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afrodoc2:
1) Ikedia broke into Insurance team before 1999....most likely 1997.

2) True young player ko.....Ikedia subtracted nothing less than 4-5 years from his actual age. Do you know how many years he played "mercenary" for his old secondary school and also played "jeun jeun" football before joining Insurance?

3) Ajax gave him several opportunities and loaned him out several times but his poor decision making never deserted him. How can you make the right decision when you are looking at the ground and not your team mates?

1. Ikedia joined Insurance in 1998. I doubt if he broke into regular first team then.

2. If Ikedia subracted 5 years from his age. How many years did Amuneke, Finidi and Tijani subracted? How old were they before they joined Ajax and Barca respectively?

3. Ajax loaned him only when he returned from injury. Just like Eduardo of Arsenal lost his game after 9 months out, and now may be Falcao.

His looking at the ground/ball didnt make him not a great dribbler.

afrodoc2:
Ikedia was not intelligent right from the beginning to the end.
From before his Insurance days to the day he retired he was always dribbling while looking at the ground!

You are now forming to know Ikedia's game after I have described it. See this man who first said Ikedia was all about pace and waywardness. Now you have changed to dribbling and looking at the ground.

afrodoc2:
How can you pass at the right moment to team mates while looking at the grass on the floor when you don't have water-filled calabash with you on the pitch

If you give Ikedia the speed of Usain Bolt he would only play his brand of M.O.R.O.N.I.C football at supersonic speed

I put it to you that you didnt know this guy.

I wish I could produce his clips from 1998 to his early days in Super Eagles. He looked at the groud, yes. But he dribbled his way to crating chances. He also dribbled everyone on his way to score important goals
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Ibime:
100% Correct.

100% wrong.

You guys didnt know him. You knew him when his career had suffered from injuries. Imagine, the guy was away from regular football for almost a year. He was truly young and was commanding first place shirt for Ajax. Unlike TJ and Finidi who got there already over ripe players.

Tijani had already played 6 years in Europe before Ajax signed him. 6 years of fine tuning his game. He also had played local league.

Finidi George had played for three Nigeria div1 clubs and played many games for Super Eagles before going abroad. He was already one of the best players in Africa before joining Ajax.

But Ikedia represented some of the first true young players breaking into Nigeria local league in 1999 (Bendel Insurance). The same year a lot took place and he was already playing for Ajax. He took his raw street football straight into one of the biggest clubs in the world. Bad luck followed this rising star and everything crumbled.

Look at the gradual road Iheanachi is travelling. Even Messi needed some academy training to perfect his acts. Ronaldo needed some years to mature his game.

A40:
Ikedia was a frustrating player.

How can someone who delighted fans all over the world in 1998/1999 (Nigeria 99 and friendly matches) with his scintillating football be a frustrating player? Just say you didnt know him when he first came on board. He was very young when he went into the Super Eagles and he was unlocking defence with ease.

A40:
. A decent dribbler but did rely heavily on his speed with absolutely zero football IQ.

Ikedia did not rely heavily on his speed. Wingers are meant to have decent speed, but Ikedia was not a speed 'marshal'.

Finidi for instance had speed to outpaced his markers but it was his crosses and finals balls that stood him out.

Amuneke was pacde and power.

Tijani was speed and quickness.

Ikedia was purely dribbling. He could even reverse with the ball and then turn to beat his marker again. He had great sense when he came on board but his football suffered due to problems and obstacles.

A40:
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Tijani was by far the better footballer

Tijani was luckier.

Any one who didnt know Eduardo of Arsenal before his ill fated injury would say he was never any good.

afrodoc2:
Elamps is the most stubborn poster here, even the link he showed us stated that Ikedia had pace but he was still arguing

Dribbling before pace. His pace was nothing compared to Messi's. If Ikedia had the pace of Messi or Tijani or Amuneke, he have ruled the world.

