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buzugee:
nkomboti its african beer   yvonne chaka chaka ?

i think bubble gum generation means all these ipod and itunes slanging brain dead teenagers who like sagging their pants   i think. will get back to ya when and if i confirm my assertion

In one of the YOutube videos, she described her song as Bubble-gum pop.

HOwever, I agree with you that it refers to music of little shelf life these days. And yeah, it covers those things you mentioned.

Cougar:
bubble-gum generation.

Damn.

I remember that phrase. Didn't it started with music of ChakaChaka? With up tempo disco type electro sound lol.   They are usually characterised with having cheesy composition/arrangement lol.

Having said that, I love chakachaka.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWYrYNXvlE

guddsid:
No you got it wrong here . Beat music is a music genre developed in the 60's by some british musicians its a diffusion of doo wop , rock and roll and skittle . Fela did beat music but with african instrument and jazz (which is also "black" music) and named it Afro - beat . Shina peter's use of afro is quite different before you can throw afro in front of something there has to be a western / asian or maybe martian   version . Shina peters is telling us or trying to tell us that there is euro-juju or hindi-juju or something like that LOL

Really?  Okay o. I hear you. Will have to look it up.

I think you will find there are no fixed rules on how to use the word "Afro".

I wish I can see that damn documentary again, there were very good historical context to all the names etc.

guddsid:
chai !!!! guys i no sey una love dis shina man but abeg cool down small first . African artistes plenty when dey collect award that time . This guy was just busy singing fuji gargabe , Oops lol . afro-juju (first of all isn't juju music already african ? so what is the afro there ? thats like me saying i am afro-black  )

I have no problem with you to be honest.

Traditionally, Music production and exposure have been stronger in Francophone speaking countries hence why people like Emmanuel Dbanjo et al are well known outside their country and worked with people like Fela and hence got nominated etc.


Juju was traditionally a yoruba type of music with a lead guitarist, drums, talking drums conga and a couple of back up singers, but the "Afro" is meant to show an adaptation of various style with it. Shina used keyboards alot and he had much more rhythmic style etc. Which is the same thing fela who was before him did - Took Jazz and add African stuff to it and called it Afro beat.

Cougar:
listen to yourself and see how your comment reeks of idiocy. majority of the awards you had up there were not in existence in the era of shina peters. one sings in dialect, the other sings in english. does that not tell you 2face will have a wider audience than shina peters. would 2face get the same recognition singing in his native dialect? ask your dad who he thinks has more substance between the two and maybe then you will appreciate sir shina peters.

Well said.

buzugee:
dont forget to put in ya hearing aid so you can hear the music  

lwkmd.

Well done.



@Gudsid.

I posted this before, when someone said something about Shina's "Sir"

Who gave Kollington the grand accolade of "Grand commander of Nigerian Youth".

You be a youth too, he be your commander?

Who gave Sikiru Ayinde Barrister "Doctor of Music"?

Who gave Wasiu Ayinde the title of a "King"? Heck for which town e be king?

Who gave Dr Dre and co the title of "Certified Gangsta"

Abeg carry go jare.

Who make D'Banj "Koko Master"?

Who make MI "The best" ?

Comot for here.

You see, it ain't worth making fuss about.


Shina won the most converted award back then. In the back of Experience album or so, he was clutching three.  I cannot for the life of me remember this awards.

I also stated before that it is worth making a fair comparison. Tuface had cd, internet and what not working in his favour. Those things were rare during the time of shina, so to make such comparison is not exactly a fair one.

Also bear in mind that Shina no sabi english well well so it may be something said wrongly or taken out of context.

Finally, I respect them both for their achievements.




PS
Gudsid,

Award means very little. You just have to look at the demographs of those using internet in naija and they are usually the age range that will be the fan of Tuface, so yes he will more than likely be have more votes over others.

Let's not forget that during the time of Shina, award wasn't focused on African Artist as such and it is usually people in US, Britain and some part of EU dey get the award now.

In the next 20 years from now, Tuface will be up against other artist too and while you will probably defend him and what not, the younger generation will say some of the things you are saying now. You know, tell you how the newly discovered alien race are now rocking the music of Artist X (assuming that was the name of the bad arsssse artist in 20 year from now lol)  

I am sure you get my point etc.

