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Emeagwali previous thread on Nairaland.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-177876.0.html


Kai. Didn't realise this matter have been done to death on here.

lmao.

Aloy+Emeka:
That is the premise for El-Haters arguement and SefOgo's. All they do is look at the name and pass judgment. EL-Hater who claims not to be an ordinary nairalander yet he  was making fun of a murder victim even assumed I am Igbo and at a point, he couldn't  stomach it. I bet you, If Barrack Obama is Nigerian, rival tribalists will make sure they scandalize his name wherever they can and discredit him among Americans until he fails the election. The country is in ethnic shambles.

Let me guess, your arguments are weak, feeling frustrated and see the need to clutch some more straws right?

Yes I made a joke in a thread that requires sensitivity. I also apologised. Something you are failing to mention. Gosh, you must be desperate for something to say. I won't bother replying to you on this one.

To try and turn this into a tribal thing is a joke on you. Clearly, you arguments are weak and it appears you needed something to save face. Keep it up, the joke is on you.

Aloy+Emeka:
Didn't you assert initially that you are not disagreeing with him because of his Nigerianess and I replied by claiming that it is part of it. Can I get one credible site/ academic report that disagrees with his work apart from these junk pages that may infect my computer with virus. Anybody can write any thrash, create a URL for it and post it on the web. Damn, that page does not have a single author.

Huh. I am not taking him serious is my stance. I am not sure if that can be made any clearer.

You have rejected every proof handed over to you. Sorry, what will be credible to you?  Are you saying you ain't opening a page because you think you may be infected?   What an excuse.

Look, here are the reasons his claims as father of the internet are misleading. He worked on connection machine - used for A.I et al. But then, his work have no bearing on the internet and as such he is not the father of internet. Surely, all you have to do his read up what he worked on and its application. Critical thinking and all that.

I am not Emeagwali's fan if I may let you know but my stance is this: If his claim is fraudulent, why has he continued to receive awards with them and bought himself cheap popularity in the US whilst a professor in a renowned American university?. I can understand him making fraudulent claims on his website like anybody may do but getting renowned awards and audience from BBC and CNN is another story. There is a missing link here. It's either you and me do not get a grip of his claim or something is wrong.

I don't remember saying he is fraudulent. If I did, excuse me. I think my point is his claims are misleading. You appear to get defensive the instant I posted the original wiki links etc.

Again you are missing the point. He appeared on BBC to speak about computing and Africa and not how the internet was invented or how he became the father of the internet. I am not sure why you keep coming across like his interview on BBC proved his claims are not misleading.

So wait, you admitted he made "fraudulent claims" on his website? So what is your problem when I am trying to say his claims are misleading? I am not sure about you, but allow me to speak for myself. His website claims he is the father of internet, when in actual fact what he worked on was never the basis or used to invent the internet. That is the point. I think it is you missing the point.

YOU CANNOT TAKE A SCIENTIFIC PROPAGANDA TO A RENOWNED MEDIA HOUSE IN TODAY'S WORLD OTHERWISE THEY WILL DISGRACE YOU. BBC is not NTA, they usually do extensive research and when in doubt, they state it clearly that the claim is unverified. They do so for dear of litigation and what their competitors might do to them if discovered.

You are just saying something irrelevant now. Again he gave a three minute interview on what he foresees happening in the Africa about internet etc, not about how the internet was invented. How is that taking "propaganda" [let's assume that was the right word to use]

Again, please take on board what I am saying. BBC have interviewed a few controversial people. They are a media outlet and it is what they do - Give balance.

If you are convinced that Emeagwali is a fraud, you may forward your credible proof to CNN and AP; I am sure they will give you some change and eventually nail BBC to the wall with that story but don't forward Wikipedia or Botell to them. It will make you look like a fool.

Stop jumping please. I am yet to say he is a fraud. I am saying his claims are misleading. Please refer back to the explanation I gave already.

