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elampiro: More info about Berbatov

2010/2011 season
Berbatov started 6 UCL matches, sub 1.
7 matches in all.

Berbatov scored 0 goal in 7 UCL matches of that season 2010/2r011

Yet Coogar will make us believe he would have scored against top teams of EPL had been played 500 minutes. The minutes he played what did he do? How many minutes does Chicha get to fire in?

Continuation 2010/11

Berbatov started in following matches:
Valencia
Buraspor
Rangers
Valencia
Marseiile
Shalke

Substitute:
Chelsea

Goals = 0

Top/lead striker.
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Berbatov 5 UCL goals in 4 years
2 against Aalborg in a 3-0 win
2 against Celtic in a 3-0 win
1 against Benfica in a 2-2 draw.

Berbatov delivered league? Ukwu!!!

How many points did his goals give to us as compared to Rooney in same season.

Rooney played a far vital role.

coogar: and rooney copped 2,810 mins with 27 goals & 7 league assists that season. rooney's 7 assists simply tell us the story that he was a top striker in 2011/12. we all know what rooney is capable of when he is a 10.....and it's not 7 miserable assists in 2,800 minutes.

Rooney played 10 in 2011/12. It is something I knew without stat. My brother and I always said if only we had a more established prolific striker playing inplace of Welbeck, Chicjha and co. When RVP came we said the problem had been solved.

On the stat. Rooney has had few assists in the past before. You only need to look at Rooney's plenty passes from our own 3rd and half to know what he did. Also you look at Chicha and Welbeck stat. These were our lead strikers that season, plus Berba.

[quote author=tess_1]This is not about hatred for Rooney. I am a United fan and i do not hate any of United's players. How can you be misinforming people and you expect me as a fan not to correct that?

Rooney is a good player, no doubt about that. But the way you overate him is unacceptable. Go back and check your facts very well before you start any argument. Rooney was our top 9 in 2009/10 and 2011/12. That was the reason why he could score those number of goals in those two seasons.

First you said Berba and Chicha were our top 9 in that season. Now, you are saying it's Chicha and Welbeck. Which one are we to take? How many times did Welbeck played as a top 9 under SAF?[/quote]1. Rooney was never a top 9 in 2011/12. You only imagine he couldn't have performed so well from the deep. That is what Rooney gives you. He is so influential.

2. I am even under rating Rooney. He is far better than what I state here. Look at his recent assists from a midfield role. How many number 10 drop so deep and still come up with goals and assists? He also clear from our box from open play.
3. Go back to my posts. My first response to you. I mention Chicha, Welbeck and Berba. I knew this very well.

elampiro: Welbeck had 2018 mins of playing time. 9 goals, 4 assists.
Hernadez had 1476 mins of playing time,10 goals, 2 assists.


Your hatred for Rooney is worse than Lucifer hatred for Mankind. You cook lies just to pull Rooney down. Watch football and not follow stats.

This is for 2011/12.

[quote author=tess_1]Do you even read what you type at all or is it a deliberate act to shift the goal post. Who is talking about 2010/11? Did Rooney even score up to 20 goals in 2010/11? You need to be consistent with what you are typing.[/quote]Take it for 2011/12.

I am multi tasking, dats why.

Welbeck had 2018 mins of playing time. 9 goals, 4 assists.
Hernadez had 1476 mins of playing time,10 goals, 2 assists.


Your hatred for Rooney is worse than Lucifer hatred for Mankind. You cook lies just to pull Rooney down. Watch football and not follow stats.

[quote author=tess_1]That is correct.[/quote]That was totally wrong. Welbeck and Chicha had over 30 games between them.

[quote author=tess_1]You need to go and get your facts right. Rooney scored 27 goals in that season in EPL. In those matches he scored those goals, Berba didn't start those matches with Rooney. Chicha only started 3 matches with him in those games Rooney scored those goals. How can you now be saying he played the No 10 role.

I know you are so obsessed about Rooney but don't cook up what is not right in order to win an argument.[/quote]You want to start an already concluded argument. Present all your facts, later I will respond and clear you.

1. How much playing time did Chicha get in 2010/11.
2. How much playing time did Welbeck get?
3. How many games did Welbeck and Chicha played separately?
4. How many games did Rooney and Chicha play?
5. How many games did Rooney and Welbeck play?

Mind you, Rooney was among the top passers from the midfield. I presented a chat in which it showed Rooney passed many even from our own half, own third.

