₦airaland Forum

Sagamite:
I can see no matter how you put it in some people's heads, they are too thick to see that there are no valid grounds between faggotism and civil rights. Every grounds they raise means one can apply it to some other depraved activity to have grounds to justify their "case" by comparing their cause to civil rights.

You point it out to them but they remain defiant and stick to their stewpid position.

That is by the way.

I want to ask a question. This mainly goes to londoner, eku_bear, mannylife and Jenifa.

If a man on a nice sunny weekend decides he wants to have a good and enjoyable weekend and wears his clothes, looks in his wallet, finds some change of about £6.20. He heads to a corner shop near his abode, buys bottled water of £1.20, buys a pack of cigarette for £3.00 and a bar of soap for £0.80.

He lights up a stick of cigarette whilst strolling down to his nearest underground station. At the entrance to the station, he extinguishes his half smoked cigaretter because it is against the law to smoke in the underground network. He checks his map to see how to get to his target destination, Trafalgar Square.

He catches the next train, makes the necessarily connections and arrives at Trafalgar Square. He exits the station, heads for the Square itself, smiles at the tourists in a polite manner. He then sits by the fountain in the nice sunny day, brings out his soap and water, takes off his trousers, spreads out his leg, adds water to the soap and then begins a delightful self-pleasuring right there in front of everybody.

Should he be left alone and be allowed to go home or should he be arrested? If you think he should be arrested, on what grounds and why?

He should probably arrested for indecent exposure. Let's call this case A.

Your argument is likely that two gays holding hands, kissing in public is similarly offensive to the public.

Personally, I don't want to see two gays kissing in public any more than I want to see some dude wanking. Call two gays kissing case B.

But. . . I'm a strange man, with strange dislikes. I also don't necessarily like seeing white man/black woman couples kissing in public (I'm not joking at all, this somehow irritates me.) Call this case C.

And no doubt there are white and black folks who would be similarly pissed off by seeing me and say a white girl kissing in public. Call this case D.

So what underlying principle do we use to ban A, allow C and D, but ban B?

I'd love to hear an internally consistent argument for this.

Sagamite, public exposure is obviously a bit different from being gay.

In any case, have to run to some meetings. Will respond in a couple hours.

Mob justice in Nigeria is pretty scary.

That is actually a pretty depressing story. Damn.

Sounds good, $500 million is a good start. Though it'd be best if we were spending 10X this amount on roads; Lagos State budget is too small 

However, it would be nice if the newspapers would present this data in tabular format.

And would be nice if we could see how much was spent last year.

74 billion by itself isn't doesn't tell us much unless we have something to compare it to.

Perhaps someone here can dig up this data? If not, I'll do it sometime later in the week.

This Edwin Clark is a ruthless fella.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=592779.msg7642327#msg7642327 date=1296508983]Booo. . . . Boring!

DOA!!!

Talk of Lesbos in a Sharia setting or talk of nothing at all!

Capisce?[/quote]Nah you'd be surprised, there are a lot of people who like sci-fi/fantasy stuff. Nerds eat it up. Plus I'm more likely to write a successful sci-fi book than this other type.

SEFAGO:
LOL, beats me too
Are u making fun of me  ? But honestly though, I have noticed that the West loves books that exoticise (is that a word?) a particular culture (Well not just the west actually)

No, I'm dead serious. Islam+homosexuality+africa+women = NYTimes best seller.

My own idea for a book was to take Yoruba origin myths and legends and placing them in a science-fiction setting. Not clear how impactful it would be, though. Not to mention the fact that I have zero experience writing literature.

Buhari has no chance of winning w/o an alliance with the ACN.

Bakare cannot deliver the SW.

Buhari's handlers/advisors. . . absolutely terrible.

Bosh better not miss the all-star team

And F durant, he is a punk.

fstranger (or anyone else), have you read Forest of a Thousand Demons?

Thinking about buying it from amazon.

The two lesbians story sounds like gold. Definitely a NY Times best seller, at least

Where is Beaf?