Let us appreciate both men jare.

buzugee:
sharrap dia and stop lying. you know yo azz is 57 years old    but yeah we are on the same page. i agree with everything you said , except pasuma being a legend  

Lol. If it makes you better. I adore obesere. Heck I still rock is "live in london" konsolijapun cd lol.

**Grabs walking stick to go play Omo rapala**

lwkmd.

buzugee:
1 luther vandross
2 barry white
3 fela
4 alexander o neal
5, jeffery osborne
6 majek fashek
7, yoursour ndour
8, shade adu
9, seal
10, anita baker
 

Stop it man.

Here are the Best 10 ever. Clearly you are too old.

Lil wayne
B.O.B
Lil John
Tuface
Pasuma
Sky B
Heck insert any artist in naija that currently uses the autotune thingy.

smh.


Seriously, I agree with your post, but sometimes it may just be worth looking at things for what they are.   Personally, I believe Shina's words were taken out of context. He clearly do not start the interview by staying "Tuface is empty" and left. There must be more, but the poor journalism ain't helping right now.

I have stated this before, and I am saying it again. Shina is talented and so is Tuface, but Clearly FOR ME Shina is in a league that Tuface is yet to touch.

The new generation these days relies on record sale, money, cars etc but not the actual Music itself as a means of judging  

Gosh I feel so freaking old and god knows I never turn 30!

Bamsyle.:
When did I ask for your proof??

Are you kidding me?   Attentions span of a fruit fly? Pay attention and see below

I said

"That's good enough for me. Shina is rated by more people than one bloke on the net taking shots. I will take the view of others over yours."

You said

Who rated him?? Forbes or what rating agency?? Well, just phucking with you man but I ask again: What data are you relying on??

And I then mentioned the BBC documentary. Are you this daft?  

2face and a lot of other acts of the younger generation have all appeared on BBC so I wonder how that deserves the ringing of bells . . . how many times did Fela appear on BBC before he died??

Jesus wept. Appearing on BBC in itself means poo. Vocal slender was on BBC too you know. The difference is, this is a programme that was made to mark "Black History month" and part of BBC presentation was to present a documentary on evolution of music in Africa. Fucckkkkkkkk me. Do you not see the difference? Jesus wept, mohammed laughs! If your Artist was worthy of mention, he would have got a mention in that documentary. No? After all Tuface don dey make wave for sometime now. SMH.

And if someone is featured as a part of the history of a craft, it means he was once an active player in that craft . . . doesn't mean he's a legend . . . whatever happened to your cognitive abilities??

You are daft.  He was mentioned because quite rightly he deserved so. This is history of music, get it? and his contribution to the evolution of music in nigeira is deemed worthy enough.

So you missed the simplest of all logic and then proceed to ask about cognitive abilities?  Oh dear!

Why not wait for those years to elapse?? In one breath, you're saying people feel Shina ain't relevant cos of his age . . . in another, you don't even want to wait for 2face to get mentioned in the next decade or two . . . you're always in a hurry to nowhere.

If you cannot remember asking for proof, then half of the things I say will go over your head. It is okay, I will come down to you level and explain it in simple words.

Yes Shina have age against him - This is a known phenomenon. It will eventually happen to most artist at some point in their career. Especially in an environment where this is a new act all the time.  

As for the rest of you ludicrous claim, all I said was that "Only time will tell if Tuface gets a mention about history of music in Nigeria".  As to how that translate to your claims is beyond me.

Another case of mumbling soliloquys and then going ahead to applaud yourself for it . . . which technicalities surpass 2face's?? One plays instruments better, the other sings better . . . what's your point??

Go back and read the post. It get tiring repeating myself. Shina - Multi instrumentalist etc. = Plenty technical abilities.

Tuface - Studio artist = Very little technical abilities.

Jesus wept again!

The fact that Goodluck Jonathan or KSA rate Shina highly mean nada to me . . . I have my opinion and you have yours . . . if you disagree with me, skip ma comments and move on to the next one . . . I dislike dumbass arguments.

Your problem, not mine. If KSA rates him, he must be doing something right. Deal with it.

And you must think that other folks in the Music Section are geeks?? And sorry, we should all gather and celebrate ElRazur the greatest producer ever to have traversed Mother Earth??

Once again, it went over your head. I am far from that. But I am telling you, Tuface have it easy when it comes to making a hit record compare to What Artist like Shina have to go through. And yes, I have an idea what I am talking about hence why I made reference to the music stuff.  

