₦airaland Forum

Jakumo:
Nigeria certainly is not the United States, El Razor, BUT, Nigeria does CLAIM to practice a variant of democracy inspired by the American model, complete with a few colorfull characters to break the monotony of governmental debate , or to create monotony, as the situation and expediency dictates.

True.

Jakumo. He isn't one the people you are talking about bore the house with long boring speeches. Also this is Nigeria and not US.

Jakumo:
I guess my rules are a bit more lax than most, El Razur.    If a speaker misuses the English language, but manages to make me laugh like a loony with hilarious speeches, then I will always tune in to hear the next outrage.

When Grammar Master Obahiagbon speaks, I ALWAYS listen, since laughter is good for the soul.

I hear you. I wonder if you will want him to debate a topic that requires urgent push through for law making? [Assuming]

Afam:
I am not that petty. Are you blind? Are the usernames the same? Unlike you I am open minded and don't hide behind any screen name neither do I hide my tribe.

Clearly, you cannot debate without ego, bickering or trying to be condescending. The names are similar and it is not unusual for people around here to have duplicate account. All I did was asked a question - a very simple and non-offending question by the way. But then you see the need to talk about something totally irrelevant and what not.

It is nice talking to you so far. I am really not keen on bickering, pardon if I am not responding in the manner you want.

afam4eva:
I was on the verge of creating a Nigerian statistics website like 50states.com and city-data.com but noticed that there's no such thing as the tribe of a person talk less of the number of people in Onitsha, ijebu ode, Ikeja or Amaechi-Awkunanaw. Then how did they arrive at their own results.

Again CIA fact book will have errors here and there even though it says it is a fact book. I really do not see how that makes it a lie, it is more or less a publication or data error. Whether this is worth making a thread for is another story.

I'm sure you can find other sources to compile your data or information. Good luck.

kosovo:
what do mean? that i have been talking balderdash?

Oh phcuk off. You suck at basic English, let alone humour. Die and quench or something.
















Now, that is funny.

Jakumo, I did. I merely used the same logic you presented to ask you a question.  

Are you the same person as the OP?

Anyway, as far as I am concerned, if you wanna feel like you are exposing "a lie" in a publication error, please be my guest. I wonder if this will even be an issue say the figure was like 67% or something? Some of us can read in between the lines and see the real motives.

How is this worth making a thread for? From time to time in a publication there are errors and they are continuously reviewed.

The CIA assuming they are using figures provided from sources in Nigeria, perhaps the focus should be on those who provided the figure? Yes CIA got it wrong and will do again the future on other issues, but is this worth a thread for? You know, like you never make mistakes. . . . Ever?

Nice.

Jakumo:
To all who claim that the Honorable Grammar Master is failing to communicate, remember that HUMOR has the power to hold the attention of listeners who might otherwise fall asleep during legislative debates, and with fewer government officials caught snoring on camera, a re-assuring impression can be created that elected officials are living up to the expectations of the electorate.

In this regard, the Honorable Patrick Obahiagbon is a man ahead of his time, as well as one of Nigeria's most influential public figures, who can either be loved or loathed, but NEVER ignored.

I suppose Kosovo posts "communicates to you then?" If so, you must be one of the few specials ones and the majority are just thick in the head.

Do you have a source for these photographs? I am sceptical - why is the stone very white? Rock salts?

beystwin:
Animals

You are wrong. It is what Anabi Muhammed wanted! Peace be upon him.


AllahuAkbar.

Beaf:
The FBI knew how to deal with David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect.

https://img.imaginecasting.com/blog/waco.jpg

Only that those who are supposed to be equivalent of FBI are useless and only seem effective at locking innocent people.

Have you read the book "World Famous Cults and Fanatics"? It is a little booklet, but one of the funniest and most entertaining I have read. It looks at how religion from the 14th century is used a man for gain. Colin wilson is the Author.

http://www.deuceofclubs.com/books/253world_famous_cults.htm

No offence to all fans of Rugged. This is chilidsh in my opinion. Why can he not be a bigger man and ignore things like this? Clearly not, all these artist thrive on beef and disses to keep their career alive and idiotic fans are constantly fanning the flames too.

Ajali please rephrase your post. I am in between my netbook and phone for internet, so it is a bit difficult to read what you are saying.

Afam

No disputing the figures. I am just saying I do not know what they are, and I went further to say I am not surprised as the Igbos are hard working etc.


I am refusing to answer the question as it will divert attention away from the discussion at hand - something that have happened already.

By the way, by the time I posted this link [see below] out of 10 people, 6 have voted for a seperated Nigeria. That is 60%, while this is not a true indications of things, it speaks volume.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-411586.0.html

It backs my view that most of us - be it whatever tribe - want out of the whole charade called Nigeria.

Afam:
I will take it that you clearly refuse to state your tribe because your constant call for us to forget the past will be seen in the correct context.

Your tribe will in no way affect the discussion so don't use that line again.

As to your last question the concept of one Nigeria is working for me in real life because that is what Nigerians had forced my people to live with and a lot of us have adapted well into the system.

From 20 pounds by Awolowo after the war to the region with the least poverty index even without any FG support should make it clear how the Igbos have fared in Nigeria - the same country that killed them and refused them to leave.

As Ojukwu once stated, you cannot deny me the right to be a Biafran and at the same time deny me the right to be a Nigerian.

