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Tear down the abandoned properties, auction off the land and deport the aliens

How much money will this program cost?

And where will the money come from?

WTF? Where are the mods?

Imo, disable people from posting pictures unless they've been registered for 5+ days. This is lame, some of us are using work internet connections to visit this site. . .

We need to be careful of. . . dangerous patriotism, btw. The type of patriotism that causes you to bury your head in the sand and ignore the accomplishments of others.

That SA has done this doesn't diminish Nigeria, or mean that we need to tear them down.

We should take it as impetus to improve.

Beaf:
So he has to have received orders to be credited with making the first ever African aircraft? Maybe I'm missing something, but Tim Berners-Lee wrote the first browser and he is credited for the invention. Who cares if google chrome is commercially successful, does that make them the first to have made a browser? If not, why supping up to SA, because they have a company with 50 orders?

[size=14pt]Abeg, all hail Mubarak the Nigerian builder of the first ever African aircraft.[/size]

OK, I kind of see your perspective now.

And I would sort of agree if ithe OP's title said only "African aircraft." In which case you'd have a legitimate gripe (though implicit in this article is that it is the first commercially viable military plane, not just somebody's project.)

But the OP's title is first "African Military Plane." So I don't see the relevance here of this guy you mention? Or how it is accurate to say that Koruji is "supping up to SA."

WTF does this Mubarak Muhammad Abdullahi have to do with this company or what is being discussed?

Kudos to him of course. But presumably he hasn't received 50 orders for his $10 million planes.

Or should we compare a guy who wrote a web browser himself in Java for a class project with Google Chrome?

There is a difference between personal projects and commercial-grade products.

I even wonder how fishermen came to purportedly own so much land.

So fisherman owns land

farmer owns the sky

birds own the sea

etc

MDGs, top 20 economies by 2020, even eliminating simple polio or building roads.

Nigeria is truly a mediocre country. I dunno what the deal is

They won't ever return home. Economic opportunity is higher elsewhere than home.

If a man has a thriving business somewhere in the north, he is very unlikely to abandon it.

Hasn't Anambra been run down by APGA?

Peter Obi is widely considered a failure, no?

From JULIANA TAIWO-OBALONYE, Abuja
Tuesday, September 27, 2011


The Presidential Committee on Security Challenges in the North-east zone, yesterday submitted its final report with a recommendation that the Federal Government grant amnesty to members willing to surrender. The committee was set up following the bomb attacks by the Islamic sect in parts of the country and with specific targets of government establishment.

The panel headed by Ambassador Usman Gaji Galtimari, while submitting the report at the State House yesterday to Vice President Namadi Sambo who received it on behalf of President Goodluck Jonathan, urged that “the Federal Government should fundamentally, consider the option of dialogue and negotiation which should be contingent upon the renunciation of all forms of violence and surrender of arms to be followed by rehabilitation.”

The committee also told Sambo, that the Jaamatus Ahlus Sunnah Lid Daawatis Wal Jihad, aka Boko Haram, has nominated the Sultan of Sokoto, Alhaji Sa’ad Abubakar III or his representative, the Emir of Bauchi and Sheik Abubakar Gero Argungu, as its representative in any Federal Government team that will negotiate with its members.

To this end, the panel, which had earlier submitted its preliminary report to the Secretary to the Government of the Federation, Chief Pius Anyim Pius, said “therefore Government may consider constituting another committee with wider powers and with increased membership to handle the assignment within a reasonable time frame but not weeks as was given to this committee.”

The committee, which said it had interacted with various stakeholders including the State Governors of Bornu, Bauchi, Kano, Niger and Sokoto and the Sultan of Sokoto among other traditional rulers, also urged, “the Federal Government to diversify and strengthen its means of creating avenues for international intelligence sharing and inter-agency cooperation through diplomatic channels/pacts.”
It added that, “the Federal Government should create an informal forum at the highest level, where Mr. President will discuss national security issues with governors and other major stakeholders from time to time. Again, there is an urgent need for arranging an informal forum where Mr. President will grant audience to each state governor on one-to-one basis where issues on security, could be addressed.”

“It further recommended that “the Federal Government and Borno State Government should ensure that human and organisational victims most especially, churches and mosques including schools, which were destroyed during religious crises in the past and even in the recent past, should be compensated monetarily and by way of resuscitating and reconstructing their properties. Survivors of the deceased victims should be compensated appropriately.”

The panel listed the remote and immediate causes of the present security challenges in the country, to include among others: “high level of poverty and illiteracy existing in the North-east; massive unemployment of youths, both skilled and unskilled; and existence of private militias that were established, funded and used by politicians and individuals and then dumped after having been trained to handle arms.”
Other causes, according to the panel, are “presence of large number of almajiris who together with those mentioned above could easily be used as canon-fodders to ignite and sustain crisis and “ influx of illegal aliens resulting from porous and unmanned borders coupled with provocative and inciting preaching by some religious clerics.”
Also listed to be the immediate causes of the ongoing terrorist attacks are “the extra-judicial killing of the sect leader, Mohammed Yusuf and some members of the sect by security agents”, and “weak governance and failure to deliver services in the wake of huge resources accruing to state and local governments.”

