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Shirley07:
Suarez was deployed in a withdrawn striking role behind Sturridge and Sterling last season, similar to how Rooney has been deployed in the last 2 games.

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You are 100% wrong. Sterling never play the number 9. Suarez was the number 9, but they also sometimes played three-man forward with Suarez working more as the false 9 than Sturridge. We have dealt with this with before. I may have to search out the page to refer you back.

Shirley07:
On Rvp, he wasn't just a striker for Arsenal, he was their source of creativity in his last season for Arsenal. Infact, Rvp and Song were Arsenal's most important players that season and do tell me the players that stepped out of Rvp's shadow as soon as he left?

Why was Arsenal struggling when RVP was there? Have you thought of that? He just sat in their box and waited for others to work for him. He was just a striker like Benzema is for Madrid or as Nilstelrooy was for Man United. He didn't drop deep to create from the deep.

Shirley07:
Lastly, when I say Rooney's play is nothing like a SS, it means he doesn't play like one evethough he's deployed in that role. The second striker/false 9 role requires intelligent movement and awareness, good short interplay, appreciation of space and superb techniques. Rooney showed none of these in that role. As a matter of fact, Totti and Messi are still the master in that role. Ibra and Suarez are not slouch either.
Abeg, I wan sleep.

This is the greatest fallacy soccer has witnessed since it was introduced to planet earth. Where has Rooney played since he joined Man United that we won many trophies? He played dominantly as the second striker/attacking midfielder.

The videos I submitted yesterday, where was Rooney operating from? That was second striker or attacking midfielder. Did you see how much he took the ball single handedly from our half into the final third for those assists? How many attacking midfielders can do that? What we have nowadays are just lazy number 10 who midfielders work for, then they just pretend to throw some intelligent passes to up their stats in terms of chances created.

Tell me any one SS/number 10/AM who can score as many goals as Rooney, provide many assists and help out defensively while bursting forward 40 yards with a speeding run and dribbling? The reason Rooney has many goals from distance more than any EPL player in the last 5 years is the fact that he is the master in the acts of wiining midfield battles and creating from the deep. This was what made United thick until we abadoned speeding football and ruuning riots from the deep.

* Last season Rooney was criticized for playing too deep. But when Kagawa was featured in the number 10, he played deeper in the midfield than Rooney.

* In 2012/13, heat map between Rooney and Mata showed that Rooney played deep in midfield (apparently due to our wek midfield) but in the second half of the season when Phil Jones played in the midfield, Rooney was pushed higher up the pitch by SAF. Then his stats were far more impressive than Mata's.

I submitted a link which illustarted this. Hpefully I will search this out at dawn.



Let's hope we win today. Enuf argument now.

Alan Shearer:

I would have him in behind Sturridge, where he has proven himself time and time again, and move Sterling to the right, where he plays for Liverpool the vast majority of the time. play him at all.

Hodgson felt Rooney played well last night when he was on the left in the first half. If that was the case, why did he swap him over to the right for the second half?
Rooney was unhappy and uncomfortable out there and I understand why. We should not be playing our top goalscorer out of position. Put him where he can do some damage.
He has got 39 goals for England and is only 10 off Sir Bobby Charlton's record.
At the age of 28 he could and probably should go on and break it - but he won't if he is playing out of position.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/27845815

Look at Rooney's England goals record from the number 10 position. He also has astonishing goals record from the number 10 position for Man United coupled with excellent work rate.

Shirley07:
You forgot the Vampiro, Suarez.

Suarez is a lead striker. But he also drops deep.

Shirley07:
Anyway, if you watch Rvp's performance for Arsenal, you would realize he's a more rounded player. The fact that Sir Alex turned him into an out and out striker doesn't make him a poacher. Even then, he's still a player that can pull off the unthinkable.

Van Persie has always been that kind of player who makes everyone else work for him. That is why his goals are mostly from around the 12 yard mark. When he is in a team, the other players don't get the chance to score. When he left Arsenal, other players got liberated and started scoring. It helped the team.

SAF brought him and started playing differently from the counter attack United was used to. Nani, Valencia, Young, carrick, Welbeck, Anderson, Chicha all got their football skills killed and buried because United adopted something strange. Everyone working for one man. If City had put up 90% challenge of what they did the previous season, United wouldn't be champion. United actually did better the previous season without RVP, it's just that City were flawless.

Shirley07:
As for Rooney, Apart from his vision and finishing skill, his play is nothing like a SS.

Are you kidding me. Where did Rooney play in 2012/13 when we won the title? Where did he play in 2010/11 when we won the title? Where did he play in 2011/12 when we gathered the highest performance ever on the log? You haven't been watching Man United very well.

PietroRico:
are u kidding me? What do u think is the cause of the endless rooney debates?

