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olabode89:
We robbed ourselves! Why was Rashford trying to waste time within 90 mins.

Jemi7:
Ozuor

Jemi7:
Ode

Jemi7:
Shut up sir

Jemi7:
Rashford is a very stupid and dumb player, and this is not even Mourinho now, how can a club as big as Man Utd be parading Rashford and Young in one wing

pkasso:
You were only mentioned casually in a conversation that more or less had nothing to do with you. You could have just ignored the mention. Here's was your reply after my post:



Who brought up the old debate? Who misinterpreted what the other person said? Who talk say, you no know ball?

pkasso:
I swear this shyte is surreal. I don't do drugs or weed so I don't know what could have triggered this. I made way to the Utd thread where some of them were debating whether a move for Vidal was worth it. There was no way I was going to allow them slander one of my fave players. That was how I got into the debate, which took another dimension when I claimed Vidal was the best midfielder in the world. Elampiro disagreed and said it was Yaya Toure and that was how I got locked into a debate with Elampiro and the rest of the United clan.

pkasso:
Who invited you here? Stop lying. I was going down memory lane explaining an old incident to Nihilist wnich you came up in. You then proceeded to attack me based on a debate we had 4 phucking years ago. Even when I tried to clear the air, you let the debate drag on. Almost like you had this beef on your mind all these years and were just waiting for the right opportunity.

For the sake of the Chelsea fans here, this is the last time I will be replying to you.

Unlimited22:
Pkasso is a Bayern Munich fan.
Elampiro is a Manchester United fan.
They are arguing about Daniel Alves, a player who hasn't even played in the Premier League and currently plays for Paris Saint Germain.



On the Chelsea thread.
Nuts.

pkasso:
You just keep diminishing whatever respect I have left for you as a football analyst.

I guess your brain was on sabbatical when I admitted Alves significantly made more tackles per game, citing Kimmich's reluctance to dive into tackles. On the interceptions count, there was only a slight difference of 1. But what about the other stats? Kimmich created more chances, scored more goals and had more assists. Wingbacks these days are valued more for their offensive contributions than their defensive. Or why do you think Marcelo is rated as the best in the world?

Your ignorance is blinding. So Kimmich is an attacking midfielder, abi? Off the top of my head, I can mention other fullbacks with better attacking stats than Alves. Philipp Max of Augsburg had 12 assists in the BuLi last season. Alba had 9. Not forgetting Marcos Alonso with a massive 7 goals and a couple of assists. Whatcha say now?

Which wingbacks and wingers did you compare Alves stats with? The ones playing in Ligue One. LOL. Bring his stats to the forefront of European football and let's see how he matches up.

KDB, a wing forward?! On what planet? Chai, elampiro YOU NO KNOW BALL!!! See person wey I dey follow argue with since

Those players you mentioned are more likely to score than create. I could also counter your claim of them being wing forwards even though you are right to a large extent. They are inside forwards. They operate along the channels or halfspaces. Away from the touchline but not so close to the center. They cut inside and SHOOT with their stronger foot. There is barely enough time and room for them to thread a killer pass in a final third crowded with defending opposition players. Their first instinct as attackers is to shoot. Traditional wingers are a dying breed in the modern game. In their place, we now have the wingbacks. You should be paying me for this bit of football education.

Alves has done nada when compared with the right set of players. KDB, Sane, Silva, Pogba, Eriksen, Mahrez all had more assists and created more chances.

Ibra was already a world-class player before moving to France. Same with Neymar. Cavani despite scoring all those goals has never been truly rated as world class.

I don't know what you are talking about. Kimmich had a higher performance score than Alves. Had more goals and assists and created more chances.

You should learn to apply stats with sense. The premise must be solid enough before resorting to stats. Show me where i said Sterling was better than Neymar, or keep shut.

pkasso:
You still aren't making any sense. Wing forwards are more likely to cut inside and SHOOT rather than whip in a cross. If you want to compare chances created, do it with wingbacks, playmakers and pure wingers. And let's see if Alves' stats are as amazing as you are trying to make it look.

Wetin concern me with Di Maria and Draxler? Nobody takes the Ligue One seriously in the scheme of things. Neymar scored 19 goals and had 13 assists in 20 games and yet could not make the shortlist of the biggest football awards.