Ok, some other things I know about you:

1. You argue blindly
2. Your communication and comprehension abilities are in the realm of zilch
3. You sound too much of a sissy when engaged in a debate

Man in the mirror. I heard it was a song by Michael Jackson.

Your assertion of 2face's use of autotune has now become "he appeals to the autotune generation"?? Your words should be sold for nada in the Potosi parts of Bolivia.

Yes, I maintained my point. His music is heavily engineered. Disprove this or shut it.

Nothing up there is of any value or substance . . .

Obviously, when you have nothing valid to say. Seen it all before, so it aint nothing new.

Lemme just reply all that crap with one line - Fela's songs should have been worse than Shina's, using all the parameters you used up there, but I will never, in 20 lives, compare Fela to 2face.

And you know poo about music? Fela almost had the best engineer and studio in Nigeria back then. Remember, he toured the world extensively and had access to things that weren't common in Nigeria back then.

You know, do a bit of research at your own time and these things are obvious. But don't come around and put up inaccuracies and try to pass them off.

Beaf:
It was just a plane.

Do you believe that or are you saying what we all heard in the news?


I personally think it may be a plane, but the pattern of projection across the sky is highly unlikely. Looks like a an ascending "opposite c-curve to me". But then my opinion is not in anyway a fact. Just mere speculation.

Ujujoan:
Lol    Spikey!

See as you dey talk like say the thing na food!   

Remember the origin of sex was to procreate, we are just abusing it now as it is! If a woman decides to settle for such a marriage, she should be able to live with the consequences.

Me, I dont see why I would live in a different country from my husband. I mean what is so important? Aside from sex, men and women have other needs that should be satosfied by their partners. It's just not right!

Please keep religion away abeg. Monkeys and what not have sex just like humans do as a form of past time. If you claim seexxxx was only designed for procreation, how come giving a blowjjjjobb feels just as good? After all, the mouth was made for swallowing and talking but not eating the magic stick or juciy hole?

You also forget that some people are just naturally Hot (Like myself) and sexxx ain't exactly a big deal.

OMO IBO:
Women and sex sef.
You'd think someone's holding a knife to their throats

Dude is honest and upfront  . . . . .he gets bashed.
Dude tells porkies, he still gets bashed.

Na wa ooo.

Spikedcylinder, wasere jare.

Abi o, one cannot win. Smh.

spikedcylinder:
I understand entirely what you are saying. As far as I am concerned, this is the true definition of calling a spade a spade.
In reality, both parties might love each other deeply but still cheat on each other like a buncha morafokers. It's only realistic to say that 'babes, whilst I love you, you can satisfy your carnal urges till we are on the same page geographically'.
I must admit that it'll take two extremely mature individuals to understand this kind of mentality and it might sting to hear it being said to you but in actual sense it is a totally selfless thing to say.
I don't know if you get my drift?

Gbam. I get your drift well well.

Bamsyle.:
Mr ElRazur, in a debate, when will you learn to just open your mouth, speak up, shut it when you're done and wait for another chance to say more when the opportunity comes again??

The way you keep referring to "goal posts", "weak emotions", "age" and what-not in here, you cut the picture of a sissy . . . and I say that with modesty.

You mean, I should play along with your emotions that is getting weaker and what not. Sorry, I am calling a spade, a spade. Half of your replies bears nothing to the debate at hand hence why I chopped them off. If that struck a nerve, trying making your post relevant instead of beating about the bush.

What's the relevance of this bit?? The fact that Methusela was reported in the Bible as having attained millenia in age did nothing to Bible History . . . going by the reports from the Scriptures, he came, begat and left the scene . . . how does that relate with being good at a craft??

You asked for proof. I gave you one. It was about 3 hours worth of documentary examing music evolution across Africa. When it came to Nigeria, Shina peters was mentioned as one of the people who shaped the music scene. This documentary was done last year. If Shina can get a mention, then he is doing something right. In the same way, the artist you so much put up was not given a mention. I guess that is saying something.

As to whether Tuface gets mentioned in years to come remains to be seen. In the mean time, Shina is down as one of those who contributed to the evolution of music in naija. Deal with it.

Have 2face and a lot of other Nigerian acts not appeared on BBC or even CNN??

See above.

Relax, breathe easy and understand what I said - I've never criticized SSP's dexterity on instruments here . . . I only said he ain't a good singer.