I eagerly await his comments.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=595370.msg7637112#msg7637112 date=1296448146]To be honest, I swear some Igbos clans will still scream marginalization. Not naming any names.  In Aba, you hear traders complaining about Igbos from Anambra. Many Igbos in Abia and Ebonyi fear Anambra domination and I don't know why.[/quote]Expound on this. Abagoworo and others have alluded to it. Central vs. peripheral Igbo, etc.

alj harem:
remember, the fulanis us to sell hausa slaves to yorubas as a way of showing there support and love to the yrobas

but as usual the tribal yorubas did not see this instead they wanted kwara back and kogi which was part of kwara provice

smh

it would have been kanuri/hausa/fulani/yoruba today

but yorubas are just too tribal

Lol, that isn't how it happened. Yes, certain parts of Yorubaland enslaved lots of Hausa, but it was just business. I highly doubt we'd have been together at all.

asha 80:
the civil war affected the igbos better believe it.the war simply made the igbos to be more individualistic than they were previously.

as for the yorubas maybe they were victim of their own success(education wise)

Complacency. Not enough hunger and ambition. Content with what they have rather than seeking more. Things are changing from what I've seen to some extent, but overall I'm very dissatisfied.

jason123:
You are quite right. It is really sadden to say the least. I think we have gotten too lazy for our own good. The over-dependance on oil has really gotten to our elites to the extent that they now lack direction. Lord please help us!

When did I say anything about elites? I'm talking about individuals, not elites.

I think Yoruba people peaked in the late 1700s, early 1800s. Then were great again in the Western region under Awolowo. Since then have been on the decline. . . 

It pains me.

Some sort of malaise, and I don't know what caused it. . .

We need to be revitalized.

Anyway, let's not derail the thread with this discussion; I guess it is now clear that Yoruba are natives of Togo.

Back to Obiagu's idea to found a new homeland  

Dude, the map you yourself posted shows it!

Nago = Yoruba.

The town mentioned is a Yoruba town.

Founded by the Yoruba people, Atakpamé, the fifth largest city in Togo by population (84,979 inhabitants in 2006), is a city in the Plateaux Region of Togo. It is an industrial centre and lies on the main north-south highway, 161 km north of the capital Lomé. It is also a regional commercial centre for produce and cloth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atakpam%C3%A9

So in what sense are Yoruba not native to Togo?

EzeUche, take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Atakpam%C3%A9

We've been in Togo for 240+ years now.

That I think is enough time to qualify as natives.

Examples of such regulations against immigration of aliens included:  Ghana Nationality and Citizenship Act, (1957); the  Deportation Act, 1957 (Act 15) in Ghana; the Deportation Amendment Act, 1958 (Act 49); the Deportation (Amendment) Act, 1959 (Act. 65) in Ghana; Employment of Visitors Act (1968) and Immigration Act (1966) in Botswana; Immigration Act (1963) in Nigeria; Act of 1962 in Gabon; Immigration and Quota System in Sierra Leone; and the Passport and Immigration Act (1960) and Manpower Act of 1974 in Sudan.  As Akinsanya notes, the economic nationalism in less developed countries was
characterised by a drive to increase or gain  control over their economies, especially alien owned enterprises.
 
The deportation orders were rooted in colonial ideology despite attempts by some African nationalists to revive African communal life. Both Sekou Toure of Guinea and Nyerere of Tanzania practiced African Socialism. Peil provides examples of how Ghanaian fishermen were deported from Guinea; Nigerian traders were deported from Cameroon, Ivory Coast, Ghana and Zaire; Civil servants from Dahomey left Ivory Coast and Niger; and Togolese farmers and labourers were deported from Ghana and Ivory Coast in the process providing employment opportunities for the natives.

In the 1950s, the emerging psychological unity of new nationhood ensured the Africanization of institutions and government services to insulate countries against alien or European influence while in the 1960s, the expulsion of alien commercial groups of African descent became the common theme of enforcing indigenisation and political authority.

Africa appears to be a very xenophobic continent.

asha 80:
one question though.yorubas in the past were hard nosed traders and businessmen.i want to know what happened?it seems that quite a lot now are aversed to trading come business

You've got me beat, man. I dunno. My paternal grandmother was a trader herself. I guess with education, we started looking down on these things? A bit silly, truth be told.

This is one thing I admire about Igbo people. They are never to proud to trade and move to new places. Whatever has made Yoruba people look down on these things is very bad, imo.

I'm not entirely convinced that the civil war defeated your people. In some sense, I think it might have made you stronger.

Bah. Looks like were in Ghana, but got kicked out:

http://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/pdfs/rasheed-olaniyi

Now I need to read through this and find out why it happened 

Lol. The full editorial is well-worth reading. Soludo b1tchslapped Aganga.

I'd really like to see Aganga's response, if any, to this article.

