European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:37pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: just as Mata was always voted above him irrespective of not dancing unnecessarily around the pitch  What is always there? They played only one season. It was Hazard's first season. What happened when 'the special one' arrived?  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:32pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: his di maria not a winger? is silva not a winger? how come silva & hazard are both inverted wingers but hazard has no through pass in 7 league games? This is not important sef. EPL players told us Hazard is the best between the two. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:24pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: are you interested in zigzag football or productivity? how many times has 6 successful dribbles per match led to goal? he dribbles panties Wenger parades & suddenly dribbling is new invention? He was Chelsea's top player last season in terms of goals and assists. But most importantly the EPL players voted him as one of the best XI. Your opinion doesnt matter anymore.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:20pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: when are you going to confess that hazard has no through ball(through pass) this season?  He is a winger. Did he not make some last season and the previous? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:16pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: if na di Maria you dey refer to; Nani & Young are dribblers, Oga players get level. Silva is better than Kagawa & Mata. how pacy is Fabregas to have all that influence in Chelsea or Mata to be named Chelshit player of the season ahead of Hazard Can Nani and Young still dribble? Particularly Young. Hazard is doing almost 6 successful dribbling per match in the EPL of all league. He hardly gives the ball away despite keeping it for a long time while waiting for his team mates to arrive. That kind of player is very important. May be we know why Madrid want to buy him.
Can anyone beat this? Hazard who dribbles most in a match and keep the ball longest in his feet has only got dispossed 4 times this season. That sums it all up. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:04pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
SIRcumalot: Azpi hardly crosses any chelsea fan will tell you that,of the two FB Ivanovic is the adventurous one. I'll to see the stat that disprove that. So hazard basically does two jobs For those who wants players like Silva or Silva like player may i remind you we use to have to of them Kagawa and Mata they did fuq all. We brought in a Player that runs at defenders and dribbles all day see how different we look. Am tired. That Hazard is a bad guy o. N aonly e waka come? He has 36 succesful dribbles already this season. The next two are Lamela 21, Sterling 20. Silva has only 10. Despite this, Silva get more dispossed than Harzard. I beg. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:55pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal says the Red Devils need to start dominating games more Van Gaal wants United to start dominating games, which will in turn help improve their defence. “When you want to be a big team you have to perform like one, “It’s not just about scoring goals, we get enough of those, it is about dominating the game. To do that you need better defensive organisation, and that is about teamwork. You cannot just blame the defence because proper, organised defending begins with the strikers. “We have brought in a certain type of player, a lot of creative, attacking talents. Those players not only have to look to making a goal but also consider the rest of the defensive shape and measure the risk of every pass they give. “It is a process, it will take time, but we are improving, even if we are still losing the ball too easily.” [Source: Sport Review]
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This is what I mean by a player who retains possession for a long time. If we have one who can keep the ball for long like Hazard, it will help us retain the ball for long. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:52pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
MaziOmenuko: This is pure undiluted blasphemy! Did you write that? Silva can't keep the ball? With his skills and low centre of gravity, its a big task to disposes Silva! He runs the game care-freely like he was born to play; he rotates between the hole and the flank.
A one-legged, deaf and color blind Silva will have a place in my team any day! Not tue at all. Silva has been dribbled 20 times by other players this season. Hazard only 4. Hazard even has more play time than Silva.
Dispossed of the ball: Silver 18, ....... Hazard 13. Hazard has more play time |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:18pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Please, I beg to take a leave now.
logout. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:17pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: i dunno why people overrate dribbling.... a through-pass like what cesc supplied last night is more effective than dribbling to me. the reason people dribble is to break the lines & get through - it serves exactly the same purpose as a through-pass.
by elampiro's standard, okocha is better than xavi.  lol. I don't even rate Okocha so high. I know where I put him. I don't rate many dribblers high- Etim Esin, Denilson, Write Phillips  , Robinho, But there dribbling even got them where they are otherwise they wouldn't get the rating to come out of their villages. When 2012/13 season started and I saw Sterling and Hazard, I immediately like them. I have liked Di Maria and Robben for ages. I have never really be a fan of Ribery even though I know he has pace and power. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:10pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: hazard isn't an out & out winger. he's very different to valencia or even nani who hug the touchline. if hazard is a traditional winger, what was he doing at the edge of the box dribbling 3 arsenal players to win a penalty?
silva gets drafted wide & he cuts in like hazard. aguero/dzeko are the top 2 forwards in city. navas on the right, nasri/silva on the left. they all operate in the same way but silva is the better player between the two. Who gets into the middle more than Nani? Nani scores most of his goals around the 18 box arc. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:09pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: mourinho was also belgium's manager when even fellaini outplayed hazard in brazil.
