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mcfarlin:
Has hazard showed any level of consistency to show he's a world beater??

Remember neymar is younger than he is?.

I am not sure I know what you mean by world beater.

As for me, Hazard is world class. I love his game from inception. I like players who can dribble with ease.Dribbling is natural to his game. Hazard is not the kind of players who will give you goals, but he take away men from the road in numbers and deliver the meal for his team mates.

Di Maria is a great player.

The speed at which he played gave him advantage over Hazard. Pace and Power.

Shirley07. See some Liverpool matches and look at Suarez as the number 9 striker.



Arent you entertained?

elampiro:
Suarez
CF= app 31 . Gls/assist 32/11
FL= 3..........1goal/0 assist
FR= 1..........0 assist 1 goal

http://www.whoscored.com/Players/22221/





I have told you. You didn't watch these games. Suarez was Liverpool number one centre forward. They also played fluid games. Sometimes two man forward as we had in Old Trafford.



Bye.







Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagayo.

* Shirley07, the above came up in the summer and it was established that Suarez played the centre forward 31 times for Liverpool. This was from whoscored.com players' summary at the end of last season.
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For further imformation on Liverpool's formation last season.

* Check whoscored.com Liverpool most used eleven playera, Suarez was in the number 9- as the most used in that position.

* Liverpool used dominantly 4-3-3 last season. With Sterling on the left of the front three, Suarez in the middle as the number 9 and Sturridge on the left.

* 4-3-3 was used 14 times. 4-2-3-1 9times, 4-1-2-1-2 7times. 3-4-1-2 3times, 3-5-2 2times, 4-4-2 2times and 4-3-2-1 1time,
In all of these there was no times Sterling played the number 9 as you claimed. Suarez
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* http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/26/Archive/England-Liverpool

You can verify everthing in the above link. You will even see that contrary to your claim, Sterling never played centre forward.

mcfarlin:
All those players have a better end product ratio viz a viz goal/assists than eden hazard.

Even neymar is better.

How can you tell that it's not their solid team tha help them, based on your theory?

Shirley07:
I dey wait na.

Tomorrow.

mcfarlin:
Of course there's no past for him...the only way to move forward in his career.

He's in a well balanced team in a real sense of the word.

He is one of the core players of the new Chelsea team since he arrived. He is the best dribbler in the EPL and among the best in the world. M$ay be Di Maria will overthrow him.

Is Silva not in a well balanced team? What about Messi, CR7, Robben, Bale, Ribery, Iniester, Neymar?

Did you see Hazard dribbled past three defenders today to win a penalty?

Shirley07:
Of course, you wouldn't be interested since you got no leg to stand on. Moreover, You need to know there's a life after Rooney.
Back on Suarez, he had 12 assists for Liverpool last season and this equates to the total assists made by Sturidge (7) and Sterling (5).
That said, you got to update your football knowledge.

Are you sure you want a real argument? I left you because I saw that you are a feather weight and your football knowledge is kindergarten. I saw a lot of ignorance I your analysis and I felt I should just leave you alone to learn gradually instead of discouraging you.

Now you want to form capon. If you are willing I can school you on formation Liverpool used (with evidence) and such things as 'False 9', second striker, AM, etc.

Shirley07:
Am I to start teaching tactical formation too?
Last season, Liverpool deployed a 4-3-1-2 set-up which is a variant of 4-3-3.
In that 4-3-1-2 set-up, Sterling and Sturidge were deployed as inside forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role behind them. All of them are still forwards and let me inform you, second strikers are also forwards and they are quite different from no 10, who are playmakers. Silva, Kagawa, Ozil e.t.c are what we call no 10.
Did you actually think Sterling and Sturidge played like an out and out wingers for liverpool last season? Infact, that formation is the exact formation Manutd has been deploying for the past 3 games now. I.e Rooney/Mata behind Falcao and Rvp.
As for Rvp, without him, Arsenal wouldn't have got into the top 4 because in the previous year, the likes of Fabregas, Nasri, adebayor e.t.c were sold off and these were Arsenal's top players. As a matter of fact, Rvp had 30 goals with 9 assists for Arsenal that year whereas Rooney only had 27 goals with 4 assists that same year. Even when SAF turned Rvp into an out and out striker, he still had like 8 assists in his first year for us.
It's quite obvious you know nothing, save for that Rooney delusion of yours and I'm still waiting for you to tell me the players that stepped out of Rvp's shadow the moment he left.
Like I said earlier, no 10s are quite different from second striker. That was the reason I told Coogar I don't know what Mata is turning into because he doesn't play like a no 10 does. Obviously, teams that deploy second strikers do not make use of no 10. In short, Second strikers are glorified false 9 strikers.
And I still maintain my stand on Rooney, his play is nothing like a SS and no amount of running around like a headless chicken will make him look like one.

