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@Ileke-IdI: They are all talk, no action. Remember Ojukwu too was like this? "Largest army in black africa", or something to that effect. Got beat up like pinatas, though.

@Kilode?!: Hah, no I have not. I'll read up on him.

Let me put it this way. . . the day that Igbos threaten Lagos is the day that your entire race will be put in jeopardy. Not just in Lagos, but in your very heartland.

Not trying to frighten you, but that is the reality. If you think Yoruba people hate you now. . . you've not seen anything yet. As things stand now, if Nigeria breaks apart, there will likely be relative peace.

But if Lagos is scratched in the process. . . there can only be longstanding enmity and warfare. And in a context like that in which I am at war with you and your people. . . well, you will end up my slaves. Simple as that.

Lol. All talk, no action.

But of course, that is your way.

Any time there is wahala in the SW, they flee Lagos like goats.

Actions (or lack thereof) speak louder than bold but empty words.

afam4eva:
firmative action.

I get your point. It's just like the affirmative action in the US. Tribalism will always be a part of what we do in this country whether we like it or not. People always tend to favour theirs more than others. There are only very few exception. Very few.

It is human nature. Everyone is tribalistic. I'm glad that OnlyTruth didn't say Yoruba people are the most tribalistic on Earth, if so I'd say that he has never interacted heavily with Chinese or Jews (not saying this to be racist against them, I admire that they want to keep things in the family.)

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7623116#msg7623116 date=1296242283]Well that is illegal in Nigeria. Just like it is in the U.S. That is why you have diversity programs in many corporations in the U.S. and affirmative action in some sectors.[/quote]Is it really illegal in Nigeria? In any case, there are always ways to get around this, just as there are in the US.

afam4eva:
Not when that outsider is more academically siund than your cousin. Why will you risk your business in the hands of someone because that person is your cousin when there are better people out there.

Yes, agreed. You cannot afford to pass up some brilliant guy who will dramatically improve your business over some mediocre or incompetent co-ethnic. Nobody in their right mind will do that (assuming they want their business to do well.)

However, very likely this is the case of a 110 versus a 112. Two guys roughly about the same level, similar qualifications and capability, yet one guy getting the spot due to satisfying certain other soft criteria. It isn't like a 130 versus a 105.

Interesting new posts.

@fstranger1: You probably take the Yale 2:1 guy over the University of Maryland 1st class guy. Dunno how these things translate into GPA and class percentile, but you generally take the person who went to the better school, unless that person has a terrible GPA or the lower-tier school guy is exceedingly brilliant.

Regarding tribalism in hiring. . . basically, a private business can hire whoever they like. If it is a Yoruba-owned or controlled business, then it is their prerogative to look to hire Yoruba first before others.

Part of that is just natural human tendency. . . if you can hire your cousin to do a job, why give it to an outsider?

smh @ some of the posters above

Lol, this is pretty awesome 

Not a traditional religionist, but I guess good to see the religion being connected with the 'net.

Though, a quick google search turns up plenty of babalawos. . . so this isn't anything new.

Eko Ile:
Obviously, Yoruba people are not the ones crying and whining for it.

For us, getting the presidency isn't a must. For ya'll, that appears to be the case.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=594225.msg7618532#msg7618532 date=1296192645]Zoning has deleted in paper, but not deleted in mind. Until true democracy reigns, until free and fair AND SAFE elections start, zoning will still be etched in their mind.[/quote]Fine and well. But how exactly do you convince others to zone you the presidency in 2015?

Who even says that GEJ wants to step down then?

2019 is more realistic. But even then, if zoning is back in force, then why would it be zoned to the SE instead of the north?

Where will they get the support from?

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=594225.msg7618485#msg7618485 date=1296191574]Actually, as a major group. . . . if the country still operates on Zoning, then they ought to demand.

If Nigeria was dealing with free and fair election, then you can say that.[/quote]Zoning has been broken by GEJ. Tossed out the window. So nobody can demand anything to be zoned to them.

They are in no position to make demands of anyone. Simple as that.

Smh.

Berom have been turned into Palestinians. Colonized within their own territory.

Very sad.

I'm glad she is so mature about it, very uncommon humility.


But. . . why did they drop her?

As I said elsewhere, the only military or police in Plateau should be UN or AU peacekeepers. And if AU peacekeepers, none from any country that has a significant population of Hausa or Fulani.

dayokanu:
The APGA needs to establish a strong base in the SE first before thinking of bringing other regions into their midst.

Like the AD once did establishing themselves in the SW and were even able to win a couple of seats in the SE due to the influence of Polycarp Nwite.

