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AdeLaNa1:
Top 4 is already assured as far as am concerned. A win on Sunday and finishing above City and a chance to finish above Arsenal will do us a whole world of good. I just hope LVG sticks with his starting lineup. Incorporating RVP to the starting lineup will mean he has to drop Herrera or Mata. Which IMO is a bad idea. Rooney alone up front is fine by me

coogar:
they said cleverley couldn't have made herrera's pass to mata, i provided evidence of a more difficult pass by tom cleverley via gif.

they said herrera passes more accurately, stats proved cleverley is actually better at it. you and your cohorts are running out of excuses.

coogar:
but the problem with this analogy is, fabregas fails at simple tasks like 1+1.

dopeJemi:
I know, that was why I agreed to your assertion that he passes the ball more accurately based on his number of backwards and sideways passes, but you need to understand that anybody can do it, de gea go get 100percent pass accuracy if he want... If herrera decides today that he wants to start passing the ball like cleverly, he will do it with ease, no be just to dey pass backwards and sideways? It's that easy...

It's just like comparing a student that solves only 1+1 to a student that does calculus, will you now say the student that does 1+1 is more knowledgeable in that field than the one that does calculus? in order for you to know calculus you must have passed through the 1+1 stage and mastered it



I don't know if you understand the math logic I just used

coogar:
fabregas can't pass - he takes too many risks cos he forces moves that are not on. that's one of the reasons he didn't fit @ barcelona. he's the worst passer in the midfield that had xavi, iniesta, busquets. even del bosque never trusted him in the midfield, he often left him on the bench or played him as a false striker - where his inaccurate passes wouldn't hurt the team.

coogar:
of course, 80% is better than 87%

coogar:
what has this gotta do with passing accuracy of cleverley & herrera? why are you jumping around?

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•elampiro - herrera is better than cleverley in everything.

•coogar - cleverley passes better than herrera

•elampiro - messi has 1000 shots, xavi has 600 assists, iniesta has 40,000 key passes, RVP had 1864377 shots

•coogar - cleverley's passing accuracy is 87% & herrera's passing accuracy is 80% - **the stat was backed up with evidence**

•elampiro - xavi has 0.0007 min per shot, iniesta has 9.6789 nano-seconds per assist & RVP has 578536 shots per second
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as you can see, you are jumping about without advancing your argument one jot. who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? answer that question and we can call it a day.





who has the better passing accuracy between herrera & cleverley? you said there's nothing cleverley does better than herrera. i countered that point with cleverley's passing accuracy - and since then you have been colouring the argument with irrelevant stats that had nothing to do with herrera.

comot for road, abeg.

coogar:
you are the one confusing yourself na.
i said if cleverley had a striker like messi in his team who takes about 33% of the total shots taken by the entire team and scores at least 1/3 of the shots taken then cleverley's key pass or assist stat would be higher.

you then went on to show stats that messi took 22 more shots than van persie that had 38/38 league game appearance. it means messi was more effective than van persie that season & he took more shots in less number of minutes than van persie. cleverley in their team would cop more assists/key passes.



no, you didn't tabulate the shots of messi/RVP per min. that was where you hid the lie. besides, why are we comparing cleverley to iniesta/xavi. i thought the comparison was with herrera abi na barca herrera dey play?

secondly - the player closest to cleverley's role in barca would be busquets. try compare like for like. my initial assertion was cleverley passes the ball better than herrera & their historical passing stats have proven me right.

anything beyond that is you grappling at straws.

elampiro:
Assist in Man United
Herrera 4 Assist in 1239 minutes.
Cleverley 3 Assists in 3561 minutes.


Key pass
Herrera is 72.9mins/key pass in Man United
Cleverley 76.6 mins/key pass. using 2012/13 season

Now tell me who is the better passer. Iniester and Xavi don't just go about making passes for passing sake. Check their Assists and key passes when they were still in their prime. Iniester with 16 Assists in one season. Iniester 47min/key pass, Xavi 50min.key pass.

coogar:
cleverley clocked 90% several times under SAF - including european games. he's the better passer of the ball. statistics say so.

coogar:
assist is for amateurs!

coogar:
herrera plays in a more advanced position while cleverley was in the pivot in 12/13 season. even then, the difference is marginal.

coogar:
if united had messi(90 goals per year) in their team when cleverley was there, his key pass stat would be under 30 mins. messi scores from any part of the pitch, you want to compare messi to rooney?

coogar:
the same kinda passes made xavi & iniesta legends. who cares how the passes are made? as long as the possession of the ball is kept by the team, who cares? mata & herrera have made more backward passes than cleverley this season......

coogar:
cleverley's career passing accuracy is 87% - herrera is on 80%. is it possible that 80 is higher than 87?



bebe was the highest scoring portugese player in portugal last season. he scored 12 league goals in total - same as rooney has managed this season yet bebe is a winger.