Either way the Igbos are fine, trust me. Whether in this marriage we objected to or as independent nation.

Please rephrase the first statement. I thought I did understand, but I want to make sure I DO understand what you are saying.

Moving on to your 3rd statement, you appeared to have made an error! I will hold you on to that. You stated that you want Nigeria to be one and how it is working for you. Yet you made the statement "Nigerians forced your people. . . ."
Why do you see the need to use such phrase that carries a tone of division? Furthermore, you suggested that "Your people have adapted well" Now I am putting it to you that if you are forced and as a result adapted well. If you have your choice, won't you refused to be forced any more and then find your OWN way?

I do not know the real figures for poverty index in the region, but the ingenuity and industriousness of the igbo people cannot be denied. This however, have no bearing on whether we should stay together or divide. If anything, it should work as an advantage and another reason why we should perhaps break up?


As per your last point. I see you speak for the igbos, what about the other tribes who are not keen on the marriage does their say matter? Remember I am of the opinion that people want to go their separate ways be it Igbos, Yoruba, Hausa and those who may want their independent region or smaller nations. Those who will object to it are those who are perhaps stealing from Nigeria - not talking about you, but those who are in the House of powers and very influential.


Finally, my question was aimed more as to how Nigeria as one is working for you on a personal level. Not just how the igbos have fared over the time.

muhsin:
^^^Why not buttress the OP in a categorical way and let members see (the alleged Islam brain-washing) instead of making that unnecessary whining?

Sorry I am not following you. Do you mind making things clearer?

kosovo:
That's just the basic truth.

No it isnt. If anything, we will be at a more manageable size and this will bring about accountability. And with accountability comes development.

Afam:
Where are you from? Your state or your tribe?

Igbos pushed for one Nigeria pre and post independence.

Igbos pushed for secession when a lot of things began to go wrong.

Igbos after losing the bitter war were forced to remain in Nigeria and they have done just that.

Now, you want to secede again? Secede go where? The indecision is getting out of hand.

I guess Ojukwu would be having a good laugh while taking palm wine as Nigerians complain about what he complained about some 43 years ago.

In order to remove sentiments and emotions, or not to encourage those. I think it is perhaps irrelevant to the debate at hand.

As you stated that Igbos wanted and pushed for a one nation, so also will you find that other tribes pushed for one nation too. It isn't an igbo exclusive thing. The point is that over the years, the idea of one nation is not working for many and people are more or less waking up and smelling the coffee.

I am not sure about you second to the last statement, there isn't any indecisiveness on my end here. I have remained on the same point from the beginning, which is for Nigeria to separate into smaller nations or regions.

Again, stating the same points I have tried to explain to you a couple of times or so. Just because Igbos feel hard done by issue of Biafra, it do not mean it is a good enough reason to hold us all to ransom and force people to be part of what they do not want to be part of.

Here is a rough yardstick measure - Take a quick poll of yes or no with the question should Nigeria break, again my feeling is that it will be plenty of "Yes we want to break up" and very few "No."

Since you never addressed the issue I raised in my last post, before this one let me rephrase is again. How is the Concept of One Nigeria working for you in real life?

I agree it will not be a straightforward process if breaking up happens - based on break ups from around the world.

Having said that, we've had four decades at least [I wont say five, to allow for settling down etc] to get things right, do you not think perhaps it may be worth trying other options if we are not so united under the theme of unity?

Pweety4me:
_{Ok den. . .so who's email do we reach urs}?

Please be exercise patience!

Let us see the number of people coming first, then I will bring on the next step. We did this before and it was a success, just trust me on this.

When we have enough interest, I will get an email from all those who are interested and confirm it is correct - i.e no impersonator.   After that, dates, venue and finance will be discussed and so on. You really do not want this discussed on on public forum.  Have a look around, the thread from last year should still be here.

Venues, finances, logistics, plans et al will not be done on nairaland.

Pweety4me:
_{Wat happens next is d question not what we want 2 happen. . .where is d venue e.t.c}

For security and obvious reasons, it will be discussed via email.

If you have anywhere in mind please feel free to let me know when the time comes.

davidylan:
El Razur!   Will you relocate to the states pls and help us?

If the price is right. 90% now, 10% on completion [with an option to quit at anytime]

Deal?

You should come to the UK, it will be fun.

Pweety4me:
_{Uhmm so wat happens nxt?and can i bring a parent/guardian or bodyguard?}

In the front page for all to see.

ayettymama:
kai

anywaaaaaaays

ill come- depending on where it is

hey platinu

when in the naija reunion thingy??

If the same set of people or similar turns up for this one, it may most likely be in London.

Where are you based if you don't mind me asking?

Oga, I have no affiliation - you can tell from my post I stay away from Tribalism et al.

If you feel there have been injustices and lies - which quite rightly so - I suspect you need to find another avenue to pursue that if you feel it is worth pursing. But to have the opinion that we cannot go each others way based on past bloodshed, lies etc. I think you will find you opinions been forever challenged.

I think if there is an attempt at a break-off this time, the people of the east will support it but be wary of any backlash. The Yorubas seem to want in too - even though there are divisions here and there. The Hausa - no offence to any one from this region - will probably see it as getting rid of the Yorubawa and co from their land. It is only those who steal from Nigeria in my opinion on all front will refuse to see what the most of us sees i.e want a divorce.