What evidence do you have to support your claim that Suarez was the creator behind Sterling and Sturridge? You are so wrong on this.
As the rest of the argument. I am no longer interested. Stale.

mcfarlin:
D hell he is!!

Let's not forget he's playing in a well balanced team.

From day one he has never looked back. I thought they were rebuilding then- 2012/13.

I respect Hazard. I have always been a fan of his since his first match for Chelsea. Certainly world class!

Na so jor.

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Dadehmola, Januzaj has played in the midfield this season, so I knew he could be creative there too. But his defensive cover was a worry in my choice.

Dadehmola:
I knew you would try to be smart. This was your position that day, to which I opposed..




...after lying a few mins ago with this statement..



Considering the fact that you couldn't have suggested januzaj as an option based on the above, it's obviously you lied!!

Elampiro, give up - you wanted a Valencia wankfest on the wings and that was why I opposed you

I don't know what you are trying to get at. What you quoted is not different from what I submitted already. Pu those three posts together and you should draw a conclusion. We were discussing Herrera's replacement. I said Val or Janujaz 'playing close to him' not 'playing in front of him'.

Anyone reading knew exactly I meant the midfield.

IYANGBALI:
Louis van Gaal on the 2-1 victory over Everton at Old Trafford on Sunday:

“It was a very good first half, like against West Ham. We created a lot of chances but in the first half we only scored one goal from all those chances. Then we got a penalty given against us. Everton hadn’t created any chances until the last-minute of the half, but fortunately De Gea stops the penalty. Then I thought the second half was easier to play against Everton because they wanted to equalise, so we had to keep the ball. But we couldn’t do that. I made substitutions to help our organisation but despite my changes it was not better because in the last 15 minutes they created three big chances.”

Van Gaal on goalkeeper David De Gea and his outstanding effort against Everton:

“David De Gea was fantastic today. When there are a lot of players in front of you your view is not so good as a goalkeeper. When the shot comes in from outside the box it is always at the last moment that you see the ball, but his reflexes are very good.”



Van Gaal on Radamel Falcao’s winner and the Colombian getting started on his scoring for his new club:

“Yes, he needed that goal. I talked with him and I told him that he was forcing himself too much to score. He is a player who scores in every match, but now he has waited to score. Now he has [got his goal], it will be better after the international break.”

Van Gaal on the ever-impressing Angel Di Maria against Everton:

“I have said in my press conference that he is a team player, that he gives a lot of assists and he is making a lot of goals. We also need balance in our team when we don’t have the ball. For that, we have to find the solution. He is doing great. He wants to do his work defensively, but the balance in our team in the second half has to improve. When we have the ball we have to keep the ball and we didn’t do that. So that’s why in the second half it was very difficult for the fans, for the players, for the substitutes, but also for the manager!”

Louis van Gaal on the injury that forced left-back Luke Shaw off on Sunday afternoon:

“It was an impact on his knee and he has a dead knee. He could have made it worse so that is why he stepped out.”

Gaal nailed it. Particularly the substitution part.

elampiro:
So who do you want to play in case Herrera isn't fit?

What happens when Rafael overlaps and Everton counters? Januzaj would be exposed. You have to do a good permutation. You want to leave all that work for Blind?

This question I put before Dadehmola clearing tells I was talking about the midfield.


* Dadehmola, I be coach o. No be me use all my strength bring Di Maria come Man United?

elampiro:
The good thing this time is that some are coming back.

Januzaj and Valencia are options too. Having Rafael on will help any one playing close to him.

This was when I suggested Valencia. I did not mention wing. I remember the last time at Goodison Park, Everton bullied our midfield of Mata, Fletcher, Nani and Kagawa, with Mata in the hole. So I wanted a better cover.

elampiro:
Feelings are that it's no good news at all as United prepare for a 2nd scan. He might be away for a while.

We better get Anderson in shape. I am not for Fletcher now. Fletcher's game is too predictable.

This was my first suggestion on finding Herrera's replacement. Now on to the next one.

Dadehmola:
Abeggi - no dey form one "coachito" for here. You suggested that Valencia should be played out wide - something any reasonable united fan will vehemently oppose.

If you will have problems grasping this on future, lemme spell it out again... Considering how horrible Valencia has been on the wing for a while now, he should have no business in that position ever again!!

I can't remember what exactly I suggested. I thought I suggested Val should play to cover for Mata's midfield battle deficiency. I will look at that post again.

