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lekkie073:
according to ur gospel, everyone in England is sees Rooney as the 'messiah'

lekkie073:
Here come the ‘Rooney into midfield’ brigade
Oh here they are – it’s the ‘Rooney into midfield’
brigade coming back for more.
United lost 8 out of 8 (or something like that) when
he was in midfield last season. It was his dismal
midfield performances that had everyone crying from
the rooftops that he should be a striker again. That
was actually something I agreed with because the one
thing you can’t doubt him on is the fact that in an
isolated moment he is good at hitting the ball in the
back of the net. But his lack of movement, pace,
inability to turn a defender or dribble has had people
saying he should be a number 10 again.
Can we just accept he isn’t very good? It doesn’t
matter what position he is in – he is not the brilliant
player of 2004 and nor is he the effective (but still
horrible over 90 mins) striker he was in 2010.
Just because he vacates his position to disrupt the
balance of the team by dropping to the half-way line
to ping (admittedly impressive) 50 yard passes does
not mean he is good in central midfield. That position
requires a hell of a lot more intelligence and ability
than just pinging a pass – as is clearly evident
whenever he plays there.
Rooney should be in the squad because he can come
on fresh with 20 minutes to go and score a free kick
or maybe the ball drops to him in the box where he is
usually clinical, but he shouldn’t start the game over
actual real strikers, midfielders or wingers who have
been playing well and are fit.
Silvio (Even Gam and Guy can’t argue with this,
surely?)
Dante ESPN

SIRcumalot:
naija match na 9.00PM.

Kagawa10:
LOL!
It is as if you don't check your scrren shot before pasting it here! Young was better than Nani vs Arsenal, Sunderland, Westbrom, Welbeck was better than Nani against Spurs. Ando was still better than him against Bolton.
The only match Nani was better than the three were against Chelsea and Stoke. This still backup my claim that the 3 players were consistently better
than Nani.
And the moment Anderson, our consistently best player in majority of the games got injured, Nani form diminish which still brings us back to my claim that Nani's form was relative to the visionary passes from either Scholes/an inform Ando.

Kagawa10:
The team hitting a second gear in the community shield was as a result of the introduction of Cleverley.
The team were by no means poor in the first half of the community shield play off (we had more possession than City and one of city's 2 goal came through a lucky free-kick), we just needed to hit into the second gear and the vibrant movement of the young Cleverley in the holding role alongside Anderson provided that.
No wonder the moment he got injured against Bolton, the team totally collapsed and when he returned back, his partner, Anderson had his own injury, and Cleverley was shouldered with the responsibility to pull the strings and acts as the creative force in the midfield which isn't his forte compared to Scholes/Anderson.
Anderson was also in his best form of his life at that time and we all know an inform Anderson has the best visionary passes out there except that he always undo his good work by suddenly getting injury and then returning back as a fat pig while taking a long time to rediscover his earlier form.
That being said, Nani wasn't even as good as Young in those games mentioned, Young was far better than him. Infact, after Anderson, Young was our best player with Welbeck running close.

Kagawa10:
LOL.
Apart from the one chance he had, he got no sniff. Infact, Westham created little chances other than punting long ball into our box, even Payet didn't have his regular game save for his free-kick.
And I never admitted the underlined part of your post.
Martial with a quality midfield like Scholes and a prime Carrick constantly freeing him up with passes that takes him away from crowded areas would be a nightmare for any defence to deal with.
The point is Nani had the opportunity of playing with quality midfield, Martial never did. The truth is Nani was an inconsistent player under Fergie and he's not pulling up trees at Fernaberche either.
I admit that Blind had a stinker in Watford and Westbrom but apart from the 2 games, he's been solid together with Smalling.

Kagawa10:
Because a talented young player at his age doesn't find it difficult to go past defenders, only their decision making are a let down at that age, not their obvious skills. This reminds me on how Depay failed to dribble past the Arsenal defence yet Januzaj managed to do that in a matter of seconds he was on the pitch.
You also failed to realise that Depay's game isn't based on Dribbling while at Psv, his game was based on his off the ball movement and drifting in to score goals like Ronaldo does at Madrid.
That being said, Nani was mostly inconsistent save for 2010/2011 season where he was our best player but after that, he went back to inconsistent self. Even Fergie in his latter years, often preferred the less talented industrious Valencia to the talented Nani, same for Moyes. You can't blame Van Gaal for eventually getting rid of him

Kagawa10:
It's tedious arguing with you.
What's the essence of a GK in the team? Saying De Gea hasn't been constantly worked up doesn't mean he wouldn't make one or 2 saves in a match because all keeper do that but the truth is our Opponents hasn't had many chances against us except for the odd games here and there (I can only think of the Watford team where Blind had a stinker) as opposed to last season when De Gea constantly pull off many saves in a game.

Kagawa10:
How many opponents if I asked you?
You mean the Arsenal team, consisting of the lazy Ozil, Ramsey who all failed to press our midfield, resulting into large space afforded to our midfielders? Are you forgetting that Watford and Swansea had no difficulty whipping the same lazy Arsenal team after our team defeated them??
Abeg leave matter for mathais, Herrera is bang average.
I already drew my conclusion the moment he managed to look like an eediot against a high pressing Mtyjilland's midfield in the second leg despite the whole team having the best game of their lives.

