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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:58am On Aug 09, 2013

Robin Van Persie, has sent out a vote of confidence to new manager David ‪#‎Moyes‬ by claiming the club are still as strong without Sir Alex Ferguson.

“Sir Alex is a huge presence, but already the new manager has come in and impressed everybody greatly. There’s a new coaching set-up but the attitude of the players remains identical,

“I know he is a good manager who did an excellent job at Everton. His teams were always mentally strong and united, which is hard to play against. Now we can see his abilities and positive approach in training. I can say already that I’m going to enjoy working with him.” (Source: fanatix.com, The Express)

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:36am On Aug 09, 2013

"We are far away so we are not in England to know every detail but we are doing things in the correct way," Mourinho told reporters in America.
"We made the bid and Manchester United have reacted. Let's see what happens. But we can't do more than we are doing now.
"We are doing things legally, making the official bid directly to the club, no interviews or comments or direct relations with the player, no contact, absolutely nothing.
"We are doing everything in an ethical way, so let's see if things change," added Mourinho, who was fined by the Premier League in 2005 for tapping up Ashley Cole prior to the defender's transfer from Arsenal during his first stint in charge of the Blues.
Mourinho also said he had no interest in selling Brazilian defender David Luiz to Barcelona and was happy to be patient over Rooney, with Chelsea already boasting a strikeforce of Fernando Torres, Romelu Lukaku and Demba Ba.

"There is no time limit," Mourinho said. "We have our squad of strikers. We have identified the player as one we would like to have with us. We have done it in an ethical way and we are going to do that until the last day."

ENGLAND FOCUS

...... Despite training with United's reserves to improve his fitness, Rooney was selected by England manager Roy Hodgson on Thursday for next week's friendly against Scotland.
Rooney will join Chelsea players Cole, Gary Cahill and Frank Lampard in the England squad but Hodgson told reporters on Thursday that he would instruct his players not to discuss club matters once they assembled on Sunday.
"I do accept a duty of care," he said.
"We're not naive. Ashley Cole and Wayne are quite close friends. David Moyes must know that as well. If they weren't speaking in a hotel, they would be speaking on the telephone."
"I will try to make it clear to everybody, the Chelsea players and the Manchester United players and anyone else for that matter, that this is England.
"As far as we're concerned, you can speak as much as you like to each other now but during these two or three days this is England, this is England against Scotland and, even more importantly, the matches beyond Scotland."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer-chelsea-still-chasing-rooney-says-mourinho-093644678.html

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:36am On Aug 09, 2013

Duplicated.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:41am On Aug 09, 2013

Everton: Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines are not for sale
Mike Prindiville Aug 8, 2013, 2:58 PM EDT

The Guardian is reporting that Everton will reject any formal bid from Manchester United for Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines.

The position has been made in response to reports that United’s manager, David Moyes, is weighing up a joint offer in the range $46.7 million (£30m) for the pair.

Moyes already had a $18.7 million (£12m) bid for Baines turned down by the Toffees this past June but appears intent on pushing forward with acquiring the 28 year old to compete with Patrice Evra for starting spot at left-back. Moyes has yet to launch a bid for Fellaini, whose $35.8 million (£23m) release clause expired on July 31st.

Question marks surround both targets.

As to Baines, the England international would appear to be surplus goods in the midst of Evra, not to mention his 24 year old protégé, Alexander Büttner.

As to Fellaini, some feel the hulking Belgian would not satisfy United’s need for a creative, playmaking midfielder to compliment Michael Carrick. There is no doubt that Fellaini can drive a team to victory but his game is quite different from United’s previous targets, Thiago Alcantara and Cesc Fabregas.

Being a club with thin financial reserves, Everton looks a plump target for any minted teams looking to buy players. But the Toffees fighting stance against selling either of their top assets suggests that sometimes things aren’t how they appear.

One interpretation of Everton’s stance is that the club is preparing themselves to embark on yet another long-shot run at qualifying for Europe. It’s a position that has their fans rubbing their bellies.

A somewhat less ambitious explanation is that the Toffees are appalled by Moyes’ gall at having submitted a $18.7 million (£12m) bid for Baines after the Scot himself rejected United’s $28 million (£18m) approach for the player just last summer.