The panel further stressed that on the part of the security forces there are palpable operational lapses, service rivalry, under funding, under-equipment and lack of collaboration; while governments have failed to deliver justice and bring immediate relief to victims of the crises.

Also cited as a major discovery by the panel is the “general failure of effective and coordinated intelligence gathering and its deployment to forestall events with undesirable consequences,” stressing that, “in this direction, there is no high level security network/forum (outside the statutory national security institutions) that will enable an informal meeting between Mr. President and the governors as well as other top level security stakeholders.”

It further noted that crises became more frequent due to “the lack of an institutional structure/arrangment to primarily cater for inter-religious affairs to promote harmonious co-existence confounded the problems.”
“The committee was inundated with series of complaints that the increasing level of insecurity in the country was amongst other reasons due to the failure of governments to implement reports of various committees that were constituted and had submitted useful recommendations in the past.”

Receiving the report from the committee members, Vice President Sambo who was joined by the National Security Adviser, General Andrew Azazi, the Secretary to Government of Federation, Senator Anyim Pius Anyim and Speaker of the House of Representatives, Alhaji Aminu Tambuwal, promised to implement the recommendations as contained in the report; even as he thanked the members of panel for a job well done.
The committee was inaugurated by the SGF in August with a two-week life span but after expiration of the duration, it turned-in its first report, and requested for more time to do a thorough job, which government graciously granted.


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/sept/27/national-27-09-2011-002.html

The revolution led to them becoming enemies of the US and thus an international pariah.

This makes it difficult to trade and get investment.

If they were friendly with the US today, their country would be wealthier and better off.

The coup. . . well, arguably the coup led to the revolution.

Hrm:

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=769315.msg9227246#msg9227246 date=1317103577]CNN Marketplace Africa: And you particularly wanted Africans?

Wale Tinubu: Yes, I wanted Africans, I wanted Africans, Nigerians first and Africans next, I had my reasons for doing so, because I wanted to also prove as we were doing, that we could build indigenous world class operations, so the company is 100% Nigerian, well African as the world could say, but it’s run and operated by Africans with world class standards, (Robyn – on every level), on every level, yes.

CNN Marketplace Africa: And is that a matter of point for you, that you just want to say: Listen, we can do it?

Wale Tinubu: Certainly, there’s a point to be proven there, but I think we’ve proven the point long ago, but it’s also just practical in the sense that here’s a change for them to be able to take the same skills that they’ve learned all over the world and apply them into developing their own local community.[/quote]Pretty cool.

OT: Your thoughts on body piercings? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Elaine_Davidson_Front.jpg)

Link: http://www.cp-africa.com/2011/09/24/cnn-interviews-oando-c-e-o-wale-tinubu-interview-transcripts-tune-in/

I don't see how coup, revolution and warfare will increase the overall well-being of your country.

There might be a short-term boost in immigrants making an impact abroad, but in the long run it only slows you down.

If you avoid those events, then you get to spend more money at home doing useful things. Things that increase the quality of your talent pipeline.

PhysicsQED:
What bad events?

Coup against their democratic gov't by the west to install a western-friendly Shah, Islamic Revolution, being enemies of the US for 30+ years now, war against Iraq.

Anyway, I think they had a little bit of a head start  compared to us if what's written here is to be believed:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_education_in_Iran

Regardless, I agree with your general conclusion.

Perhaps it isn't a fair comparison. They've been wealthier than Nigeria per capita for the past 40+ years, according to Google public data. India and Pakistan might be fairer comparisons.

I don't think either of us has the numbers.

I have general impressions based upon the #s I've seen at the different institutions I've seen and visited (both universities and companies.)

I also have #s for an undergraduate class I'm involved in teaching this term.

So my #s might not be broad and representative, yes. Certainly not as good as an official survey. But better than nothing. And enough to make some basic inferences.

So what would be a fair comparison?

Anyway even if you want to ignore northern Nigeria and focus on southern Nigeria alone (which is roughly similar in population to Iran), still not comparable.

Granted, we can say X, Y and Z happened, this is why Nigeria is underperforming. But Iran has had several pretty bad events in its recent history too.

PhysicsQED:
@ ekt bear, what useless things are Nigerians studying that you've come across where you're at?

The only person I came across was one girl who was studying philosophy.

I came across another girl studying psychology who later switched to pre-med.

Almost all the Nigerians I came across were studying a pre-med course or engineering or in rare cases they were studying mathematics or physics. Other than that, I don't see that many Nigerians studying "useless" things.

Sociology, black studies, things of that sort.

But the statement is about # studying useful things across groups, not comparing # studying useless things.

PhysicsQED:
Chyke Doubeni on that list is of Nigerian origin. Probably from the SE going by his first name.

http://www.umassmed.edu/fmch/faculty/Doubeni_Chyke.cfm

He got his medical degree in Lagos.