It's simply because he didn't live up to the promise of his earlier years. He didn't reach expected heights.

There are many reasons for that and the biggest contributing factor is his life style
Allowing himself to accumulate adipose by simply not working on himself.

He also had issues with some other bad habits that are not supposed to be attributed to any serious professional


I need to sleep jare.
My next reply(If need be) will be 2moro

This is not the reason for Rooney's debate.

All I keep hearing is that Rooney is useless. Chicharito is better than Rooney. Welbeck is better. Beteke should be bought and Rooney sold. Lewandowsky should be bought and Rooney sold. Ba should be bought and Rooney sold. Kagawa should be played and Rooney benched. Mata should be played and Rooney benched. All these are just the few I have heard in the last 19 months I have been here.

I guess you don't know the reason for the endless debate.

Shirley07:
It's not SAF fault that Rooney is an unreliable inconsistent shïthead.
Play him as a striker, he roams around, won't keep his position and grumbles. Play him as a second striker, he disrupt the play and complains.
Rooney is just a jack of all trade, master of none.

If you played football you would know that there are different types of striker. Aguero is a different type of striker from hyenas like RVP and Chicharito. Moreover, Rooney has never played as a lone striker for Man United as RVP or Chicha does. The only time Rooney was so used was last season and he averaged more than a goal per match from that position.

As the second striker, Rooney has delivered the best in the history of EPL.

^^^

The writer of that article knows nothing about football. If an ex player like neville, Kean is talking we can listen. Not someone who learnt football from video game or statistics. If you are not a medical doctor you are an ignoramus in medical field no matter how many books you read online. Same with football.

I can pull out a million articles critizing Van Persie including whoscored.com. Those are not coaches' opinions.

PietroRico:
this reply is not mine. Redirect your quote

That cannot be challenged na. He has better stat in this regard than RVP and Mata. RVP has stopped dribbling since last season

PietroRico:
that means u agree that He didn't fulfil potential, right?

When has this ever be a debate here? I don't know the target he set for himself. He has many EPL titles and a UCL trophy. If SAF had fortified the team after 2008 UCL triumph up to 2013 with great players as we are doing now, Rooney would have achieved far more. We would have won the league 6 straight years.

PietroRico:

I will show you recent videos in the coming days. Rooney still got speed and dribbling.

PietroRico:
my Goodness!

'We're more concerned with what he can offer now' and what you got from that sentence was the emboldened?

Sigh

I'm in no mood to argue that yeye kagawa/messi analogy with you.

Good night bros
And make sure you Dream of rooney (in a non 14 years-able way sha )

We just getting our team together now with Falcao, Di Maria, Herrera just coming in. You have to allow everyone to settle before you start judging.


* As for now Rooney is our only forward who can go past a marker. Watch this space.

PietroRico:
elamps surely doesn't understand how much potential rooney wasted for stuupid reasons.

If he did, he would not carry out wankfests to whatever rooney offers now that looks like the world to him.

The mistake he made was to remain at Man United where SAF prefered to utilize his energy for deep roles. His deep play helped to sugar coat our midfield all these years.

Had Rooney gone to City or Madrid where the midfeid is strong he would have been regarded as one of the greatest scorers football has ever seen.

Play Rooney and two pacing forwards in a 4-3-3 and you will see his speed. Last two seasons he and Ashley Young murdered City with speed. Then he alone scored a late winner pacing past 2 defenders before firing home.

Lats season he initiated a move from inside our box and he was on hand to score when the counter got to the opponent's box. Last week I saw plenty pace from him,,,, too bad he has to be out for a month now.

I will find these gifs and post them gradually. These videos help to buttress ones point better.

Rooney is still among our fastest players. The only thing is that he doesnt use his pace often.

PietroRico:
lol. U don start with your conspiracy theories

When Has anyone ever. come Out to start posting youtube videos to needlessly eulogize any player

I have seen countless youtubes and gifs here before.

PietroRico:
lol. Stop making things up.
[b]No one[b] doubts What he has contributed to the club

If na by that one, the likes of giggs, scholes, and even bobby charlton would still be in the starting 11

We're more concerned with what he can offer now.

As for he being our best player, all I can type is lol.

How is he not offring something now? Our midfield has been shyte and Kagawa couldn't cope in it even if he were just 24 years old. Messi will suffer with our midfield of last season.

^^^

And you have never before complained about clip/gif before even if it were 25 years ago. It's Rooney and you have to complain. You see what I mean at times about sentiments?


Any way good night.

PietroRico:
how will they save our season and win us the league.
Showing those old clips is only emphasising the point being made here.

he has regressed

But we were told he has never done anything for us whereas he was the one working for the team.

Even if he had regressed now as you claim, he is still a zillion miles better than Welbeck and still about our best player.

