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Great CD.

I'm listening to it now on Youtube, going to buy the cd in a bit.

@PhysicsMHD: Interesting reference you posted.

I disagree with your conclusion though; eternal vigilance is still necessary in Nigeria, especially w.r.t. Lagos.

Also Lagos is part of it, but not all of it. To be quite honest. . . I suspect even in a post-Nigeria setting, we will still be enemies. Too much enmity and bad blood exists. In that post-Nigeria setting, even me, as mild-mannered as I might appear to be. . . well, let me leave it at that.

simpleseyi:
My guy,
Have you noticed that all the people that support this your so-called girl are all females. That is how females do, they support themselves even when they are obviously wrong.
Why should you be the person to marry an over-used, tenth-hand girl. I am not an apostle of virginity but for Christ sake, must you marry a love-peddler? This is a life-time contract ooo, so think very very well. As for me, I cannot marry a retired or serving prostitue. PERIOD.

Rofl. Not even 2nd hand, 10th hand! Na wa o.

lol

PhysicsMHD:
Nothing wrong with being from the "bush." I don't advocate blind cosmopolitanism just for the sake of cosmopolitanism. Different groups have unique cultures that they should try to preserve and not see muddled into one big boring generic "Nigerian" mix. That said, ethnic chauvinism to the point where you start comparing which group would slaughter which group or crush and maim the other group in the event of a dispute is not really natural or normal, in my opinion.

Eh, given our collective lack of faith in this project called Nigeria, such calculations and considerations seem quite appropriate. Anybody in fact who is not prepared for this possibility is only fooling themselves.

With that said, is this a high probability event? Imo, no. But still necessary to prepare for it. Including making sure that for certain territories, ownership is quite clear.

Beaf, I don't hate GEJ, and if I could I'd probably cast my vote for him over the alternatives.

But supporting GEJ doesn't mean that everything he and his family does is absolutely perfect. Seems a bit odd to me that you support him without question.

^-- So if we are ashamed that a grown-@ss woman, the wife of the president can barely speak English, we are:

A) Racist against Ijaw
B) Uncle Toms
C) Possibly anti-woman, as well?

Jesu Kristi, please save me from this Nigeria. A country where me asking for my leaders to be able to speak English better than I can speak Spanish is a sin 

Tinubu 

Though to be fair, iirc Compass is some sort of PDP affiliated (owned?) newspaper.

fstranger1:
That is just not true.

My uncle's friend lived in a project when he first got here and now he works as a lawyer in MSG.

I detect a sense of fear-mongering by suggesting that only bad people live in projects. This post would surely be appropiated by those who believe that Blacks living in the projects, i.e. AA, are all wicked and animal-like in behavior. This post has essentially rephrased “they are mostly poor!” into “they are all murderers!"

Dude, stop being so politically correct. It is bullsh1t. You know you wouldn't invite them to your house. So why pretend? What do we gain from pretending?

At the end of the day, I'm a pretty backwards, provincial man from the bush. And damn proud of it.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594719.msg7625197#msg7625197 date=1296271953]Sorry but I don't really trust ghetto people in the U.S. I have been around them long enough to know the good ones, and the ones who are up to no good. Many Nigerians or foreigners in general do not know what they are capable of. Just go to Washington, DC, Philly, Baltimore etc.[/quote]Anyone good moves out of the ghetto as soon as they can. Simple as that. Anybody who is still in the ghetto isn't worth interacting with.

I think when we first moved to the US, we lived in some ghetto in New York. I was 4 at the time. I don't remember much from those days, but they were not pleasant. Within a few months we moved out of there.

The Nigerian equivalent is letting a band of area boys or almajiris into your compound late at night.

asha 80:
please guys what do you guys mean by projects?is it like council flats or hand outs?

Places that look like this: http://blog.lib.umn.edu/zerot001/architecture/ghetto.jpg

http://abagond.files./2010/07/bronx-ghetto.jpg

People who live in places like that, you do not invite to your house. Especially late at night.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594719.msg7625169#msg7625169 date=1296270965]The man's mannerisms is a clear giveaway.

And the way he talks. People in the projects have a different aura about them that is different from middle class blacks. [[/quote]Err, mannerism-wise, many black athletes are no different from dudes from the projects. So mannerisms won't be the difference, just money.

Stephen Jackson is as hood as anyone, but I'd have no problem selling him my car or worrying about him attacking me. Simply because dude has too much to lose if he does that.

fstranger1:
I really do not see how living in a project made this guy commit such heinous crime.

My former EMT partner lived in the project and he was a gentle man in the true sense of the world.