At the very least, Everton’s stand makes one thing clear – it’s going to cost a pretty penny if Moyes is to pry Fellaini and/or Baines away from Goodison Park.
http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/08/everton-marouane-fellaini-and-leighton-baines-are-not-for-sale/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:06am On Aug 09, 2013

dademola: u're funny oo. U were d same person talking about rooney not being happy cos he was sidelined and played outta position. U're now talking about him wanting to leave cos we havnt fortified d team!! Hehehehehe!! If ts true,( who cares anyways??) den he must be d biggest i.diot to hav ever transversed this earth!! Who does he think he is?? Wetin e don achieve for his career?? ... And u're still supporting him here?? I'm sure u'd start supporting chelsea very soon, if rooney goes der. Again elampiro.. this one is important oo; after d exit of rooney, and perhaps utd are having a bad run or not playing well, PLS AND PLS.. DNT MENTION ROONEY HERE OO!!

Na wetin dey pepper your body like this? Rooney take your wife?

After all these are just rumours and speculations. Even Michael Owen had his own version of the saga yesterday. As for me I am worried o. Our poorest preseason since 1992, yet no one has arrived.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:37am On Aug 09, 2013*

dademola: this is d best news so far, as per d rooney saga. I'd even like him to remain with d reserves till january, den loaned out to norwich or west ham. By d time he is to be sold, his wage demands will hv even reduced by half......

You and I know that is impossible. Players will blacklist Man United. United has a brand/image to protect.

However, what I meant above is that the situation in the team is getting demoralizing for players and fans. SAF left, Cesc deal failed and Rooney might depart. Except there is good news, there might not be enough motivation to drive the players through, particularly should we stumble in our early games.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:26am On Aug 09, 2013

dademola: statements like this only prove u support rooney and not man utd.. Or at best, u started following man utd cos of rooney

Wrong.

It's what I read somewhere and it could just be true given the sudden change of events when Fab deal failed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Catholic Cardinal Says Adam And Eve Didn’t Exist by elampiro(m): 11:56pm On Aug 08, 2013

I can guess this is a joke.

These people are about to kill religion. New World Order.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:24pm On Aug 08, 2013

The situation is degenerating and getting risky. Motivation is low.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:52pm On Aug 08, 2013

The only ground Rooney will force his way out is if the team is not fortified. Perhaps he wants a United that can dominate opponents, and not the other way round.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:20pm On Aug 08, 2013

In response to Cesc Fabregas public statement, a spokesperson for Manchester United has released one from the club.

“We appreciate Cesc is a contracted player at Barcelona, and completely respect everything Cesc has said today" (Source: hepeoplesperson.com)

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:51pm On Aug 08, 2013

@Coogar, I am done with that topic.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:07pm On Aug 08, 2013

Fabregas: "My dream has always been to play at Barca and nothing has changed. I'm very, very happy here and I never thought about leaving.

"It's an honour United made 2 bids, but there have been no talks. I didn't talk with any club since I joined Barca 2 years ago."

Source: Man United fans facebook page. Not the official site.
usually a credible source too.
.......................................................................

What!!! What a slap! So United did not talk to Fabregas and Moyes was so sure he would get him?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:47pm On Aug 08, 2013

Image Rights Explained

1-0 to Players as Rooney Invokes Restraint of Trade Doctrine

‘Image Rights’ are the proprietary rights that an individual has in his or her image, and the other unique characteristics associated with their personality (such as their signature).

In a world of visual media saturation, these rights have a huge financial value to certain individuals who inhabit the media spotlight almost continuously, and they are lucratively used by sportspersons, singers, actors, celebrities, and politicians. Few professions understand the financial value of exploiting such rights as well as professional footballers, however, and few among them as well as the giants of the Premier League – David Beckham, Michael Owen, and Wayne Rooney.

There are a number of ways that image rights can be used to generate revenue, from being assigned as part of complex tax planning vehicles such as ‘Image Rights Companies’, to being promoted under agency or representation agreements, where a third party collects a commission every time their successful promotion or management of an individual’s image rights results in a new opportunity for endorsement, publicity, sponsorship, or licensing for that individual.

A recent case brought against Wayne Rooney by his former management company, Proactive Sports Management, provides an insight into both the commercial influence that agents and management companies have over sports personalities, and the extent to which the courts now view the contracting of image rights as part of professional sportsperson’s everyday professional life.

At the age of 17, Rooney assigned his image rights to an image rights company, which in turn entered into an eight year, exclusive contract with Proactive Sports Management under which they would collect 20% commission on every new promotional venture they set up.

