₦airaland Forum

Genuflect:
El razur, your points are too idealistic. These are people with emotions; they are not robots. Rap is and will always be competitive. Everybody is gunning for the throne so a few egos are definitely gonna be tampered with. Fans are only being fans and want their favorite artists to outshine others, not as if they wish them bad in real life. And please take your own advice, stop comparing Naija Music Industry and Nairaland to Yankee's own. Cos I noticed you rebuked Legend when he did the same

Rap can be competitive without beefs. I thought I made that clear.

What is the throne people are gunning for? Awards? Or selling records? I think EMI is concerned about your record sales and not how many beefs or street cred one takes. I have a feeling Sony signs an artist as a form of investment and to make profit. Not to be making diss tracks that hardly gets air play etc. No?

If it is all about selling records, then I am of the belief that it can be done without beefs and diss.


I have stayed away from comparing US with naija as much as I can.

Legendaire:
There is nothing wrong with beef . . .it's good for the industry.

First of all it helps to keep artistes on their toes because they know their fellow artistes are judging them.
I don't know about you guys, but economists agree that competition is really good for industry.

How is beef good for the industry? No offence, but the music industry is about making money and the big record label are in it for the money, not for these "street cred" most rappers seek lately. Street cred do not pay bills.

No beef do no make Artist keep on their toes. If you know the history of hiphop, you should know that mc that do freestyle battle, do it for this reason - i.e keep them on their toes, but it is not the same as beef. In other words, battle rapping is not the same as beefing.

Then we need to realise that some artistes . . . need anger to touch one creative side of their soul that nothing else can.
Even from the stage of subliminals that leave the audience wondering who exactly the artiste is referring to . . . it's smart and highly creative.

If you need anger to touch your creative side - anger from something as pathetic as beef, then perhaps you should not be in the music industry? Like I said, careers based on beef are short lived and beef is not what pays the bill or make the record label stick with an artist.

'When I diss-a-baba . . . it ain't Ethopia.' - Modenine

Elementary word play at best.

Now let's leave the creativity and check out the intrigue . . . afterall the point of releasing albums is to impress the consumer??.

No the point of an album is to showcase what one can do as an artist. A good album musically and in every other sense may not impress consumer you see.

Beef songs like Hit Em Up and Ether have come to be accepted as glorious moments in music history, what's more fun than listening to those words . . . 'you claim to be a player but I f**ed your wife'.

How is it a glorious moment. I feel like asking you how old you are to be honest. The song had many backlash and what was the out come? How many people died as a result of unnecessary songs like that? Where are they today?

What's more fun than knowing The Game's next album will have a track for Jay-Z??

May be to you, but some of us look beyond a diss track. Clearly not your kind.

Even as much as I don't wanna admit, Eminem has probably done more for the hiphop industry than any other rapper . . . through beef

We all know that he's the most recognisable face in hiphop . . . bar none. . . half his career is beef-based.

I think we are moving away from the point I am trying to address. I am talking about Nigeria music scene and Nairaland [refer back to my original post] Can we keep it at that please.

altavista:
@ Elrazur
I'm back with my review of your previous 3 beats.
1. NAIJATION - Beat wasn't defined and sounded largely experimental to me. d many sound effects (Horror, laughter, thunder, broken glass, fighting sounds etc) didn't blend very well togeda &kinda distracted from d beat. Having said dis, I think it would have been an excellent beat if u had kept it strictly musical. I loved the roll of d drums & all d other instruments used in d beat. I doubt dis beat will go well with a real song cos it won't be easy for an artistes to lace lyrics and flow with d beat. ALL in ALL, it was Ok but NOT AS A MUSIC BEAT.

2. WESTCOAST - Dis was a Massive, Massive improvement on Naijation. D beat is well defined to a genre, it's soothing, soulful, relaxing & there is perfect harmony between d df'rent sounds as dey flowed seamlessly into each other. . .from d drum to d trumpets to your voice effect to d dj scratching/effects, everything was ON POINT. Guy, chop knuckle for dis beat. I'M IMPRESSED.