Before OBJ used the Federal might to deal with the AD and split. Tinubu gets his credibility from being able to stand up to OBJ where many fell

Indeed. First you win in the heartland, then you proceed outside of it. But leaving the heartland insecure and going elsewhere? Recipe for disaster.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: eku_bear
I would admit one thing. The caliber of men in PDP in Igboland were the creme de la creme of Igbo politics. That is part of why PDP succeeded in the rigging.

Those men have gradually left PDP to join APGA and the remnants are busy fighting over loot.
It will be a whole new ball game in April.

Which of these SE PDP politicians are actually vulnerable? They very well might ride GEJs popularity to victory themselves.

dayokanu:
Eku bear,

I would prefer Yorubas hold ACN, Hausa ANPP and Igbos hold APGA and make sure you control and these party define your expectations of the Center govt.

Then come to a compromise where you clearly state what you want from the govt not just a govt of PDP where Akala is doing thiief thief padipadi with Theodore Orji

I'm fine with that. But minority states imo are up for grabs.

In fact, everything is up for grabs. . . if the Kanuri man prefers ACN to the ANPP, who am I to deny him?

Again, may the best man win.

I know who will do best if everything is up for grabs.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: eku_bear
One word: RIGGING.

Let's see how this election turns out.

That is why Akunyili is asking hard questions.

They rigged in the SW too. . . yet the ACN has Lagos, Ekiti, Osun, Ondo through its alliance with Mimiko, Edo. And they might grab two more this next cycle  

Those who can, do.

Those who cannot, find excuses (e.g. rigging)  

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7618173#msg7618173 date=1296183843]Over my dead body. ACN will not get past Bayelsa State. Akwa Ibom state is a state that I hold dear due to my Ibibio roots. The Ibibio/Efik/Annang are more aligned with the Igbo than the Yoruba so keep on dreaming.[/quote]

Well, best to let the people of that state decide, no? You certainly aren't in a position to decide for them 

Onlytruth:
Posted by: eku_bear
No problem. We go use APGA dey eye Eko!
hehehe!

I really hope APGA understands that it can actually win zones outside of SE. 

You are welcome to try. Let the best man win. Though of course, one wonders why APGA is not yet able to win its own region, not to talk of others

jason123:
Supported! But I personally want ACN to make in-roads in the SE.

I think focusing on minority states in the middle belt and SS makes more sense and would lead to better results. Akwa Ibom for example as ACN would be pretty cool.

Wow. Link to original article?

A table with outflows/GDP would also be useful.

If Igbo leaders were all as perceptive as Abagworo, I suspect Igboland would be far better off. Or maybe many of them are, but they've been bought off.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: alj harem
Nobody sold us. Everybody endorsed Jonathan in PDP, from extreme North to extreme south. They did not lose their political rights because of that.

What you are not seeing is that the elections are still months away.
Permutations and possibilities can change OVERNIGHT.

A day in politics is like a millennium.

In other words, hope that GEJ and the PDP completely change if (well, when) he wins?

Why would he change, if he already has you in his pocket and you have no backup plan?

So, what exactly is this wholehearted support of the PDP and GEJ going to actually buy you? @Abagworo paints a very disturbing picture.

What did your leaders negotiate in return for their support?

Proly when it is all said and done, they'll get to keep the senate presidency. But it cracks me up that they'll have to cry and beg for what ordinarily should be theirs  

This Nigeria. . . still I dey laugh  

Onlytruth:
Posted by: eku_bear
And this is someone our own abagworo term non-tribalistic.

How can anyone in his right mind term this dude non-tribalistic? Beats me!  

What is tribal here? This is simply amusing. Any 3rd party will find it funny. You wholeheartedly support GEJ and the PDP, and yet another who is lukewarm to both will appear to get the benefits.

What does tribalism have to do with that?  

That GEJ is using you for his own ends and I find this hilarious = tribalism?

Sound like one of those black panther types shouting racism for everything. . .

jason123:
@ Fellow Nairalanders

This is not the time to rile anyone. This is a serious matter. If the Ndigbo feel cheated then the country would still break up since they are part of the big 3. Thats the reality.

I'm just having good-natured fun. Surely nobody can get offended by some gentle ribbing like this  

Freewilly:
Now I see  why Yoruba people can't stand Dora Akunyili the woman really knows how to stick it to them where it hurts.

I'll predict that this thread will make it to the front page of NL before the night is over so all the anti Dora monkeys can find a place to gather again.

Who said we are anti Dora? That she speaks out against this doesn't mean she (or anyone else in the SE) has power to change it.

So why should anyone be against her?   She (like the rest of the politicians in the SE) are utterly harmless. One might even call them all politically impotent

No dislike from me. All I have for her is love. . . and lots and lots of laughter  

It honestly cracks me up. Like, SW people by and large aren't even overwhelmingly PDP. So we get to enjoy our own party (ACN), but also get benefit from the PDP  

This Nigeria is a very amusing country sometimes.