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It isn't tribalism you'd be dealing with, it would be xenophobia. These are two separate issues. No country on earth where you can rapidly change the demographics without facing opposition.

Anyway, do as you wish, your plan not mine. My plan is to build up my homeland, not run away from it.

The Ijaw man has grown very powerful in Nigeria, in a short period of time. Quite impressive.

This article supports Abagworo's pov and expands on it:

http://tribune.com.ng/sun/index.php/news/3078-how-jonathan-shunned-ss-govs-aide-over-kuku

Obiagu1:
We'll not be seeking dominion over them, rather we'll work along side them to build a great country. They can't turn overly tribalistic to a people that are more than them in number else they'll lose and Igbos are known to be non-tribalist and more nationalistic.

How do you propose becoming more in # than them? Will they not notice large numbers of immigrants and react poorly? They are not fools. You should read up on the Igbo experience in Cameroon and how they responded.

We'll relocate every industry we have in Nigeria and only come to Nigeria to sell our products.

South Korea was not more than 15 yrs older than Nigeria and now they seem 2,000 yrs older.

It's only im.beciles that don't feel the pain in Nigeria and the Western world often ridicule us as the happiest nation in the world.
Tell me any sane man that will be happy that he is suffering? It's only imbeciles which I feel Nigerians are.

I feel you on both of the latter points, man  

I think the best bet is to peacefully partition Nigeria. Let everyone go their own separate way. More realistic than trying to take over Gabon, imo.

kcjazz:
In this times, eve Raph Uwazurike is changing strategy by encouraging folks to register for 2011 elections

http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/jan/29/national-29-01-2011-0019.htm

What is visionary about relocating your people to a French speaking country?
Chei! the anonymity that the internet provides gives room for too much comedy

The language is not the issue, imo. Googling around a bit, there are lots of sectors (farming, trade) which could be entered, which the locals don't have much interest in.

The problem is, when you move lots of your own coethnics into a country, the natives get restless and unhappy. And even if you managed to do this w/o pissing them off, the existing leadership has a powerful ally (France).

Language imo is pretty much irrelevant, French is not a big deal to learn.

@Obiagu1: I read up on Gabon after you mentioned it. Pretty interesting country. Seems to be a puppet of France though. So not clear to me that it would be so easy to gain dominion over it, even ignoring internal opposition.

Why do they oppose this Kuku fellow?

I love how the comments on that article owned this mumu pastor.

Silly man!

SEFAGO:
Funny people think we are the same. The problem is that we are all Nigerian, most Nigerian males behave the same way.  We all have large and overblown egos that we were born with whether rich or poor. Eku_bear does not act like us because he is not a real nigerian. Same as you. Fake Nigerians  

I dunno, I grew up in a place with lots of Nigerians. So not clear. Also, you implication that humility is not Nigerian does you and Nigerians a disservice, I think 

manny4life:
@eku_bear,

It's disheartening to see the how tensor777 spews so much hate about faggottery or whatever term he uses. On the real, it ain't that serious. My son is my son regardless of whatever sexual orientation he chooses.

It would suck if it were my ONLY son. I'd slap that boy silly if so!  I need heirs of some sort, male grandchildren.

But assuming I have some other sons, not the end of the world.

Plus I could use my son's gayness as an excuse to practice polygamy!  Who would judge me? "Eku_bear is suffering so much, his first born son is gay. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd wife would cheer him up. . . "

@Sefago: So in short, no harassment if you practice it privately? That doesn't sound like full rights to me. Gays pretty much everywhere in the world don't get trouble, so long as they are discreet.

And a quick skim of that article doesn't indicate any increased rights. Not sure if your hypothesis is supported by that article.

tensor777:
How does any parent respond. Anyway as you would guess from my posts here I would assure him that nobody was born a faggott and would try and talk some sense into him.
I would let him know the consequences of being a faggott and do all in my power to draw him out of any friends that are polluting his mind with filth.
I would in fact leave no stone unturned until he renounces faggottry, regardless of the consequences.
It will never happen that I would beget a bloody faggott to be honest.