3. AFROBEAT - I DON'T THINK A BEAT CAN COME BETTER OR MORE DEFINED THAN DIS. . .dIS IS PURE AFROBEAT!!! D BEAT THROWS U OFF your CHAIR AND ONTO your FEET & GETS U DANCING IMMEDIATIELY. D BEAT IS VERY MELODIUS AND SWEET TOO. U JUST HAVE TO WORK ON MAKING your VOCALS CLEAR AND ON TOP OF THE BEAT AND NOT IN D BACKGROUND. EVERYONE IN MY OFFICE WAS FEELING THIS BEAT. .dIS IS THE BEST OF ALL your BEATS.

Truly, dat Naija-Hiphop hybrid beat must have been a bad day in da office.

Thank you. Thank you for remaining true to your words i.e promised to get back and you did. I appreciate all your comments.

Just as a reminder, the following people are in.



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It is a collective decisions. You need to take into consideration that these things takes planning etc. If you want me to put you down, then sure why not. If the decision is to use South East, I see nothing wrong with it. There are good place and bad place - just like anywhere in the world.

^^

Are you interested or just adding to your post count?

ofokaofoki:
This is totally beyond our control, whether u write from now to eternity , this things will still exist.
maybe RM feels insecured about the mode9 album , he has a right to put whatever he likes, my only issue is that he didnt reply death blow lyrically, all this facebook this fakebook that dont have any meaning. put it in a song. word.!

That is not always true. As they say, evil flourish when good men do nothing. The only reason this trend is carrying on is because the consumer are not doing enough. I.e, if we demand better from those who pay to hear their album, see their shows etc, they will make changes.

RM in my opinion have nothing to worry about, there comes a point in the career of every person that you just have to move aside for someone else. Something a lot of people just do not seem to get. You can claim to be the best this and pioneered this etc, but there comes a time in point that there will be always someone new and perhaps "better" or at least preferred on the block. RM have cemented his status as one of the Good things to come of Niaja rap, he need to destroy it with silly things like what he did in my opinion.

as per your original post, whether u talk to them from now to forever they wont hear, these are fans that think mode is better than anyone else, and they wont change their thinking. have u asked them why they rep mode till infinity??

I am not too bothered about raising my views and concerns and people not listening. It is a free world and as such people have the right to do what they want, same way I have the right to raise issues and give concern.

It will be a shame if this beef this, diss that crosses over to Murder, Murder, Kill, Kill. Just ask America.

one mans point of view doesnt mean everyone is a fool, there are no fools anywhere belief me. and u cant force your opinion down anybodys throat. if they all like modenine good for mode, ! all this fb status ranting is meaningless to me.,

I am not sure you understand my points. People can debate who is better from now till the end of time, however the fact remains - there is room for everyone. So it goes back to square one, is it worth diss and beef, when there is enough room for all?

MJ is your best bet in my opinion. Listen to his chorus, it is never far from the starting key and always come back on the starting key or close. You many need a keyboard to understand what am saying.

Also have a look on you tube, there are a few videos showing how to make melodies etc.

Oh nate dogg may be a good one to study too. He is very good at singing catchy hooks etc.

I am not sure what genre you are into.

You may want to study "Rose that Grew out of concrete" series of poems by shakur - Look for the written one and not the one performed.

Michael Jackson's album is pretty much a work in itself. But I find "History" very interesting.

Rakim, Nas, CanIbus, Grand Master Flash I find connecting with me on a deeper level. I am not sure if they will appeal to you.

Country music may be of interest as they are great at telling a story.

Then some Iconic old school like Liberace, Nancy Sinatra, Sinatra himself etc.

If you are into Naija music, you may want to check out works of Dele Abiodun, Victor Owafio, Segun Adewale etc.

Again, is all dependant on you and what appeal to you I guess.

Apologies, no vex. Yes song can be written without piano. You have to let it come from the soul, follow a rhythm and touch a subject. The best song are usually those telling a story - a flowing story, not just some disjointed, half baked rhymes. Well that is my approach, but you gotta find what works for you.

