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Leyqute:
E NO GO BETTER FOR JOSE MOURINHO!

WHY HAS THE FOOL BEEN BENCHING MARTIAL?

3 GAMES, 4 GOALS, 1 ASSIST.

E NO GO BETTER FOR MOURINHO ONCE AGAIN

Martial had his time last season and couldn't deliver. He was best as super sub in the beginning. But I pray that he keeps going like this. He is coming of age now.

Before this season started, I said in as much as I wanted us to buy players, the positive is that our current players will have a chance to prove themselves in a lean squad.

patrickmuf:
How often did we drop points against teams like Valencia? And the period you quoted was during SAF later years at Old Trafford where the quality of the team had dropped due to the Glazers unwillingness to spend.

You have said it all.

It is easier to scatter than to build. The period you mentioned, City were building seriously anf they are reaping the dividend today. That was same period we could have gotten Hazard instead of Kagawa. We could have gotten Moura. Aguero was wasting away in Atletico for many years. Aguero was a striker I always wanted while at A.Madrid.

When I saw Hazard played his first match for Chelsea, I got angry at us. I knew we missed a very good player. I love players who can drive the ball past men with ease. I don't so much fancy passers.

This Napoli beating PSG, Juventus made them looked ordinary in their league match. Juve won 3-1

Leyqute:
Elampiro I see you've started drumming support for A. Young. He didn't perform too badly yesterday neither was he spectacular.

However, you should know that it's only normal to criticize players when they serve poo. Had Young performed woefully yesterday we'd still be bashing him now.

The current censure of Lukaku is well merited and in the right direction. Last season it appeared as if he was tasking himself , learning how to play with the team and developing his football play. With the cr.ap he's been serving of recent it seems all that's gained went right out the window after the summer break. He's too big. He can't run, can't control the ball, can't pass correctly, and the one that irks me the most - HE CANNOT CONTEST HEADERS WITH SHORTER DEFENDERS!!

That's gotta get on your nerves.

Young always posted outstanding performance on the left side of the field. Which was my original point. He makes us more dangerous there than Luke Shaw. Now he is doing good on the right side which is his weaker attacking side.

I agree on Lukaku, but we should take it easy because he still scores and bail us out.

raumdeuter:
Were you not the one that started the lukaku criticism?

Yes. Lukaku was never the kind of forward that I would want in Manchester United as I clearly stated. I prefer a striker like Aguero who can play, dribble and score. All the poor qualities I observed about Lukaku last year are just being discovered now by the rest of my pals here. I wonder why they could not see that his style of play was a problem.

However, Lukaku has even improved his overall play and goal scoring from the person I criticized last year. He is able to stretch the defence where there is space to run forward, he presses for the ball and drops deep to involve in some build up even when not as technically gifted as Aguero, Kane, etc. He is not just the hyena he was in the beginning. Knowing he is not so gifted, I decided to take him as he is mostly as there are no free world class strikers in the market.

My issue with the rest of my pals is that it looks like they just gang up to support a general opinion. When one is in opposition, they don't care to listen or view the person's opinion. The general opinion must be defended and held.

patrickmuf:
Is Valencia a top team? That they managed to leave Old Trafford with a point is a negative testimony to where we are presently.
Juventus have a stable defence yes but how about the midfield? Is Pjanic, Bentacur and Matuidi better than Pogba, Matic and Mata? No...So why were we dominated? Simple, tactical set up, Cancel was advancing at every opportunity along with Sandro who was surprising a bit conservative in the process stretching our midfield.
Up front, Dybala and Ronaldo choosed their moment to get into the box, they spent the entirety of the match on the wings and through the AM position dragging our CBs all over the place and in process distorting our defensive shape...This is tactics. What was our own game plan? Pass to Martial and hope he does something out of the ordinary or wait for a moment of brilliance from Pogba. When last did you watch our game wherein you saw a move and knew a goal was in the offing? I bet you can't remember.
We have the team to outplay Juventus but we don't have a coach who is positive with his approach.

Even under SAF, teams like Valencia or even worse left Old Trafford with a point. Even Bilbao beat us.

Juventus have faster midfielders. Please stop mentioning Mata. Adding average Mata to the slow combination of Pogba and Matic makes it worse.

Juventus has more quality players. Take it or leave it. This is same thing that have been playing in UCL final and semi final.

One thing about this thread is that there is always a generally held opinion. Once the opinion gains ground, almost 90% buy into it and that is the end. Like this Mourinho's sack. Not really different from the two previous managers sacked. The general opinion currently building now is the criticism of Lukaku. About 70% are already on this ship.

Recently, some were going to start criticizing Ashley Young just because of their love for Shaw on the LB position. Even when Young was posting a MOTM performance against Chelsea, someone still find a way to rubbish him. I heard Neville said he was the MOTM.

Is it that some people don't watch matches, they only read comments on this thread or they cannot form individual opinion?