In the field of singing . . . in vocal renditions generally, 2face beats him hands down, legs up, belly flat . . . insert the rest  

So does Carlos Santana . . . but technically speaking, I doubt that Santana will ever come out to say "Chris Brown is empty" . . .

The excellent ability to move goal-post must be an awesome one. YOu said "the issue is that whether morally or technically, he has no standi to say that to 2face."  

I pointed out to you how shina have many technicalities that surpasses that of Tuface, and what did you do? Latched on to something about dexterity? Jesus wept.

Agreed that 2face ain't an entertainer . . . Shina is . . . Shina ain't a good singer . . . and his entertainment value doesn't give him any edge over 2face.

Many people disagree with you on this. Sunny whom you rated speaks in highly of shina (He also made reference to a style he introduced in that same documentary)

And you must really think your mention of "Segun Adewale" was an excellent idea, copyrighted by you in this thread . . . you'll do well to go and read some of my comments on page 1, where I had already mentioned that name . . . forget it ElRazur, I dunno of other subjects, but if it's Music History, you ain't got nutin new to teach me.

Please start acting like one who is "in the know".    Only an ignorant mind makes such a bold statement. But yeah, if you say so jare. Your prerogative, not mine.

And 2face uses autotune, right?? Or you're the engineer who corrects his pitch?? Erm, I forgot that 2face doesn't sing with a passion . . .  

A thing or two you may not know about me, I am into music production as a hobby and over at the music section I have posted one or two things in the past. My point? Tuface's track is heavily engineered to appeal to the autotune generation. Shina had no luxury of those in his days (apart from reverb and a bit of high, mid and low gain on Eq)

For a dude who churned out soulful and yet meaningful songs like "One Love", "See Me So", "True Love", "African Queen (yeah yeah Blackface composed the lyrics, what else d'you have to say??  )", etc . . . are you not forgetting stuff in a hurry??

[b]OMG you got me there! **Insert roll eyes here** The shock that a modern day musician writes his own material is news? Jesus fuckkking Bleep me. Here allow me to break it down for you. Remember how you claim I have nothing to teach you? Here, learn this now:

Tuface's tracks are recorded in multiple takes and then combined for that "Perfect cut".

Tuface's tracks are maximum an average of 5 mins long (radio play edit)

Tuface works with the best producer out there for most of his records. In the words of Nas, but a bitchhh on a bomb beat and she will go platinum.

In comparison to Shina - His tracks are about 10-15 mins long (Hence why it is called LP Long play) and all done in one cut. Meaning, there is no room for error.

He composes the music (there is a difference between writing lyrics and actually composing music sir), write his own lyrics, he acts as a "conductor" while orchestrating the whole band, he worked with one of the least known music producer then "Dudu music" using mostly analogue stuff - Instruments fed into mixer and then a Digital audio tape.

You see, Shina did it the way people like me will respect him. Whereas, while I respect Tuface too, he is however not in the same league that I place shina. [/b]

Shina's music speaks for itself.

(But I am guessing you know all of these and need nothing to learn)

I love this.

Seeing that you have nothing worthwhile to add, you will at least go away this time knowing that Ahmadenajahd DID denied the holocaust. So next time, you won't be posting misconceptions and inaccuracies on here.

In the mean time, it is good to see that you've been cut down to size and now stuck in a "copy and paste" mode.

Carry on. I will be watching from here for now.

Awwwh pele.  I must be torturing you. I love this.

So moving on, we have now established that Ahmadenajad was on record denying the holocaust a few times. Both in text, and in video. (and in his defence, he issued a statement of denial)

Once you offer anything to counter the above, I will come around add something. What a child!

Ujujoan:
Oh . . . now I see! It's not like you guys were dating but you just 'like' each other. O. . . . k!

Well, I guess in that case it's not 'that' bad!

I once found myself in that predicament and I was actually the one curious. Tried to find out if he was . . you know . . 'doing it' with someone . . . anyone!

He refused to talk about it to me. Said he didnt want to tell me about his sex life and he didnt want to know about mine either. He was quite sweet, that guy. Too bad I lost him!

For the nth time now lol, this is not about me. It will be nice if you and a few won't assume this is about me.

So you wanted to find out and he didn't tell you, but then you get mad with this guy for coming out straight with it?

Are you from mars? lol

Ranoscky:
Yes, agreed. But I think it's durin his era and not now. And also not to be compared with 2face.

' not sure I mentioned anything like that

I am saying if history is being written about the evolution of music in naija. Shina will have a few pages dedicated to him if he do not get a whole chapter.