But I assume that if all that fails, you'd eventually come to accept him and get over it? And throughout the process, he would not lose your love?

For me, my son is my son. He'd still get my unconditional love, even if he were gay.

fstranger1:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-hPNrKdZI?fs=1&hl=en_US[/flash]


Fixed for my Igbo brother

That video cracked me up first time I saw it. . . was totally unexpected

If you think gays will ever get their rights in countries like Saudi, you have another thing coming  

Even slavery is not fully eliminated in the world. Not to talk of women's rights. . .

I do agree that they'll get most of their rights in the Western world, though.

So let me ask you this, @tensor777. Hypothetical situation. You have a son.

And not an adopted son, your flesh and blood. In fact, he looks like a carbon copy of you.

He turns 20. He tells you he is gay.

How do you respond?

fstranger1:
^^^^

You mean we envy people who are suffering in the midst of plenty?

I used to be the type of person who would give money to homeless people. Not all the time, but randomly. But after my latest trip to Nigeria, I've resolved never to do this again. America truly is the land of milk and honey. If you are suffering here or doing poorly here as a native-born American citizen with no health issues, then something is wrong with you

Seeing these dudes begging on the streets and then comparing it with how people struggle in naija just pissed me off.

[quote author=Jenifa_ link=topic=593966.msg7635347#msg7635347 date=1296418146]yup. you just need to interact with them to know that they are regular human beings like us. lol
why should they be criminalized for their sexual orientation.

sefago is fstranger. . . in the closet. i'm waiting for him to come out.[/quote]Is homosexuality even a worse "sin" than lying? I thought all sins were supposed to be equally bad.

Anyway, personally at this point I don't give a damn. It doesn't affect me or my life, family, etc in any way. So why should I be so opposed to gays?

tensor777:
Would you trust them with your kids for instance or would you trust them not to gossip and spread rumours about you?
Would you entrust them with your secrets if you were to trust anyone at all with them.

To be honest, it isn't like I've gotten that close to any of them to entrust them with those things. None of my closest friends are gay (at least, as far as I know.)

But if a gay person became one of my closest friends? For example, this Indian guy in my lab who I strongly suspect is gay and who is a friend of mine?

Absolutely, yes. It isn't like he will r.a.pe or brainwash my future son, would he?  

SEFAGO:
Hmm interesting or you just became liberal in college. All those little liberals running along on college campuses being taught by liberal or neo-conservative professors. Lots of my friends who are straight from Nigeria just become extremely liberal after university even if they come in as the most virulent homophobes.

its the forever young logic . . . I am going to live forever young and the world is beautiful

Would never trust homos ever, but I believe they have the right in principle. You cannot take someones rights based on your beliefs. If the principle is solid your subjective opinion is quack.

It wasn't the professors. It was interacting with gay people and realizing that a lot of them are good folk. One of the gay dudes who I went to college with, he wasn't even effeminate. Liked playing basketball, pretty decent at it. Liked the sorts of things most normal, red-blooded American males like. . . with one exception  

I don't get your comment about "would never trust." Why are they less trustworthy than straight people, in your opinion?

Katsumoto:
Besides, more gay guys means more women for the rest of us.  

Indeed. Who can be mad at less competition for beautiful women? I certainly have no incentive to fight against the rights of gay men for this very reason 

Lesbians who are hot, otoh. . . that is a different story.

tensor777:
You should not be as my upbringing was actually quite conservative really. I just believe passionately in the sanctity of marriage and the family circle to be honest.

Mine was the same. I was virulently homophobic even as of 6-7 years ago. But as I met more gay people, I realized that they aren't evil, a threat, etc. Just people with a different way of life.

@EzeUche_: This is something I've never understood. It seems so shortsighted to me. . . not even being materialistic about things that have a good chance of lasting for a long time (real estate, stock, bonds, etc), but Jordans  

tensor, dude. . . I'm a bit surprised. You are one of the last persons that I'd think was a homophobe on this forum.