professional footballers have spoken? ok - tell us the whoscored ratings between nani & bale in 2010/11.  The difference here is that two seasons were compared between Silva and Hazard by EPL officials and Hazard won. In whoscored three sesons were compared, and Hazard won two. whoscored and EPL best X1 don't always agree every time. But in the case of Silva and Hazard they corroborated each other 80% on who is the better player. Only once out of three times did whoscored picked Silva over Hazard. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:01pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: stay there dey deceive yourself with mathematics, so you are trying to tell me that Hazard was more in the game against City than Silva? this last match wey we just watch finish? a game where the first meaningful Chelsea attack was after a red card to their opponent? hahaha guy get yourself a better television first, & probably a HD decoder as well That;s because Chelsea park the bus. If you reverse their teams. Silva won't even been seen. Anyway, I want to log out now. Hazrd has been in the last two EPL X1 while Silva was missing. Any other opinion apart from that which was comncluded by the professional in the business, is useless.  Bye guys |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:57am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: Calling Messi and Maradona cos Hazard dribbled 2-3 assnal players. Sth Nani, Val and Young have done for fun.
Your problem is that u get hypnotised by players u rate high that u can analyse them well even. My friend, that was a Maradona kind of dribble. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:56am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Cooagr, those stats you stated is screwed by the fact that Mourinho parks the bus and City plays their forwards high on the pitch.
The professional footballers have spoken. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:54am On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: no he doesn't! chelsea players get into the box a lot & thus they win penalties. it's not down to hazard alone. what he did yesterday was the only positive thing he contributed in the game & that was it. if silva had done that, aguero or toure woulda taken the resulting penalty.
whoscored cannot quantify such differentials.
EPL XI is sometimes a popularity contest. we all saw nani outplay gareth bale in 2010/11 but bale anonymously got the award. in 2008/9 season, giggs was chosen over vidic, ronaldo, torres & gerrard. giggs contributed next to nothing & he won a sympathy award. there are other examples too.
if silva gets substituted, it's a testament to the quality of the city side. hazard would be lucky to get 20 league starts at city.......and silva will play every game at chelsea. hazard is so good but mata was chosen ahead of him as the player of the season.
hazard ko, danger ni. EPL XI is fair enough. Gareth Bale was coming from defensive position to win dribble his way to score similar goas as he does today. That was where he started doing his killing before he was later used in the midfield. In the UCL he was single handedly winning games for Tottenham. He ttok that season by storm just as James took the last world cup by storm. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:43am On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: make I hear word jare how many times has Nani used Arsenal to practice dribbling skills? Wenger always parade feather-weight players, & for all their technique, that alone won't make you a world beater! where was the special dribbles from Hazard against City a forth-night ago? How many has he done against the likes Liverpool or teams that add physical approaches?
and your are calling his name in same sentence as Bale Waht are you saying sef? You have not been watching Chelsea since last season? Hazard dribbles even against Agbegi teams. * vs Man City as you said. Hazard won 6 drbblings against Silva 2. * Hazard had an assist and Silva nil. * Pass accuracy, Hazrad 95% Silva 89, despite Mourniho parking the bus. * aerial duels, Hazard 67% Silva 0% * Even if Silva get sub, he should be posting above 6.rating in a match like this. I am not aware that Chelsea has played Liverpool this season.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:32am On Oct 06, 2014 |
leggo: Gervinho has a bigger impact in his less-expensive squad, delivered in WC. Watch him and don't judge based on Urban legends about him I will notice when Madrid and Barca start speculating about puting 50 million on him. lol Ba used to deliver in a small club until he got a big club. So that is not a criteria. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:28am On Oct 06, 2014 |
SailorXY: so if you tasked with picking a player for Man United now with Hazard & Silva before your face; you pay up for Hazard? Yes, with all the pleasure. Silva cannot keep the ball. If we have someone to keep the ball like Hazard, o boy we are home. He keeps the ball so firmly and he gives his team mates options to move in in the manner he keeps it. That's is the interesting part of his game. A ball keeper is very key to a team. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:22am On Oct 06, 2014 |
leggo: Gervinho is better than hazard... So compare him to Neymar? Are you kidding me? Now I have a reason to know this argument is a joke. Time to quit. Gervinho playing for Roma. What is his football tranfer value? Hazard will be the next big money deal from the EPL after Suarez. Except something ugly happens to his form. And I don't see that |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19am On Oct 06, 2014 |
coogar: silva is at least 5 times better than hazard. the whoscored rating is a farce. hazard takes penalties - the ratings will not highlight that aspect like yesterday where hazard did little & scored a goal via penalty. Harzard wins Chelsea most penalties. Most times when the game becomes deadlock he does a Maradona like dribbling as we saw yesterday. Did you see what he did yesterday to win that penalty? Only Maradona or Messi can do that. He did it many times last season bringing something special late on to win difficult matches. coogar: another reason whoscored rating is a farce is the fact that they base statistics per game instead of per minutes. hazard has spent more minutes on the pitch than silva in the last 2 seasons.