We really have to be careful here.

Eh, sorry. But certain generalizations, while hasty and imprecise, are necessary for safety. No way he'd have dealt with this dude at all if he knows he still lives in a project. For one, most dudes in the project (aside from dealers) don't have the money for a car like his.

None of you here would invite someone from the projects to your house at all, let alone late and night and something involving valuable possessions or money.

Cannot be bothered to read through this entire thread.

But humans vary widely in height, weight, skin tone, flexibility, vertical leap, hand size, foot size, limb length.

And also intelligence.

Variation in these things is natural, and doesn't make anyone good or bad, or less entitled to the rights we all share as human beings.

And being smarter than someone else doesn't give you the right to treat them as a lesser being, imo.

How on earth was he supposed to know the guy lives in the projects?

Probably thought he was an athlete or something, something respectable.

6'8, 230 pound dude. . . I imagine this Nigerian guy is proly 5'9, 150 or something. Even if he had been aware, only way he'd have had a chance is with a gun.

Not sure if there are any lessons to be learned from this. . . aside from not doing business with strange people late at night

Damn.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/01/27/2011-01-27_akeem_ajimotokan_33_had_neck_broken_ear_hacked_off_after_46k_online_bmw_deal_goe.html

Ears sliced off too.

f*cked up sh1t.

I hope he survives. I'll keep him in my prayers.

fstranger: Are you on IM? Wanted to ask you something about NJ.

Abagworo:
This is where Chibuike Amaechi stands out as a visionary leader.Every Nigerian needs to visit Rivers State and observe the public school revolution going on here.

Can you describe for those of us not on the ground?

@Bluetooth: Not a fan. If Nigeria breaks apart, then it makes sense to seek alliances, perhaps political union with our neighbors. But not really with our enemy.

Southern Nigeria makes as little sense as Nigeria does.

I would go so far as to say that even the Hausa are not truly our enemies. A distraction and annoyance, yes. But one that can be dealt with when the time comes.

Hopefully people like @jason123 who are a bit too optimistic about things see what the reality on the ground is, who our enemies are.

Nigeria is not the sort of place where you can sit on the fence, or try to be friends with everyone.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7624110#msg7624110 date=1296253604]These Yorubas have some nerve!  

We have more high profile Igbos in high positions in the World Bank and other financial institutions that they can even dream of.

They are simply delusional.[/quote]When it comes time to raise cash, I'd much rather have dudes at Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley, BoA etc than the World Bank. With that said, I'm not sure how Yoruba and Igbo compare in this, respectively.

Onlytruth:
Who told you that Igboland cannot get international credit?

You seem to have misread, or perhaps not noticed the "if." Perhaps worth reading the posts that preceded it.

Assuming equal access to international credit, then other factors come into play. But the point is, if one side did something that would stand a good chance of removing their access to this (e.g., wiping out a village), then the other side has a huge advantage.

You forget that two Igbos are in the world bank and Igbos are scattered throughout the world more than Yorubas.
Few Igbo can even sponsor the entire war.

Regarding your first comment, certainly, having connections are useful. But would this translate into loans for a nation? Not sure. What would be used to guarantee the loan?
Regarding the second, yes. . . if you can convince lots of people to take out loans and send the cash, very useful.
Regarding the third, on the order of several billion dollars would be needed, I think, probably quite a bit more. Do you think you can find a "few" guys who together (A) have this cash (B) are willing to provide it to sponsor this war?

Our problem is not even money, but the conviction.
If Nigeria ever push us to that level where we become convinced that there is no other way out than war, you will see a round two. Completely different from the one you cannot see past.

If you say so. Like I said, the same logistic issues that were there in the first one are still there today. If not worse.

Onlytruth:
Posted by: eku_bear
Eziachi Yes! abagworo [/b]NO!

You guys think you are clever. You do the same thing all the time. You lionize weak and clueless Igbos with the hope that they end up leading us. [b]Eziachi is a Biafra war vet so yes he can!, but abagworo is the Orji Kalu type that believe in serving other Nigerians to gain acceptance.  So, he would likely sell us out to gain local power.

If I wanted to lionize a "weak or clueless" Igbo man, I'd have chosen . . . someone else that posted in this thread (shouldn't be hard to guess who I'm referring to.)

Abagworo is probably amongst the best you have. If you guys want to drive him out, so be it!  I'd welcome that dude with open arms to join my team.

dayokanu:
Classic brawns vs Brains.