Tuface and Shina are talented, but whether Tuface will have the same almost-legendary status attached to Shina right now remains to be seen. Let us see how the next 10 or 15 years pans out for Tuface.

Bamsyle.:
Who rated him?? Forbes or what rating agency?? Well, just phucking with you man but I ask again: What data are you relying on??

I won't indulge in your weakening emotions so, pardon me if some of your replies are chopped off.

"History of Music in Africa" Featured on BBC three. Reference was made to Shina (This was aired last year)

Give 2face the instruments and watch him tear up the roof . . . Shina might be a good instrumentalist, Abraham Laboriel, Alex Acuna and some others are - but they'll never come out to claim that they're good singers.

You are just going round. The point is anyone who can play instrument will know that it requires dexterity and a technical mind. Shina had all of those, and to now claim Tuface is more technical with little substance to back it up other than "watch him tear the roof up" is a joke.  

Shina is proficient at playing Keyboard - Not touch play like you have in a music studio. He plays a leading guitarist with his band - This requires very good ears and coordination abilities. etc (All of these are technical attributes)

Look, call it shifting post or whatever again . . . play any Shina Peters song for me and I'll dance . . . I know his songs well, from the "Ace" era to "Experience" and what-not . . . he's a good entertainer, but he ain't a good singer.

With all due respect. Tuface is rarely an Entertainer, but I will group him as such. Shina on the other hand Sings well. He was singing from a young age following the likes of Prince Segun Adewale (If this goes over your head, look him up. He is another legend that you probably know nothing about) and co, so he will understand a thing or two about singing than Tuface.

Shina had no autotune or pitch correcting software. He sang with passion in his music etc. So yeah, FOR ME Shina is probably the better singer.

Ujujoan:
Actually . . . yes! I dont want to know what you are doing. Call it living in a f00l's paradise, call it living in denial, call it whatever you like, I just don't wanna know!

Seriously, you should know that you dont have to say EVERYTHING . . . I once read that 'a man who can't lie to a woman has no regards for her feelings' and I do find some truth in that (as difficult as it might be for you to understand).

If you want to cheat on her, go ahead and do that . . but don't make it a 'law' in you relationship!

I appreciate your honesty, but I am from the school of thought where deliberately being in the dark is no good rara at all. lol.

This is not about cheating, but about addressing what may most likely happen when distance are involved. Remember, it was never a relationship either, but they had strong feelings for each other.

rhymz:
Elrazu take it or leave it Shina Peters goofed with that statement and in comparison he is more medicre than 2face. Forget whether he sings in a live band and Tuface sings in a studio, those are factors attributable to their time, in terms of who has achieved more with thier styles and talents, Tuface is like a rocket years ahead.  Music content, SP was not any better, his lyrics were just as petty as 2face's, popularity and better songs and albums Tuface shyts on him like hot. So what is the fuss all about him being a legend or you are trying to equate being a legend to only just a function of the time they started alone? Abeg forget all these embelishment jare, SSP was just as average in terms of talent as Tuface but the latter was prolific in his achievement with his talent.

Opinions are not a statement of fact. Sorry.

How can Tuface be ahead, when Shina arguably laid the path he now walks?

The same issue I see from the Hammer and Jay Z thread is now here again.

CD was not mainstream when shina dropped his album. He recordings were on Cassette. So obviously, Tuface will have more exposure more than him. Internet and what not was not common place during shina time so Tuface will be known etc.  I think those point are not necessarily a good comparison as it leaves Shina at a disadvantage.

The fact remains shina is widely regarded when Nigeria's music is being discussed. Take it or leave it.


Also I mentioned in my first post that I will like to see the full interview before I give a view. From all what we know, Shina is not good with speaking English etc. Things may have also been taken out of context too.

How come the media never printed all the interview? Abi na all he talk was "Tuface is empty" and the interview ended there? Abeg think about it well well jare.

Bamsyle.:
Dude for once be as objective as you can abeg . . . I don't have the luxury of time like Eldee had on that Hammer V. Jay-Z thread abeg  

You might be in haste to type a response but you'll do better when you read the point you're trying to counter well before you do - I said SSP tried to create a new genre but ended up with a fast-paced juju sound . . . on the other hand, someone like Fela ended up with a totally fresh sound . . . period.

I don't wanna type essays . . . Did you get that??