Did you see the second link I posted? Nothing said about pace but how he did outwit defenders with skilss and dribblings. 'OUTWIT'

afrodoc2:
Nobody said Ikedia could not dribble but lack of pace was definitely not Ikedia's problem cos he had lots of it....his problem was lack of brain. I watched Ikedia play dozens of times both on TV and in person, he was a great dribbler blessed with pace but ZERO intelligence......that is the major difference between Messi and him not pace.

I guess you watched him in his fading year or when he had suffered regress due to injuries. In his hey days, he had great intelligence and winning macthes for us. Someone who never knew Falcao would think he is the most brainless striker ever. Or even Eduardo of Arsenal who lost form on his return from injury.

Ikedia was a magician and a very intelligent young player when he came on board.

[quote author=afrodoc2 post=32135202]P.S Ikedia and TJ Babangida were different. Ikedia could actually dribble quite well but Tijani was a straight line sprinter with the ball[/quote

Have not not said this before? Tijani was like Ahmed Musa. Ikedia was a very much different player. Ikedia was a young man who needed to perfect his acts, but injury killed his football. He was not lucky.

I didnt see this reply last night.

coogar:
i doubt this......

Your opinion, but I have told you the truth. I watched Mexico 86 live. I was being woken up from sleep.

coogar:
ikedia had no close control.
only few nigerian players had it. elahor, amuneke & ikpeba(in his teenage years) all had mad close control. odegbami was another specialist in keeping the ball in tight corners and dribbling with it.

As if you knew Elahor. Ikedia had better close control than Elahor, Amuneke and Ikpeba. Amuneke had speed- pace and power. I did not watch Odegbami.

Ikedia was master of holding the ball and dribbling his way up beating one man after another. When he reverses and you think he wants to make a pass backwards or squarely, he swiftly make the turning a 360 degree. That turning alone had taken the next marker off his balance and now Ikedia is ready to disgrace his markers one after the other. He hardly lost the ball. He takes it down the touch line to corner flag area and then veered off towards the 18 box taking away his markers. Ikedia was one who liked to give a final pass for a tap in. But because he always buried his head, he delayed his crosses and final pass.

coogar:
okocha is largely hit & miss and many of his dribbling was in the centre of the pitch where there's space. the reason wingers are respected is because of their brilliance in keeping the ball close to the touchline(limited space)

I agree completely on Okocha.



Ikedia is one winger one may never see his kind. Too bad he didnt have a good mentor and personal coach. I am surprised guys didnt know his game.

Na sleep I see so.

coogar:
more like messi gets fouled a lot & referee decides to let it be. he's the master of close control but i wouldn't argue if anyone gives it to iniesta - messi can kill a marker from a standing position or with pace. bale cannot do anything if he's not running with the ball.

with pace.....

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without pace....

[img]http://pocongerz.yn.lt/Messi.1.gif[/img]

At the bolded. Ikedia did that with ease too. He moves his body left and right without touching the ball, the defender cancels himself. Ikedia stands with the ball on the touch line (throwing line), a defender is in front of him in the touch line. Ikedia moves his body and the defender moves infield and Ikedia is going past him on the same touch line. It was like magic. How he did it was a mystery.

See you Nani marking of Messi. Nani is a poor marker. This was why SAF said after 2011 UCL final that when United face Barca again, he would put Jones in the defensive midfield or even defence to charge Messi directly.

Ibime:
His pace is more than Messis pace sef. If you check any football manager or PES game from back then, he can be no less than 95 for pace.

Not true.

Tijani was faster and was never known to be among the fastest. But Messi is in top 5 or so.

It's painful there are no clips of Ikedia dribbles out there.

Ikedia would stand with you. He dances left and right and the defender is confused then slides to stop Ikedia, Ikedia hops with the ball past him and then the next defender. Ikedia moves the ball to the left, the defender waves, Ikedia swerve his body to right, then left, the defender is completely deceived to the left. Off, Ikedia is gone with the ball to the right and it's bye bye to the defenders. At short notice and in a few second he has gone past two in a small space area. No pace or gidigidi whatsoever in dribbling past his markers. No too much drama. He was born to dribble with the slightest of ease and natural skills. It's unfortunate injury and luck were against him.