And the Person who wiped the village out ends up like Charles taylor or Slobodan Milosevic

If Nigeria partitions and there is warfare between Yorubaland and Igboland, the main thing I care about is getting access to international credit. If I have international credit and Igboland does not, then I win (assuming halfway competent military commanders).

Really as simple as that.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7623934#msg7623934 date=1296251368]eku_bear,

You better hope that Igbo leaders are not like me. Because I have no qualms with wiping out an entire village or town. I have no mercy for those who mock my people.

Maybe I should write a book called MY STRUGGLE.

We Igbos are still waiting for a charismatic leader to lead us out of that wilderness. Igboland is ripe for that leader.[/quote]See, if it were me, I would never wipe out a village. You do that, someone videotapes you committing genocide, it ends up on CNN, then the international community turns against you, freezes you out of cash and credit so that your side cannot buy any more beans/rice/boots/guns/tanks/ships. End result, you lose the war because you wiped out some tiny, meaningless village.

jason123:
This guy . . . .  . good post but you forgot to add Mems dept,ChinenyeN and Asha 80. These three are also smart but with "onlytruth"  . . . .  . lol (No offence)

Intelligence is a part of it, yes, but it is also necessary to separate what is realistic from what is not.

I'm sure those folks are great too, but the two I mentioned, if they were representative of Igbo leadership, I'd be extra, extra cautious in battling them. You won't be able to bait them into doing something foolish, or acting hastily. At least, this is my impression; I could easily be wrong.

@OnlyTruth: With all due respect, if it just people who think the same way you do leading, then I would not be very concerned. If your leadership were Abagworo and Eziachi-types, guys who are extremely perceptive, who probably focus on logistics, practicality. . . then it would be more even.

Anyway, the same logistic weaknesses that were there in the first war are still there. If anything, your position is weaker, since you've lost control of various territories that would be useful for prosecuting a war.

Regarding testing. . . well, questionable how much benefit a war 40+ years ago has for military preparedness today. In any case, the US hasn't really been tested in war either. . . not since the 1700s. I think the more important thing is logistic advantages (ports, roads, supply lines, finance/banking) and sound leadership. Basically the bread and butter things one needs to prosecute a war.

I'm pretty comfortable with both of these latter aspects for the Yoruba, and thus am not too concerned about our prospects in any future wars, if we were to have our own country.

EDIT: Hrm. My claim of 1700s is probably a bad estimate. US Civil War was pretty brutal. I'd say though that WW1, WW2 and most of the conflicts the US has had in the 20th and 21st century, the US really wasn't "tested." Least, not in the same way France, England, Germany, etc were in those wars.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7623726#msg7623726 date=1296248934]All I have to say is bring it on. One on one fight. We know the Igbos would kick the Yoruba arse. If we can handle all of Nigeria, when handle one ethnicity.

You talk as your group solely defeated the Igbo. Remember it was a "collective" effort to bring the Igbo back into the fold. And they still needed foreign help from the British to defeat Biafrans. I am proud of Biafra history and will be happy to fight just like my father did before me.

I cannot wait till the day the East rises again. Mark my words.[/quote]Fair enough. But as I said, do not complain if the outcome doesn't go your way. It is reasonable to guess that the penalty for defeat this time will be much, much harsher.

BTW, in any such conflict. . . it won't be generically "Yoruba race" versus "Igbo race." It will be people of my caliber (or better  ) versus the best you have to offer.

So hopefully you can find enough people who measure up to that standard. . . otherwise things will go very poorly for you, again.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=594164.msg7623660#msg7623660 date=1296248229]@Eku_bear ok I will try to post a pic the British took before he died, I don't wanna add it now, his spirit likes war too much, he might turn y'alls little e-conflict into another thing. Hey. . Look him up sometime [/quote]Heh, I'll do so, hopefully over the weekend.

[quote author=EzeUche_ link=topic=594164.msg7623662#msg7623662 date=1296248254]All talk when we sent 500,000 Nigerian men to an early grave. What did Nigeria do? Oh I forgot, target defenseless women and children. Real men know how to fight wars. Let us be clear.[/quote]Well, let me not quibble over #s, since I don't have my references handy.

Question for you is, who won and who lost? Who had their land gobbled up and who expanded? Who lost property, wealth and assets, who gained? Who fled to the Ivory Coast, who did not?

In any case, it is probably more useful to look at the performance of individual commanders in that war. Some (like Adekunle) were very effective, others (Murtala Mohamed) were less so.

Just going forward though. . . if an undesirable outcome occurs against you, please do not whine! Nothing I hate more on earth than a person who makes threats then complains after getting their ass kicked.