In what is widely hailed as a victory for individual sportspersons against the pervasive power of agents and managers, five years into the contract Rooney successfully argued that the duration and exclusive nature of his agreement with Proactive was a restraint of trade.

Whilst the court accepted Proactive’s argument that Rooney’s image rights were ancillary to his main trade of professional footballer, it crucially stated that the contract nevertheless limited the extent to which he could take advantage of the earning capacity associated with that trade. It therefore accepted that it was such a restraint and held the contract to be illegal.

The consequence that this will have on the terms of agreements between players and agents – and the resulting power struggle– remains to be seen, but the important message to come from this case is that the courts, and society, increasingly consider the exploitation of image and personality as part of the normal earning potential of publicly-known professionals.

If you would like to discuss protecting your image rights, setting up an image rights company as part of a larger tax planning exercise, or have general questions on the law relating to agency or sports please contact Paul Flynn in our Corporate Team, or Paul Geoghegan in our specialist Sports Law Team.

http://www.morton-fraser.com/publications/factsheets/2267_image_rights_explained

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:46pm On Aug 08, 2013

coogar: you are the one missing the point here. sporting iD sell name templates as a whole and they sell all the letters of the alphabets in multiple packs. if i walk into a store hoping to buy a ready made rooney shirt and it's out of stock, i can insist they bring out all the letters that spell "ROONEY" and have it printed on a blank shirt. those pieces of 6 letters are all from sporting iD too but rooney would still get his royalty on that particular product i am trying to make.....

go back to the dailymail link i sent to you - obviously, beckham and cantona are no longer united players so sporting iD couldn't have sent their name templates to united like rooney, rafael, etc.

when the new collar shirt came out, united fans wanted cantona's names on blank shirts....they were hoping the store would put letters C-A-N-T-O-N-A(manufactured by sporting iD) on a blank shirt but the stores simply refused to do it for them as united would have to pay eric cantona the royalties of making such shirts....

1. You should be aware that this name print/stamp is also done by a hundred and one other outlets apart from Man United. So which body is in best position to monitor counting of the printing done by these outlets, even outside UK?

If you go to the Premier league site, you will see where it was stated that stores should order for players names and number from sporting I'd. The Premier league obviously know its best to track the figures via sporting. We can't know better.

2. The players image right I read didn't mention shirts. It was more of proceeds from using players for product adverts, like cocacola, nike etc.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:46pm On Aug 08, 2013

coogar: you are the one missing the point here. sporting iD sell name templates as a whole and they sell all the letters of the alphabets in multiple packs. if i walk into a store hoping to buy a ready made rooney shirt and it's out of stock, i can insist they bring out all the letters that spell "ROONEY" and have it printed on a blank shirt. those pieces of 6 letters are all from sporting iD too but rooney would still get his royalty on that particular product i am trying to make.....

go back to the dailymail link i sent to you - obviously, beckham and cantona are no longer united players so sporting iD couldn't have sent their name templates to united like rooney, rafael, etc.

when the new collar shirt came out, united fans wanted cantona's names on blank shirts....they were hoping the store would put letters C-A-N-T-O-N-A(manufactured by sporting iD) on a blank shirt but the stores simply refused to do it for them as united would have to pay eric cantona the royalties of making such shirts....

1. You should be aware that this name print/stamp is also done by a hundred and one other outlets apart from Man United. So which body is in best position to monitor counting of the printing done by these outlets, even outside USA?

If you go to the Premier league site, you will see where it was stated that stores should order for players names and number from sporting I'd. The Premier league obviously its best to track the figures via sporting. We can't know better.

2. The players image right I read didn't mention shirts. It was more of proceeds from using players for product adverts, like cocacola, nike etc.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:18pm On Aug 08, 2013

coogar: letters C-A-N-T-O-N-A can be combined to print CANTONA. so united do not need sporting iD to do that. dont people print SEGUN, CHAMOTEX, ELAMPIRO on blank shirts? you mean united had to request embellishments to print such? biko, stop looking for excuses.

apples and oranges, mate!
toyota don't pay royalties to state government where their cars are licensed. there's a direct relationship between united and the names of the players printed on man utd's shirts. royalties must be paid!!!

but man utd would pay the royalties and they run an effective system that tells them the number of their shirts that got sold as blanks, the number of their shirts that had a player's name and the ones that had the customer's name.

blank shirt - £50
shirt with players name - £55
shirt with customer's name - £60.

even from the prices the shirts are sold, united would know how many of their shirts are sold with the player's name as the prices of these products are different.

