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Valencia
Giggs
Cleverly

Should all be substituted.

1st Half

Ferdinand----- only experience keeping him there. When Rafael returns, Jones should pair Vidic.

Valencia------ Poor, but has a good assist.

Giggs--------- Could have got the opener but his lack of force to speed ahead let him down. Average. But kudos to him for the telling pass to RVP for 1st goal.

Cleverly------ shadow of himself.

Performance of the half
Vidic--------- solid rock. The man is back.
RVP----------- Always a danger in the box, good performance. He needs support from Rooney or Kagawa. Great finish.
Carrick------- Good performance.

United were highly dominated by Swansea until RVP scored. Something should be done to fortify the team. Although Nani, Rafael, Young, Rooney and Kagawa can help a great deal in subsequent games.

montelik: Just imagine if Rooney comes on as a sub and scores a late winner, Elampiro won't let us have peace on this thread.

Hahahaa.

Winning 1st.

ayobase: Thanks for expatiating.
Yes, Catholic and pentecostal agreed on all the points noted, but procedures differ.

Bible said confess your sin to one another, it didn't say what u meant there. And its not wrong to confess to the priest, but the problem now is that people have turned the priest in God. They can't even seek for forgiveness from God, but the priests.

Not every every confession should go to the priest. The priests should teach them how to seek God for confession.

Water baptism, I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible where one was baptised via sprinkling of water. Jesus, the perfect example was immersed.

Pentecostal also don't joke with Holy Communion...its also the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.


Which one again.........

You said procedures differ. I think the pentecostals created alternatives which are not exactly the same and which most often looks invalid.

1. Confession. Jesus empowered the apostles to forgive sins. He didn't at in time tell his general followers to forgive sins of one another. Only the apostles were so empowered or authorised. Jesus has told the Church whatever you bind and loose o earth is approved in heaven, he also gave the priests the power to forgive or retain sins. So if the Church from the early ages has said everyone must go to the priests, who are you to now dispute it. Are you disputing the authority given to the Church and priests by our Lord Jesus Christ?

2. Can you count how many times in the bible baptism was done in the river? The bible says baptized with water, it didn't instruct baptized in river or by immersion.

3. Which Penecostal denomination teach this? In any way, they aren't even so authorised to to do this consecration.

...and it has to be Sturridge who opened the season with a well times (carpet) shot from outside the box. The goal came after Liverpool missed two clear chances.

Now the season rolls.

ayobase: Unless u wanna explain further, I don't see these doctrines as explained here being different from the Pentecostal's.

U wanna throw more light on how they are being done differently?

The Catholics will understand it better. The pentencostals/protestants only accept a few on denomination basis, but collectively they attack all the doctrines.

Take for instance, confession, they criticise catholics for confessing to God via the priest. But the bible gives the priests such authority.

Some pentecostal denominations attack the water baptism, saying it must be done in a river.

Only the Catholic church have the Eucharist and only church even so empowered. The bread and wine once consecrated by the priest becomes the body and blood. But the protestant said their bread and wine is a symbol. In the catholic church there are lots of Eucharistic miracles. The consecrated bread and wine by the priest are the true body and blood of Christ. You have to pay same respect, reverence, adoration and worship as if you were with Christ Himself. You have to be without sins.

Tradition: if you agree with tradition, why do petencostals usually ask 'where is it in the bible?'.

Suffering: Many pentecostals see every suffering as something of evil that must be casted out and bind. They say Jesus has paid the price, therefore it is now all about prosperity and merriment. If you are poor or suffering, it is because you have not got the connection to God- says the MOG these days. But the gospel has it that the apostles and suffered and were killed, even history told us same about early christians. They abandoned all for the gospel, but today the reverse is the case. People see the gospel as a means to accumulate all, greed is taught.

Works: Many early protestants and even these times believe by just giving your life to Christ- born again- one is saved. But the Catholic church is saying you must obey and observe the commandments. It is not just about 'when you take Jesus as your personal Lord and Saviour'.

A little of digression.

What is the problem with Arsenal/Wenger not signing players? Ours can be understood, we have a new coach.