Interesting, I didn't know that. Last name didn't sound Nigerian at all to me when I glanced at the list.

Still, although this particular example isn't as tight as I'd have liked, overall I think the point made (a country under-performing relative to its population) stands.

PhysicsQED:
I think the issue here is just money. Smart people often avoid going into academia if their family's economic situation is not comfortable.

Nigeria has produced some quality individuals in academia, but yeah, not enough relative its size.

It isn't academia alone that bothers me. I'm talking just about the # of Nigerians you'd even see studying useful things relative to other lower-income countries that are comparable or much smaller in size. I just see a general negative pattern, and am not sure it will ever quite be fixed. Unless something drastic is done.

Slightly OT, but naija's population doesn't seem to give it any advantage over smaller countries.

Take a look at the recently released list of 2011 PECASE winners:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/09/26/president-obama-honors-outstanding-early-career-scientists

No Nigerian names. Possibly no black or African names.

Several Persian names. And Iran is 1/2 the size of Nigeria.

So what is the point of all this population?

Doesn't seem useful for doing anything, does it?

Quality >>> quantity.

Better a country of 2 million that performs well on average versus an underperforming country of 160 million.

We are doing something deeply, deeply wrong as a people, country, and continent. I grow more and more pessimistic about our prospects.

He is saying all the right words. But talk is cheap. Is he backing any of it up?

^-- What is even interesting to me is that the guy in the OP is actually doing something that will be relevant for Africa.

Yet some with their myopic thinking will say, "no dey change. . . naija"

There isn't really too much that hasn't been already said in the other thread.

Some will digest the arguments against subsidy and agree, others will not.

It is what it is.

For overpopulated (which is what you were discussing, I think), you should look at density, though.

^-- pop of US is ~300 million.

And it is one of the largest countries on earth.

So pop/area is very low.

Pop of all of North America is about ~530 million, according to wiki.

Congrats to Adesokan. You have made your land proud.

lagcity:
who said anything about secession. Igbos always think yorubas are like them who bail and scream biafra at the slightest difficulty. bunch of wimps. stop sucking yoruba Joystick and go find yourself some Igbo university girl to gang rrape

hehe

Won't the money just be stolen?

By LEKE ADESERI, South-West Regional Editor
LAGOS—Federal House of Representatives has started addressing the terrible state of federal roads nationwide.

Towards this end, Speaker of the House, Hon. Aminu Tambuwal, has referred a motion on the important issue to the House Committee on Works for proper harmonisation and report back to it.

Kick-starting the debate on the need for the House to address the sufferings of Nigerians who use the roads, Hon. Sunday Steve Karimi, representing Yagba Federal Constituency of Kogi State, made a case for a Special Intervention Fund in a motion of urgent national importance moved on the floor of the chamber last Wednesday.

He said there must be an urgent move for the creation of an N800 billion Special Intervention Fund to be injected into the reconstruction, expansion and maintenance of the roads, as a way out of the terrible road situation in the country.



He said: “The special fund will be managed by a Special Task Force to be instituted by the President of the Federal Republic.”

The lawmaker lamented the inability of the Federal Road Maintenance Agency,FERMA, to adequately address the challenges posed by the enormity of work the agency is saddled with all over the country.

He said the condition of the roads have gone beyond the palliative measures being embarked upon by FERMA as the roads need total re-construction with full expansion.

“The House notes with concern, the continuous and the embarrassing rate at which the network of roads linking all parts of the country have turned today. This trend has assumed a dimension, which to my mind, this chamber can no longer continue to ignore and I believe we must rise up to this challenge as representatives of our people.

“In many parts of the country today, normal business activities have been completely crippled.

There are daily avoidable deaths on these roads owing to their present state”, Karimi said as he noted that most budgetary allocation for road building, rehabilitation and maintenance, are usually less than thirty percent utilized yearly and most times the fund are returned to the Federal purse as unspent while the funds are never rolled over to the road projects in the subsequent road budgeting.

“The House is also worried that the present zero budgeting, being practiced by the Federal Government, is not in any way helping road construction and rehabilitation in Nigeria, more so that there have not been an alternative funding outside Government provisions. One is also worried that the Public Private Partnership (PPP) scheme has not yielded the much expected desired result till date.

“The House should mandate the President to create a special intervention fund of N800 billion to be managed by a special task force, working in liaising with the Federal Ministry of Works. The intervention fund will be a rolling fund, specifically for the roads.

“ The Special Task Force will be a creation of the Presidency and should be adequately equipped with engineers and consultants, to act within a limited period of time and will be devoid of bureaucratic bottleneck. The task force will immediately set in motion the process to create ‘quick win’ road projects”, Hon. Karimi said.

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/09/rep-seeks-n800bn-lifeline-for-federal-roads/

When did Hausa/Fulani become the majority in Adamawa?

Anyway, she was elected to serve in a Bachama constituency, right? So wth does that have to do with H/F?