My candid advice to you, Hon. Minister, is for you and your colleagues at the EMT to note that you need serious help on the economy. It is our collective destiny that is at stake. Threatening me with imprisonment or even imprisoning me will not solve the problem sir. But if you are convinced that you know what you are talking about in respect of the economy, and/or that you are sure of what you said about my regime, I challenge you to a 2-3 hour televised national debate on these issues. Indeed, within the month of February, 2011, I will publish a synopsis of the highlights of my tenure at the CBN—just for the record—- and I will challenge you to debate them live on national TV with me, Hon. Minister!

Let's have the debate!

Even at the peak of the global crisis in 2008, non-oil GDP still grew at 9% and FDI into Nigeria was still almost FOUR times what it is under you today. Hon. Minister, what pains me the most is that our worst performance in any year is still better than your best performance. Nigeria should be going forward, not backwards!

^-- No clue how so many black folk don't see the parallels between their struggle and that of the gays.

Oh well, I still love black folk and Nigerians, despite them being largely more bigoted than the whites they accuse of racism.

PhysicsMHD:
That's a very unrealistic impression. I would say definitely within the next 100 years and I wouldn't be surprised if it was even within the next 50 years.


Anyways, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

People are also trying out using lasers to produce fusion.

I found this quote interesting:

According to researchers at a demonstration reactor in Japan, a fusion generator should be feasible in the 2030s and no later than the 2050s. Japan is pursuing its own research program with several operational facilities exploring different aspects of practicability.[40]

Anyway, we shall see, I guess.

Obiagu1:
We're not going there to reclaim our ancestorial land like the Israelis and by so doing start behaving like the masters. No, we are settlers and settlers we'll remain for sometime until the difference between us and them is insignificant. This can be done by intermarrying each other. Already, Gabon has no clear ethnic boundaries and the ethnics are already highly mixed which is a plus.

We are forest people and can settle in uninhabited areas. Gabon has the least population density in Africa and ask any Togolese, they will tell you that Yoruba migrated to their country and settled and Igbos are migrating there now, but there's no problem with the ethnics there, then why Gabon?

Gabon has to be a focused migration and not like we currently do now, scattering everywhere in the world.

Yoruba people got to Togo through conquest and forced assimilation, iirc. It wasn't some sort of friendly process.

Anyway, best of luck to you in your plan. I just suggest that you study history very well and learn from it. I sympathize with your problem, at least to the extent that it doesn't threaten my own interests.

Would be very tough to be from an overpopulated, inhospitable land but surrounded on all sides by enemies blocking you from more productive lands (and I don't say this to offend you, just being realistic.)

And how realistic is fusion within the next 500 years? I'm not a physicist, but I was under the impression that progress has been almost non-existent. Correct me if I'm wrong.

PhysicsMHD:
I think technology will reach a point where we will colonize the oceans and outer space.

This I think is very unrealistic within the next 500 years. We haven't even mastered the desert. And I imagine that it would be easier to conquer the desert than the ocean. Not to talk of outer space.

Unless we find some sort of cheap source of energy in enormous amounts.

Abagworo, I have an Igbo culture and history book on my bookshelf, but have not but read bits and pieces of it.

What would you call "central Igbo" vs non-central? Which regions specifically?

And how did Igboland become so populated, but not build up any advanced government structures? No offense intended by this, I'm just curious to hear your perspective.

I must confess, I don't know as much about Igbos as I would like.

One other point. If you actually want to do this, you need some Igbo billionaire to help you co-opt the existing gov't structures. I.e., actively have the support of the Gabonese gov't to allow you guys to freely move there en masse. In particular, you'll need this gov't to help you fight off the natives who will undoubtedly oppose the new immigration.

So the first step needs to be to get someone well-placed and well-connected there.

Obiagu1:
Do you how many Igbos are in Senegal or Ivory coast? Do you thing everyone is like South Africa?

Can they be up to 5% of the population? Are they moving there en masse to essentially setup a new nation, Israeli style?

Again, people are not fools. Nobody wants to play the part of the Palestinians.

And most of these countries you suggest have a powerful patron (France) who will help layeth the smackdown on ya'll. So you pretty much need the support of France, Gabonese government, somehow avoid pissing off the natives. . .

Obiagu1:
How are you going to do it? Fight another war?

An excellent question. Not sure I can answer it in one simple forum post, though. But I think it can be done.

There is something very. . . amusing about some of these names.

"High Chief Government Ekpomupolo"