This article posted by @Abagworo: http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20090316_nigerias_mend_different_militant_movement

Eyeopening. Thanks a lot for posting it.

Orikinla:
The truth is Madam Patience Goodluck Jonathan has problems with reading and speaking and everyone who knows the family has been aware of this fact and was even a common joke on and off campus at the University of Port Harcourt where the husband dated a young student who got pregnant for him. Don't blame Madam Patience Goodluck Jonathan, but her husband who has failed to upgrade his wife whose mother is from clan.

This Nigeria. . . smh

@fstranger1: I've always wondered about this. Girls in naija are way hotter than the naija girls here in the US. Is the weather or diet. . . ? Some sort of selection bias? Not sure.

SEFAGO:
See  if an MBB firm can match that.

From what I've seen, MBB is not something you do forever. You ideally exit after 4 years to be VP at some major company, or go work for private equity, bank, a hedge fund, etc.

The exit opportunities are pretty stellar, and I think unmatched by most other gigs one can likely do.

Someone I know exited after just 2 years to go work in naija for a bank. I'm sure they got paid. . . and knowing naija it wouldn't even be hard work.

Lol.

I sort of want to do my youth service lecturing at a university for one year. The problem is that it will be taking away an entire year of prime earnings  

I'm not sure how much you'll be able to improve the system by yourself, btw. And there isn't anything wrong with a lecturer not having a PhD, to be quite honest. I TAed some classes in undergrad, and in at least one of them I was way better a teacher than the professor.

PhD is not a pre-req for being a good instructor. Researcher, probably so.

SEFAGO:
Haha code monkey.  Man dust your JAVA and C++ books and get ready for some fun. They probably were just trying to sell it to you. Yeah true, true try and get your foot in. But I would advise you to try consulting though. Less stressful and you get to the same place. not everything in life is about money.

Lol, funny you mention consulting. This is actually their interview cycle for summer internships. Anyway, it isn't a bad thing to do, the salary is solid ($180kish for fresh MBAs or PhD grads), but the travel is just insane. I don't mind doing that for a short period of time, but not forever. And of course, the money isn't as good as banking and finance. My current tentative plan is to hopefully snag a consulting internship this summer just to learn about the field a bit, then hopefully move into banking when I finish school.

As for me I plan to do a post-doc then go and teach at Unilag. So no fame and glory and money for me, but contributing to the development of my countrymen.

Sounds like a waste of your talent and earnings potential, imo  But your patriotism is admirable.

SEFAGO:
So they say. But goodluck trying to crack sales and trading with a PhD. The guys in IB dont like too much school ooh. They would likely put the PhD in the equity research department at best or quantitative finance. They prefer undergrads or people with work experience for S&T

I basically thought the same way you did until I went to a couple info sessions this week. For the small boutique firm, the trader I was talking to has a PhD in Chemistry. Chinese guy, did some nanoscience stuff. Absolutely no business background, just extremely smart and good at math.

The other info session was at a major bulge bracket firm. And as you say, they were mostly interested in hiring PhDs as quants, not traders. Still, it doesn't look like you'd necessarily be programming all day at this firm. And they have a good 3 month training program, too.

I'm beginning to think that the best thing to do is to get your foot in the door. Just make sure it isn't something where you are a code monkey.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7632116#msg7632116 date=1296370230]Right. But who knows, with brains and achievements like that he might be able to invent some new, profitable esoteric trading method and impress folks enough to spin off a brand new hedge fund for himself. [/quote]This I think is the holy grail   Starting the next SAC Capital, Blackstone. . . man, that would be sweet.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=593966.msg7632071#msg7632071 date=1296369272]Don't feel sorry for him, dude will probably join a hedge fund and buy a whole physics department before he's 30 [/quote]Hrm, but you can get some of these wall street jobs straight out of college, if that is what you want to do. No point getting the PhD when you can just enter the field directly (at least, in theory.)