You tried skewing the stats in Alves' favor by using the per minute ratio when the original numbers were not even close enough. Majority of the players you mentioned had more chances created and assists than Alves.

I don't know which Squawka profile you checked because Kimmich had a higher performance score than Alves in both their respective leagues and the CL. He created more chances and had more assists.

Alves had the upper hand in tackles which is not so surprising. Kimmich has never been a prolific tackler, even during his stint as a CB under Pep. Not because he can't tackle, but because he prefers to win the ball using less riskier means i.e interceptions. Alves edges it here with 4 to 3 per game. But all in all, Kimmich trumps Alves.

Your over reliance on stats shows how much you don't trust your brain in making decisions for you. Whatever happened to the good old eye test? That ability to observe and make conclusions based on what you see. Not necessarily depending on machines to generate numbers and figures that are subject to interpretation and can be manipulated to suit whatever purposes.

raumdeuter:
Poor compensation how?

England still remains a huge joke, no major final in half a century

Jemi7:
So the fatigue disappeared in the premier league and magically appeared to disturb them in the Champions League that starts a month after the league starts? You Know ball die. Okalamwo Okalamwo

pkasso:
]A fullback is more likely to bag an assist than score just as a striker is more likely to score than assist, Captain Obvious. Why not just compute their total goal contributions and compare since you are being so dubiously smart?

pkasso:
That's even ignoring the fact that those stats were in a mid-level league as the Ligue One - a league where a goal has a weighted average of 1.5 as to the 2 obtainable in the biggest leagues in Europe when calculating for the Golden Shoe. Will you be so happy if Alves was subjected to such a balanced and efficient metric in recalculating their true value.

pkasso:
Need I point out your attempt to skew the stats in favour of Alves by using the per minutes ratio when the sample sizes are not even close. Ever heard of regression to the mean? You might want to start taking Statistics classes.

pkasso:
Even at that, his stats still pales in comparison to that of Joshua Kimmich, a player who dropped an incredible 6 goals and 27 assists in 2018 alone. 18 big chances, 10 of which translated to assists in the BuLi. A look at their Squawka profiles for their respective leagues and the CL shows who the better player is. I'm even yet to look up that of Walker, Carvajal and Trippier.

pkasso:
Eruditor, will you be so nice to explain the logic behind the created chances bit for Mr Pace n' Pawa?

The CL is undoubtedly the biggest club competition in the world which provides a level field for comparing players who ply their trade in different leagues. So how does Alves fare against Kimmich? 2 goals and no assists for Alves. 4 GLS and 3 assists for Kimmich, including a goal in each leg against perennial champions Real in the semifinals.

Even putting the stats aside, the eye test shows Alves is no longer the beast he once was. His last world class performances were in his last few months at Juve. I'm talking c. April 2017. He got exposed in both legs against Real Madrid last season, even committing an error that led to a goal. Age has caught up with him, which is acceptable.

pkasso:
But what is not is you coming here spewing rubbish in the hope of defending the indefensible. Kimmich had a fantastic debut season as a fullback. Walker was an integral part of that record breaking Man City team and had a good World Cup even when played out of position. Carvajal made history with Real Madrid winning a third straight CL. Trippier brought back memories of Beckham and was one of the stars of the summer.

Alves had no business making that team.

neezar:
Are we the only team in England??

Look at Liverpool Chelsea and City.....Those players no go world cup??

Nwokem u don't know ball

eph12:
Elamps wey dey bring assists stats for defenders. But that's how the world of football is now sha. While defenders are rated by number of assists, some attackers are excused for doing everything aside assisting and scoring goals. Well we thank God for Sarri sha

pkasso:
Ogbeni, go siddon. After been enlightened on how the process works, you still come here dey yarn opata. Elampiro, you no know ball!!

Abeg, give me one reason, just one reason why Alves made your almighty FIFPro XI. I dey wait o.

1. Dani Alves had 7 Assists in 2063 minutes played last season. That put him on same Assists per minutes played with Mohammed Salah and almost same with Mbappe. Better than most top number 10s of the world top leagues like David Silva.

