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coogar:
more stupïdity flowing out of your oesophagus.....

rooney was the lead striker in 11/12 - he bagged 27 goals & 4 assists in an entire season. rooney won't play from a withdrawn position & cop only 4 assists....you yourself know that is acute dementia if you trumpet that line.

in 09/10, rooney bagged 26 goals & 3 assists in an entire season. a similar stat to 11/12 which suggests he was in a similar position like 11/12. if we ignore assist stats, those 2 seasons were the only time in rooney's career where he failed to record more than 2 key passes per game.

elampawa, it's another bodybag for you for the 10th time today. call your wife to boil some water & buy some aboniki balm for your backbone. the number of times i have taken you apart today must be a record.

elampawa, who's your daddy?

chrisley024:
Oh really?! And he's a starter. Either you know more than City managers or you don't watch City games.

coogar:
was that the reason rooney had only 3 assists in an entire season in 2009/10? was that why rooney had only 4 assists in 2011/12?

elampawa, shooting his own foot since 1865

coogar:
this elampawa is an illiterate.
starting line up has no bearing on what happens during the game otherwise defenders won't be scoring at all. to bust your bubble completely, i would show you again why i am intellectually superior than you when analysing football.

that's the break down of all suarez's stats last season. pay attention to where he was receiving the passes & getting the shots off.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1766405_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the second chart below is his combination with sturridge. where in that reading did it say suarez was always ahead of sturridge? we are talking action on the pitch, you are talking about starting line-up. how many of your idiötic whoscored charts have shown up yaya toure playing from the hole?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1766404_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

elampiro, you got a lot to learn.
i will let shirley07 finish you off completely from this point. you don't always know when to back off in an argument where your arms are short.

chrisley024:
Na this simple question brought all these.

Well, as for me, I'll choose Silva over and over again. The guy is the heartbeat of City and a beauty to watch.

Hazard can win all the award for all I care.

coogar:
suarez wasn't the lead striker - lead strikers don't leave their position as arrow head. suarez was floating - matter of fact, at a point brendan rodgers described the two as 9.1/2 forwards. they interchanged & dovetailed each other effectively.

the chic is correct, you are wrong!



what has that gotta do with anything? rooney was whose striker? when?? did i not show you enough games as the season progressed when suarez was stationed wide for sturridge?

coogar:
you are a pathological liar!
i remember having this argument & suarez himself said sturridge is the main striker. suarez drops deep & dribbles his way to the front. sturridge stays on the shoulder of the last defender all the time.



that argument is over - you lost woefully.
every assertion you brought up as defence was torn apart into shreds. your knowledge base in statistics is the size of a mustard seed. mine is the size of canada.

coogar:
elampawa getting battered left & right.

see how he's changed mouth now in his last comment that formation is fluid & forward players can float anywhere around the opponents box & do damage.......which was contrary to what he was claiming before with hazard & silva argument.

elampawa - lying to the public since 1865.

coogar:
she's making sense but i would leave you guys to it. so far she's made a strong point than an SS is different from an AM. when she finishes beating you to a pulp, i would come & rescue you.



it's available & silva still trumps hazard.

like i told you, i am so advanced in stats analysis these days that assists are no longer relevant in the things i consider when comparing creative players.

silva made more key passes per minute than hazard in 12/13. if he cops less assists than him, it then means city's strikers were profligate in front of goal. it's an easy deduction, no abracadabra.

Shirley07:
You said it yourself that Liverpool utilized 4-4-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 formations and this formations employs second striking system. Infact, you dug your hole by yourself or are you telling me Suarez played in a midfield role in a 4-4-2 set-up or wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up? You're indeed a clueless fool.

Now back on the 4-3-3 formation, Suarez's always starts his move from a withdrawn role behind Sturridge and Sterling, who cuts in as inside forwards while feeding on passes from the deep, same way Cr7 does at Madrid. Most times, Suarez also finished off move he started himself. And Like I said in one of my previous post, Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were neither wingers nor no 10s in that set-up, they were all forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role and let me repeat it to you, second strikers are forwards and are different from no 10.

You know what? You need to start watching more of the game which you obviously do not.

coogar:
it's funny!
see how shirley07 is using your credibility to wipe public toilet
elampawa, the chic is making sense & you are talking crap.



exactly!
another big indictment on hazard. go to the chart again and
see how long it takes hazard to make a CCC.

elampawa just shot himself in the foot!

coogar:
stop talking bullshyte! it's a key pass.
CCC stat is then taken out of all the key passes registered. when did
you start following stats that you are lecturing me about key pass?

mtchewwwwww!!!

Shirley07:
You said it yourself that Liverpool utilized 4-4-2, 4-1-2-1-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2 formations and this formations employs second striking system. Infact, you dug your hole by yourself or are you telling me Suarez played in a midfield role in a 4-4-2 set-up or wingback in a 3-5-2 set-up? You're indeed a clueless fool.

Now back on the 4-3-3 formation, Suarez's always starts his move from a withdrawn role behind Sturridge and Sterling, who cuts in as inside forwards while feeding on passes from the deep, same way Cr7 does at Madrid. Most times, Suarez also finished off move he started himself. And Like I said in one of my previous post, Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling were neither wingers nor no 10s in that set-up, they were all forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role and let me repeat it to you, second strikers are forwards and are different from no 10.

