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nitrogen:
But Fergie used fringe players to beat Arsenal at some point, baba used Anderson and Cleverly to win the league!

How come Mourinho couldn't use the listed players to beat Brighton? As in Brighton, not Chelsea o!

You can do that after you have built a stable team over the years.

Anderson and Cleverley were not fringe players. Anderson was a key player from 2007/2008. He and Nani. Rafael was very good right back, he sent Garry Neville to retirement.

Adisaowalla:


If anyone needs further proof to show that Elampiro has been trolling us since, the person is on his own.

I am not sure you played football, so you wont understand.

nitrogen:
Okay, the team that played today, so Fred, Mata, Martial, Bailey, Lindelof, Shaw, Perriera and De Gea played at the finals of the world cup? Infact Degea saved a penalty against Croatia/France while Shaw lifted the world cup trophy.....

Elampiro, go and sleep joor, tomorrow is Monday!

All these players you mentioned, how many were starters last season? And you added Martial who was indiscipline to over stay his vacation.

slimghost:
Wow, so City and Spurs players didn't get the break?.
I think you are missing the point. The fact is that your scam has no pattern of play and is super clueless which rubs off on players. That's why most of the players are looking overrated to you.

I don't expect you to understand that our senior players were not in Preseason, which is unique problem to us. Martial added his own. Match, Valencia and Sanchez are injured.

patrickmuf:
Lack of fitness? We were disjointed in our play something you can't attribute to lack of fitness, we have not made any progress with Mou, he should leave ASAP

That is lack of fitness if you know ball.

Their body is not free and flexible enough yet. They are yet to exercise enough to get match rythm.

codedguy1:
Na only our players go worldcup and Wifey born pikin?

If you have almost all your senior players in the world cup quarter final and semi final, the other ones should resume quickly because those who went to world world need rest and slow start to the season.

nitrogen:
But Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea players were not at the world cup, they were on honeymoon!

Shebi Na only Martial wife put to bed very recently, Abi? Meanwhile, the boy resumed some days after his wife put to bed, not like he was away for one month!

Look at the number of our senior players at the world cup semi finals, unlike Liverpool whose players were knockout early.

Manchester United had the highest number of players in world cup quarter final and semi final.

How many of our regulars were at the Preseason? Those who were there got injured.

slimghost:
In Zizou's young career so far, he has proven he doesn't need to 'spend' to win trophies and play beautiful football.
Something your Mourinho cannot manage right now.

Proven in which club? Please don't mention Madrid with Ronaldo, Ramos, Marcelo, Isco, Modric, etc. Mourinho started that work sef.

Tell me where else Zidane has done it. This was same theory we used in rating Van Gaal when Arjen Robben was carrying Holland.

patrickmuf:
Mourinho should get the sack, he has lost the support of the players from what I observed today...We were second best to every ball...

That was due to lack of fitness of the senior players.

I know what it means to try to play ball after like one or two months break. You will not be able to trap ball sef. Control and passing will be hard. Look at Martial today after his 'maternity' leave.

But these guys will play well from about two weeks from now.

slimghost:
The scam has spent over £300m and we have not seen anything to show for it. No sane board would trust that guy with spending again.
Let him show ROI on what he has spent already. fraud!

You will still say this about Zidane in two years to come.

It was same with Moyes and Gaal.

Adisaowalla:

now I know you have started with your usual jokes again

Which one be jokes?

slimghost:
Mourinho inherited a team of FA cup champions, was given enough funds and 3 long years to build a team.
Please how long does it take to teach your players how to pass to one another?
How long does it take to build a system of play?.What system of play would you call what Mourinho serves us weekly?.
There is no way to spin this, this team has regressed badly and for the amount spent so far, Mourinho should be hanged.

What is FA Cup? Lucky game.

Mourinho finished second last season with 81 points. Same points Leicester won the league with.

Give him money to buy players to compete and motivate even the players already on ground, they refused.

nitrogen:
Nawa o. Look at it from this angle, if Mourinho was a manager that doesn't look for short term fixes, then one could fuxking allow him to buy for three consecutive seasons, without winning anything. Shey he is building a team that will dominate for close to a decade.

But how can we have a team for the next decade when baba wants to be buying 29 year old players? Am sure the board forced him to buy young players sef. Give him all the monies in this world, he will go ahead and buy mercenaries, win trophies, take us back to the ground floor, and disappear.

It took Pep one year to build a team, and trust me, except others step up, his team will dominate for at least five years, if not more.

Mourinho is done and dusted, he should be sacked as soon as possible, before we become a mid-table club!

The Pep team can collapse even this season. Football is not what you think. Seasons are not won or lost in first weeks.

Pep was ready for last season, but when United were playing better, he quickly went to buy more players before September 1st.

slimghost:
Can't see any insult there jare. I have tried to stay off this Mourinho argument as it pisses me off greatly.

Anyway, it's time to quit watching this team as long as the special scam is still there.

You used mention sanity. Is that not insult.

slimghost:
That tells you that 'spending' alone doesn't cut it. City were spending a lot under wrong managers until they decided to go for quality in Pep. That being said, there is no much difference between what both managers have spent so far at both clubs.
The difference is that while one knows how to improve and make players effective, the other is super clueless.
What's the need paying that idiot so much when we can just hire Tony Pulis and open the vault for him. I am sure he would win trophies with 11 world class players starting in his team every week.

It is not what they spent, but what they met on ground. Between 2012/13 and 201572016 did City not win the league? Did City not finish above United in the league every season? Did City not finish in the UCL semi final?

In that period, United finished out of top 4 position twice.