If he played 9, then he is super human to have been so busy in the midfield. The other players who made that list were attacking midfielders like Nasri, Silva, etc. I don't have the data readily available, I hope to dig it out again later today if necessarily.

coogar: this boy can lie.....
you told us rooney created 82 key passes whereas it was 82% of his key passes. you cannot read statistics & you lost that argument. i remember people begging me then not to beat you any further.



you lost this argument too...i just remembered now. this was when you told us hargo clipped messi's left foot when it was clear as daylight that the duel was evra versus messi. we asked you to show videos or commentary where hargo tackled messi in that game, you resorted to speaking eshan language & you never produced any evidence.




yes, rooney was scarcely involved in the first half of that season. rooney scored his first goal from open play in jan 2011. the goals of chicha & berba took us to the top. you came back with an idiotic claim that rooney's presence took us to the top. i fail to see how the presence of a player who neither created goals nor score goals can take us to the top.



18 blanks out of 32 if we remove penalty kicks. berba did not take any penalty in 10/11 to win a golden boot. why should we count rooney's penalty?




rooney has the worst conversion rate of all the strikers in the EPL. he missed an open net against cardiff. open net against leverkusen, open net against everton after kagawa's cross and plenty of other chances.



berbatov is an expert freekick taker. he was scoring freekicks for spurs ever before rooney perfected his art in it. if he's not allowed to take them, how is he expected to score as many as those who do?



he's the only united player to have scored a hatrick against liverpool. as far as difficult games are concerned, a united match against liverpool is more difficult to win than against arsenal who perennially finish in the top four.

rooney has had 10 seasons against liverpool, where's his hatrick?



rooney was a 9 in 09/10 & 11/12.
every man & his dog know that but elampiro would argue otherwise. in 11/12 season, berbatov had 5 starts or so.

1. Whether 82% or whatever, Rooney was among the top 10 creators in the opta chart. Berba and co were not even on the list. So how did you win the argument? He Hagreaves argument was about his role in our UCL success in 2007/2008. All other things were accessories. Everything revolved around having a 'hatchet man' in the team. I pointed to you Hagreaves role throughout the campaign.

2. In 2010/11 argument. Hahahaha how funny you want to shift goal post again.

Infact in all remaining argument you are now only struggling. No need sef.

[quote author=tess_1]That is not correct. Rooney played as the top 9 in 2011/12 and not as number 10.[/quote]No. He played 10.

We had this argument recently. Chicha, Welbeck and Berba played 9.

coogar: hahahaha - there are numerous arguments you have lost. the one that included you seeing roy keane in the champions league final of 99 & your inability to read rooney's statistics of open play/set play percentages.




rooney is a natural 9.....he's effective as a 9 just like he is as a 10. blank in 14 matches....blank in 18 matches if you discount penalties he scored that season.



who cares about who won the penalties? rooney who regularly misses an empty net wouldn't have scored from those penalties. he's missed loads of penalties with only a keeper to beat so how are you so sure he would have scored if he wasn't fouled?



in 09/10, rooney was the arrowhead in all the games. berbatov was the 10 creating goals & feeding valencia with through balls to cross the ball into rooney's path.



you must be blind!
you referenced rooney's 26 goals in 11/12, i said rooney scored 6 league penalties in 11/12. how you concluded i meant 09/10 must be alluded to your lack of vitamins A. you need yeast in your food.




128/540 is plenty of time? 23% match involvement against top teams is plenty of time? elampiro, are you sure you went to school? so 23% = plenty in your dictionary?

1. There was no such argument as open pay and se play percentage. The argument was about Rooney's goals, assists and chances created vs RVP, Berba, Welbeck and Chicha. And I won it hands down. That chart about percentage was that showing that Rooney was among the top creators. The error on percentage had nothing to do with the facts of the argument.
The other argument was on what role Owen had to play. Owen was to help in defensive duties from his right midfield role in the UCL final. He didn't play as an out and out winger as Ronaldo did on the left. When Owen went back, Rooney dropped to the right of the midfield as Owen help our the centre midfield and right back. Then Owen went to the central midfield completely in the extra time. I saw this match again 2 days ago.

Recently you said Berba and Chicha played the major role to 2010/11 season. You claimed Rooney was scarcely involved because he went to America. I proved with facts to you that Rooney was even more involved despite returning late from injury. I proved to you that we went to the top of the league when Rooney returned and had a run of games. I proved so much. You can go a few pages back.