8 CATHOLIC TEACHINGS FROM THE BIBLE THAT SEPARATES IT FROM PROTESTANTS/ PENTECOSTAL.

1. Matthew 16:18-19 / Isaiah 22:22 (Authority)
2. 1 Timothy 3:15 (Authority)
3. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 (Tradition)
4. 1 Peter 3:21 (Baptism)
5. John 20:23 (Confession)
6. John 6:53-58, 66-67 (Eucharist)
7. 1 Corinthians 11:23-29(Eucharist)
8. James 5:14-15 (Anointing)
9. Colossians 1:24 (Suffering)
10. James 2:17- 26 (Works)
The details of the bible verses are below.

(1) AUTHORITY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Matthew 16:18-19
18 “And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Isaiah 22:22
I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open

(2) TRADITION

2 Thessalonians 2:15
15 “So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you,whether by word of mouth or by letter.”
…...Commentary: Only the Catholic church dates back to the apostle: hence it is the only church that can teach tradition.

(3) Baptism
1 Peter 3:21

21 “and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ”

(4) Confession
John 20:23

23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

(5) Eucharist
John 6:53-58

53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent meand I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”
John 6:66-67

66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
67 “You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
1 Corinthians 11:23-29
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying,“This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat eat and drink judgment on themselves.

(6) ANNOINTING
James 5:14-15

14 Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.

(7) SUFFERING
Colossians 1:24
Paul's Work as a Servant of the Church
24 And now I am happy about my sufferings for you, for by means of my physical sufferings I am helping to complete what still remains of Christ's sufferings on behalf of his body, the church.

( WORKS
James 2:17-26
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[b] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Swansea v United | Team News & Preview
Manchester United begin their first Premier League campaign without Alex Ferguson with a tough trip to Swansea City on Saturday.

Michael Carrick (eye) and Javier Hernandez (thigh) both missed out on midweek international duty after picking up injuries, while Nani and Ashley Young (both minor knocks) did not feature in the recent 2-0 Community Shield win over Wigan.

Wayne Rooney travelled with the squad and may start on the bench having missed almost the entirety of United’s pre-season, although he managed to play over an hour of England’s midweek friendly win over Scotland.

Uncertainty remains over a return date for Darren Fletcher as his battle with ulcerative colitis continues. Rafael, meanwhile, will serve the final game of his three-match ban for a red card received against Chelsea in May. (Source: BBCSport)

Head-to-head
Manchester United have taken 10 points from their four Premier League encounters against Swansea.

But United have only won once at Swansea in 10 meetings since 1932. That came in the Premier League in November 2011, a 1-0 victory.#

The highest-scoring match between the clubs was a 5-1 Manchester United win at Old Trafford in December 1937.

coogar: zaha = cristiano ronaldo @ 18
plenty of potentials - zero football sense!

He has plenty of football sense o. He needs time to adjust to the bigger stage he has suddenly find himself.

What is the title of this video or where can I get it?

But this transfer stuff is rather too late. Why should we be adding players after playing few matches first?

Moyes was so sure things will be done late. He seems to put his confidence on his knowledge of the Premier League. Perhaps if not for the Champions League he wouldn't have added any new player.

Time to sitdown and observe.

Meanwhile, Chelsea reported to be ready to submit a third bid of 28m pounds plus add ons for Rooney.

Coss my hands watching now. The war starts tomorrow, na action and battles go con dey talk.

Following....

I saw a part where they said a 9 years old girl collapsed and died during a prayer session in Winners Chapel. Hmmmmmm

Make I waka pass first.

Happy to play my first competitive game of the season last night, felt good and it will definitely help my fitness. Disappointed my goal was disallowed, it was a great pass from Steven and I thought I timed my run perfect, the replays seemed to show it was onside. Made up for Ricky lambert getting the winner and his first goal for England, great debut! - Wayne Rooney on his facebook wall.
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Manchester ‪#‎United‬ have made contact with Real Madrid about signing one of Luka ‪#‎Modric‬ or Mesut ‪#‎Ozil‬, Old Trafford sources have told ESPN.

The move signals an escalation of United's attempts to finally complete transfer business in what has been a frustrating summer. ESPN

This means the new signings will have to be blend into the team in training only.