1. You seem to be ignoring one vital point. That is, for a shirt to be authentic or replica, it must have sporting I'd lettering and embellishment. The figures released by Premier League only has to do wih replica shirts, not plain shirts or customers name shirt.

2. Can you throw more light on this so called 'image right' with link to back? I just read it up, it's different from what you are saying.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:53am On Aug 08, 2013

coogar: i have given the evidence few days ago when united refused to print cantona/beckham shirts as they would have to pay royalties to cantona/beckham. cantona/beckham are no longer united's employees so they refused to print their shirts....

rafael/rooney are still united's employees and any shirt printed in their names must have the proceeds shared. this is where image rights come from. it's not even shirts alone. united/football players make money everytime their brand pops up in TV commercials.

The printing of Cantona would have meant that United will request sporting I'd to print the lettering and embellishment.

Toyota can tell you the number of brand new cars they sent to Nigeria, but it is only the board of internal revenue/licensing that call tell how many of such cars were registered in each state.

Man United buys lettering and embellishment from sporting I'd. United do not have this right. No EPL team has it. Only one company does it uniformly for all the teams.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:38am On Aug 08, 2013

coogar: the record company is the best example....

in this case, man utd is the CBN. they know how many of their shirts are in circulation.

but the shirts that become rooney/rafael are reported back to man utd to work out the proceeds of image rights rooney/rafael get via image rights. rooney/rafael are united's employees - they must share the proceeds. there are 3 brands involved now - nike, man utd and the player whose name was sold.

man utd own their shirts - they must take account of whose name was written on their shirts. they must pay image rights for one-word name template and even letter-by-letter template. every customised shirt bought must be electronically scanned with a receipt so man utd must know who buys what. sporting iD do not sell shirts and can never know how many of their lettering became player's names....

Show evidence that this is the procedure. I have given you what is official and supported with sources which is Premier League,and the links.

Stores do not have to go through Man United to buy lettering and embellishment from Sporting I'd . Even United buy these items from sporting. So who should count?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:04am On Aug 08, 2013

BinghiNya: I believe rooney isn't going nowhere, nanii shouldn't be a starter moyes knows beTter

So who should run our wings? Valencia has not played for sometime now.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:00am On Aug 08, 2013

BinghiNya: Ellampiro let us kidnap kai rooney to force rooney to stay

I am tired of the whole thing. Some are speculating he won't stay if Fab or a solid midfield player doesn't come in. So now I watch how the saga ends in couple of days.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:57am On Aug 08, 2013

dademola: Saw ronaldo shut mou up dis morning, and i cldnt bt wish he cmes back "home".

How Ronaldo and Messi find goal scoring so easy is amazing. I saw one of the goals from a free kick.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:46am On Aug 08, 2013

Wenger: It's lose-lose if Chelsea signs Rooney

Arsene Wenger believes it will be just as difficult for Arsenal next season if Wayne Rooney leaves Manchester United for Chelsea.

The Blues have made Rooney their primary transfer target this summer but saw an improved bid rejected by the Premier League champion on Sunday, which is understood to have been worth around 30 million pounds.

Wenger feels a potential departure for Rooney will have no impact on his team as Chelsea is already one of the strongest outfits in the division.

"With Rooney, [Chelsea] will be even more dangerous for sure," the Frenchman told Al Jazeera Sport. "I rate Rooney highly and unfortunately we fight with Manchester United and Chelsea.

"So, on one front, if he goes then Manchester United will be weaker, that's quite good for us. But if he changes to Chelsea then they will be stronger - which is not good for us."

David Moyes has continually insisted that the 27-year-old will not be sold this summer despite the player's desire for a fresh start after nine years at the club and the new United manager does not think he will have to convince Rooney to stay, despite the continued interest from Jose Mourinho at Stamford Bridge.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wenger-lose-lose-chelsea-signs-133700814--sow.html

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:39am On Aug 08, 2013

BinghiNya: I feel united can go for cabaye, lee britton and mohammed diame instead of fabregas

Moyes should sign someone before the Community Shield. Then he can use that match to integrate the player into the team. In January again, he should take stock, then sell some and buy better players. No need keeping too many average players.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:12am On Aug 08, 2013

montelik: We haven't looked convincing this preseason. I wouldn't normally be concerned but the start to our EPL defence is pretty tough. We need to put on a solid showing against Wigan and I expect Moyes to put our strongest possible line-up

DDG
Rafa--Evans--Vida--Evra

---------Carrick-------
-----Tom C------Ando---
---------Kagawa--------

Welbz-----RVP

Lets go with a diamond for now. If Rooney is fit, he can take Danny's place and partner RVP.