He was nothing like Tijani Babangida. Them no near. Only IK Uche showed some signs of Ikedia's kind of dribblings.


Many here are kids. Ibeme and Odun Harry.


Good night people.

elampiro:
Ikedia's performance on the right wing, outwitting defenders with his repertoire of dribbling skills, earned him a move to the Amsterdam Arena..

See above. No be me write am. 'OUTWITTING DEFENDERS WITH REPERTOIRE OF DRIBBLING SKILLS'

Dademohla, just tell me you didnt watch this guy play. He was one always having the ball in his feet as he dribbled slowing along, minusing defenders. I am shocked he is been compared to Tijani. Unbelievable! Two players will stand with Ikedia, see me see you he will dribble past them with flair and tricks even though they knew that was what he was going to do. I rest my case.

Dadehmola:
Mehnn... Na today I confirm say Elampiro no sabi anything about soccer.
I rest my case!!

coogar:
elampiro no sabi football.....
he's comparing kick & follow footballers to master dribblers like messi. i have never seen messi tip the ball further than 30cm from his foot when moving with the ball unlike 99% of the professional players out there.

messi is always in control - the only way to get the ball from him is to foul him, you cannot intercept when messi is in control. he often shows the ball to his marker a little bit to make him think the ball can get be gotten but na lie -

Messi gets dispossess a lot.

I know what you are saying, but he doesn't always dribble like that. He mostly run with the ball that way. Sometimes he runs with it across the 18 box and firing in from afar. Aguero has something close to that.

Ibime:
The guy na big mouth wey no know when to keep quiet.




You better stop digging hole for yourself ITK. Even your own links dey tell you he was a pacy player.

Unlike you who spouts ignorance of what I've never seen, I not only followed Dutch football weekly but I was at Loftus Road in 2002 for Nigeria vs Paraguay match where Ikedia came on as a substitute.

Ikedia has no pace? Mukina should ban you from Sports section for a week.

They mentioned dribbling before pace. Again, his pace was nothing near Messi's pace.

Odunharry:
baba elampiro... easy na, no kill people with lie

you be my guy na..... me no argue una Bale matter

Which one be lie?

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Ikedia seeks World Cup place

Wednesday, 10 April, 2002, 13:14 GMT 14:14 UK

Ikedia seeks a place in Nigeria's World Cup team

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Since his appearance as a substitute in the last World Cup qualifier against Ghana last July, Pius Ikedia has been afflicted by the injury bug.

It cost him a regular first team place at Ajax Amsterdam and the chance to display his skills for Nigeria at the African Nations Cup.

"I am very happy to be back in the national team after a long absence", said Ikedia, who came on as a late substitute in the March match against Paraguay.

"I might have had just five or six minutes but it was nice to play a role.

"I have a lot to contribute to the national team. I am still young and I have a long way to go".

Impressive past

Along with Julius Aghahowa, Ikedia played for Nigeria's Under-20 team at the 1999 World Youth Championships.

Ikedia's performance on the right wing, outwitting defenders with his repertoire of dribbling skills, earned him a move to the Amsterdam Arena.

"Ajax is a big club and I have had a good time so far," he told BBC Sport Online.

"But there have been some bad moments, when due to my injury, I missed a lot of games."

Ikedia is confident the bad times are over, and is ready to fight for a place in the Super Eagles World Cup squad.

"I have to work hard, keep fit and do well for my club as well as the national team," he said.

"If I can do that, I have a good chance of being in the World Cup team."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport3/worldcup2002/hi/team_pages/nigeria/newsid_1907000/1907605.stm

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It was even injuries that affected him sef.

Odunharry:
I dey tell you.....

Forget that guy. I am sure he did not even watch Nigeria 99 matches, and the friendly matches before the tournament.