Kagawa10:
Let's not act as if Nani was consistent here. He managed to have 2 good season and since then, he's been competing with Quaresma on who's football brain is better.
The fact is Martial has done far better than what Nani managed to do here when he was Martial's age. And Martial is only going to improve.
As per Depay, except the team is playing against some 3rd rate defenders in the europa, a tree is likely to dribble past his opponent than Depay.
Even while at Psv, he was mostly known for his goals. He played as an inside forward while depending on the creativity in his team. That's why he was likened to Ronaldo rather than Messi, which is even ridiculous because Ronaldo at 21 could dribble pass his opponents at will, it was only at Madrid, he reinvented his game as a goalscoring forward

Kagawa10:
We once had him though.
There's no issue expecting the forwards to track back. Even Messi tracks back for Barca.
And Fellaini as a midfielder is expected to defend, same with Lingard who's been deployed in the midfield for 2 games running now. That's not issues at all.
We could say that DDG constantly saved our as$ last season but this season, he's not been constantly worked up compared to last season.

Kagawa10:
That's funny.
Because Herrera, the turn over machine was the reason we got overrun in the midfield against Westbrom and Watford. He was totally awful and looked like a sunday league player who couldn't pass the ball accurately nor control the ball.
At no time did we ever get overrun with Carrick and Fellaini in the midfield, it's just that Fellaini's quickness of thought is just too slow and he has little creativity in his arsenal to make us tick well in the attacks. Apart from this, he's been quite better than the pathetic Herrera who only turns up against teams that affords him plenty of space in the midfield.

Kagawa10:
Only when a quality players become available. I don't support signing average players for the sake of just signing when you can get quality player in the summer.
That being said, the team's problem is the attack and the non-creative midfield. Our team is the 2nd best team after Spurs to have the least goal conceded.
I repeat The defence aint our problem.

Kagawa10:
The team also missed many chances against them, that doesn't mean shit.
I still can't believe I'm arguing with you on the motion that Jones and Smalling makes our attack ticks well. That's quite silly.
As per the Southampton game, oi already mentioned that Carrick was deployed alongside a slow midfielder, what do you expect of him? This same thing always happened whenever the midfield of Carrick and Schweisteiger gets deployed, thus, making both players look like abomination of a player despite their quality. Same thing happened with Alonso and Bastian midfield at Bayern. So, what are you talking about?

Kagawa10:
We were rebuffed immediately long before the club mentioned about signing a striker and they were already having negotiation with Monaco.

Kagawa10:
I already mentioned that hardly would you see quality player on the market in january window. You don't expect the club to be signing average players for signing sake.
Moreover, our midfield and attack are the problem, not the defence, the likes of Smalling and Blind had been consistent enough apart from the odd games here and there.

SIRcumalot:
I said this stuff outside nairaland and some fans wan beat me
some fans go just dey lie to themselves.

lukaku is the only realistic target I can see us getting and even then it will cost us too much.
money isn't that important when everybody has it.not getting UCL football next season Don wound us.

Kagawa10:
LOL.
Yet the clubs were in constant discussion with Monaco!
At no time the likes of Bale and Muller were available on the market. Only Martial was on the market especially if his team fails to qualify for the CL play off.

Kagawa10:
Big clubs rarely get involved in the january windows because quality players are hardly allowed to leave their clubs mid-season.

Kagawa10:
I disagree with this.
Martial wasn't a panic buy. He had been scouted severally by the scouts. Even during the transfer, the fans were briefed that the club would get a costly striker but only when he's available and at that time Monaco wanted to keep Martial only if they failed to qualify for their CL play off and once they failed to do that, Martial was allowed to leave for Manutd.
I disagree that Martial is too young to lead the team. Infact, he's good enough to bench Rooney. The fact that he's been the team's best player tells a lot. And with a technical creative midfield constantly supporting him, the sky is only his limit.
As per the midfielder, he got one only that he failed to realise he's no holding midfielder. I admit that's his fault.
But to say he's the reason for the poor display from the average players in the team is acting precious.

Kagawa10:
He did fine at the world cup though.
That's when you consider the average dutch team at his disposal but one thing the dutch players can do well is pass the ball well which is the opposite of our players. The dutch team never remained the same as soon as he left them though. That tells something.
As per the transfers, he did sign Schneiderlin but failed to realise he had signed a box-box midfielder, not a holding midfielder. Big mistake on his part.

Kagawa10:
Mourinho would even do worse with these set of players at his disposal.
And I would have to applaud LVG for his courage to use the youth players which wouldn't happen under any coach, especially when the team is having difficulty in getting a win. Can you imagine Mourinho doing that? A case study is his last stint at Chelsea where he persisted with the senior players inspite of their horrible display. Even Fergie chickened out in his latter stage and had to deploy makeshift players ( Rafael) in midfield instead of Pogba.

Kagawa10:
Carrick was deployed alongside Blind, another slow midfielder, imagine 2 slow midfielders against a vibrant Southampton midfield, hence the result.
But are you not being precious here? You implied that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling made the team perform well last season yet the Southampton game you made mention of had the aforementioned players included in the team.
Does that not put your phantom theory to rest compared to the large samples of games that the team lost without carrick included in the lineups?
And if you had checked well, you would see that majority of the games won by the team last season had no inclusion of both Smalling and Jones in the team. Only one of them happened to be included, not always both.
Come to think of it, how could someone have the thought that the inclusion of Jones and Smalling makes the team looks good in attack? LOL.
The Cambridge game wasn't a poor game by the way. The midfield had a good control throughout the game which prevented the Cambridge team from having any sniff nor be allowed to create anything through the middle while the chances created by our team were all wasted by the likes of Di maria, Falcao and Januzaj. As a matter of fact, Cambridge played a defensive game.