in a nutshell, the only time whoscored ratings should be taken seriously is for one game where the players compared both completed 90 mins. you cannot use it as an accurate statistical tool for one season where one player plays more minutes than the other. If whoscored is farce? Then Silva's case is even worse with EPL best X1 (voted by EPL players in the last two seasons.) No one here can claim to know better than collective of professional EPL players. Lastly, if Silva get subs, it means he isn't even so valued. He get's rotated with a player like Nasri. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:08am On Oct 06, 2014 |
^^^ Hazard has only spent two seasons and for the two seasons professional footballers voted him above Silver. That cannot be a coincidence. I think, may be, some of you only learnt football from theory. So you cannot see the overall picture.  |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:04am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: I rate Silva higher. He has got big game influence, intelligence and technique and makes Toure better unlike Hazard that flashes few times in games. But Premier league preofessional footballers rate Hazard higher for the two season he has played in the EPL. Are you going to constest that? |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:36am On Oct 06, 2014 |
Dadehmola: That's because fabregas was the one creating chances for costa at Athletico with the kinda agbero football they are known for abi?
Hazard is a tactical dribbler of the ball - his dribbles create space in the opposition's defence for his team mates to exploit.
Even if Chelsea bought 10 fabrepasses, it wouldnt have improved toress' form. The earlier you stopped thinking about the toress at Liverpool, the better. No be the same toress wey dey miss empty net at Chelsea??
As we speak, toress isn't better than Connor wickham. You took it out of my mouth. With Costa, Lampard would have excelled even at old age. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:33am On Oct 06, 2014*. Modified: 11:13am On Oct 06, 2014 |
I just checKed this out now. 1. Premier league best eleven 2012/13..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed. whoscored best eleven 2012/2013........... Harzard not listed, Silver listed, Sterling not listed.
2. Premier league best eleven 2013/14..... Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling not listed. whoscored best eleven 2013/2014............ Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.
whoscored 2014/2015 best eleven to date Harzard listed, Silver not listed, Sterling listed.
Any further argument on this chrisley024? ..............................................................
Whoscored players rating. Á. D. María..M. Utd......8.05 E. Hazard Chelsea......8.04 C. Fàbregas Chelsea....7.90 |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:08am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: @elampiro, between Silva and Hazard who will u choose? I like Hazard, Silva and Sterling. I have always liked them all. But I pick Hazard as the best among the three. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:02am On Oct 06, 2014 |
leggo: to borrow a line from rival fans: there is a conspiracy against us! We should have been second now. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:01am On Oct 06, 2014 |
MaziOmenuko: Yet you conveniently pull up those stats to defend your stand when it suits you!
Ironically, I never talked about stats, nor did I present any. I'm just saying from my own observation, Fabregas has been of more effect than Hazard, and his dancing around the pitch with the ball will only get him injured one of these days. Because he assists? Remove Hazard and Chelsea will be far less feared by opponents. * If I wanted to pull stats I would just give you their whoscored ratings. You see Hazard rated best for Chelsea last season and rated higher than Fab this season despite poor stats. You see Iniester rated far higher than Fab and Sanchez last season depsite having far inferior stats. You see Robben rated far higher than Gotze and Lewandowsky now depsite having similar stats. This goes to show the overall efficiency of these players I listed- Hazard, Robben and Iniester. I have been a fan of Robben for many years and same way I like Hazard. But Hazard only problem is his lack of super speed. If he had even the speed of Ramires, he would be a better player than Bale. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:43am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: Well, their criteria is best known to them cos I'm yet to see why. Votes were from followers of @ManUtd on Twitter and MUTV viewers. Have they finsihed voting for the shorlisted three players? I didnt follow up again sef. Whoscored gave it to Di Maria. 9.4 MOTM DDG 8.0 Falcao 7.9 (goal + clearance offline) Rafael 7.4 McNair was rated higher than Rojo. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:04am On Oct 06, 2014 |
MaziOmenuko: I believe Hazard will perform better in a league like la liga than he's presently doing. Presently, his dancing around the pitch is very inefficient; compared to Fabregas who is seriously delivering key passes and assists.
I still don't see Hazard as a big threat to opponents. He is easily contained, and mostly goes anonymous when the heat is on. Hazard Inefficient? Are you serious? He is the one doing the killer job for Chelsea. Football is not about statistics or theory. * If football were to be about stat, Fabregas would have been retained in Barca and Iniester sold to QPR. * If football were to be about stat, Robben would have same value as Lewandowski and Gotze. * If football were to be about stat, Sanchez would be in be in Barca now commanding a regular shirt. Sometimes players who have high stats in goals and assist are not as important as some others doing the killings. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:49am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: Which site is that? When we've Rafael. Before DDG's saves, it would have been Di maria then Rafael.
Btw, Paddy was rated higher than Rojo. The club official site. |
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:05am On Oct 06, 2014 |
chrisley024: Paddy still did better than him the 2nd time. Paddy put Lukaku in his pocket while Naismith he was supposed to hold tight scored unmarked. Was also caught out of position for Osman's strike that DDG saved  I didn't real pay attention to the CBs movements. But I saw that Rojo was the 3rd player nominated for MOTM with Di Maria and DDG. |