I won't even mention Mexico 86, Canada 87, Maroc 88, Saudi 89, ALgiers 90, Japan 93, etc. I watched all these tournaments and much more. Even the qualifiers. WAFU cup etc. He wont know such players like 10-10 Bright Omokaro, Humphrey Edobor, Yisa Sofoluwe, Henry Nwosu.

coogar:
it seems you started watching footie only few years ago. let chelsea fans tell you what messi did to del horno in 2006 at the bridge.

when it comes to close control, there's no one better than messi & iniesta. they would dribble & still keep the ball while standing on a tin of milk.

Don't let me go into when I started watching football. I saw Maradona did his Mexico '86 magic live. I am sure I saw 60% of Mexico '86 matches because of my uncle and my elder brother who were football enthusiasts and they felt they should carry me along the line as I was showing good skills on the field. I was in primary school though. I saw live the great match between Platini and Rummenige.

Ikedia too had a good close control. Same with Okocha, Etim, and even Kanu. But our people easily fall along the line. They are not self motivated, once they get little money they think they should enjoy life. Also, we don't have the kind of scouts like in South America who see football as a massive business and the raw talent as a great investment that should be guided and groomed generously.

Tijani was a straight runner. Yes.

But Ikedia was someone 'minusing' his markers one after another along the line on a slow run. He was dribbling zigzagling, stop move. stop and move........ That YOUTUBE clip is a good example of Ikedia's kind of game. His problem was that he was not playing with his mates. Oppositions regroup before he could hit the final pass and he was always not looking up. His eyes were too fixed on the ball.

When IK Uche first came on board, he had a bit of that dribbling flair, but he was never used well to be able to beat more than two defenders at once.

Ibime:
I'm sure thís Elampiro dude is a teenager, spouting big opinions on what he never watched.

ITK no go kill pesin p

You are the ITK. You never saw Ikedia play. Ikedia didn't have the pace of Messi. Even Tijani Babangida couldn't have had the pace of Messi.

Messi is one of the fastest footballers ever.

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Shut up! Stop being brainwashed. Show me where I said Messi can't dribble or Ikedia didnt have some pace. I said Messi had pace more than Ikedia, Okocha and Etim. Today, Messi is one of the fastest footballers in the world. Even Tijani Babangida with all his supposed speed was never considered to be among top footballers with speed not to talk of Ikedia with a normal speed. Ikedia's asset was his dribbling.

Odunharry:
Chai elampiro my Padi Don fall my hand?
Messi can't dribble?
and ikedia don't have pace?
there's no player in United that dribble the way Messi does, he is miles ahead...
Pius ikedia and tijani plays same style run like a headless chicken with no football intelligence.
elampiro no let people for other thread come here come laff you

What Ikedia is shown doing here with so much ease in training is what he could do with even better flair in matches when he came on board.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPtDtLu24c

afrodoc2:
The fact that Elampiro stated that Ikedia lacked pace suggests that he never actually saw Ikedia play. Ikedia's 2 greatest "assets" were PACE and STUPIDITY........well documented.

I want to believe you saw Ikedia play only once in your life. I am yet to see a winger who could dribble like Ikedia. Not with speed.

coogar:
elampawa has a slight amnesia.....
look at him saying messi cannot dribble. messi that can kill a marker from a standing position. i remember him destroying scholes in the 2-legged tie in 07/08 near the corner side from a standing position.

[img]http://cdn1.lockerdome.com/uploads/5620316564109586_422fe4d934ada9caeb8d1790554f05cdeddf7df64e5bcb41003d3f28f4c0c2d9_large[/img]

You will get better gif of Okocha and Ikedia if it were possible.

Imagine, Scholes was the one marking him. Not even a defender.

Ibime:
Ikedia didn't have pace? That was his greatest attribute. It was decision making he lacked.

His greatest attribute was his dribbling, not pace. Someone compared him with Tijani Babaginda. How ridiculous! Babaginda was a runner- straight runner. Ikedia was a dribbler- taking his time to cancel his markers one after the other as he moves on. His final balls were a problem.

Ikedia, Etim Esin and Okocha are great dribblers Nigeria have produced. None had the pace of Messi.

Dadehmola:
Elampiro, Stop telling lies on a public forum....

