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parrotibaba:
I was here last year na not at d beginning ,joined later ...d goal was scored in 2012

Was that goal not at the beginning of 2013/14 season? May be September or Oct 2014? Not 2012.

In 2010/11 season, Cleverley scored 4 goals and gave 1 assist for Wigan. In 1634 minutes, 4 goals, 37 shots and 16 shots on target.

But he came to Man United and his scoring ability suffered lack of confidence over time. In four seasons, 2 goals, 3 assists, 43 shots, 14 on target. Although he was not so active in two seasons.

He has played 2,000 minutes for Villa, he is yet to score. 16 shots, 4 on target. He needs to resurrect his scoring ability.

parrotibaba:
no I was not ,but we r arguing about d last time wazza scored a free kick n I cited d WB game n u told me it was a cross dat went in ...or wasn't it you?

Not me.

Cleverley used to score for Wigan. I am sure his scoring confidence dropped after a while.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TPtRfDIKr4






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84pkkyNd1Sk

nitrogen:
Elamps, what do you mean?

Was Parrotibaba here last season? Or he is someone who went to rebrand?

5/04/2015 09:06, Report by Ryan Grant
Angel Di Maria reaches double figures for assists

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal says Angel Di Maria will soon be given a chance in the starting line-up again after the winger registered his 10th assist of the season in Saturday's 3-1 win over Aston Villa.

Di Maria came off the bench at Old Trafford to set up Wayne Rooney's stunning strike on 79 minutes, as he did for Juan Mata's memorable volley against Liverpool last month.

As ManUtd.com reported earlier this week, the Argentinian is not far off David Beckham's club-record 15 assists in a Barclays Premier League season, and van Gaal described the £59.7million signing's contribution as "fantastic".

"I have said that already – expensive is not the issue," the manager said. "Do I have to make a line-up with the most expensive players? I don’t think so.

"That is not an argument, in my opinion, but an argument is that he gave his 10th assist and he did not play all the games like Herrera, so it is fantastic.

"Di Maria, his turn is coming but I have to wait for the right moment."

parrotibaba:
I don't need to argue further on dis ,he NEVER meant to score from dia ,re watch d replay n u will see dat he spotted RVP making a run n he hooked d ball towards him ,in fact I think it's a terrible cross n had it not entered ,he would hv gotten stick from RVP ,tell me why a player like cleverly will try to score an audacious goal from .a perfect crossing position n when he had a team mate making a run for it? If I was tom ,I will claim dat I meant it so dat ppl wouldn't look at d fact dat I messed up my crossing ,he covered his a$$

This is why you refused to give him credit for that. You fail to remember he missed several other attempts.

parrotibaba:
ah ah ,Ricardo Rodriguez scored a similar goal last weekend ,he crossed d ball n d goalkeeper was expecting it to reach a teammate but b4 he knew it ,d ball flew in ,IT WAS A FLUKE GOAL!! ... it is not a tactic








unless u believed dat wazza meant to score dat free kick against WB ,[b]I remember u telling me last year dat it was a fluke goal when we were arguing about free kick[/b]s

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I am not sure you were here last year when the goal was scored.

parrotibaba:
n u believed dat? c'mon of course he would claim he intentionally scored it ,dis is similar to wazza's goal against WB last season ,a free kick he meant to cross ,ask him n he will tell u he meant it ...

But Di Maria's goal against QPR looked like a fluke or a cross. However, Van Gaal said they brought it our from training. It would be like it was meant for a team mate but it was really supposed to be a deceptive ball.

parrotibaba:
Coogar easy ,we all watched d match n d replay ,dia were two players in d box ,welbeck n rvp ,he saw rvp making a run n he hooked d ball towards him but got lucky cos d ball flew over harper n into d net ,rewatch d highlight again ,even ur gif shows welbeck in d box

I am sure he meant it. Cleverley used to try stuff like that. Rooney started it, but after some time it wasnt working for Rooney anymore. Cleverley made several of such attempts, some did not hit target but went wide.

coogar:
cleverley passes the ball better than herrera.

Ukwu!!!

Side and safe passes.

coogar:
why should it matter where he scored? forlan couldn't score to save his career in england but he became an instant cult hero in la liga.

You are still stubborn about this Bebe.

coogar:
with that logic, herrera is better than carrick. herrera is better than iniesta. you need a bachelor's degree in football matters.



bebe did wonders on loan last season. he scored more goals than any of our wingers last season.




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you can tell other qualities Herrera might be weaker than Iniester or Carrick, but I wonder if you will find one quality to put Cleverley over Herrera.

As foe Bebe, was it in epl he scored?

Guys, how can that be a fluke. He meant it na.

coogar:
cleverley....

https://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/686/897/cleverly_original.gif?1358441252

One goal in how many thousand minutes?

Hererra has 7 goals for Man United.

But wait, you also prophesied Bebe to shine. And you were stubborn about it till the end.

Odunharry:
i see dimaria starting against city

He should be starting from the bench for now. He is world class, but let's keep to the formula.

