they ask a physician to come to them. If they don't call the Dr, he won't come.

Health insurance is not the issue, cost of treatment is not the issue a family that can afford Dowen or Falana is not poor.

Medical costs here is not as expensive as what obtains in America.

Even poor patients here crowd fund or beg to get money for treatment where insurance is not available.

The doctor himself admitted to treating with prayers and not strictly following the protocol after the initial referral. It is not defensible
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 1:58am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:


I haven't been following all the details of the inquest.
But what I garnered from this post was that he was being treated at home before referral to hospital ?
And not tests first before treatment at home?
To me, what the scan (I'm hoping it's a CT scan and not the normal ultrasound) probably proves is that he didn't die from internal injuries from trauma as earlier stated/assumed.
Quite a number of things can cause an enlarged liver including malaria. You can look that up.
So the concern really should be what else was going on with him to cause his liver to be enlarged? Most causes of an enlarged liver will not kill that quickly.
Anything that could possibly make him deteriorate so fast to death within a week should be looked into.
I'm more interested in the blood tests done at the hospital- blood tests to look for sepsis, malaria, his kidney function, his liver function (enlarged liver doesn't necessarily mean the liver isn't still working within it's normal capacity o).
(My market women analogy was just to tell you that anybody can treat malaria and you don't need to have blood tests to do that.)
Anyway, I really hope genuine lessons are learned from the inquest and that schools, Drs, parents, the govt can put into place workable solutions for school children that fall ill and just put into place more robust laws to protect children and enforce such laws, whether the parents are rich or poor.



I have been following and I have shared the links here. Tests were done on the 27th he was referred the doctor ignored the referral and chose to treat malaria at home.
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 1:55am On Feb 02, 2022
abbey621:


Okay America is different, your money dictates what you can and cannot do, most welathy folks have family doctors and in home consults. Back to the point, a credible doctor would never go by just symptoms alone, tests would be done to rule out other factors. Even as far back as early 2000s during my university days, my doctor insisted on running tests due to frequent malaria but I guess like everything in 9ja, money does not equate to quality......It is well!

Tests were done on the 27th but the doctor ignored the results and referral, I don't know why she keeps ignoring that part
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 12:48am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:


There is a reason malaria medications are available over the counter in Nigeria.
You really don't need tests to start treatment for malaria in Nigeria.
This is because Nigeria is a malaria endemic region- its everywhere all the time, so yes it is very common.
In order to avoid severe malaria and to avoid inundation of the barely available health services, medications are available over the counter for it.
A market woman/ truck driver can treat malaria in Nigeria, so that's not a tenable excuse to indict the Dr.
What I can possibly hold against the Dr is if he didn't advice them if his symptoms worsen to call an ambulance / take to hospital. Or even ask parents to call him for a follow up on Syl. I don't think the parents have health insurance, the govt too doesn't pay for them either, so it's strictly pay as you go when they ask a physician to come to them. If they don't call the Dr, he won't come.

I have been following the process and the family witness said they conducted tests and a scan on the 27th and were referred to the specialist hospital in Oghara. The tests showed Enlarged Liver but instead of going to the refered hospital this doctor with knowledge of the report chose to treat for malaria.

The doctor cannot escape liability on this.

A family that can afford a family doctor and Dowen fees can't be compared with the financial capacity of market men and women.
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 12:38am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:


Oh please, come off it.
What emergency protocols are in place in Nigeria?
Home visits abroad are for housebound patients, usually due to chronic illnesses.
That child was assessed by a clinician, and his assessment was that of malaria. Malaria and trauma are very 2 different presentations and can't be mistaken for each other like you tried to imply . Malaria and sepsis may however present similarly.
The child didn't die the day the clinician saw him, I believe he likely worsened as the days went by. The next time they called the Dr to come, he was in a terrible state and the write up states he was referred to the hospital.
If as parent, your child's condition worsens you take them to the hospital or call an ambulance for such.
Unfortunately, the health system abroad is very different from that of Nigeria.
I don't expect a Dr to force admission on an adult patient with capacity.
However, if as a Dr abroad, a child is thought to be ill enough that you would be asked to make a house call, and the parents refuse an ambulance, I will expect you to call the police on them. I will expect you to call the safeguarding lead paediatrician in hospital who will set the ball rolling on getting that child admitted without the parent's consent.
That child will be taken into the hospital, whether the parents like it or not and they may likely not be allowed access to that child in hospital.
They may lose access to all their children actually.
Calling the police is to enforce taking the child to the hospital at that moment.
From some of the testimonies, it seems the parents don't believe in hospitals

It seems you are not following the whole process of the Inquest.

So a family member testified on Friday he said thr boy was taken for a scan on the 27th and it showed an enlarged liver. The hospital where they had the scan referred him to The specialist hospital in Oghara. The doctor however countered the referral and chose to treat him for malaria.

The doctor in his Testimony also confirmed that he and the parents attend the same church and he believes in a combination of prayers and treatment.

