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Most of the part in blue is inhabited by indigenous Yoruba-speaking peoples (though here are minority groups there of course.)

Pink is Igalaland

Igalas are not in Kogi West. They are in Kogi East. I have no clue where you are going with your argument.

Yoruba are indigenous to Kogi West. Like I said, if these Igala stories are to believed (not saying I believe them completely, just fyi), that is probably the first place anything like "Yoruba" even existed.

umechuma:
“I was moved by her beauty

OK.

and immediately drew out a sharp knife.

Not OK.

I don't see how A leads to B.

English, Yoruba, Arabic, whatever, it doesn't matter.

Language is just a tool.

You can learn math (for example) in any of these languages.

English just makes the most sense because it is the most useful language on the planet right now, and it is easiest to produce educational material in that language.

But even that might change. . . there might come a time when Mandarin is just as important a language.

Ayowumie:
Yorubas are minority in Kogi State.

Not relevant. And FWIW, in Kogi West, they are the majority.

There are some people bearing Yoruba names in Kogi state but are not really Yorubas.

Who told you that? Kogi West is Yorubaland.

My query is, if Yorubas are indigenous and were the first in the state, how come they are minority and are not evenly spread?

irrelevant

Yoruba as a language is widely spoken in Kogi but not all the speakers are Yorubas. Infact, from my unpublished assessment, most of the Igalas are bi-lingual, speaking their native language and Yoruba.

Not relevant

How have I answered my own question?

Perhaps not everyone agrees on the first quote.

Delafruita:
A large population should translate to a great country.

Why?

Do we all at least agree that if the Nigerian government were a competent/good one, Nigerians would benefit far more from $4 billion/year spent on roads, education, etc instead of pounded yam and egusi petroleum subsidy?

Or does anyone disagree with this?

If you agree with the above, and just basically want to keep the subsidy because you think the gov't won't do anything better with it, then I can at least see how your POV makes some sense.

kunlekunle:
ekt_bear

i beg, can you program black jack
i need someone who can do cashie - nigerian black jack

I don't know anything about black jack, bro. Sorry

Unfortunate.

The prices are so bad for home furnishings in Abuja that I have in fact bought them here and shipped them to my dad.

Same with tires.

So cheaper for my dad to have me ship him an extra tire for his car than for him to buy one locally.

Go visit the markets yourself, write down the prices. Then email someone in the US, ask them to find the exact same item at Home Depot for you and compare the price.

See if it isn't cheaper to buy the tire or almost anything else that isn't labor intensive in the US than Nigeria.

The supply chains from China -> US are excellent I guess. . . you have huge companies like Walmart who have refined importing down to a science.

Supply chain from China-> Nigeria, isn't very good, it appears. So anything imported is going to be more expensive.

dayokanu:
Can we just ask the government to pay the market prices of Minimum wage too? If we are going to pay for commodities prices similar to what Americans pay then we should earn similar to what Americans earn

Err. If the government interferes in the market (e.g. by setting a minimum wage, or setting it to American minimum wage), then by definition market prices aren't being paid, right?

I don't understand the point of this statement.

In a nutshell, there is only so much interference a gov't can do before it screws up everything completely. In general, the more gov't interference the worse.

@dk: A $14 trillion economy spending $20 billion/year in subsidies versus a $200 billion economy spending $4 billion/year?

In one case, a rounding error. In the other, a substantial portion of GDP.

I don't understand how the situations are comparable.

Beef I don't think is cheaper in naija than the US. I can buy ground beef from the grocery store for $2.30/pound. . . $5 us/kg = N750/kg.

How much is the same quantity of ground beef (i.e., pure meat, not bones, gristle, etc which you'll have to pay your cook to process) in Nigeria?

If it is cheaper, it isn't going to be substantially cheaper.

Regarding home furnishings, no, it isn't cheaper. For all the nice new developments in Abuja for example, the furnishings are imported from China rather than produced locally. So I can go down to Home Depot or whatever and buy whatever you are buying imported from China more cheaply.

londoner:
^^^^^^Their first reaction is to try and belittle it and/or change the focus of the thread away from the topic [/b]and away from Igboland, [b]by tempting people into a posturing debate.

Sorry for derailing this thread. Just saw some stuff that I thought needed to be corrected. Spiraled out of control a bit.

I apologize.

oyb, I get your point.

So is the solution just to give up?