Kemizee

I think you can see what we are saying?

Valencia record is very impressive too. When check the matches Young, Val and Carrick have started together, you have almost 100%. Young and Val have outstanding record of matches played together.

Di Maria when started, we have lost Leicester, Man City, Southampton, Swansea and Arsenal.


Although he has also done much for us in certain games.

Man Utd 1 - 2 Swansea
Sunderland 1 - 1 Man Utd
Burnley 0 - 0 Man Utd

Matches from Sept 1st
West Brom 2 - 2 Man Utd......Substitute player.
Arsenal 1 - 2 Man Utd
Man Utd 3 - 0 Hull
Man Utd 2 - 1 Stoke
Southampton1 - 2 Man Utd
Man Utd 3 - 0 Liverpool
Aston Villa 1 - 1 Man Utd
Man Utd 3 - 1 Newcastle
Tottenham 0 - 0 Man Utd
Stoke 1 - 1 Man Utd
Man Utd 3 - 0 Cambridge U
Preston 1 - 3 Man Utd
Swansea 2 - 1 Man Utd...........Substitute player.
Man Utd 2 - 0 Sunderland
Newcastle 0 - 1 Man Utd
Man Utd 1 - 2 Arsenal
Man Utd 3 - 0 Tottenham
Liverpool 1 - 2 Man Utd
Man Utd 3 - 1 Aston Villa

* When started, Ashley Young has only lost one match (FA cup against Arsenal) since the arrival of new players.

Cleverley would have hit those Herrera's goals into stand while Ando would have played a back pass to Villa goalkeeper or even take a shot that travels for a throw in.

coogar:
you did.....
i told you fellaini is more suited to playing behind a striker but gollum didn't have the balls to play him there.

cleverley & anderson would have also made it if they had stayed longer. if young could up his game, why won't ando & cleverley do the same?

I cant remember us having that argument.

Ando and Cleverley. hmmm .......... Ukwu!!!

coogar:
what a wise man can see sitting on the floor, elampawa will not see it from the MTN mast. i backed young & fellaini to come good and they have made you swallow your vomit.

Who argued Fellaini with you? But you also backed Cleverley and Anderson?

Kemizee:
I knw Van gaal has washed us all with the "team lacking balance" nonsense.All u can tell me is dt we dnt av reliable defenders.Tell me me trut for a minute...will Valencia or Young wid wat they produce be starting for teams like Bayern, Real, Chelsea or Barca Di maria is a classy and I dnt care hw Van gaal defines "Balance".A player dt is more productive deserves to play because he is simply better dan a player who works hard and produces nothing at all..Ryan giggs usd to play on d left and Ronaldo on d right.They had a lot of quality and Giggs was master of losing d ball because he usd to play a lot of loose passes dt annoyed me bt he was quality nevertheless.The problem is dt we av a fragile defence (again dis is debatable because we av d 3rd best defence in d epl).If we get a world class defender or two..den we wil b okay and dis balance bollocks will end.Bayern av robben and ribery, real av ronaldo and bale, barca av neymar and pedro..chelsea av oscar and hazard..these are players dt lose d ball a lot of times esp ronaldo and bale who mishit a lot of pass bt dt is because they are adventurous players who will try to be creative and once in a while play the "risky" pass.even our legendary Giggs was guilty of this.are we saying dt these teams I mentioned also lack balance? Ashley young and valencia dnt dribble, dnt create, dnt play killer balls...they jst look for d safest option and dt is y u feel they av "balance".I wud rada av players dt attempt to do something dan d ones dt are afraid and play safe Sirs...

If we were not winning our matches and you wrote like this, it would have been a bit okay. You don't like Di Maria and Rafael more than anyone of us does. I battled many guys here to support Di Maria coming to Man United. Many of us have written off Ashley Young long ago, excerpt Coogar who sounded foolish defending Young. Everyone of us know Rafael's quality and what he could do. But I personally think Rafael and Evra were the reasons we were losing badly to the top teams in the last two years. They find it hard to hold such creative players like Hazard, Silva, Mata, Moses and Nasri. Although not everyone would agree with me.

My point is, we have find a winning and a working formula, we have to stick with it until a player start losing form or a better player is proving himself. Have you wondered what amount of protection Rafael would give behind Herrera and Mata? Three small players on one side? Then some protection for Carrick?

I am sure Di Maria will be great for us, but he has to fit in. Last season, except for Isco, Madrid forwards did not bother about pass accuracy, they just hit the ball into space for one another and they next person (Roanaldo or Bale or Di Maria, even Benzenma) chases after the ball. This is why Di Maria cannot hit a pass with the appropriate weight to align with our passers like Mata, Herrera, etc. On the other hand, most of these guys cannot cope with his running/speeding football, except Rooney. As it is now, Gaal cannot be trying to make these players adapt to one another under this fight for top four.

You don't want to watch UCL games next season? If someone should give you the games that Young started and we won vs the ones Di Maria started that we won, you will change your mind sharply.