You know what? You need to start watching more of the game which you obviously do not.

coogar:
https://i.minus.com/ibl5I1y1tHwpu5.gif

i guess this kagawa's pass isn't quality enough then.
that was why smalling missed.

coogar:
hahahaha - so whose business is it that hazard won the pen?
what's the guarantee he would score sef had the ref not blown for pen?

hazard with the worst crossing accuracy? hazard with the worst successful dribbling?
more than 100 dribbles & yet less chances created. silva dribbles less & creates more chances.

shouldn't that even tell you dribbling is overrated?

coogar:
this is stüpidity at its sterling quality.
the difference between assist & chance created is if your team mate scores from the pass you delivered.
ozil treaded a good pass to welbeck, welbeck hit the post.
had welbeck scored, ozil woulda gotten the assist. welbeck missed, ozil got his pass recorded as chance created.

how is it ozil's fault that welbeck missed?

this is why assist charts is for amateurs like you.



do you have polio? you cannot use your hands & provide the stats you need?

coogar:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1761147_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

silva murdered hazard yet again & this is 12/13 season.

coogar:
my football knowledge is more advanced than analysing assist charts. it's for newbies like yourself. assists largely depend on a team-mate, it's not entirely an individual stat, it's a team stat.

chance created is an individual stat cos no matter what the team mate does with the ball, you still get rewarded for your own part of the action. so keep hugging stats assist.
.

coogar:
what's there to talk about 12/13 stat? i produced that already yesterday & hazard was murdered.

elampiro:
Before the arrival of Mourinho. This was some Hazard stats under Banitez and Roberto.

Hazard played 2636 minutes.
goals/minutes= 259.
assists/minutes= 339



Silva played 2520 minutes.
mins per goal = 630 mins
mins per assist = 315 mins




This was even with Fernado Torres as the lead striker.

coogar:
time to nail your coffin!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765909_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

the stats above prove chelsea took more shots than city - which nullified your assertion that chelsea players don't like taking shots.


www.nairaland.com/attachments/1765910_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

this stat proves chelsea & city scored the same number of goals from counter attack which also nullifies your assertion that chelsea particularly play counter-attacking football & didn't get the best out of hazard.

any more excuses??

coogar:
you are starting to skip like a faulty CD.
so it's only strikers that are allowed to shoot at chelsea? what about their rampant floating 3 behind the centre foward that shoots at will.

only 3 players had more than 2 shots per game at man city excluding david silva. 5 players had more than 2 shots per game at man city excluding eden hazard. even toure that scored 20 league goals that season averaged only 1.8 shots per game.

that alone tells me creating the chances had nothing to do with the quality of strikers - shots were still taken. statistics revealed chelsea took 693 shots last season to city's 673 shots. so what's your excuse? each of the passes that led to those shots taken is a created chance.

just admit it, hazard is inferior to silva.

Shirley07:
That should at least shows a lame tactical inept guy like you that Liverpool employs a 2-man striking set-up with Suarez as the SS.

Shirley07:
That should at least shows a lame tactical inept guy like you that Liverpool employs a 2-man striking set-up with Suarez as the SS./quote]

You are the most blinded ignoramus I have come across in Sports session of nairaland. If you don't know and you humble yourself, your blindness can be healed. But now that you claim you proudly glorified your ignoramus, I wondered how thick your darkness is and whether it can ever be healed.

We talk with proofs and not like market women. I have given you proof that Suarez was the arrow head for Liverpool. You are here making tatatatatata. This is not Balogun market.

[quote author=Shirley07 post=26947892]However, the second striking role is not only employed in a 2-man striking set-up. For example, a 4-3-3 setup can utilize a second striking role in a kind of 4-3-1-2 set-up, a variant of 4-3-3.

Shirley07:
Moroever, I didn't say Sterling played as a no 9, I said he and Sturridge played as an inside forwards with Suarez in a withdrawn role behind them in a variant formation of 4-3-3. Something like this: 4-3-1-2.
Back 5;
Allen/Countinho -Gerrard - Henderson;
Suarez;
Sterling - Sturridge.

Shirley07:
According to you, Liverpool deployed a 4-3-3 formation 14 times which is invariably 1/3 of the 38 games Liverpool played last season but I'm also telling you that out of the 14 games Liverpool deployed 4-3-3 set-up, Suarez was mostly deployed behind Sterling and Sturridge in a sort of pseudo striking role, which is equivalent to a second striking role.

coogar:
this is another fraudulent deduction.....

the quality of the fire power has nothing to do with the chances created. we are not calculating goal assists, we are calculating passes that led to every shot taken. whether torres/ba scored or missed, it bears no relevance to chance created.

coogar:
what has counter attack gotta do with the fact that hazard who we were told here last night hug the touchline more made less crosses than silva(who we were told operated centrally)? you people would lie to sway arguments.



this is a lie - silva never played number 10 for city. there was never a time city didn't have 2 fit strikers last season. they interchanged negredo/aguero/dzeko & in the rare cases when they reverted to a lone striker, yaya toure played in the hole.

the stats speak for itself......

hazard - 74 crosses in 2890 mins
silva - 102 crosses in 2162 mins.

and silva played number 10?
elampiro, do you take us for morons here? why is a number 10 making more than 100 crosses in spite of the fact that he played 720 minutes less than hazard?