2. Rooney black in 14 matches in about 32 start? Great record!!!

3. Rooney regularly miss from open net? Rooney is the most likely player to score from a tap in position. This season, RVP with fewer matches has missed two tap ins, one from almost the goal line. Even the great two alien miss tap in.

4. In 2009/10 Rooney 26 league goals. 6 penalties. He won some of them.
2011/2012 Rooney 27 league goals. 5 penalties. That's 22 clean league goals. I expect someone to look for a freekick to deduct. Only legends score free kicks frequently.

5. 23% 0 league goal against top 4 teams. How many % of playing time against top 4 team did it ake Owen to score a goal? You are dodging and struggling.

coogar: you have never won an argument in this section. false information & fact distortion is your modus operandi.



rooney is a natural 9, played as a natural 9 throughout that season. he was the arrowhead throughout the season & he fired blanks in 14 league games. if he wasn't the penalty taker, he would have fired blanks in 18 league games.



even this season, rooney played as an arrow head in many of the games. rooney scored about 6 penalties in the league that season. 26-6 is 20 goals. if we subtract direct freekicks(2 against arsenal, 1 against west ham) then the number is even lower than 17.

so what's the biggie?



it's not some playing time....
berba was on the bench against arsenal at old trafford & he got only 16 mins at the emirates.

berba got only 22 mins against chelsea at stamford bridge & was on the bench against them at old trafford.

berba got 76 mins against city at the etihad and only 23 mins at old trafford. he doesn't take penalties or freekicks, how's he expected to score from 1 start in 6 big games?

1. Coogar, I have never lost an argument with you. Never!

2. Rooney is a natural number 10. That's what the world knows him for. Rooney fired blank in only 14 matches out of may be 32. Massive record.

3. Even In 2009/10 Rooney won penalties. So stop talking about penalties. They have to be won and scored.

4. How many league matches has Rooney played as arrow head this season? I know he has played as arrow head vs Leverkusen, and may be one or two league games. In 2011/12, did he play as the arrow head in all the matches?
5. Did you just say Rooney scored 6 league penalties in 2009/10. I need to check that out now.
6. Berba got this plenty of time? But how much time did Owen get to have scored?

coogar: liar liar, pants on fire....
berba started only one game out of 6 games against top four clubs that season. in raw stats, he played only 128 mins out of 540 available.




0 goals against man city
0 goals against arsenal
0 goals against chelsea

hell, 0 goals against a very weak man utd team in the carling cup. big match player indeed & yet 16 of his 19 goals are against teams in the bottom 7.

So 128mins out of 540 is not some playing time? Ukwu!!!

So how much playing time did Owen get to score a winning goals against Man City? I guess 540 mins. Lol

Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagayo

coogar: you know elampiro has lost an argument when he brings up UCL stats to defend berbatov's golden boot in 10/11. the league is our main concern, not cup competitions.



at 29 yrs old, berbatov won a golden boot!



rooney/RVP has never fired in the UCL. none of them has won a golden boot in the champions league. rooney is an english player - his transfer fee gets cooked up naturally



it depends on how much years they have left on their current contract. if rooney runs down his contract, he would leave for £0, same as RVP. as old as you are, you don't even know how transfer fee works.



the only earthquake here is rooney(minus penalties) was blank in 18 league games in 2009/10 when he was the lead striker at man utd. that's a crying shame!!!!!

Me lost this argument? Ukwu!!!

Have I ever lost any argument with you?
Anyway, only one last direct response to you. Rooney won some penalties in 2009/10. If he wasn't fouled he should have scored. So he should still be above 20 goals. Mind you, Rooney is not a natural 9. And the man knows how to spread his goals. Rooney did not just stop at those goals, he scored a good number in the UCL and others.

Then in 2011/12 Rooney scored 26 (not confirmed actual figure) league goals from the number 10 position. Remove his penalties, you will end up with about 22-23 league goals. Then he scored some in Europe, etc.

RuuDie: Is that the basis for determing if a striker will score against top teams!? You choose to assume he wouldn't score if fielded, we choose to assume he would score if fielded - 50/50, goalless draw. Now contrast that to a certain Luis Suarez who gets fielded all the time, whether against top or small team, but only chooses to come to the party when a Rudy, Hennessey or Hilario is in the opposition goal!