So if you think Shina ended up with a fast paced "Juju-type sound". I guess using your logic,It is fair to say ended Fela ended up with "A high tempo Jazz sound with African chants".   Please listen to early jazz to get an idea.    Again, Fela and Shina are two different artist who express their music differently in different Genre, to compare them both is like Comparing Apala with Drum and Bass style of music. Wtf man.

You can go with what you wanna . . . and i'm going with what I want too . . . the fact that the 'general notion' says "all men have a p[/i]eni[i]s" does not make the statement right . . . it just means that 100 million folks or more are either living in ignorance or are too lazy to dig out facts.

Only that Majority is said to "win" the vote. All men may not have manliness, but heck I do and so are majority. That's good enough for me. Shina is rated by more people than one bloke on the net taking shots. I will take the view of others over yours.

Shina can dance and sing . . . can't Eedris "dance and sing"?? I'm tired of flogging this issue abeg.

Edris, to be honest is irrelevant to the debate at hand. Elvis can dance, so can Boy George, heck anyone can dance. Whether they dance well is something else. What exactly is your point? 

Did i even talk about him being "past his date"?? And even if someone says he is, are they lying?? The fact that he's "past his date" or month is not the issue here . . . the issue is that whether morally or technically, he has no standi to say that to 2face.

Technically? Are you kidding me? Shina plays multi-instrument. Guitar and Keyboard being one. He makes his music and beats the hard way without the use of fruityloops and those computer generated sounds and you think Tuface is more technical? Jesus. Okay.

Einstein?? With all the "7 is a number", "Ese meji l'oke" and the rest?? LWKMDFH.

Figure of speech sir.

Listen, it is well known that he rocked the scene at the peak of his career. It is just not true to say otherwise is my point.



Well, we can laugh it off and just call it one of those things . . . but I mean every bit of what I'm saying.

@Ujujoan

Where is it a taboo to talk about the obvious, will you prefer I keep mute if you and I are involved in similar situation and pretend there is not much?   Come on, if honesty is the best policy as my people talk, why can it not be applicable here.

Tink_sh:
You totally misunderstood my point but thats ok. Also, i wasnt talking about politics, education and such, i was referring to your question of a man suggesting to his girl about sleeping with other people. Its a very emotional thing for some women and is not in the same thought process as the other things you mentioned. I would never insult women as i am one and as a women with women friends i do know a little of how some think. Emotions very rarely make sense to a man.

Right.

Do you mind explaining why a "suggestion" is perceived as "asking to go and do it"?

Also, can you explain this "woman thing" to me?

DRIZ:
sir shina peters is no longer a musician, he's now a comedian. please who gave him 'sir'?  ;d

Who gave Kollington the grand accolade of "Grand commander of Nigerian Youth".

You be a youth too, he be your commander?

Who gave Sikiru Ayinde Barrister "Doctor of Music"?

Who gave Wasiu Ayinde the title of a "King"? Heck for which town e be king?

Who gave Dr Dre and co the title of "Certified Gangsta"

Abeg carry go jare.

Who make D'Banj "Koko Master"?

Who make MI "The best" ?

Comot for here.

eldee:
It's a different era now, even KSA cannot sell as much as he used to thee days.

Sunny and Obey are actively releasing their 16 inch lp tracks on cd now and calling it "Old wines" or something to the effect. Should we now accuse them of being irrelevant and past their time too?

I think the guy just no like SSP and I respect that, but to say he is rubbish etc is just not true.

I honestly think this argument is more or less down to an age thing.

I very much doubt anyone  over 23 or so will say Shina is rubbish. (not a statement of fact though)

I am guessing the majority of people who are dissing him weren't around or never got exposed to his music. Nonetheless, I didn't get exposed to some music I listen to now, but I go back to study them etc and compare things like production, style of arrangement and what they are saying etc


Anyone remember back then when boys brigade band will play his song at parties etc. Heck, I was at Mushin in Lagos when he drove past and my god the crowd that were all over him just cemented his status as one of the big influential and loved fish in naija jare.

Bamsyle.:
Lookie, I ain't the type to disregard a real talent for any sentimental stuff . . . SSP created nada . . . he just fused stuff and even though nearly all music genres have some degree of fusion or the other, SSP's end-product was just a fast-tempo kinda juju to me . . . all the intermittent screams of "haba" and the yoruba raps were just embellishments that anyone can use.

