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dopeJemi:
It shouldn't even be a debate, you don't need stats to tell you the bolded, its just too obvious

Nihilist:
What exactly does your chart prove?

coogar:
this is why you should never take whoscored seriously....this was their 13/14 stats, another evidence that PFA award is sometimes a popularity contest.

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Hazard.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Silva.png

this is why silva is the grandfather of hazard.

JayKayMaybachz:
Did yhu write this, Elamps??

coogar:
my stats nullified whoscored - whoscored tabulate stats per game. even if hazard spends 3 mins more per game than hazard, he would appear to be better because in those 3 mins difference, his stats would be padded up. whoscored does not take players who take awoof penalties into cognisance - a goal is a goal as far as they are concerned.

their stats is dodgy - this is why diame has been better than your £300k/week obese striker this season. why not swap diame with rooney then since whoscored has fooled you into believing their dodgy collated stats.

coogar:
the fake allegations have started....
when have you ever seen silva as a number 10? he's an inverted winger with the license to roam anywhere he pleases.

yaya toure plays more in the hole than silva - city always start with aguero/dzeko or dzeko/jovetic. when it's time to lock up, they take a striker off, push yaya toure in the hole to cause mayhem to the opposition & add one gorilla to partner fernandinho.

elampawa, you don't have to lie to sway arguments. hazard is also given the license to roam at chelsea. he interchanges with the floating 3 behind costa or torres but he has less creative bone than colonel silva.




i have provided statistical comparison of both players in the last 3 seasons & silva shat diarrhoea(watery faeces) on hazard. hazard can't even step to mata......na silva ę wan compare himself to?

khaki ain't leather - let hazard fight it out with matt jarvis or stewart downing. silva is miles ahead.

coogar:
Nani's Omission Is Baffling & Farcical


few honest british journalists could see the fraud from a mile away then but this particular journalist(from daily telegraph) isn't popular to make himself heard loud enough.

so mr elampawa, PFA vote is sometimes about popularity contest.

coogar:
because the media love hazard more than silva -duh! how did bale get a sympathy vote over nani in 2011? how did rooney steal votes over drogba in 2010? rooney won nothing - drogba won the league & the golden boot but it was rooney who got voted in by the PFA.

like i told you, it's a sympathy vote!



where's vidal now?
you said we would buy vidal - so where is he? why are we still leaking goals in the back? you don't have an answer....



you better look up & see their statistical comparison on a site that plots per minute. david silva is sòdomising hazard again for the 3rd season running in spite of the fact that chelsea are having an excellent season & city have lost games already this season.

statistics never lie - silva is more successful with his dribbling, he wins more tackles, he creates more chances, he makes more key passes. who would a manager choose between the two? of course - it's silva.......if hazard isn't careful, he would end up to become another rooney.

coogar:
how did ronaldo regress? he started the season with an injury - he had an operation after euro 2008 & he delivered the premier league on a platter of gold. he took united to another champions league final - when the chips were down.

a good header against inter at old trafford, a good goal(goal of the competition nominee) at porto, a brace at the emirates to take us to the final. in the league, had ferguson not taken him off in some of the games, he woulda won the golden boot again.

so tell me - what did giggs do this season to win the PFA player gong? apart from the game against chelsea at old trafford where we beat beat them 3-0, giggs was anonymous that season. the media engineered his sympathy vote knowing it would be a disgrace of a player who has played for 18 seasons had not won the PFA gong.

coogar:
yes, i said spending that huge money on di maria was insane & we should have spent it on areas where we were deficient. remember as at then, we had not bought blind & rojo. they were not even on the radar, the rumour of di maria came from nowhere & you wanted us to get him and leave the defence & midfield unattended.

coogar:
you are a quack statistician!
is this how OPTA analyse statistics. do you know how many of hazard's turnover led into the opponent scoring a goal? where was silva dribbled? did he offer himself to be dribbled to buy time for his covering teammates? you cannot nitpick stats in isolation & add them together.

coogar:
you have not advanced your point one jot....you keep dancing round in circles. i guess EPL players were also right when they chose a geriatric giggs over world best player(ronaldo) in 2009.



i said ashley young(if fit) is as productive, if not better than di maria. that claim is still very valid. i don't want to start digging young's résumé again.