It may be worth studying the works of very good song writers too.

Genuflect:
The only bit I got in your last post is you are creating a new thread on how to play pianos. Will be waiting for it

Oga, you cannot learn these things in that way - well not the best approach.

If you want my point of view, I will suggest you buy a Casio keyboard [can't remember the model number but can dig it out for you if you are interested] This one have a teaching mode and will play a song and light the keyboard, its also got a basics of music theory bundled with it too.

You have listened to my tracks right, and can you tell if I can play the keyboard or not? Probably not. It is all self taught and improvising, plus reading up on things here and there. The best way is to get an actual hands on experience. It will make more sense. Trust me.

tavarez:
ofoxxxyyyyy i dey feel you jooooo, very true, Do you know the intelectual capacity of these Nigerian rappers or entertainers as a whole, them Ebenezer Obey and Sunny Ade didnt have things like Twitter,Facebook and Bebo to distract them, do you know how long nigerian entertainers tweet and retweet all sorts of nonsense, i get a mighty laugh some times seeing these status updates from so called intellectual emcees, look [size=20pt]theres only a handful of intelligent Nigerian entertainers and thier Lyrical content says it all[/size], please like oFoxxxy said Cast the first stone lets see,



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I am not sure I get your point here. But I can agree with you as per the handful comment.

As an Artist, your every move is scrutinised. Just ask anyone in the spot light. And as most will say, it is a price they will pay as long as they remain in the spotlight.

I dunno what your definition of intelligence is, but I find it hard to take anyone who make a status like RM did serious. I find it hard to take any artist who feels the need to drop a diss song every now and then serious. Honestly, it is not all what hiphop is about or the music industry is about.

While sunny ade and co do not have social media to distract them, I think you will find that there are Social outlets that could distract them, but they never let it did. They let their music did the speaking - something that is lacking in most of our new generation artist lately. In fact, Social media outlets have always been around, only that its medium or sources changed, but it is still the same thing.

How many times you heard Sunny passed a negative comment about Obey? If anything, they appear to have admiration for each other.

The market is big enough for creativity and the need to result to disses to sell record is a weakness in my opinion. The need to refer to your enemy and haters is just pure drivel. Sucks to be honest.

As for mentioning names, I am not about to get into drivel with people who make nothing but drivel post. I am sure you know those who my original post is talking about as an Artist etc.

Music theory is one of the things anyone who wants to do music needs to learn. I looked up the other day and from time to time I go there to check again. I recently ordered a book that makes it simplified.

The music theory is not an easy thing to just read an comprehend all in one go as one have to get hands on practice etc.

As for writing a song, I am not sure it can be taught. I am of the belief that some things comes naturally and when taught, it feels mechanised.

I agree man, only that it is not always so. I.e you expect people to get tired of the beef, but this thing just keep going on and on. I am making a bold prediction that someone will get shot at some point if it is not curtailed now. After all, some cats in naija are already talking about their "Gangsta life" what is to stop them from living out that fantasy?

The Status update from RM is disappointing to be honest. It is even more disappointing that people seem to be thinking it is an okay thing to do. Where is the blooming common sense. While I am not a mad fan of any naija artist, I am like you, if the thing good I go listen to am, if na trash I no go listen again.


I really just wish we engage more in creativity. I checked him out a bit on twitter, but I am not really keen as I do not find him challenging. It would be nice if people learn from folks like Ryan Leslie. This dude engages with fan on twitter and facebook, but in a different way. For example, if he give a show he may asked for feed backs etc. When is about to give one, he may do competition to give away free tickets etc. I think the last one he did was for a lucky fan to see how he works in a studio for a day - all expenses paid.

This Ryan Leslie na Harvard graduate and since I have followed him, I never heard him use profanities, txt spk or silly status update. I think he's got over 25k or so people following him. From my point of view, people should learn from him. He talks about doing good in the community and lets his music do the talking. I am sure you probably heard of him or his works. RM in my opinion can learn from people like that.