Berbatov got some playing time against the top 4 on 2010/11 what did he do? When Man United went to Europa what did he do? But Suarez has great goals in Europa.

Suarez is a big match player. Berba is just a small match shinner.

Berbatov 2starts FA cup matches in 2010/2011, 0 goals.

Who will entrust him with crucial matches?
Berba FA cup record for Man United.
Start 5, sub 2. Goals 1.

Carling cup
Start 5, sub 0. Goals 1.

Berbatov (a lead striker) local cup matches overall. Started 10, substituted 2. ........ Goals 2.




Is with with 2 goals we can win local cups?

^^^
He was 29 years old when he couldn't score a single goal.

How old is RVP, Rooney firing heavily in the UCL? Rooney transfer price at 18 we know. Berba at 18..... Ekwe sample.

What will be Rooney's and RVP transfer price at the end of this year? £4m?





I have delivered a super volcano and a 9 point earthqauke.

More info about Berbatov

2010/2011 season
Berbatov started 6 UCL matches, sub 1.
7 matches in all.

Berbatov scored 0 goal in 7 UCL matches of that season 2010/2r011

Yet Coogar will make us believe he would have scored against top teams of EPL had been played 500 minutes. The minutes he played what did he do? How many minutes does Chicha get to fire in?

coogar: berbatov started only 24 league games that season & he scored in 11 of them. this is a player who didn't score a single penalty kick or a freekick that season. these are the areas aguero, rooney, RVP, suarez get to add extra to their goal stats.

if berba was our chief penalty taker in 10/11, you can bet he would have scored in about 18-20 games that season. rooney or RVP or aguero/soldado can have a terrible game & get the opportunity to score from a penalty, berbatov didn't have such luxury.

Dademola wrote "Bebra did not score in considerable number of games he played in...."

Then Coogar came up with the lies above suggesting Beba could have scored in 9 more games he played in had he taken penalties.



Clever liar. Chronic liar.

Goodnight all.

coogar: blackburn, west ham(twice) rangers & he missed against arsenal.



berbatov scored 21 league goals that season. with his perfect hit rate from the pen spot, he would have scored all the kicks we had that season. he's not missed yet for fulham & he has had about a dozen for them in all competitions.



no striker has spent 10 years in a top club like rooney has done. ruud, cole/yorke, drogba, torres, etc are nowhere near 10 years so the statistics is meaningless.



.........but with no golden boot to show for it. ruud won 3 of those boots for united, same as cristiano. rooney is top but nothing to show for it. rooney epitomises abject failure!




you are a baboon!
i said had berba been our penalty taker with the same number of league appearances as rooney, he would have scored in more games. he started in 24 league games & was able to score in 11 of those games. if he had scored 5 penalties(fulham, blackburn, west ham, west ham, arsenal) that would be 16. if he had appeared in as many games as rooney(28 starts) that should have taken him to 18-20 games like i claimed.



you are a fool....
i am typing from a phone & it has not stopped me from replying all your stüpid claims & lies. see how you froze when it was pointed to you rooney failed to find the net in 14 league games in 09/10.

berba scored against 11 teams from only 24 starts. if he had taken 5 penalties, that would be him scoring in 16 different games. if he then had as many starts as rooney(28 starts), he would have at least scored 2-4 goals in those 4 extra starts which takes him to scoring against 18-20 teams

1. Is Rangers an EPL team? Stop these lies.

2. You are yet to answer how scoring in 11 EPL games should have amounted to 20 EPL games. Ayagayagayagayo. Probably one of those 3 penalties was in one of the 11 matches he already scored. I haven't those data link on my phone. Tomorrow you go hear am.

3. Torres, Drogba, Lampard, Cole, Yorke, Heskey, etc have all spent so much time in EPL. Let's see their average per season even if its 8 seasons. Rooney is king to have outlived many forwards in a massive club as Man United.

4. Rooney has won Premier League player of the year. He has won many titles. Nisterooy has no UCL. He was shipped out for being an Hyena. Golden book is rubbish.

5. Berba scored only in 11 matches, get it. Berba had a high playing time on the minutes. For get those shameful excuse you are trying to use to cover your lies from the pit of hell.

6. Berba was blank in 13 out of 24 starts. Shameful. Big man stating only 24 times out of 38. Rooney went to America and return to have more time.