- i have done that more than 20 times on this thread, i even challenged you to find any winger better than young in the whole of europe(minus ronaldo/messi) and you ran away with the tail between your legs.

unfortunately for young, he is unfit again this season to re-produce the form that made SAF pay the top dollar for him in 2012. as far as productivity is concerned, only few wingers can match ashley young in europe. his performance in 2007 got jose mourinho sacked.



you don't understand stats!
i dunno why van persie is being brought up in a debate that involved silva & hazard but i can defend the dutchman.

van persie is a centre forward. he's constantly marked by 2 centre-halves & he operates in high pressure zones on the pitch. there's hardly any striker with a good turnover stats....

hazard isn't a striker. he's further away from the opponent's box than a centre forward, why then is he losing the ball twice as much as silva who play the same role for city? it then means the more hazard dribbles, the more likely he loses the ball.

your fraudulent stats is only showing attempted dribbles - it didn't say how many of those dribbles were successful in the end. the turnover simply shows eden hazard is a liability & this is why silva has outpassed him in the last 2 seasons.

* Silva has 5 turnovers, 18 dispossed, got dribbled 20 times. Total negative activities = 43.
Hazard has 10 turnovrs, 13 dispossed, got dribbled 4 times. Total negative activities = 27.

coogar:
you have not advanced your point one jot....you keep dancing round in circles. i guess EPL players were also right when they chose a geriatric giggs over world best player(ronaldo) in 2009.



i said ashley young(if fit) is as productive, if not better than di maria. that claim is still very valid. i don't want to start digging young's résumé again.

- i have done that more than 20 times on this thread, i even challenged you to find any winger better than young in the whole of europe(minus ronaldo/messi) and you ran away with the tail between your legs.

unfortunately for young, he is unfit again this season to re-produce the form that made SAF pay the top dollar for him in 2012. as far as productivity is concerned, only few wingers can match ashley young in europe. his performance in 2007 got jose mourinho sacked.



you don't understand stats!
i dunno why van persie is being brought up in a debate that involved silva & hazard but i can defend the dutchman.

van persie is a centre forward. he's constantly marked by 2 centre-halves & he operates in high pressure zones on the pitch. there's hardly any striker with a good turnover stats....

hazard isn't a striker. he's further away from the opponent's box than a centre forward, why then is he losing the ball twice as much as silva who play the same role for city? it then means the more hazard dribbles, the more likely he loses the ball.

your fraudulent stats is only showing attempted dribbles - it didn't say how many of those dribbles were successful in the end. the turnover simply shows eden hazard is a liability & this is why silva has outpassed him in the last 2 seasons.

coogar:
OPTA defines turnover as loss of possession due to an error or a poor ball control skill.

coogar:
it's like you dunno elampiro.....
he would tell only half of the story to sway arguments. tell him to post the turnover stats of hazard & silva and let's see who is more likely to keep the ball.

OPTA defines turnover as loss of possession due to an error or a poor ball control skill. this current season, hazard is averaging 1.4 per game of poor ball control - twice as much as silva does. if you look back to the previous seasons, you would understand why jose had to quickly go and buy cesc to avoid another sack by roman.




it's an innate ability......
elampiro would tell you he saw okocha is better than xavi. okocha makes 30 dribbles per game while xavi cannot do more than 2 per game.

mcfarlin:
The guys arguments are very weired its like he picks up spurious lines out of nowhere and defends it.

How will he say hazzard is better than mata cause he holds the ball more.

He also stated that hazzard had more ball passing accuracy than silva in a game where silva saw more of the ball!

mcfarlin:
You still dey mind elampiro.

I just wonder how the guy sleeps at night with all the arguments shrouded in deceit!

I will pick silva over hazard anytime anyday!

Di maria is at least 10% better than pezzard.

Elampiro talks about keeping the ball when there are goals/assists to be made.

coogar:
that's not the point.....
when mata was at chelsea, he won champions league & fa cup even before hazard arrived.

hazard arrived & they both won the europa cup. can you see the gradual decline? then mourinho came and sidelined mata....he later sold mata & made hazard his ace player.

he relied on hazard to deliver the holy grail. after a horrendous performance against athletico where hazard's stupïdity cost chelsea another european final, chelsea won nothing that season - the first time jose would fail to win a trophy in england.

having seen hazard is a bad market, jose quickly went to spain to buy cesc.....

MaziOmenuko:
Ok oh! I guess if we pull up Mikel's stats and he happened to be dispossessed fewer times than Hazard, then we can summarily say that Mikel is better than Hazard abi? No qualms.

Not to mention the fact that even the worse goal-keeper is never dispossessed of the ball, your yardstick for measuring is ideal!

nitrogen:
The way Elampiro reasons is far beyond me, see below one of his posts:



He tried to support his assertion with the above post, imagine, Hazard vs Silva argument o, not Vidal vs Matic or Rafael vs Ivanovic.

Nawa o!

coogar:
the special one won nothing - he had to quickly go & buy fabregas to save his job.

MaziOmenuko:
Unfortunately, I don't depend on the stats to do my analysis. I've watched Silva wreck havoc even without scoring or making an assist; I've seen hazard dance so much and end up frustrating his forwards. Silva is far more effective than Hazard.