PietroRico:
Elampiro!!!

Warrizit na

Do your rooney worship privately

Biko

Seeing is believing. People have forgotten all the things Rooney has done for Man United.

Just try to see that video and see Rooney going past men, giving most intelligent assists, etc. He just knows where to put the ball. He fights in the middle of the park and even from our half tear down into the box to give assists. He deserves it all mehn.

Rooney just know where to put the ball for his team mates. In 2004/5 he must have assisted 15 to 20 goals for his team mates with Nistelrooy the highest beneficiary. He shared his assists anyhow...

Rooney even gave the assist to Ryan Giggs to score the vital goal that guaranteed us the 2007/8 title. That season he gave many assists too with CR7 and Saha as the highest beneficiaries.

What is most remarkable about Rooney's assist is the distance (deep in the feed) from which he starts his moves. His is the best number 10 EPL has seen jor. Humans forget so soon.

The clip also shows so many players Rooney has outlived in Man United.

Take a bow for Wayne Rooney. This man has tried for Man United o. He earned any respect the management bestow on him today.

Wayne Rooney Assists 2004/05-2007/08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufs7m2HMhJA

E don tey Rooney sha. I saw some of his clips tonight. Scoring goals with powerful left shots etc.

This particular clip reminds one of his work rate, some dribbling (even going three past men), and intelligent finishing. I always like to see that his goal in Rome. So sweet, mostly as Scholes was sent off, Rooney worked like three men that night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MJi_8Sg5yc

Watching the above videos would reveal how much our football has changed. We used to kill opponents on the counter. We played plenty men behind the ball such that it's hard for opponents to find spaces to penetrate us. We had speeding and hard working men who capitalized on a little slip to finish opponents. Now the mentality has changed with hyena approach. Plenty of spaces behind.....


If Rooney had been running like his how would the fat gatther at all? He would have been a Robben now. Whoever changed his metality is to be blamed. Capelo

Beautiful Rooney- two in one video. Only 35 secs

Rooney, Ronaldo and JS pARK. See the speed and good judgment of Rooney. I will have to go find how yo pull out gifs too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPlO2wwdprk

May be the next thing I will get to learn to do often is posting videos and clips of our past matches. All those times Rooney, Ronaldo and JS Park killed opponents with counter attacks. I remember some against Arsenal sef.

In 2011 it was our old man, three Ryan Giggs passes that settled the UCL match between Man United and Chelsea, home and away. Giggs sent Boswigwa away from EPL. Last season it was Giggs passes from midfield that made us overcome Olympiacos.

It has been part of his game.

JayKayMaybachz:
How did yhu come up with this, Oga Elampiro

I am not a Gif man, I would have posted some videos. Giggs is the best in the act, followed by Rooney. Once Giggs gets behind the defence line, it's finito- he picks United player like 90% of the time. He knows when to put the ball in the air for Rooney/CR7/Berba/Tevez to head home. Same with Rooney. From midfield, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney are the masters of picking our man in the opponets box with a long pass.

This one is worth a thousand post. lovely!

coogar:
welbeck is very good in the final third.
yes, his balance is shaky but that's because he's gangling. how many tall players look the business when running at the sheer velocity welbeck produces? maybe only ronaldo or bale.

welbeck hugs possession - he wouldn't take a wild shot and hope.....if the chance isn't clear cut, he would rather pass the ball and build the attack all over again. his decision-making is still better than rooney's in the final third.

Ukwu!!!


Rooney has the best decision making in the final 3rd for Man United. How many assists can Welbeck give? How many accurate crosses can he make? Rooney is only second to Giggs in picking out a man with a clever pass in the final 3rd. I beb go watch videos of Rooney and Giggs giving assists and picking out teams mates as CR7......

Yaya Toure produces his magic from outside the box in the 81st minute. The first time he pushes forward.

Paul Scholes feels skipper Wayne Rooney is too nice to opponents.
Scholes wrote in the London Evening Standard: "I don’t think Wayne Rooney’s tackle on Stewart Downing was the kind that hurts an opposing player.
"From what I could see of it, Wayne tried to trip him and ended up catching him higher up the leg than he had intended. It was the position on the pitch that puzzled me. It was not as if Downing was in on goal.
"If anything, Wayne’s the kind of player who’s better when he’s on the edge. In recent years I think he’s been too nice to opponents. You see him helping players up after challenges. He’s better when he’s nastier. That was the way he was when he came on to the scene 12 years ago. He was the player who was aggressive and did not try to hide the fact that he hated losing.
"As for myself, I did not spend too much time giving opponents a hand up after I had fouled them – well, only if I thought it might change the referee’s mind about a card."
[Source: London Evening Standard] ‪

From another perspective.