Odunharry:
elampiro take note.....Val was impressive,very very

Lol. He is actually BinghiNya's man. I like him but I have no favourite among Val, Nani and Young. Some how, I think Young is a bit the odd man out because he has not done even half of what Val or Nani has done for us. In my opinion. I only was coming to defend Val when I felt he was unjustly the scapegoat.

I suggested we used Val in the midfield but someone (I think Dadehmola shouted me down) and Starboard was applauding him. Then Afrodoc also picked Val afterwards before Coogar surprisingly selected him too.

Let's hope we keep getting results and get a stable back four most importantly.

StarBoard:
the argument is over the #10 position.
Tell me how many of those goals Rooney scored from there.
Leave van Persie out of this argument. He was never in it.

You came late. I am no longer interested in arguments. If goals were to be the criteria for picking first 11, we know who shouldn't be in the team at all.

Any way, carry on as you wish.

igbsam:
Make Match finish first, i dey come for rooney matter. Can we see how Mata Is contributing positively in a crucial game like this. If na rooney, him go dey run up and down dey do message wey dem no send am.

Abeg make una dey allow person enjoy match.

The 'fortunate' assist that fell on Mata's pass is nothing near the assist Rooney gave to Herrera and Di Maria from beautiful build ups. Not assists from rebound.

Even thou Rooney had the below stats I never praised him.

* Vs West Ham 1 goal, 92% pass accuracy. I am not even going to mention touches and others.
* vs Leicester, 1 assist for Di Maria.
* vs QPR 1 goal, 1 assist.

Only QPR was a home match and the only team that plays on the ground among the three.

Abeg make una dey let us enjor match and hope for victory. Have you ever seen me praising Rooney during matches even when giving a MOTM performance?

Congrat guys.

Kudos to DDG, Rafael and Di Maria.

Now we go for West Brom.

Our midfield has totally collapsed, since Val left.

Thank you DDG.

What kind of subs are we making?

Why substituting Falcao?

DGG finally. He heard my call.

One more goal and we can hold.

Good luck to us. We need to win this and the next game, at least. Chelsea- anything can happen.

parrotibaba:
I can't believe what am reading in dis thread? Wayne Rooney is not good as a striker, he doesn't hv d movement blah blah blah...

...in 2009/2010 season who was our main focal point of attack? in 2007/2008 n in 2008/2009 who were d deadliest attacking duo in EPL n in Europe? d fact is Rooney is a game changer n he is versatile i.e he can play as a winger,a supporting striker(which brings d best outta him),an attacking midfielder, a defensive midfielder n finally a left back but being versatile does not mk u d master of all positions n as far as I know, he is at his best playing behind d striker not in d midfield.... as I know, Sir Alex Ferguson loves versatile players n his squad was full of versatile players who can switch roles when needed...n dats why Rooney was able to fill in d midfield role in 2011/2012 season n even played d defensive midfield role against Otelu Galati in d UCL dat season but u should know, its not his position n dis season, he's being played out of position cos we hv falcao now so don't expect him to do wonders dia...Wayne Rooney is a wonderful striker n is still adapting to being captain of both his club n country n let me tell u,it ain't easy at all...


...let's just pray n hope dat Juan mata fills in perfectly in dat role so dat we will hv a good game today...we need to outscore Everton if we r to win dis match... #UpManUtd

You have good memory and you wrote this so well. Everyone who played competitive football knows that versatile players usually get sacrificed. Paul Scholes was played on the wing to accommodate Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard in midfield at Euro 2004 because of his versatility. Nobody reasonable manager will play a one sided Chicharito/RVP in the midfield and play Rooney as a striker. SAF most times used Rooney to clip opposing midfielders while we defend (as he did against Essien in 20011) knowing fully well Rooney would still deliver the goodies required as a number/attacking midfielder. The coaches who used him knew what enormous value Rooney brought to our game. Rooney has just too be sefless.

Let who wants to hate keep hating. Na them know.

leggo:
Di Maria v Everton - 5 assists in 3
games

Di Maria or Mata

BinghiNya:
Elamps better channel your efforts to better things, their criticism of rooney won't affect his weekly wages nor change the good works he has done for both country and club, the managers rooney played under should be termed foolish for playing a poor player for over a decade, wazza the double captain, united fan's home and abroad love your contributions and passion for united.

I think this is the solution. You are so right.

If Rooney was not any good Gaal who was so promoted here as a no nonsense man should not have been playing him. They told us Gaal would sell Rooney but players like Kagawa, Chicharito, Cleverley would be promoted. Now Gaal has arrived, it's a different gospel. I think these guys and babes just get Hot pulling Rooney down. Let me leave them alone to climax to their orgasm.