Berbaove, a £4m striker. 5 UCL goals in 4 years. Only prolific against bottom 6 teams. He had many games against upper teams but was clueless.

Visit page 456 of this thread for more info.

coogar: rooney had 5 pens in total....one in the UCL against rangers(rooney's first goal that season). one against blackburn, 2 against west ham at upton park & 1 at old trafford & rooney missed a pen against arsenal at old trafford after JS park gave us the lead.

berba's miss didn't cost us against everton - only soccer illiterate united fans run with this lie. tim cahill took the first pen for everton & missed, berba took his own & missed too. as at the time berba missed, the score was 0-0.

no one remembers rio's miss cost us that tie. if everton could recover from cahill's miss, why didn't united recover from berba's miss. you people should shut up about that miss already & stop looking for a scapegoat in a game we failed to win over 120 mins.

You are a big liar. Stop telling lies and cooking up figures to try and win argument.

So Rangers is one of those teams that should have helped Berba to score in 20 EPL matches?

You have to prove to us how Berba would have scored against 20 EPL matches from 11.



You are even lucky I am on my phone, I would have punctured many things you exaggerated. I burst your balloon.

coogar: it seems statistics confuse you - rooney had 5 penalties that season in 4 different games. that has already condemned rooney to the pits.



i said he has about 20......he scored one against spurs this season. he has about 17 before this season. let's even assume he's got only 10, that's 14 league goals per season - hardly a world class material.



ronaldo & messi are not top 9......i don't see barca/madrid fans trumping out excuses for them. rooney earns the same wages as these guys & yet his contribution is zero in comparison to them.



this is an irrelevant statistic - a team has to play in those KO stages before they can even be reckoned with. rooney's united has played mostly in those games than his peers & he's been doing it for 10 years - logic dictates he should have more....

1. Rooney 5 penalties? List them.

2. Man United scored only 3 penalties against West Ham and Blackburn, how does this help Berba to goals in 20 matches?

3. 14 league goal per season? Which EPL player has been so consistent since history of EPL. Perhaps only Henry, a top 9. EPL is not Ligue 1 or a moimoi league. Ronaldo and Messi are playing against Shyte opponents 90% of the time in Laliga.

4. In the UCL where legends are known, Rooney is top there.

1. Nani missed on 87min in a 2-2 draw with Fulham.

2. Rooney scored against Blackburn 1-1 draw, West Ham 3-0 and West Ham 4-2.

3. Rooney missed against arsenal in a 1-0 win.

My record states 5 EPL penalties. 3 scored.

coogar: why won't i bring rooney in the mix? rooney was an arrowhead in 09/10. he failed to find the net in 14 league games & yet he was the chief penalty taker. he got 5 awoof goals via penalty that season. in 11/12, rooney bagged a hatrick of setpieces against arsenal in the 8-2 win. those are the extra advantages he gets to rack up his stats.

they said rooney has scored 150 league goals for man utd but this is his 10th season. it means rooney scores about 15 league goals per season on average. if we remove around 20 league penalties from that haul, rooney's average is about 13....so why is he world class & a golden boot winner isn't?



berba has a near-perfect penalty hit-rate. how many penalties did united take in 10/11. take one out of it & add to his goal-haul that season & you will get his projected total haul of goals if he was a setpiece taker.

as at april 2013, this was the penalty stats....berba had scored 6 in 6 for fulham as at then.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/04/19/article-2311613-1962B63A000005DC-870_634x490.jpg

How many penalty did United have in 2010/11. Against which teams? How many were scored? Berba missed against Everton and sent us out of Carling cup.

coogar: why won't i bring rooney in the mix? rooney was an arrowhead in 09/10. he failed to find the net in 14 league games & yet he was the chief penalty taker. he got 5 awoof goals via penalty that season. in 11/12, rooney bagged a hatrick of setpieces against arsenal in the 8-2 win. those are the extra advantages he gets to rack up his stats.

they said rooney has scored 150 league goals for man utd & this is his 10th season. it means rooney scores about 15 league goals per season on average. if we remove around 20 league penalties from that haul, rooney's average is about 13....so why is he world class & a golden boot winner isn't?

1. What is the ratio of maches Rooney scored in 2009/10 in the total matches he started? Then what is Berba's ratio? Or even percentage?

2. How do you mean Rooney has 20 EPL penalties?

3. Even if Rooney has 150 league goals over many seasons. He is a number 10. We have Drogbna, Torres, etc who are top 9. How many goals have they scored over several seasons?