David Moyes has criticised his side's opening to the Premier League season, describing it as the "hardest start for 20 years"

Among their opening five games will be an Old Trafford meeting with Jose Mourinho's Chelsea and a trip across town to face Manchester City.

Moyes is unhappy with the way the fixtures have come out for his side.

"I find it hard to believe that's the way the balls came out of the bag, that's for sure, I hope it's not because Manchester United won the league quite comfortably last year that the fixtures have been made much more difficult." (Source: BBCSport) ‪

Beautiful.

Man United boss Moyes has admitted he was pleased that his man was able to star for 67 minutes at Wembley.

He told ITV: “I think the important thing today was that he got some playing minutes. That bodes well for us.

“Hopefully it will start to get him ready for when he is available and fit to play.”

Everton manager Roberto Martinez said on Wednesday that he does not expect Premier League rivals Manchester United to submit another bid for left-back Leighton Baines.

Everton rejected an initial offer — reportedly worth 14.1 million euros — from United for the England international in Jun

Before we went to Austria, one club officially contacted ourselves with an offer (for Baines) and it was a final offer,” he told a local newspaper.

“They put something over and the valuation wasn’t anywhere near the quality of Leighton Baines. That was the end of it, but since then there’s been all the speculation, which has been part of what the transfer window is.”

SailorXY: So Confed cup was the last time Kagawa played for Japan? Ohk na, let's leave it that.
Rooney was recuperating from which injury?? Abeg leave matter for Mathias! If his teammates were not giving him the ball *are u being sacarstic *, why didn't he maraud in his usual style & lay proper credence to his "indespensible" status? His showing just credits the Man Utd coaches for dropping & substituting him often last season, & trust me, that will not improve this season till he decides to EARN his wages.

SAF said when Rooney returns from injury you have to keep playing him. He is sort of player who improves with every game.

As far as I am concerned he scored yesterday. Also his positioning was cool, only energy and force was lacking.

Did you watch RVP in a friendly for Holland before he went to camp? It was against one of these small Asia teams and he was never in the game, never scored or even contributed. His fellow strikers and his sub, plus Robben were the ones who did the damage.

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montelik: Coleen stop showing yourself.

Indomie, what do you mean?

SailorXY: Bone that talk abeg. If Kagawa had such terrible performance as Mr. White P last night, you would have been pointing out, extensively for that matter, how he cannot fit into Rooney's shorts. I was just observing how you clearly avoided to comment on both their performances during this past internationals
You try

When last did Kagawa played football? Japan vs Italy in the confederation cup. What did he even play against Uruguay? What do you mean by their last internationals? Rooney scored a classical goal against Brazil in his last outing.

Rooney is recuperating from his injury and holiday, despite that, he scored a goal the linesman wrongly cancelled and his team mates were selfish in giving him balls. Walcot should thank his star that he got that ball in eventually.

Kagawa on target against Uruguay. Up indomie.

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My Rooney scored, but bad belle Coogar's friend linesman disallowed the goal.

coogar: respond to what? you have clearly shown you cannot read statistics.....when you tell me how you arrived at rooney copping 82 open play chances, then we can debate. you are aeons below my level in soccer analysis.

go n get more training!

I corrected it almost immediately, far before you responded. It is not easy to argue after a hectic day.

However, the chart clarified everything. It shows at a glance the best creators in EPL. Even the season Rooney was said to be poor, look at his figures.

All this yeye fouls can't replace Rooney. Spoiling Zaha's killer pass.

coogar: but failed to score in a match to shut united fans up...

cleverley - 1 assist
welbeck - 1 goal
rooney - 0 goal, 0 assist.



lewandowski is the real business - ruudie the prophet called it some 2 years ago but we all laughed in his face.

zaha's career might kaput if he doesn't get his act right. all this nonsense showboating would soon get him axed.

Go back to the previous page, you have something to respond to.