You are contradicting yourself. You are refusing to credit him because you do not regard him - That in itself na emotion right there jare.

If you agree that all Genres over lap and duplicates idea from each other. The one can use your logic and say Fela invented "nada". After all, Fela's music was nothing but Jazz that was done to death in the 30-70s.  You see, your point is not worth the paper it is written on lol.

Check this out, Shina is widely accredited for creating a new Genre. And now some bloke on the web disagree. Lwkmd. Okay I will just go with the general notion that he created a new Genre.

Can you compare his 'invention' to what Fela created?? Afterall, Fela had jazz influences and samples, but he created a totally different sound altogether . . . I rate someone like Barrister above SSP by miles . . . Barrister never tried to create another genre but he took Fuji Music to new heights (mind you, he also rapped in yoruba - Fuji Garbage) . . . with a great voice and dance skills, that's what I'm talking about!

Dude. Compare like for like. You know, apple and an apple! And not apple and a wide-screen tv. lol.  Shina can dance, sing etc. If he didn't Sunny Ade won't say good things about him.

SSP might be touring millions of shows and headlining others . . . that doesn't mean he's a pro . . . Eeedris in his hey days used ta rock shows and even still does.

First he's past his date, or something along those lines and now he aint a pro? Make up your mind and stop moving the goal post jare.  He may not be a pro, but jesus! In his field he was like an Einstein with his style of music.

It ain't compulsory to "invent" any new genre . . . do what you do and do it well.

Lol You are funny. Shina did all of those. You know, invented and did it well.

rhymz:
. . . .shina Peters made that comment to stay in the news. . .dude has only gotten one overrated album to his credit and he wants to talk like a Veteran. . .and Elrazu, did U say SP has been around since the Sixties? Lol. . .you must be joking right? Homeboy started out in the mid eighties and blew up in d ninties and that was it, don't crack him up more than he is. Tuface is way more Talented than he can ever be as far as music is concerned. . .The only reason we still hear of him in the entertaiment circles is because of his Son Clearans Peterz.

He started out with Prince Segun Adewale in the late 60s.

He then had a stint with another artist.

Faded into obscurity and then popped back.

I went through my dad record and imagine my surprise when I see young shina with segun adewale in the front of an album. No jokes.

Once again, people are trying to move the goal post. I am not saying Tuface is not talented. Both of them are.

As it stand, I am lucky to be around when shitt was all analogue and you had to know how to play musical instrument etc. Have you tried playing the guitar? I tried and fuckkkk me, that is some hard feat. You see, I have respect for those who can play instrument etc, than a studio artist.

Say all you want about shina. He is one of the "definers" of music in naija. In years to come let us hope the same is said about Tuface.

ocho cinco:
Lol. . . I can't actually believe so many are coming on the side of SP.

The guy's music, nay, album was at best a guilty pleasure.

I'm bumping Ace album right now.


It is fair to say if we had a proper music sale and compilation in his time, that album will me multi-plats.

Bamsyle.:
Which genre?? A fusion of afro[/i]beat (Fela takes the credit there) and juju (the likes of KSA, Ebenezer Obey, Dele Abiodun and even a young Micho Ade take the cake there)??

He was just trying to fuse already established genres but ended up with nada.

I ain't even talking about his character only . . . I 'ont care if he's a serial [i]r[/i]apis[i]t, music-wise he's a flop . . . and I mean that with every fibre of my being.

No sir.

He created Afro Juju. As with most music, it comprises a fusion of one or two genre. Shina's Afro juju  is a fusion of rhythmic keyboard, Leading guitar solo, tempo beat flipping (Where he sings and then changes tempo. For example when he says "Haba" "Thomas" etc)


Remember the Good, the bad and the ugly theme? That was so mesmerizing? That was one of the defining style of Afro Juju.


There is no denying he had influence from Fela (Shina's Open and Close was a reflection of this)

Also it may be worth adding that he was the first mainstream musician of his era to actually Rap in Yoruba (Where he sings about Ese meji and a lady came and rapped a line too)


Etc.

Shina did a lot and those are just the few I can remember.


Please explain to me how he is a flop?

Every musician come and go. He held it right in his own time and still doing so - He regularly tours abroad etc. Surely, there must be a demand for him to carry out these tours. No?



Eldee

F you man.

Thought you were gonna dislike him. I am disappointed.  But nice one for recognising a proper artist.

So you have nothing valid to add?