Do what doesn't make sense because we don't have any faith the most probable alternative is any better?

Be happy spending $4 billion+ year on subsidies and have most of it stolen away, thinking that there is nothing better we can do with the money?

It seems a defeatist mentality to think like that imo. Surely there is an answer.

lagcity:
see mumu. antagonize? i was just telling u that u need to go and sleep. u were misfiring.

Don't mind the goat.

Always sticking his nose where he is not wanted

efisher:
USA is too far. Try Ghana or Cameroon. Subsidy is equal to waste.

I used to wonder why Ghana, as small as it is despite not having as many resources as Nigeria manages to keep up.

In hindsight, is it any wonder?

Nigerian FG spends 70% of its budget on recurrent expenditure. Supposedly $4 billion+ year on petrol subsidies, 95% of which is stolen or carted away to Niger Republic.

When you have a country run by people who don't know what they are doing, there shouldn't be any surprise that the country doesn't progress.

I even like the Benin Republic, Niger Republic, Cameroon folks. No oil subsidy in their own country, just smuggle cheap oil from Nigeria!  

Benefit from the idiocity of your neighbor, the good for nothing self-proclaimed "Giant of Africa."

Who calls Nigeria the giant of Africa anyway, aside from us Nigerians?

Smh

arsenefc:
What other evidence does a sane person need?


Some people sha.     .    . even if you present Tinubu to them, with cocaine in his hands, they still wouldnt believe. Like they claim he was in the US in 2008. Liars! Liars!! liars!!! No credibility whatsoever, just like their mentor, BAT.

God save Yorubaland from these akatas

I missed this edit of yours.

Whoever bought your education wasted their money. You passed through school, but school did not pass through you.

May God save Yorubaland from slanderers, socialists and people who evidently cannot read and process information.

IJN, amen.

dayokanu:
Dapo, Iphone is not a necesity, Oil is a necesity.

So Nigerians could not afford oil w/o the subsidy? Do you have evidence of this? How much oil does your typical Nigerian consume per year? Is he spending 40% or 50% of his budget on oil?

BTW, given that most of the subsidy is stolen away and your typical Nigerian sees very little of the subsidy, how is he surviving now if the oil is too expensive?

Assuming a particular vaccine that every American needs to take daily comes mainly from China and its very expensive, Would the US govt leave it to market forces to dictate?

Where would the US government get the money for the subsidy? Through additional taxation, right? The subsiidy would only distort the market. I doubt the US government would subsidize it, except for the very poor perhaps.

Unlikely to be a blanket subsidy.

Crude oil is local to Nigeria, Refined oil can be made in Nigeria So why pay the same amount as countries who dont have it locally?

Why not just pay market prices? Even if there is oil refined in Nigeria, who would want to sell the refined oil in Nigeria if they can make double the money selling it elsewhere?

Never in life do you gain something for nothing.

I bet vodka would be cheaper in Russia than in US, Just like Amala would be cheaper in Nigeria than in Siberia.
IF YOU WANT NIGERIANS TO PAY EQUAL AMOUNT AS AMERICANS THEN PAY THEM AS MUCH AS AMERICANS

I wish this worked for iPhones, meat, cars, computers, home furnishings, etc. All of which Nigerians pay roughly the same price (or more!) than Americans.

The government should subsidize meat, computer, cement, potato, pounded yam, rice, gari, palm wine, etc. 100% of the budget spent on recurrent expenditure. Just purely on subsidies.

In fact everything should be free. Where the money will come from, only God knows.

lmao Ileke-Idi cannot cook

Useless woman 

You'd better learn to cook wellu wellu so you can find a husband

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/convict

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/settlement

Carefully observe that these two words don't mean the same thing

LogicPower:
Onlytruth: "Minus SE and parts of SS; SW would not be economically better than the North believe me."

I find it very, very difficult to believe this, simple because of the three obvious advantages I think the SW has over the North: access to the sea, much higher level of educational advancement and ethnic homogeneity.

Hehe don't worry about it. It doesn't even matter. What is more important is splitting the country apart. 5-10 years time we can see whether their predictions were correct or not.

So long as dumb socialists don't gain power, the future is bright, imo.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=767884.msg9219724#msg9219724 date=1317011947]Lol dude, I went in the RECENT millennium. You should be comparing yourself to ekt_bear who thinkks Ekiti is a continent   Fake Ekitis [/quote]


"Africa Ekiti is not a country!"

dayokanu:
The cost of the cheapest bread in Nigeria might be like N25.