It is your problem and prerogative if you wont accept links provided to you and not mine

Please put your thinking cap on, look at what he it was reported he won the award for and what he worked on. None of these have bearing on the internet like he claimed. You do not need certified author to look these things up.

Aloy+Emeka:
Everything in nairaland boils down to tribe. Who told you am Igbo?. You've just explained why you post junk letters written by the likes of Becomerich to prove your point. Ndo. 

Here let me give you a simple tip. When ever I used this smiley here -----> <----- [this one] please do not take that post  serious. It is a joke. Especially, when it is obvious it is a joke. Besides, I showed some seriousness by saying "Seriously.    .     .    ." but it appears once again you left that one out.

EzeUche:
You see people are trying to attack because he is Igbo. If he was Yoruba, they would not be saying anything.

Why do I want to be in a nation for of haters on the Igbo?

I even seen people on Nairaland mock the great Chinua Achebe. Yeye fools.

No I am not taking him serious because his interview missed a lot of factors and his claims as a scientist are misleading.

Chinua Achebe, I have 100% respect for. He is a writer and a damn good one too. Don't care if he is igbo hausa or Togolese.

Anyone who mock Achebe should be shot.

olafolarin:
Some folks are just too proud of that fraud called Emeagwali, His PhD thesis was even rejected and he makes so much noise,

Aloy Emeka = Igbo

Emagwelu philips = Igbo

You do the maths.




Seriously, I won't call him a fraud, but his claims are misleading [which in the eyes of some will make him a fraud].

Tippy Top:
Was it the followers (Lagosians) who made Gov Fashola achieve so much in so little time. Why do you come across as drunk? Are you an alcoholic?

You still are missing the bigger picture. The progress of a society - not just socio-structural amenities - is dependent on the people. Not just the leader.

A leader can build plenty public toilet, but if the people will keep sh!tting on the road side, it is useless. A leader can build 100 fire stations but if the same mind set of non-maintenance continues, it will be back to square one. Surely, it is not hard to understand these things? Nah wah o.



Please think out side the box. Remember, there is no box.

REAL TRUTH:
Scientific point of view,,emeagwali is right,,but realistically and practical point of view,,,he is wrong.

One of the many things that came to my mind.

I am not sure he takes into consideration a lot of factors.

Aloy+Emeka:
I honestly do not understand what you are blabbing.  Is it that you disagree with his claims that Nigeria will be a giant net consumer by 2050 or he is fraudulent.

If he is fraudulent, provide proof beyond WikI since you are not an average Nairalander[another internet claim]. I will agree on you not being an average Nairalander though because average Nairalanders do empathize with other when they lose loved ones to the cold hands of death and not by making mockery of them.

What was your question again that I am yet to answer because you sound like someone groping for air?

If you take time to read, perhaps it may actually sink in? Just a thought.

I am not taking his claims serious was my stance. There is a difference between not taking someone serious and disagreeing with them.

You have stated people drag his name to the mud, I have asked you to explain this. Hopefully you will.

He's promoted himself as the Father of the internet, even though this claims are not true in the slightest. The internet already already existed in a format in which his works was not needed or ever used. So, why go around to promote yourself on something that you did not have a handiwork in.

Here is Philip making his claims [Taken from his own website]

http://emeagwali.com/speeches/2009/Switzerland_April-17-2009/please-allow-me-to-introduce-myself_PHILIP-EMEAGWALI.pdf


Here is the proper explanation of what he really did and how it he is not the father of the internet.

http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/history/emeagwali.html


Those are just a few I looked up. Then there are other factors that suggest he cannot be taken serious.

Oh it may be worth that his appearance on BBC is more to do with his "Editorial tour" i.e speaking events etc. that is on his website. As of April 2010, he is meant to be speaking on "The future of internet and computing". Perhaps we are seeing exactly that now? [promoting himself etc]

As for the rest of your post, you claim am spoiling for air, yet you seem hell bent on bringing up some issue that you forgot to mention that I apologised for. How nice of you. Please don't be clutching for straws next time.

bawomolo:
i don't know what's wrong with being a cleaner or security guard while trying to get your education in order.

there are many students who do odd jobs to survive.