Someone is praying Rooney should be shamed. When those your guys have half of Rooney's goals for England, we can start talking of shame. Rooney has scored in virtually all his games for England in the past 1 year.

coogar: it seems english language is a big challenge for you - i said any ball whipped into the box, headed by a team-mate and intercepted by the defender to put out of touch for a corner is a chance created by rooney - how's that changed? are you reading from a greek translating device?



what's the meaning of this garbage? chances created are divided into open play and set play. TCC = SP + OP. if you know TCC - OP = SP, then it's easy to figure out.... simple mathematics is beyond you.



another irrelevant garbage! how the above relates to the discussion baffles 6 billion humans on the planet...



you are a stark illiterate.....
the stats clearly show 82% of rooney's TCC(total chance created) are from open play and 18% of rooney's TCC are from set plays. so in your mind, you cannot see that OP% + SP% = 100%?

illiteracy is a disease - percentage has become a real figure on NL.



my belle o - elampiro has brainfarted. did you just say rooney created 82 chances? rooney's TCC was 49. all the chances rooney created last season was 49. 82% of them were from open play and 18% are from setplays.

i warned you not to come back - congrats to you for showing yourself as incompetent!



i knew you could not read statistics - why are you so adamant to bring shame on the college that trained you? if you cannot read simple statistics on a table chart then i have clearly overestimated your intelligence!



you are very correct!
from the above you have no reason to write any further as you have brought shame to all the united fans on NL with your pathetic attempt at reading statistics. rooney created 82 chances is making my belle turn over.

question - did you graduate from a secondary school, never mind a tertiary institution?

[b]1. Just admit your error. You said all balls into the 18 box.

2. Any way that has past, the chart above clearly shows that Rooney is the best creator in United even in the 2012/13 you guys said he was poor. Even if you take 82% of his total he is still head and shoulder above the rest.

3. You are now shouting 82 percent? So now you even admit that his created chances from set play is 82%, but you were telling us that it was only 30%. You claimed 70% of his created chances and assist are from open play. Now the figures are staring at you. No more denial or hiding place.

When you consider he retains the ball many times fold without loosing in vital area as compared to the hynes in Berba, chicha and RVP, you will know he is a true 'god' in Manchester United. No wonder the club management want him stay at all cost.

The only thing you have more than people here is time. Returning from days activities to argue is not so easy. Only time helps you, else we would all get out those figures. Despite that you give us figures and you again argue them, you figures should be specific enough as the ones I just provided. [/b]

coogar: yes, it is a chance created....



why are you telling me what i already defined for you last night, see this dude jumping around like he's discovered the cure to HIV.

the movement of a ball between one player to his teammate is a pass. if rooney whips the ball into the box, he can only hope a united player gets to the ball first - it's not guaranteed. if a united player gets to the ball, the pass is completed - if a shot is taken, a chance is created by rooney. if the shot scores, then rooney gets the assist!




it is part of the stat if a shot is taken directly from rooney's whipped delivery. the shot does not have to be on target, go and read about football!



but it was rooney/van persie that got 15 goals from their cornerkicks. it means they are the largest contributors of set-piece goals.



players who do not take setpieces are disadvantaged - they are marked in the box with defenders. there are fellow teammates in the box too competing with them and there's a goalkeeper in the box towering over them to claim the ball. the probability of getting credits for creativity is lower than rooney/RVP who have no pressure at all to deliver a cross in the box.

if rooney/RVP's ball get headed into the goal, they get an assist. if it gets headed off-target, they get credits for chance created and if they are lucky their delivery gets into the net, they get the goal. if it hits the post and there's a goal from the rebound, they still get the assist. if it hits a defender n becomes an own goal, rooney/RVP still get the assist.



don't come back.....
you have been undressed publicly....you don't even understand english to understand football dynamics. you have conclusively thought every cornerkick or freekick would lead to a chance created thus arguing rooney's 51 created chances should be 100. have you forgotten corners can be taken short or long? freekicks can be taken short or long?

seriously, arguing with you is tedious - only the lack of shame and lack of decorum would make you continue this argument.