Small time now, you go begin dey give us stories on how you coached him for that field behind Agbor road when in actual fact, your earlier assertions suggest you don't even know who the dude is..

Pius ikedia and Tijani Babangida were arguably the quickest players in Africa at that time. Pius was Nigeria's version of Shaun-wright-Philips...plenty of pace but little tactical awareness and Ofcourse, zero end product!!

Ikedia was never a quick player or a runner. He could dribble and stop, then dribble the next man in a walking pace, but he was a good dribble along the touch line, zigzagly in and along the touch line while taking away markers slowly.

You guys did not watch Ikedia I guess. You were reading about him in the papers. Go and watch how he played the U-20 world cup for us and how he was moving like a 'snail' past his markers.

Ibime:
Elampiro knows little about football. Leave that guy alone. In the last 24hrs he's told us Ikedia had no pace and Messi can't dribble.

Ikedia had no pace. He could take 1 min to dribble his way down the touch line into the opposition 18 box.

Take it or leave it.

Good night.

coogar:
go & find out how much ronaldo's fee was in euros(2008) and how much bale's few was in 2013 in euros. .

That's not the way to look at it. Look at the inflation in the countries involved and the currency strength in those years.

coogar:
elamps doesn't understand the meaning of dribbling. he's mixing up pace with dribbling. bale is a linear player. kick & follow in a straight line. he cannot weave around players. he doesn't even turn from trouble like messi or hazard or even nani. bale = valencia + end product.

Without pace, Messi and Hazard wold just be like Pius Ikedia.

Ikedia is a better dribbler than Messi but he didnt have the pace. Okocha and Etin suffered similar fate. They could dribble but they havent the speed to advance directly like Messi. I had one guy in my team called Wale . He could dribble a team of 30 players but he had the speed os a snail.

So whether pace or no pace, when you are able to get a defender behind you to score, you are a great dribbler. AFTER ALL THE GREATEST DRIBBLES DONT MAKE IT DUE TO LACK OF PACE.

good night.

coogar:
£80m in 2009 is about £100m in 2013.

Not true at all.

coogar:
so how come bale won both categories in april 2013. i thought you said players can't win both at the same time.

No longer important. What is important is that Bale and Ronaldo had the same win/lose senior to junior awards.

coogar:
ronaldo was united's highest goal scorer that season - that was the season united mashed up teams left right and centre. how's he a big game flop. the 2nd best player in the world is a big game flop?

They always said he wasn't playing well in big matches, even commentators said it. He responded to that criticism with his goal in the UCL final against Chelsea.

I think I gat to go. ELECTION THINGS. I WILL REST TIRE.

chic2pimp:
Elamps Baba that is called PACE nau . No one is denying he has PACE. He has it In abundance sef however I am still looking for that "Special Ability" you claim He has got.

If he doesn't have a special or unique ability, then no one has it. Messi doesn't dribble every day. It's only Hazard who has the ability to dribble every day.

Bale can also shoot accurately from distance.

chic2pimp:
This is the POINT I have been trying to drive home all day. "Kick and Run"/ "Push and Follow" is not doing a Diego Armando.

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Dribbling is beating a man with ball. Which ever way it's done. Etin Esin can dribble better than Ronaldinho. Pius Okedia can dribble the wholefield with the ball always in his legs.

chic2pimp:
Modric was certainly more important to the team.

You won't hear me argue with the award He won in 2013 but the one He won in 2011 was nothing but a joke tbh.

Modric was sub standard to Bale. Bale brought out everyone else in the Spur team then. It was like Maradona going to Napoli.

coogar:
how did you arrive at that?
you mean bale earns more than messi/ronaldo? or you are talking about transfer fee?

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Do you break the bank to buy an every day product?

coogar:
you are a dïckhead!
ronaldo won the young player & the PFA player the previous year in april 2007. you can win both categories. andy gray won both categories in 1977 as well.

Then Ronaldo lost to Fabregas in that category. Same way Bale lost to Wilshere.

You know the votes came in before the UCL final was played and Ronaldo was being accused at the time of being a big game flop. You remember?