If you find my illustration insulting, I have news for you, it was meant to be so as to highlight how insulting the claims you are putting forward about the Holocaust. Deal with it.

Shockingly enough, you still missed the point and posted more crap with little substance. You have no substance whatsoever to your argument.

You have accused people in another thread of "following others" and here you are posting more crap from others too. Gosh, you are so awesome. How do you do it?

Ikomi:
@Elrazur

To be honest with you I did not read your post. 

Its too long and most probably useless. I said it before:

I said it before, and thanks for validating my points. (The validated ones are in bold)

PS
I am gonna go out of my way and make a prediction as follow:

You will find it hard to come up with something meaningful.

Play straw-man.

Miss the point and then post more irrelevant points.

Claim to be the Einstein of Nairaland and declare you have little time.

When all of the above fail. Take a long exile leave and wait for the right thread to come up before you bring up this issue again.

Denounce all proofs that he denied the holocaust etc.


Please prove me wrong.

I rest my case.

Here we go again. The younger ones who have no idea about History of Music in Nigeria having a go at an established and almost Legendary musician.

Shina is been around for a like forever, when people like him talk I will think he's got a few valid reason for saying so.  

Shina have had the women, the life, the fame and what not so when he is speaking I think people need to ask why is he saying that.  Pardon me if am wrong, but is it not Tuface that have 5 "baby mamas" or something? NOt to take anything away from Tuface, he is considered talented and I respect that too.

I do not know the in and out of the interview, so if anyone have a proper link to the interview then one can try and see what shina is saying. I have a feeling things may have been lifted out of context. Or Shina is translating his thoughts across very poorly (English was never his strong point)


Funny how a few people described him as irrelevant. This guy in a documentary on Music in Africa is labelled as one of those who shaped music in Nigeira from the 90s era. (Even though he's been influential from the 60s and 70s, but that one na another story)

vedaxcool:
^^^^^^
The Red Eyed Hypocrite has spoken.

Translation: I, vedaxcool is trapped in a corner and have nothing valid to add.


Awwwh nice try.

You accused others of the same thing you are doing. Lol. Even Stevie Wonder can see this in your post.

Further more, did you even watch the videos or read the links I provided? Or will you be like "others" and turn your nose up your rectum and ignore the facts at hand?

vedaxcool:
^^^^^

Obviously, you seem to assume that he meant Jews were never killed, when in fact he Meant the number was exaggerative to win people sympathy,as the Number of people that actually died will determine whether or not it can be called a Genocide. More Funny is the way the west has used Misinformation (knowing how Ignorant an average person is). one should not expect people like you to be any wiser in seeing how foolish it is to maintain that he actually meant not a single Jews was killed. Even western Scholars doubt whether 6 million  jews were actually killed.

It is disgusting and an insult to your intelligence that you are failing to grab the obvious.

When he won the elections in 2005, he was on record denying the holocaust.  He did that a few more times.

Recently, he did the denial thing again in 2009 and then later try to redress the issue by claiming he was taken out of context.

I have no problem with him shifting away from his view point. However, the main point is that he was on record calling the holocaust a myth.

I won't insult your intelligence and ask you to look up the meaning of Myth.

More importantly, any one is at liberty to hold any view on Historical or con-temporal subjects . But poor you your western Masters are not even willing to speak of their Murderous raids into Africa yet they take the Issue of the Holocaust to the extent of irrefutable Facts, Please from time Immemorial people had taken the existence of God as irrefutable, yet people this day step and spit on such Idea, what Ahmedinejad said in his speech was that there is a deliberate attempt to stifle any discussion of the topic, which is an indication of dishonesty or fear.

Now it is about West? Typical non-sense I hear all the time.  Why not deal with the issue at hand?

Allow me to play along. Did it not occur to you that you are now using a western technology to air your biased view against the west? How flipping ironic.

There is no debate to be held. People died and universally it is agreed that X amount of people died. Even fellow muslims have spoken out against his denial and what not. Are these Muslims not "Muslims enough" for you?

Let me make this point hit home for you. It is like I rapedddd your Mother. Yes, you heard me right! Imagine I rapeddd your Mother then my lawyer is trying to argue how many rounds and which kind of style I did on her etc. Can you not see how idiotic that is? People died and as historical and recorded figures showed, it was a lot. To try and argue this figure may be inaccurate by a few thousand or hundred is insulting to the memory of those who died.

Same way you will find my illustration insulting.