1. 1. You have shifted the goal post again. Did you not say any corner kick into the box even when headed by opponents are recorded as chances created? It is tedious to argue with you because you never admit errors. Everyone here can go back and read your post. For the benefit of any doubt I insert your comment below:

coogar: any ball whipped into the box from a setpiece is a chance even when it's intercepted by the defender and headed out to corner....the players who take the set-pieces should never be compared to the ones who don't take them as far as parameters like chance created/assists are concerned.

so telling us rooney is more creative than berbatov or hernandez is a fraudulent statement. that has been my point from the outset. so whether rooney took one setpiece throughout the season or took 100 is irrelevant - fact remains he has an advantage over berbatov/hernandez.
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Coogar, this is what you wrote earlier and now you have changed it. Always admit errors.

2. For your information, The chart you provided did not include set plays in arriving at the chances created. Your chart only referred to chances created from open play. Where set play are included, it is always stated.

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HOW TO SUCCEED IN THE EPL: CHANCES CREATED AND CHANCE CONVERSION

A common statistic that many people have begun to value and notice a lot recently is the chances created statistic. Chances created, according to Opta's website, is defined as "assists plus Key passes" where a Key Pass is "the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring" (Opta is a company that tracks and generates a ton of data in soccer). So basically, any pass that leads to a shot is considered a chance created.

Chances Created
The appeal of this measure is that it can value players that play on weaker teams better than assists do. For a player on a weaker team, it is harder to record assists since they are playing with teammates that are less likely to score. Chances created is a fairer statistic because it does not value the strength of your teammates as much. Overall, it can highlight creative players that are often overlooked because they are on weaker teams and do not have as many assists.
http://www.soccerstatistically.com/blog/2011/11/9/how-to-succeed-in-the-epl-chances-created-and-chance-convers.html
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4. What you should have done was to separated chances created from open play from those created for set play as done in the 1st chart below for 2012/2013. It clearly shows Baines is the best creator from open play and set play. He created 113 total chances and 54 from open play. Rooney created 49 chances, 82% Chances from open play while only 18% were from set play. Clearly distinguished.

5. Last season, Rooney 82 chances created from open play made him the 5th highest creator in EPL. He is the best creator in Manchester United as it has always been.

6. If the statistics you publish here are further subject to figures deduction and additions, what any value addition do they add to this discussions/thread? The figures you give should stand on their own.

7. Rooney is the fourth highest from open play on playing time calculation.

From the above, I have no need to write further. Only people who don't watch United matches will not appreciate Rooney. Considering he has to touch the ball 46 time in dangerous area before losing it, while hyenas Berbatov and Chicharito only touches it 20/16 times before losing it tells how much of a legend Rooney is to Manchester United.

coogar: you are a kid.....
anyone that thinks a corner-kick is not a form of setpiece or anyone who thinks united don't score from cornerkicks is a kid as far as i am concerned. didn't you also claim cornerkicks do not constitute chances created?

your football knowledge needs an upgrade....
any pass that leads to a shot taken in the opponents box is a created chance. the shot can be off/on target if you must know. so a ball whipped into the box by rooney, headed by evans and intercepted by a defender is a chance created by rooney!

You said any set play into the box whether headed away or not is a chance created. I said never ever and ever.

This is Opta's definition of a created chance. "a pass that directly leads to a shot from an intentional assist."

(a) Not the word a pass.
(b) it has to directly lead to a shot at goal. Not a goal mouth scramble or tussle.
(c) It also has to be an intentional assist. Which means only intelligent players or creators have the highest of this stat and are even more positioned and equipped to do so.

coogar: if you can bet rooney's corner/freekick are over 100 in a season then why do you put him as a more creative player than players who don't even take a single cornerkick or freekick? why are you defeating your own point? this dude is lost!!!



ashley young? how many games did ashley play last season? he played 1300 mins, less than 15 league games combined. how many freekicks or corners did young take to effect that of rooney that you claimed must have taken 100+ setpieces?

your argument is all over the place....
perhaps you have lost touch with the pace of the argument. the point is rooney cannot be compared to players who do not take setpieces as far as assist/chance created are concerned. do you agree with that or not?

1. Rooney's or any player's kicks into the box for random tussle cannot be part of those stat. Because he had only 51 created chances.

2. Ashley Young, Cleverly, Giggs and Nani all took corner kicks and free kicks from the left side of the field.

3. Players who do not take set pieces are not at all disadvantaged, instead they are at great advantage to add to their goals ahead of those who took set pieces.


see you in the evening.