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[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758382.msg9135398#msg9135398 date=1315895322]Well let them decide. Give them the choice.

Nigeria is still a democratic country. . . .right? I haven't checked in a while, hope the april election hasnt changed things.[/quote]This is all hypothetical.

Anyway, I wouldn't be taking away choice. Just making you bear the financial burden fully yourself.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=758382.msg9135363#msg9135363 date=1315894841]@omo Ekiti

Having more than one child is not "bad behavior".

Well, your idea has its faults. Why "punish" families who can support 7 children, but has 5 children? How do you determine when the income is "just" right, and since employment is not ALWAYS static, what happens when the money stops rolling in or when more money starts rolling in?

Tax deduction? in a civilized region, more refunds are given to families with more money. . . . so I guess the opposite would make sense in Nigeria.[/quote]Simple. Primary and secondary education, which I'd ordinarily have the state subsidize, I start taking away the subsidy as you have more and more kids.

So it isn't punishing anyone, just making them bear the full consequences of their decisions.

Have 100 kids if you like. You'd just better also find money to send them all to school. . . the state will only subsidize the first 2 (but will still tax you anyways.)

Onlytruth:
@ekt_bear

How you dey?
Since I found out you hang in my circle here in Cali, I've decided to give you a break.

BTW I'm laughing at your

Well, don't even go there in naija.  

Doing well man, cannot complain.

I don't need any breaks btw, I'm tough enough

At my last comment, yep. In a multi-ethnic society like Nigeria with very backwards people like Hausa in it, unilaterally declaring population control for your ethnic group is slow suicide

People should have the # of children they can AFFORD.

But you have to keep in mind that educating a child properly up to age 18 or so is EXPENSIVE. Not to mention university after that.

If you have 7 kids and cannot afford to send them to school, then you are creating a burden on society, in my opinion.

Either (A) society writes a check to educate your children or (B) your children become the equivalent of almajiris (thugs and ne'er do wells here in the US.) Neither is desirable to me.

Personally I think having 2 kids but raising them really well, sinking a lot of money into them to ensure they have a wonderful childhood/upbringing/education is way better than having 4 kids and not having enough resources for them.

Also, if some people have too many kids then it makes it harder to have things like "free primary/secondary education." Because then that means that the people who obey the rules (not having too many kids) subsidize those who don't obey the rules.

My best friend has this buddy out in Maryland who has 7 kids already at age 27 or so   Dude doesn't bother with any birth control with his wife. . . they've been popping out kids since they started dating in HS

Who do you think is paying for his kids to be educated? The Maryland taxpaper (i.e., my best friend and other folks), not him. That to me seems very wrong.

I wouldn't do one child. Just penalize having too many kids. E.g., you get a tax deduction if you have less than 3 kids, but as soon as you have your third tax deduction goes away.

Extra school/university fee surcharges for child #3, #4, etc.

Basically there are lots of ways to incentive good behavior and punish bad behavior.

If I were president of Yorubaland I'd try to control population growth. But in Nigeria, you cannot do that. Otherwise quickly you'll be outnumbered numerically by people who don't give a sh1t about the # of kids they have.

mama-gee again

^-- US has a much slower pop growth rate than Nigeria?

And it is a huge country, one of the largest in the world.

Pop density of Nigeria is 433 per square mile.

China sef is at 363.

US is at 83.

(see this.)

too many kids=poverty

However, population control is not realistic in Nigeria. In a post-Nigeria setting, yes, I'm all for it

Hmm

Congratulations to her.

Now that she has won, she needs to give big daddy (me) a call

@alj_harem: Nothing wrong with expressing themselves. What I question is whether they have their priorities straight.

Wow!

And I wasn't even exaggerating!

Pervasive poverty, worsened by unchecked government corruption, is as much part of the problem as fervent religious belief. A stark economic contrast between the mainly Muslim north and the Christian and animist south is also fanning the flames. Literacy rates in the north-east are two-thirds lower than in Lagos, the southern business hub. Less than 5% of women are able to read and write in some northern states. Income per head is 50% lower than in the Christian south. The lack of economic opportunities is driving some into the arms of radicals.

http://www.economist.com/node/21526939

GDP/capita in the north is roughly $700ish. In Palestine, was $1100ish in 2005 (see this link.)

So again, who should be protesting for whom?

They are entitled to their freedom of speech, but shouldn't they face their problems closer to home that make them worse off than the Palestinians?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=758306.msg9134728#msg9134728 date=1315880768]You don't wish to deny any Nigerian the freedom to express themselves as they see fit do you? Do you know who the demonstrators are or what other causes they champion?[/quote]They are entitled to their freedom of speech. Maybe it is just me, but I don't protest for people better off than me. Would be kinda weird, no?

Shouldn't they focus on their problems first?

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=758306.msg9134704#msg9134704 date=1315880049]Many of you bigots jump at every opportunity to vomit your evil and very uncivilized verbal venom. Hitler himself had a great desire to limit freedom of expression which eventually led to the holocaust. You evil ones, like Hitler are now reigning all kinds of abuse on people who are simply exercising their freedom of expression.

You fools have already forgotten that apatheid would have remained in effect were it not for the good people from different parts of the world who protested against it.  Shame on you guys.[/quote]Freedom of speech is fine. But a patient suffering from cancer should probably focus on taking his cancer medicine rather than some dude in the middle east's cold, no?

How can the poverty-striken, polio-ridden, uneducated people of Kano be demonstrating for Palestinians? People who are probably better off than they are? 

Palestinians should be demonstrating for Kano indigenes, not the other way around

Israel and Palestine should be at the bottom of the priority list for 'em.

So many other things to deal with.

Southern minority, northern minority = group that isn't part of the big 3. Granted, there is a bit of circularity in the definitions here.

NE is not purely hausa, but is populated by "hausaized" peoples (kanuri and fulani.) I think it is fair to describe at least Nigerian kanuri and fulani in that way.

SS is mostly southern minorities + some igbos

NC is mostly northern minorities + some yoruba

nw + ne are hausa + hausaized peoples

largely speaking, from what I've observed so far from nigerian politics zone is politically correct talk for ethnicity

anyway her husband is from the SE, so I guess she is "property" of that zone now (i hope no women reading this get offended by this statement )

Like I said, you are entitled to your opinion, I to mine

I think we are the best, she is welcome to think the same about her group

They should be protesting and calling for "death to polio."

[quote author=South-East link=topic=758181.msg9134111#msg9134111 date=1315868095]WTF, school boy, is there anything she said that is incorrect? We have gone over these statistics here several times.
Once Nigeria separates, the demon linked to the word Nigeria will be exorcised from an Igbo country and the potentials will be realized sooner than later.[/quote]*shrug*

She is entitled to her opinion, I am entitled to mine

Can't be mad at her for loving her people, at least.