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coogar: rooney through on goal? when has that ever happened? he's too overweight to be through on goal. remove his penalties and count how many goals he scored from open play.....

coogar: that a striker won a penalty does not mean he was in a position to score a goal. all the penalties ashley young won that season wasn't from a scoring position. he was attempting to cross the ball when he was brought down.

the best way to judge their output is to remove all the goals scored from penalties......



you are really grasping at straws here....
when sagna brought down van persie at the emirates last season, would van persie have scored from that acute angle? van persie was trying to cross the ball - and sagna caught his foot.

coogar: that a striker won a penalty does not mean he was in a position to score a goal. all the penalties ashley young won that season wasn't from a scoring position. he was attempting to cross the ball when he was brought down.

the best way to judge their output is to remove all the goals scored from penalties......

coogar: 6 penalties in one league season is huge for any striker to boost his tally. it tends to skew the stats that he's irreplaceable. lets assume for a second berbatov or chicharito were the ones tasked to take 7 penalties in the league, how many league goals would they have scored that season?



there's no guarantee he would have scored from open play if he wasn't brought down. whether he won the penalty or not is irrelevant. the fairest way to judge it is to remove all goals scored from penalties from both players.

berbatov scored 21 open play goals in less minutes.... rooney scored 21 open goals in more minutes.

coogar: 6 penalties in one league season is huge for any striker to boost his tally. it tends to skew the stats that he's irreplaceable. lets assume for a second berbatov or chicharito were the ones tasked to take 7 penalties in the league, how many league goals would they have scored that season?

coogar: rooney took a total of 12 penalties in 2011/12 season. he scored 10 of those including 7 in the premier league. if you remove that from his goal tally in the league, then he's ordinary. berbatov scored 21 league goals without a single penalty in 2010/11 season.



goals are not discarded but when you are comparing strikers based on output, it's important you look beneath the surface to see how these goals are scored. rooney scored 7 league penalties in 10/11. if berbatov had any opportunity to score from the penalty spot on 12 different occasions, he would score 11 times.



lazy berbatov delivered a league title on a plate with a golden boot when he was called to step to the plate as the arrowhead. rooney is yet to achieve that feat......

coogar: as long as you come prepared with facts, no wahala!!



weak argument - so goals created by midfielders or defenders should not count? as long as goals are created and scored, what his fellow strikers create is largely irrelevant. rooney was a lone striker in most of these games and the number of minutes his fellow strikers copped is also a huge factor!



rooney scored about 10 goals from penalties that season - he had a very weak output overall. RVP wasn't even our striker in 11/12 season. why are you distorting the facts again? berbatov outperformed rooney in 11/12 season by a large distance.



united had valencia, nani, park, giggs, owen, berbatov, etc. that's more than enough support. RVP didn't have that quality of service in 2011/12 at arsenal and he played 38/38 league games and scored tonnes of goals.

wayne rooney is unreliable....RVP at 29 years of age completed 38 league games last season. rooney has never played 36 league games for us since he joined. world class players rarely miss games that matter. what does this tell you? rooney is not dependable!



there lies my argument....
this is where the likes of cantona, ruud, ronaldo, messi, RVP are a tier ahead of rooney. scoring tonnes of goals in meaningless games is good but the ability to pull a moment of magic in tight-games separates the world class talents from mediocre players like rooney.

a player like ronaldo in the wigan game or the city game would have produced something magical.... rooney scored 2 goals at the etihad last season in the league but van persie's late minute goal was the killer. that's what world class players do. van persie was the hero, rooney's excellent performance got overshadowed.



how many minutes did he get to play? scoring 12 and assisting 10 took him how many minutes?



this is the weakest argument i have ever read in my life. rooney is a set-piece taker. 80% of his assists are from corner-kicks or miscued free kicks that another player scored brilliantly. i have never ever seen hernandez, berbatov or chicharito take any set-piece for man utd. assists are now divided into SP or OP.(set play/open play)



another weak argument - a goal has to be scored before the pass leading to the goal can be called an assist. in a nutshell, rooney's strikers might have supplied 400 brilliant passes that should have been scored but the man in position to score totally miscued his effort.....

assists are not the best judge to measure ability, key passes are....



yet again, this statistic is irrelevant - rooney takes free kicks, penalties, corner-kicks. his fellow strikers do not. assists generated from set-play would skew rooney's stats.



how many games did berbatov play that season? how many minutes? how many set-pieces. who compares a set-piece taker to a non set-piece taker? biko, your arguments have no structure.....united scored plenty of goals in that season to win the title but when it mattered the most, rooney got injured and united lost the initiative....

yet again, rooney has proven to be very unreliable.....

coogar: united scored 89 league goals in 2011/12. how's rooney the only tree when he didn't even score 33% of the league goals?

coogar: all rooney had to do in 2011/12 was to score against wigan at JJB stadium and win us the game, he failed. in 2009/10, all rooney had to do was stay fit throughout the season, and he failed. good players don't get injured in the title-race, rooney is very unreliable!

coogar: why didn't rooney score at the etihad in 2011/12? even a draw that night would have won us the title. we had lost against wigan already. the manchester derby was a game we couldn't afford to lose - players like berbatov, RVP, ronaldo, cantona, etc would have made the difference but the fat scouser stunk up the whole joint and we lost 6 points in 2 games.