You must be one of the olodos then. From what I know, the streets of England and US are paved with diamond and the gutters littered with gold. All you gotta do is pick 'em up. Fact. Just ask any Nigerian back home.

Aloy+Emeka:
Can you approach me with a more intelligent discourse please. This topic has been beaten to death here overtime. How dare you use wikipedia as a source of reference?. Did you go to school at all?. Personally, I have created two approved wikipedia profiles and the whole information there are limited to what I think/believe about the person. Do the math.

If you are a student, don't ever cite any wikipedia source in your thesis because you will score ZERO.

Home boy slow down a minute.

Firstly, I am not your average nairalander you  can direct such drivel at.

Secondly, I have asked you repeated questions that you are yet to answer. And you wanna talk about intelligence?

Thirdly, the thing what you do not appear to understand is that Wiki can be good for a quick background check - they always give a source to where the information was taken from. In the case of this guy, there are referenced sources - just like you will find in any academic presentation.

Finally, this is not an academic environment, but an on-line forum. It is almost 1am here and quoting wiki for a quick reference is not a crime. It may be worth adding that I watched the interview before I made my post and in my opinion, I just do not take him serious. Something you seem to have an issue with.

ebogentle:
@Elrazur, you have echoed my thoughts almost perfectly. Especially where you talked about nairaland music standards and the other guy who was attempting to talk about role models without even an inclination to its meaning.

Styl-plus still has my respect anyday. Atleast i understand them lyrically(which is more than i can say for most other artists, especially the ones living a lavish lifestyle).
That's all i have to say on this topic.

Thanks. It can be a scream in space when posting common sense here - no one hears you. lol.

Aloy+Emeka:
The BBC just interviewed him now and reported it as headline on their website. Which other media is more credible than the BBC and AP?

A lot of controversial people have been interviewed by the media. The media have to be seen to give a balance etc.

Please explain to me as to how Nigerians are dragging him to the mud.

Here is a quick wiki on him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali#Court_case

Emeagwali received the $1,000[2]  1989 Gordon Bell Prize, based on an application of the CM-2 massively-parallel computer for oil-reservoir modeling. He won in the "price/performance" category, with a performance figure of 400 Mflops/$1M, corresponding to an absolute performance of 3.1 Gflops. (The winning entry in the "peak performance" category that year – coincidentally also for oil-related seismic data processing on a CM-2 – actually achieved 6 Gflops, or 500 Mflops/$1M, but the judges decided not to award both prizes to the same team.)[3][4]  This simulation was the first program to apply a pseudo-time approach to reservoir modeling.[5]

Apart from the prize itself, there is no evidence that Emeagwali's work was ever accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, nor that it had any other lasting impact on the field of high-performance computing or the development of the Internet.[6] Neither does he hold any recognized patents for his results.[7] (He does, however, own a US trademark for his website name, "EMEAGWALI.COM".)[8] Nevertheless, Emeagwali was voted the "35th-greatest African (and greatest African scientist) of all time" in a survey by New African magazine.[9] His achievements were quoted in a speech by Bill Clinton as an example of what Nigerians could achieve when given the opportunity.[10] He is also a frequent feature of Black History Month articles in the popular press.

Emeagwali studied for a Ph.D. degree from the University of Michigan from 1987 through 1991. His thesis was not accepted by a committee of internal and external examiners and thus he was not awarded the degree. Emeagwali filed a court challenge, stating that the decision was a violation of his civil rights and that the university had discriminated against him in several ways because of his race. The court challenge was dismissed, as was an appeal to the Michigan state Court of Appeals.

I suppose the white man wrote that one to discredit am abi?

Aloy+Emeka:
It is; Its only Nigerians who try to drag him to the mud. If his claims are not genuine, do you think CNN and BBC will ever give him audience without making fun of him?. They will rip him apart before 100 million viewers worldwide and insult him appropriately especially when he is black African.