Khaytunechi:
We could've gotten Mahrez/Shaqiri for that RW but Jose preferred Sanchez to come upset the Martial/Rashford resurgence we started seeing from October '17- January '18,, he got Sanchez just so City won't get him.. Such an insecure biatchhh of a manager always starting games on the defensive.. Is it the great players that'll tell Lukaku to stop withdrawing to the center circle before we start trying to win back possession??

Our wing and forward players always backpedal into our half especially during first half of games before they try win back possession.. See Pjanic Bentacur Matuidi midfield outplaying us like it was prime Xavi Iniesta and Zidane rolling back the years..

This is the third year and we're still on ifs and or buts despite the transfer windows we've had?? Egbon Elampawa what is the color of Mourinhos problem gangan tell us..

It is when Mourinho leaves this team he would have the opportunity to tell the world how he was frustrated in the transfer market.

Take it or leave it, these team doesn't have the quality of Juventus and other top teams of Europe. To begin with, when last did a United player win the PFA player of the season?

One player can change the atmosphere in a club. We don't yet have that player that when you run into trouble, just give him the ball and let him open so much space and gaps in opposition defence. For instance Hazard.

nitrogen:
Stupid Mourinho will tell his players to man mark opponent players. Smart opposing managers will tell their players to go wide, so there is space for unmarked players to take advantage of.

Yesterday, the gap between Lindelof and Smalling was massive, because they were man marking, while Matic couldnt catch up with a small, fast Dybala when Juve attacked man utd, and no one else can mark Dybala because man utd players must man mark!

Dybala had two clear-cut chances because he was faster than Matic and was able to run into spaces created by our central defenders

The man marking has been our trademark for a long time even before Mourinho came. We have suffered from set play because of man marking, and I remember suggesting many years ago we do zonal marking from set play. I see some top teams do it. We can even combine both. To me, if you are evenly spread in your box, you will be able to read the flight of the ball better and clear. But when man marking, you chase players about and lose sight of the ball.

On the above goal, Matic made a mistake by not following Dybala closely enough. At one point Matic reduced his speed thinking the ball will be cleared. These kind of things make Carrick to be the most intelligent DM we have had.

I wish we have a player like Dybala or Mbappe on our right side.

Adisaowalla:
Really??

After spending how much ??

How much and how long did Man City spend before they could win league in 2011? Our team crumbled after SAF left, and we have been rebuilding which has not yet worked. Sacking coach every two years will mean that we are going to be like Liverpool that didn't win EPL in about 30 years.

nitrogen:
Do you even know what you are saying? So Pogba, Matic, Herrera, Fred, Mctominay, Pereira, Fellaini are not midfielders, abi? Lets be realistic, you only need to play Pogba, Matic and maybe Fred to attack any team.

Regarding our defense, how many clubs have solid defenders? The same defense that was about the best in the league last season. How come these guys are playing shyte?

Tactics matter alot, if your tactics are right, nobody will complain about your defense. Check Man City (Otamendi, Laporte, Stones), Arsenal (Mustafi, Holding, and the other fringe players), Liverpool (apart from Dijk, who else?), even Chelsea (Luiz Rudiger etc), these guys are not top notch defenders, but their managers understand them and approach games with tactics that mask their weaknesses.

Fuvk Mourinho!

The problem with our midfield is that Pogba and Matic despite being very good are usually slower than their opponents. These are not direct players. United will need a third midfielder who can quickly penetrate tight areas in the opposition half. Pogba is a world class of his own, but he needs a very fast and direct midfielder beside him. Matic is the ball winner and hardly loses possession, but he is very very slow. When you add Luke Shaw who is more likely to pass to Linderlof or Matic instead of pushing forward, you can see why our opponents easily regroup before we get to their final third.

You need players to implement a tactics. If it were just about tactics, new coaches would not be buying players. Even Guardiola bought many players despite inheriting a team that finish in UCL semi final

patrickmuf:
Abeg stop with this excuse, who is Cancelo, who is Betancourt, who is Cuadrado, the same one that failed at Stamford bridge, who is Sczheny or whatever?
We don't have quality players but Mata was one of the best players if not the best at Chelsea when they won the UCL, he could easily be the creative engine of the team in the right set up.
Cancelo was bombarding forward evertytime, at some point in the game, I saw him working Lindelof and I almost cried...For us, the starting position of Martial and Rasford meant they had to carry the ball a long distance on most occasions to get into a threatening position.
Allegri was more positive and it paid off, the little time we pressed high up the pitch, Juventus made mistakes, you wonder why we don't approach games with a positive mindset.

Ask yourself how they beat Valencia in Spain with ten men.

You have to start from defence, Juve have a stable defence than United. Secondly, Juve has dominated their opponents this season. They appear faster than every team they have played against.

raumdeuter:
So the teams that play attacking football how do they get the ball? Is it a coincidence that the top 3 teams in the league are very attacking?

They have players who help them to easily regain possession. Most importantly, they have players who can keep the ball even while attacking and dribbling. For instance, William and Hazard are more likely to safely keep the ball longer than Martial and Rashford.

The quality of players in the team is low. Pogba, Matic, De Gea are the only players currently on high level. Martial will have to play for a long time to gain consistency.