coded guy: So we won the community shield without Rooney playing. How did that happen?

coogar: this explanation is a big lie....
valencia/nani/giggs had a combined league assist of 67 in those 2 seasons combined. how much support is needed to land a league title?

rooney is a hot pile of shyte - he is not a leader of men!

coogar: he did not win the golden boot - the key is to beat the other strikers in the league, berbatov and van persie beat their peers, rooney did not!



this statistic is irrelevant - concentrate on 09/10 and 11/12.



also irrelevant! we are focusing on the seasons rooney was the lead striker...



this is irrelevant - berbatov scored 21 league goals and won the league. the key is knowing when to score those goals - not just scoring for the fun of it. rooney can score hatrick in back to back games against hapless teams but when it comes to those title-deciders, rooney goes missing!




he doesn't get support as a lead striker and yet scored 34 goals each in 09/10 and 11/12? who scores 34 goals in a season and complain of weak support? you don't know how to argue - RVP/berbatov did not need that many goals to win the golden boot and land the league titles....

Purist: The way this Elampiro misspells the names of players is criminal.

coogar: stop twisting the facts...
when RVP led the attack, he won the golden boot and united won the league. when berbatov led the attack, we won the title and he won the golden boot.

when rooney led the attack(09/10 and 11/12), we won no league titles and he failed to land the golden boot on 2 occasions! this tells it's own story that rooney is an overfed piece of garbage!

montelik: Why can't our wingers stay fit. Even Zaha has caught the bug.

coogar: says who?
the previous season when rooney wanted out, did berbatov/hernandez not deliver the title? did berbatov not win the golden boot?

in the 2 seasons rooney has been given the chance to play as the arrowhead, we lost the league tile - 09/10 and 11/12. fergie wasn't stüpid when he brought in RVP!!!

rooney should be sold.....

hoochay: just woke up frm my bed,plz is roney praying dix match?

coogar: anderson is the flair....
remove giggs, bring on anderson...



no thanks to the overweight rooney who couldn't do anything to stop defeat in 2 consecutive games - wigan & man city. if we had van persie in those 2 games, we would have gotten at least 4 points in those 2 games.

Fabville: You talk as if Rooney is all in all at Man Utd. As if he is to Man Utd what Messi is to Barcelona. Let's check on what history has told us about Rooney at Man Utd in respect of the bold.

History has it that Rooney have spent nine years at Man Utd and out of these nine years he has won the English Premier League title with the club five times with the assistance of QUALITY PLAYERS.
Rooney have never single-handedly won the title for Man Utd. Let's analyze Rooney's contribution season by season since he came to Man Utd.
YEARS MAN UTD TOP SCORER(S) TEAM POSITION
2004/2005 Wayne Rooney (11 gls) Third

2005/2006 Ruud Van Nistelroy (21 gls) Second
Wayne Rooney (16 gls)

2006/2007 Cristiano Ronaldo (17 gls) Winner
Wanyne Rooney (14 gls)

2007/2008 Cristiano Ronaldo (31 gls) Winner
Carlos Tevez (14 gls)

2008/2009 Cristiano Ronaldo (18 gls) Winner
Wayne Rooney (12 gls)

2009/2010 Wayne Rooney (26 gls) Second

2010/2011 Dimitar Berbatov (20 gls) Winner
Javier Hernandez (13 gls)
Wayne Rooney (11 gls)

2011/2012 Wayne Rooney (27 gls) Second

2012/2013 Robin Van Persie (26 gls) Winner
Wayne Rooney (12 gls)

What does all these show to us?
It has been able to show us that your Rooney who you said could make the difference with players such as Januzaz, Zaha, Lingaard could not make the difference better players when he was given the opportunity in 2009/2010 and 2011/2012 to lead Man utd to glory.

After Ronaldo and Tevez's exit in 2009, Rooney was given the opportunity to lead the line and he was Man Utd's highest goal scorer with 26 goals without winning the EPL.

It took SAF to promote Berbatov to lead the line and also bring in Hernandez for Man Utd to win the EPL back in 2010/2011.

He was also given the opportunity again in 2011/2012 to lead the same men RVP lead to glory in 2012/2013. His 27 goals could not win Man Utd the EPL and the most painful thing was losing the league by goals difference until RVP came in 2012/2013 to help win it back.

We can all see now that @elampiro's Rooney all along these years has been a Spare tyre just as @Coogar have always said. There is nothing so special about him as you have said. Rooney cannot single-handedly win the EPL for us. He is not in the category of Messi or CR7. We know he's a good contributor but he's not the type of player who can determine the faith of a team.

coogar: wigan are lucky nani and young didn't travel for this game. it should have been 4-0 by now. our creativity is on the flanks and we have not really punished wigan and zaha is not ready yet. all those over-elaborate skills belong to the playground....

afrodoc: bros I have been a United fan for 20 years and a diehard one at that when I was a teenager (results dey affect me for secondary school and Uni days). My assertion remains that in that time we have lost more influential and more talented players than Rooney and the success has continued. whats more if a player wants to leave LET HIM GO! even u rooney's PA said u were angry with all d silence and suspense from his camp. no b by force to play for United, if he is not happy being paid the kind of money he is getting while winning countless trophies sell him

chrisley024: Must this old man be on every United line-up?
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