How many times has

slimghost:
Nonsense! Martial became overated under Mourinho, Raahford became overated under Mourinho, Sanchez looking overrated under Mourinho, Pogba became overated under Mourinho.
The joke is really on you. Put this present UTD team side by side with Spurs or Liverpool and see that there is no much difference in quality. Guess the difference? we have a very clueless Manager who has past his best by years.

Be mindful of your words. Don't insult people.

nitrogen:
Baba, I don't understand you, Mourinho bought players Na, He bought Lukaku, Sanchez, Pogba, Fred, Matic, Bailey, Lindelof, Dalot. Eight players, that's almost a team. He should use them to win the league Na!

Meanwhile, the Real Madrid team that won four champions league in five seasons, was it not Mourinho's team? how come he could only win the league once in three seasons with the same players? No champions league! Why was he bundled out of Madrid?

At Chelsea, Conte used Mourinho's team (he only added 2-3 players) to win the league.

Mourinho no sabi again jare,

How many players did Ferguson buy in his first 3 seasons at United. Why did he not win the league with them?

slimghost:
Are you being sarcastic here or just one of those nights for you? What sort of flawed reasoning is this?. Money for buying players not coming forth? Mourinho working hard?.
Dude please just go and sleep please.

The players are mostly average. The more we watch Martial, the more we see he is overrated.

Ferguson was the one who left a big gap in succession plan.

Adisaowalla:
Mourihno's net spend in just over 2 years at the club is a whopping £302m - the irony is that na him buy those 2 CBs wey you dey slander today so I really don't get your point.

Common - Are you saying that a team parading the likes of Pogba, Matic, Martial, Lukaku , Sanchez etc isn't good enough to mount a credible title challenge with good football?? How exactly are the likes of laporte, stones etc @ city even better than our CBs?



Mourihno is failing us big time & he had better shape up or ship out!!!

The team will do better when players get fit. But these players are not world beaters.

Money spent not an issue because City has been spending since about 10 years to get to where they are. Remember the likes if Robinho, Adebayo, Lescot, Dzeko, Baloteli, Miner, Zabeleta, Clinchy, Nasri, and dozens more who were used for experiment before they won their first EPL title. Ferguson's refusal to spend is what other coaches who came after him are suffering. It would have still be okay if he bought such players like Lucas Moura, Hazard and Aguero. He always wanted cheap alternatives.

A team that Lingard is the most consistent attacking player, me no see wetin the coach fit do to make it a world beater.

nitrogen:
Really? How many players did Zidane buy to win three champions League trophies?

Mourinho has bought about 11 players(spending over 450m in the process) since he joined Man Utd.

Who likes to buy mercenaries to win at all cost? Who looks for short term fixes?

And you think that man Utd don't have funds to give to Mourinho? No? The board is just tired, how can a manager that wants to be around for a while be spending funds on 29/30 year old players? It's fuvking absurd!

How can you compare that Madrid team and Barca team to any other?

Why are we still keeping Darmian and Lindelof?

It looks to me Rojo is better than Shaw on the left wing. Where is Blind sef? Have we sold him? Blind over Lindelof in the middle. Rojo and Blind over Shaw. Shaw is defencient going forward with flair. He only run with the he ball, but passing is laboured.

nitrogen:
Who self motivation and love for the game EPP? Real Madrid is a big club, the management don't care about love for the game, you mess up, they axe you! Gone are the days when you have same manager manage a club for decades.

We need trophies and good football, if the only way to get both is to keep getting a new manager every three years, so be it!

Mourinho's passion and tactics are not good for the club!

How many coaches will succeed with these players? How many will still be self motivated and self believing to work hard as Mourinho when things are not working out well and money to buy players not forth coming? Zidane will just resign.

codedguy1:
They are still more, among 4 we have 2british CBs.

Smalling and Jones have not exactly covered themselves in glory with their playing style not to talk about their fitness.

They would be talked about more because in most of our pairing one of them would be there and most often do something stupid.

We rarely see a Bailly lindeloff cb pairing like we did today.

So please, abeg leave this British thing wey you dey talk.

We can also argue that whenever a British player does anything of note or just shows a glimpse of brilliance the media go over hype the player.

It goes both ways.

Smalling and Jones never gave us this horrible defending we got from Bailly and Lindelof in the last two games.

Again, Jones and Smalling don't do more 'stupid' thing than Bailly. They own always get more exaggerated here because they are Brits.

nitrogen:
Elampiro, please tell me, is Mourinho the right manager for Manchester United?

Moyes - Not right manager

Gaal - Not right manager

Mourinho - Not right manager

Zidane - after two years 'sack the idiyot


It will be very hard to see coach with passion for the game as Mourinho and one who wants to win every game. His self motivation and love for the game is good for the club.

codedguy1:
The press generally or we here on nairaland.

Because I know that no defender is spared here British or not. From Valencia to lindeloff to Damian and come to think of it why would the criticism s of the British defenders not be loud at united when we have young, shaw, Jones and smalling no be them plenty pass.

I am mostly talking about the central defenders. If they cause a penalty or an own goal, it has to be because they are British. Yet these guys put in a good shift when fit.

Afolabi6046:
so you lost because Matic, Valencia and Sanchez didn't play abi? issokay

The team is not fit because the senior players didn’t play Preseason. Those who could have helped are injured.

codedguy1:
I agree his partnership with Jones was our best period at that time but again we are supposed to play defenders that compliment each other.

Are there stats to show Jones read the game better.

They both got injured or Jones got injured in his dream?

I don't know who got injured first, but when Lindelof came for one of them, our calamity started.

codedguy1:
He has been fairly OK for us especially with interceptions and critical blocks during the course of last season and I believe he can do better. Players can be have their fair share of off days.

But Today's own was appalling to say the least.

Which last season? Bailly started only 11 league matches last season and had just 1000 minutes.