We don't know our best CB. It seems we gradually getting a partnership with Smalling and Lindelof. Lindelof is comfortable with the ball.

Two or three great players will change this team. If we can get one good player to mesmerize opposition on the right wing, things will immediately change.

Leyqute:
These guys should stop passing to Poor Pogba. He's decided to be unfortunate today.

Our best player last night? The guy is showed class

Jose Mourinho says it is vital that Manchester United focus on defending as the club looks to return to form.

For Mourinho, the attacking display is impressive, but, for the club to truly steady the ship, defence will be even more important.

"That story of the attacking football - I still don’t understand that story.

"Because for me you can only play attacking football when you have the ball. You need the ball. When the opposition has the ball you have to defend.

"I want my team, when the opponent has the ball, I want the ball, and you can only recover the ball if your opponent loses or if you recover or if you provoke a mistake in your opponent, for all that you need to defend.

"When you have the ball you can play a different way and normally adapted to the qualities of your players. That is what I want. We try to play that way. The key is for the players to be able to do it."

[Source: goal.com] #MUFC #Mourinho

Mourinho: I don't understand the story of attacking football

RuuDie:
It is more of CR7 and Zizou leaving at the same time than one or the other. Reason am na.

E be like make SAF comot dat time, then Wazza, Carlito and Ororo sef follow am waka. No be die man united for dey so!

Before Zidane, Madrid were doing well in the league.

elrony:
Rojo and Jones should be sold and replaced

You have not seen when Rojo is in form. That LCB is the major problem. Rojo can still play as left back.

neezar:
Shaw also tried too

We really need a striker and someone that can nurture Rashford....Mata can be considered for our RW....Our 2nd goal came through that wing

We are always suffering from set pieces

Agreed.

I don't trust Mata like that. But we have played well with him in two matches in a row. So let us continue that way for now.

neezar:
Young na key holder sha

Young is just too good at his age. Even when Mike Dean threatened him with unnecessary early yellow card, he still did his job superbly.

neezar:
Mourinho: "Before the game, if say person wan gimme one point, i go take am happily, but now i dey feel like shit with one point. Na 3 points we suppose get. The result pay them."

I predicted 2-1 in our favour since yesterday, that is why it is painful to me. Not that I stake it sha. I don't bet. It also painful that we should have by now cut the point at the top of the league and climb higher. However, if we continue like this, we will get to the top four by New Year Day.

pamcode:
Mike Dean is not in charge of additional time is he? That should be the match commissioner's Job.

The centre referee is in charge of added time. He communicates with the fourth official two minutes to then end of regulation time. That is the rule.

I have seen what happened after watching that scene a dozen times. Smalling was going for the header, that made Young try to give way. But a Chelsea player blocked Smalling from reaching the ball thereby giving Luis a free header. It would have been better for Smalling to allow Young jump for the ball because he was closer to where it was dropping. Young would have won the header or prevented a clearer header if he challenged.

Lana1:
[b]SailorX[/b]Y. Mans crystal ball was from okitipupa and He could see the future in HD.

We need to sell that elephant, buy someone better or take our chances with Rashford.


Nihilistjnr tho. Nah only frauds and scams the man sabi support....Lukaku, Bakayoko, Zappacosta...

Is SailoyXY still here?

Unlimited22:
I just watched that goal again.
How both Smalling and Lindelof didn't win that header is amazing.
Also, the cross shouldn't have come in. Shaw did poorly.
Then everyone in the six yard area was ball-watching.
Absolutely no fault of his.

I also wondered what Young was doing. I don't know who I should put the blame on squarely. The first goal we conceded, I also thought Shaw should have held the ball with the space he had instead of conceding unforced corner kick. But actually, football is not that simple.

My observation about the first half. We did not play with much energy and we did not press tight when we mark. Chelsea had too much space to think, plot and pass us around. When we got the ball, we attacked too slowly like we had done throughout this season, and then the opposition easily regrouped before we hurt them.

We were more mobile in the second half and got more balls into the opposition box thereby forcing them to make mistakes. Most importantly we didn't allow them to build comfortably from the back.

Lana1:
SailorXY. Mans crystal ball was from okitipupa and He could see the future in HD.

We need to sell that elephant, buy someone better or take our chances with Rashford.


Nihilistjnr tho. Nah only frauds and scams the man sabi support....Lukaku, Bakayoko, Zappacosta...

Which Rashford? Lukaku is the best we can get for now. It is not that he is very bad, he sometimes bail us out from nowhere. He has improved so much from the striker I criticized for a long period last season.

Mourinho rushed in the subs too quickly.

Anyway, what the coach needs to do is to find out the difference between the first half and second half today.

Wetin do Lukaku today? Played like someone who is pregnant or has not trained for weeks.

We could have scored a third but Sanchez over hit pass to Lukaku, although Lukaku looked like a trunk today.

olabode89:
I get your point sir.

I was kind of shocked that Mou didn't bring in another CB during stoppage time.

I was expecting Bailly since Fellaini was unavailable.