4. Rooney currently has the best UCL stat in knockout stages among all EPL players. I guess one of the best three in Europe. Only great men have this.

I want to sleep already, then I can see plenty holes in Coogar's arguments. Just trying to win argument.

coogar: if berba was our chief penalty taker in 10/11, you can bet he would have scored in about 18-20 games that season.

Coogar this is a big lie.

coogar: his presence does nothing.....the only reason a striker is on the pitch is to create or assist goals. what stüpid presence? if it's that easy, why play 11 players on the pitch? rooney alone should be able to beat teams 4-0.



show us this data of yours - stop lying!!!
you deliberately lied to cook up some dodgy stats thinking others won't pay attention. whenever rooney is concerned, i find it hard to believe you write in error. if we were discussing another player, i wouldn't have been bothered.



that's a lie from the pits of hell.....
injury or no injury, rooney had nothing on drogba that season. that was the season chelsea scored 100+ league goals. since that time, logic suggests rooney should have at least won a golden boot in his 10 seasons at old trafford. why hasn't he? was he always injured at the end of every season??

All I see is hate for Rooney.

Rooney is not a top 9. Rooney should be compared to the likes of Ozil in goals 'cos they are boh 10. Or players like Iniester. These are players which influence games. In the las 5 seasons of Drogba in EPL, Rooney a number 10 beat Drogba a number 9 in total goals.

In terms of giving you my link, I won't. Since you are shouting lies, lies. I leave it there. But he link opened my eyes to the fact that Rooney was far ahead of Drogba before the injury.

Winning golden boot doesn't make someone a great player. If Rooney were to seek personal honours this season, we would be in the bottom half of the table. His withdrawn role is helping us in the struggle we find ourselves.

dayokanu: Did that stop everyone and their momma from shitting on Toures head in Europe?

Bayern, Dortmund, Ajax, madrid Sporting Lisbon, napoli all took turns on Yaya in 2 seasons of European football yet you want us to believe he is so great

Same way Pirlo has suffered loses. Juventus is far a greater club in Europe than City.

coogar: i only show source when it's strongly disputed.



it was a deliberate error. you aren't blind - you know a season ends in may, not in march so this was a deliberate attempt to lie to us about rooney's stats.



all these stories are irrelevant - drogba had a better goal/min stats than rooney in 09/10. whether rooney fell from a skyscraper or dislocated a knee while shaggïng a grandma is a còck & bull story.



silly excuses....
united beat spurs 3-1 while rooney was injured that season. rooney later played 3 more league games that season & he failed to register an assist or a goal. matter of fact, he didn't score any goal from open play until the new year of 2011.

How come about 2011? Also, note that Rooney doesn't have to score before his presence can influence the outcome of games. We see that this season. That is the sort of player he is. I used o tell people Amokachie was not an out and ou scorer, but the heat he will cause will cause opponents to crack.

On the data, I wasn't looking at details as such so I missed that it was at of March. I only jumped to where Drogba, Rooney and Torres were given head to head comparison. If I were at home, I would do the computation myself from my usual sources instead of relying on already computed data.

The facts remain that without Rooney's injury, Drogba had no chance of overtaking Rooney in the score chart, then United should have won the league. Remember, Drogba offside goal was all the difference that season.

coogar: elampiro even lied about rooney's stats in 09/10. he told us rooney had 96min/goal but the lie detector sounded an alarm that mr rooney lover was telling another lie.



what is my source? lololololol
why not show us your own source that told you rooney had 95mins/goal & drogba had 105 mins/goal in 09/10 season? you think you can come here & lie bold-faced to score cheap points?

You never show source, never.

Well, you should know the difference between an error and deliberate error. My source was giving analysis as of March 2010, which excluded stat of both Rooney and Drogba as at when Rooney started struggling with injury and was being managed. 'Cos I was busy, I didn't check to see it was a conditional analysis as I was also glad Rooney sat was better.

I just checked again and I saw it was in exclusion of matches that. Came after the injury. Rooney was on 26 and Drogba on 22, then Drogba scored an offside goal at Old Trafford, and the realization Rooney was injured gave Drogba and Chelsea the advantage over Rooney and United.

In Rooney's absence we lost to Chelsea at Old Trafford, drew shamelessly to Blackburn, then we lost the league by 1 point.