2. Dani Alves (47 in 2063 minutes) had better chances created (CC) than Mohammed Salah, Sterling, Sane, Aguero, Kane, Mahrez, Mkhitaryan, Ramsey, Pogba, Firmino, Mane, etc. In his league he is one of the top with Mbappe, Di Maria and about two others above him.

3. Alves featured in whoscored League 1 team of the season.

4. Alves featured in whoscored European (best XI) team of the season.

Do you still think FIFPro is a popularity contest? Do you think now you know more than the professional players?

Sitting down and reading old newspaper at mama akara joint in the morning while chewing stick and reading analysis of Dayokanu which gave you a few knowledge about FIFPro voting does not make you know ball. If no be Dayo and Nihilist wey you dey read their posts here, wetin you for know for Fifapro?

You remain the lightweight you are.

pkasso:
Mr elampiro, I put it to you that YOU NO KNOW BALL. You can't even tell the difference between the FIFA's Best award and the FIFPro XI.

The voting processes are not the same. The FIFPro XI is voted for by every professional footballer who is a member of the FIFPro body. Which means it's pretty much open to anyone and everyone to vote.

I could be plying my trade in the second division in Guatemala and still get to vote for my favorite players, who might not necessarily be the best players that year but based on their reputation or fame, they make the team. Some of these voting players are not as informed or knowledgeable as the average football fan. As long as the player is popular, they vote for him without considering the actual level of his performances. Or how do you explain Alves making the team despite not playing up to 15 games and being out injured for 6 months?

It is a subjective form of rating players, not an objective one. I understand that it's for the players only but that lack of exclusivity reflects in the quality of the voting at times.

pkasso:
And you said Yaya was the worst in the world, abi?

You clearly don't know my stance on the FifPro XI. I've never been a big supporter of the process and my reasons are well known. It's no more than a popularity contest. The latest edition showed how much of a farce it has descended to. Salah, the third best player of the year couldn't even make the first team. The less said about Dani Alves making the team, the better.

And you expect me to hold such as a flawless measure of a player's quality?

pkasso:
Baba, you don come again

I was referring to that specific point in time. 2014 was a terrible year for Xavi and Barcelona. I even think the phrase I used at that time was 'the most complete midfielder in the world.' Vidal suffered a serious knee injury before the world cup and he never got back to his very best. Same thing that happened to Falcao.

Your Yaya Toure, which FifPro XI did he enter?

pkasso:
Nihilstjnr, you won't believe what just happened. I just had the weirdest flashback ever. It's like I fvcking time-travelled back in time.

Remember when i asked you how you managed to dig up that post about Zlatan, Messi and CR7? A post from over 4 years ago. I swear I now remember it all. Everything. Every fvcking thing.

That day was August 1 2014. Schweinsteiger, who is one of my favorite players clocked 30 that day. It was a Friday like this and there was a light shower that morning. I had dropped a birthday post on the Bayern thread and Pa Ramuzaki followed suit with his, posting a picture of Schweini holding the World Cup.

I swear this shyte is surreal. I don't do drugs or weed so I don't know what could have triggered this. I made way to the Utd thread where some of them were debating whether a move for Vidal was worth it. There was no way I was going to allow them slander one of my fave players. That was how I got into the debate, which took another dimension when I claimed Vidal was the best midfielder in the world. Elampiro disagreed and said it was Yaya Toure and that was how I got locked into a debate with Elampiro and the rest of the United clan.

Things got interesting when I called Yaya a flat-track bully( that was where the Zlatan, Messi and Ororo post came in) and made a comment about EPL fans being fanboys. That was you and Ritchboy stepped in. You were still using your GustavoFring moniker at that time, I think. Believe me I'm shocked.

neezar:
Even the club sef ain't good in giving out awards....Whoscored or Manchester evening news should be the one handling the player of the month award ahbi??

Itibolibo.....Calm down and Learn football

Jemi7:
Elampiro shut up and go to bed, You Don dey old dey talk so many nonsense

Elxandre:
Let us hear word jare.

When Jose was labeling him a loser last season, he didn't care about the English media abi?

Shaw is far more dynamic compared to very predictable and less mobile Young.

neezar:
Shaw has been our player of the month two times now

U fit know ball so??