This your formation is what I will call 'play safe'. If it were to be on preseason perfromance, many of the players there won't get a start now.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:55am On Aug 08, 2013

dopeJemi: what happened 2 Chicharito?

Chicharito has not been tested in the preseason. He should start from the bench.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 5:49am On Aug 08, 2013

RuuDie: @ coogar.

Nice analogy with the recording company example. That just about sums everything up!

The record company doesn't sum anything at all. I only wanted to ignore that. You still do not understand or want to know how it works.

The best example was the CBN cash mint I gave.

Record company sells CDs of one musician, and once released to the market, no further work needed to be done. Whereas football club release its plain jerseys and only sporting id determine which shirt becomes Rooney's, Rafael, etc.

How can you take count of what you don't manufacture? Clubs don't manufacture player's names and number. Here it is sporting id that is even the recording or label company because they label shirts.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19pm On Aug 07, 2013

David ‪#‎Moyes‬ is adamant that Manchester United will strengthen their squad before the transfer window shuts this summer.

Moyes insists he is feeling “relaxed” about his side’s transfersituation, despite the new Premier League season now just 10 days away.

“I do think we’ll be bringing players in before the window shuts, they will come. We’re moving along but if you said, ‘is anything close?’, I couldn’t give you an answer.

“I’m relaxed, we’ve got a squad here and it’s the same group of players that won the Premier League last year. You can never tell until the season starts but we are looking forward to it.”

Moyes has issued a mysterious response to questions surrounding Cesc ‪#‎Fabregas‬ potential transfer when quizzed on a possible third offer for Fabregas Moyes said: ‘I can’t say anything about it.’

When pushed on whether reinforcements would be arriving, Moyes added: ‘They will.’ (Source: sportreview, Metro)

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:07pm On Aug 07, 2013

coogar: kitbag run man utd merchandise - they are united's official store and if they are doing a research, surely they would know from man utd, how many shirts nike produced and distributed. kitbag also run the merchandise of barcelona, madrid, chelsea and city so they are not like onion bag, they are huge here in the UK.

but that was what they used - there's no way the number of names, numbers can determine the number of shirts sold. it's impossible.

Either Man United or Kit bag cannot determine shirts sold according to individual players. They can only determine how many of their shirt they distributed. This is because, majority of the shirts leave the hands of united warehouse without numbers. So, onionbag can be having 250,000 united plain shirts in its various shops across US and the world. Then, will have to place a separate order to sporting id for the lettering and embellishment based on the shirts that customers demand mostly.

That is the way I understand it. It is with names and number you can determine how many RVP shirt or Rooney shirts were sold, not when they are still plain (raw).

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:51pm On Aug 07, 2013

Manchester United have now won the Lancashire Senior Cup 4 times in 6 seasons after beating Manchester City 2-1. Goals from Petrucci and Lingard (pen).

Our boys did it again yesterday. Lingard and Januzaj were in action.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:47pm On Aug 07, 2013

coogar: ^^^

what you wrote above still cannot tell sporting iD how many shirts are sold. they don't actually sell the shirts - they sell numbers and names. kitbag and man utd actually sell the shirts with names.

i can get rooney's premier league name and number on an england blank shirt or the blank shirt of super eagles jersey. if i go to a store and they don't have a rooney template to put on a blank shirt, i can buy 6 letters R-O-O-N-E-Y(official premier league prints) and have it printed on my man utd shirt.

how would sporting iD know from these scenarios how many man utd shirts are sold? they can only know about the ROONEY template, they can never know on which shirt it was printed.

this is why i said kitbag's research would have more accurate statistics than sporting iD in the number of shirts sold.

1. Kitbag cannot be more accurate because united shirts are also distributed by other outlets all around the world. I mentioned onionbag.

2. The Premier League cannot be crazy as to deem it fit to rely on sporting id for the most credible figures. All the plus and minus would be taken care of. Every company has a way of monitory their records to decide what should cound and what shouldn't.

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