Can you tell me where you can get bread for $0.15 in the US?

It cannot be the same loaf of bread selling for N25. Even the cost of the wheat to make that loaf costs more than that. I don't think you are comparing the same quantities of bread.

A plate of Amala in the US goes for at least $12-$15 While the same plate of Amala in Nigeria would go for less than $5.

Labor intensive food to make. Labor in US costs more.

iphone cant be cheaper because its not produced in Nigeria.

Aha!

So is the refined oil which is being subsidized produced in Nigeria? No, it is not. . . most is imported, very little locally produced. So why is it being sold for less than it costs to import it?

Selling oil for the same price as they sell for in US would only make sense if the purchasing power in Nigeria is similar to the US

How about things should just be sold for whatever the market price is?

People buy with money they make, So where do you expect them to get money to buy from?

Let me answer your question with the same question I've asked repeatedly. Why doesn't the government subsidize meat too? Or iPhones? Or groundnut? Or Toyota Corollas? Pr0stitutes? Why is an oil subsidy any more worthy than subsidizing these other things?

I was there and saw him live. In the same way he is an ex-convict, and in the same way you have common sense, and in the same way you were on the ground in Chicago (perhaps you bought drugs from him? ) to conclude that he is guilty of what he was accused of.

Hehe

How does that saying go, "Don't argue with a fool, people from afar won't be able to tell the difference."

We are done here.

Anyway, let no man who claims to be able to reason call Tinubu an ex-convict again.

Yes, escorts, manual labor, etc is going to be cheaper in Nigeria.

But anything where the price of labor isn't a major factor will be about the same (or more expensive in naija)

So why is an oil subsidy sensible, but a groundnut/amala/rice/iPhone subsidy not? That really is my question for you, DK

You can get very cheap bread in the US for a price comparable to that which you get in Nigeria.

The things that are cheaper in Nigeria are only those things that are very labor intensive. Everything else is comparable pricewise.

I'm obviously wasting my time here.

I won't respond to most of your post. However, I will respond to this:

and the fact that BAT cant step on US soil, EVER. He hasnt been in the US since he ran away from Chicago.

He was in North Carolina a few years ago and gave a talk at an Ekiti event there. This was around 2008, 2009 or so. In a nutshell, you have no clue what you are talking about.

Regarding "common sense?" Heh, well common sense is only useful it is comes from a sensible person. Hopefully you can read between the lines and figure out what I am saying with this jibe remark.

^--  Price of bread in Nigeria is probably similar to to the price say in the US.

Same with rice and meat.

Why doesn't the government subsidize bread, rice and beef in Nigeria, using this reasoning of yours?

I have a 2006 Macbook Pro which I'm looking to replace, I want to upgrade to the 2011 Macbook Pro. Can the Nigerian government subsidize that too?

Things cost what they cost. Bread, rice, beef, mac books, doesn't just become cheaper just because you live in a poor country.

^-- Hrm. Since @jensinmi gets to c/p his old post, why don't I just link to the old thread where this was discussed:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-665393.0.html

Pardon my laziness, but I actually have something due in a few days I'm working on. I can respond more thoroughly later in the week if you like.

arsenefc:
When I say "in our mind," I meant  our collective mind.


he is an ex-convict, whether you want to admit it or not.


Just because he didnt to time doesnt mean he is/was not guilty. Forfeiting more than half a milli, in my mind, and in the minds of many a Nigerian, is an admission of  guilt, which makes him a criminal and an ex-convict, in theory and in our collective consciousness.

Interesting theory. But in reality, he is as much an ex-convict as he is:
A) child despoiler
B) an ex-astronaut who visited the Moon in 1937 or something
C) Christopher Columbus, Napoleon or Genghis Khan

If many Nigerians think he is Christopher Columbus, that reflects poorly on them, certainly not on him. Or is it his fault that those Nigerians evidently are high off of generator fumes?

In any case, why should we give a damn about the "minds of many a Nigerian?"

How many of these Nigerians were on the ground in Chicago in the 90s when these events actually took place, for them to judge him?

Who made them judges anyway?

Fvck 'em, and fvck their opinions on this issue, imo.

If anyone calls Tinubu an ex-convict, then he should call them a goat-fvcker. Makes as much sense.

Interesting.