I am not sure how Nigerians drag him to mud. Do you mind explaining?

You are right, the media can tear him down, but then the other argument is that perhaps the media is not focused on him. How many people really knows him?

Please see beyond this race and skin colour thing.

Tippy Top:
You need a good leader to change the status quo my friend.

PS
What is the state of mind of Nigerians?

Do you have a one track mind. Try and think outside the box. . . . In fact, think without the box.

A good leader is just not what we need. That is my point. A leader is as good as the followers.

Nigerians are not ready for change, but I am not sure you understand that little point.

Let us not derail this thread. Create a new thread and we can discuss this further.

Tippy Top:
Its a shame many left Nigeria to further their education but ended up as Cleaners, Taxi drivers, Security guards, Pros.titutes the list is endless.

The moral of the above is, make sure your kids, brothers, sisters etc don't end up like those above.
Help to build Nigeria by saying no to corrupt leaders.

Perhaps if the standard of education is up to scratch from where they are coming from, perhaps they may get better job?

Nigeria is not about corrupt leader, but the state of mind of the people.

He fails on the basis of making crazy assumptions etc. His importance is over stated and I am not sure I will listen to someone like him. And no, this is not because he is Nigerian.

~Bluetooth:
does that justify kidanapping innocent people for ransome and in some cases,victims are killed

Read up on Kidnapping in Mexico and perhaps you may understand what am talking about.

Not sure anyone is giving justification.

I am not so sure I take him serious.

Hardtalk:
With this figure, and current events (unemployment etc) in this country, will kidnapping ever end in Nigeria?

Nigeria is the New Mexico.

The problem is compounded by our unregulated population. This will just see things getting harder and harder, and most likely we end in vicious cycle, until something dramatic happens.

Yeah am good. Hope you are too.

Yoruba for "Area Father"

OMO IBO:
Born in Nigeria.

Parents started thinking of shipping me over here when my secondary school chick dumped me for an older guy.
Bloody B1.tch!

They finally got me on the next available flight the moment they thought i was hanging out with bad guys and keeping late nights.

Been here ever since.

Only for you to get to the UK and become CEO.

Chief Executive Omo'ta

tosinaded@:
He did wut most nigerians now see as a normal thing!

90% of nigerians abroad,used fake papers

#itsnaija

Really?

@Topic

Praise da lord. He works in a mysterious way.

Blue Magic:
got dumped twice!

Fixed.

Ugly boy.

Eddeux:

yes, we are also behind the future collapse of your country. It's just that your average day citizens and some politicians don't have the wits to realize it yet

"Your country"? Brother please. I am a Ghanaian.

blacksta:
Definitely for better education and also to avoid University cultism ,

You wan join? lol

Thanks.

The remake will be good in my opinion. The original was based on weak effects and it looked superb back then, now imagine what they can do with it at this point in time.

PS
BBQ plan is on. Heads up. [See meeting up and dating section]

Did you watch this film like me when growing up in Naija? Remember Pegasus, Medusa and co? OMG I was totally blown away when I watched this back in Nigeria and now the remake is coming to the cinema screens on April 2.  All true fan of the original need to watch this.

There are better effect, more polished story and did I say better effects? Oh it is coming to cinema in 3-d too [Not that am keen on the 3-d version though]

Man, I have to go and find the classic one and watch it again. I really cannot wait for the new one to hit cinemas.

Just have a look at the trailers here. [Can someone please insert this? Thanks]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXttqg0RWU8

It looks awesome.

lmao! No one can top that.

frosbel:
Did you also hear that America was behind Boko Haram and the Jos massacre ?

Its amazing what the CIA can do !!!

I heard they threatened seun, hence why the poll was changed. Bloody amerikkans.

Haven't you heard? The US is behind everything. I am sure it is the US who posted the message originally.

Down with Amerikka! AllahuAkbar.

Born here. Grew up here partly, I guess it makes sense to come back here?

Lmao@ Akata women.