This for me indices him, he didn't act in the best interest of the patient but allowed the relationship and church doctrine guide him.

The doctor should be responding to a medical board and defend his licence
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 12:17am On Feb 02, 2022
sisisioge:
Millions on the line...the school will not accept liability. Who should we blame? Let's blame the grieving parents! The question is....how did an healthy boy became so sick that he needed hospital gravely in your care dear school? Enlarged liver....how

All those responsible for the boy's death will know no peace!

Again this is just the Doctors testimony. The school will call it's witnesses and the autopsy report will be examined by then we will know what led to the liver damage.

It is best to wait for the review of the autopsy report if you want to know what led to the liver damage.

It is the family who requested for this Inquest. Everything about the boys death will be examined including what happened in school and shared here. Answers will not come in one hearing but hopefully the Inquest should be done by February ending. You will hopefully get your answers .
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 12:13am On Feb 02, 2022
eyinjuege:


But why do you think justice isn't been served in this case?
Should innocent people be punished for a crime they didn't commit? Is that justice?
Should the other boys, the school be held accountable for what they had nothing to do with?
The whole purpose of the inquest is to put all the facts and information from different sources together and arrive at a plausible conclusion to what happened to the child.
It's not to punish anybody, but to find out the truth.
His death shouldn't have happened, but why did it happen is what this inquest will tell us.
I'm sure more information will be made public. Statements from his roommates about the alleged beating would also be looked at.



So is it the fault of the Dr now? If the child had presented with malaria symptoms he will be treated as such. If he had presented with trauma symptoms he would be treated as such too.
What magic is the Dr supposed to do for a child who should have been hospitalised in the first place?
If the law were to be followed, the child's guardians are in trouble not taking him to the hospital especially if the Dr asked them to. Infact, the Dr would have called the police on them abroad.



Presented malaria based on what test please? A scam was conducted on 27th and he was referred to a specialist hospital for management but this doctor without tests started treating for malaria. This doctor should have his licence revoked.
Education / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Not Taken To Hospital For Treatment – Family Doctor Testifies by Eketem: 12:09am On Feb 02, 2022
jaxxy:


Yes bt will dowen college tell the truth on their own side like the family doctor is doing on the family’s side??

Will dowen say the truth or continue to claim football injuries and bacteria killed the boy. Will they explain the role of the students he mentioned in the own side of the story??

There are really 2 side to a story bt let’s not lie about our side of the stories also.

I would like to know the timeline of events b4 and after he left the school.

The family is giving their own testimony for now. Dowen will soon give their own . The autopsy reports will also be examined. This is a process , all the answers won't come in one day
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 11:07pm On Feb 01, 2022
Dr Aghogho Owhojede has revealed that Sylvester Oromoni, the late Dowen College student, was not taken to a hospital for treatment.

NAN reports that Owhojede, the Oromonis’ family doctor for 15 years, testified before an Ikeja Coroner’s Court on Tuesday.

The medical doctor was questioned by counsel to Dowen College, two accused students, the Lagos State Government and the Nigerian Bar Association (NBA).

He recalled treating the teenager for acute malaria at the family home in Warri, Delta, from November 26 to 30, 2021.

Owhojede also told Akin George, Lagos State Government counsel, that he attended the same God’s Grace Ministry International Church with the family.

The doctor added that Oromoni was taken to church for prayers for an unspecified number of days by parents.

“What was your response to the treatment at a church as opposed to a proper medical facility?” George asked.

“I am aware that the church is not a treatment centre. I am not against prayer, I will prefer a combination of both prayer and medical treatment,” the doctor replied.

The doctor disclosed that on the day Oromoni died, he referred him to Delta State University Teaching Hospital, Oghara, for further treatment.

Owhojede said the boy could not be taken there because his condition deteriorated and he gave up the ghost.

The Coroner, Mikhail Kadiri, adjourned proceedings until February 7 for continuation of the hearing.

https://dailypost.ng/2022/02/01/dowen-college-sylvester-oromoni-not-taken-to-hospital-for-treatment-family-doctor-testifies/
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 11:06pm On Feb 01, 2022
Summary of Inquest 1st February.

1. The Family Doctor that treated Sylvester testified.

2. The Doctor confirmed that Sylvester was taken to Church instead of the hospital. Doctor confirmed that he attends the same church with the family. He testified that he believes in both prayers and medical attention.
Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 5:17am On Feb 01, 2022
I got these screenshot with the TVC links in the background.

It is not good to be dishonest

Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 5:12am On Feb 01, 2022
It is the same TVC news you claimed not to see this item on ohhhh except you want to be dishonest.

Family / Re: Sylvester Oromoni Coroner Inquest Daily Update by Eketem: 4:49am On Feb 01, 2022
socialmediaman:


Your report looks skewed from what I read from the 3 websites you referenced. Where did you get these no 2 and 3 above from? They're different from what TVC news reported below:



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