We should beat City. I am confident going into that game. We have all the confidence behind us.

Gaal would be confused on which two players to use in centre back. I think I will go with Smalling and Phil Jones.

Kemizee:
The least you say about Valencia, the better.The most wasteful,brainless attacker our club has.

Valencia is not an attacker for us this season.

Kemizee:
He is the player who sees the most ball in this team

Have you wondered why he sees the most balls in the team? He is the one who is most likely to keep it even under tight marking. He provides security to our ball possession and is used to start our attack, change play direction and reset our holding balance. Valencia also has a good first touch which keeps the ball tightly under his control, and you will hardly going to disposes him of it.

Kemizee:
yet he manages to Bleep up every single attack either by a woeful cross or smashing it into the left back's thighs.

Not exactly true anymore. Valencia has improved so much under Gaal as compared to last season where every of his run ended up being an attempted cross into the box, and then got blocked because everyone knew what he wanted to do. One reason his crosses are easily blocked is because he is trying to pick a man instead of just crossing. This season, Val is progressively improving his play with his team mates. He is able to reverse, play infield or even drive through the middle.

* Your assertion that he smashes every single attack on opposition is wrong. He picks our team mates with crosses and also cuts back for team mates. I think it was against Liverpool at Old Trafford he cut back beautifully for Rooney to score.

Kemizee:
.I always give up anytime the ball gets to him because I knw it wud amount to nothing.

You have to learn to know every player's strength and weakness and what role they play for the coach and for the benefit of the overall team. If we can get Herrera and Mata to deliver the goods in the attack, then it's okay for Valencia to defend and involve in build up play. Not every defender can score like Ivanovic.

Kemizee:
He is very hardworking and athletic like Ashley young but he is hopeless wen it gets to final ball or productivity.Games like the one against City is what Di Maria is about and you will remember this next week.

Valencia is over criticized while Rafael's creativity is overhyped. Valencia 5 out of 12 crosses connected in the last match, when compared to Ashley Young 0/10 you will see Val did well. Val looks up before trying to pick a man with his cross. Young just try to hit a dangerous cross into the box.

Rafael had 1 assist last season, 3 in 2012/13 (although he scored 3), 4 in 2011/12, 1 2010/2011., 1 assist 2009/10 (although he scored 1 goal).



Lastly, if any Man United fan can't see what balance Valencia and Young give us, then that person is not analyzing our games rightly. I don't have the figures, but I am sure Young has the best win percentage for our team. He always has two men trying to stop him whenever he runs at defence. That means the opponents dont have liberty to throw more men at our midfielders. He also can retract. Valencia is never going to be outpaced by strikers. He also keeps an eye on our defensive midfield zone while he provides security to our ball retention. He involves well in build up play.

PietroRico:
they and liverpool.
Hopefully we destroy city's own next, after they fail to win tomorrow.

If we beat City, we are there.

Liverpool has an FA cup, meaning their two leaders will be back to steady them. Their remaining fixtures are very cheap.

dopeJemi:
Bros, forget all this sermon.. He didn't do much, he wasn't all shyte because of his goal and his contribution to the last goal, if not he was shyte

Which forget the sermon. Why do you guys have double standard?

Tell me when anyone has ever used the word 'shyte' when RVP has scored even if it were a penalty?

Now someone uses 'shyte' on a player who scored one and contributed massively to another. He had an effort on goal cleared off by a player, else it was in. He operated between two very tall defenders and was man marked heavily, yet he put only 4 passes wrong all afternoon.

chrisley024:
SMH

Do you people hope or look for excuse to tear Rooney apart? How can you say he was shyte. Coming from chrisley who would praise RVP after scoring a goal even if he had been poor over several games, and even if he was the worst player in the game he finally scored.

I don't understand why some players attract bad comments here in the slightest opportunity. Rooney' movements have been praise worthy even when he is not on the ball. Yesterday when he was dropped into attacking midfield behind Falcao, he did not put any foot wrong.

dopeJemi:
We are talking about yesterday's match, and if it's yesterday's matching you are talking about which second assist are you talking about?

Second Assist. Opta explains it as a pass that leads to an assists. It is weighted higher than an ordinary pass.

PietroRico:
Spurs drew

Yes, the result I wanted. They have very easy fixtures but they are not in form. We destroyed their confidence.

IYANGBALI:
just that his goal and nothing else,ordinary pass he no fit pass

How did he give his second assist to Mata if he cannot pass?

chrisley024:
That's the English media for you. Bar that his goal, he was shyte in the game.

Whoscored rated him as our 3rd best player.

....and he was the architect behind the third goal. He won it from an opponent and drove straight into the box, by so doing he gave us plenty options. Then he picked Mata who in turn picked Herrera. A second Assist as it's called.

That was the second time he won a ball from opponent, the first time he shot wide himself after driving it towards the box.

SailorXY:
you can view highlights from the official EPL website. I don't know if downloads are possible on it tho

The highlight provided for folba is a full 7 minutes plus highlight that can be downloaded with ease. Although with Arab commentary.