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kITA TITA:
I am of the same ethnic group as Dr. Emeagwali and I don't share the opinion/sentiment of the poster.

And I created the internet. I am also a Doctor, a physicist, Matimatisian and a cousin of Peter Rufai.


My point? Anyone can be anything on the intraweb.

eldee:
I'm so apalled . . .my crude mentality is the same one that Forbes, FIFA, Magazines and Grammys, universities use when they calculate who's best in those areas . . . it's funny how your posts got shorter because I went straight to the point . . . I shoulda spared you the trouble since page 1

If you worked for a Magazine/Google/E! Entertainment, you're told to compile a list of the Top Ten most popular rappers on the internet using Social networking stats as your basis of comparison . . . will MC Hammer be ahead of Jay-Z or not??

Omg! Delusion of self gradeur now setting it.  You compare yourself to fifa and other reputable magazine. What a daft thing to say.



My post hardly gets shorter, I have said this before - I am dumbing down for you.  You see, your ability to see the bigger picture is missing and all you do is post more BS upon BS. It is also necessary for me to keep my articulation short as you barely can read a paragraph without you showing that you lack noting vital to add. (Characteristics that goes against the notion of someone with Law background. Awwwh pele)

If your list is so important, why not make take it upon yourself and make a list? Awwwh pele, you are there pulling figures out from your rectum and as soon as I asked you for proofs, you want me to provide the proofs for you instead.  Wtf! Seriously, are you normally this daft around here?

Again I am asking you, do you not understand that both of them can co-exist? Heck, Jay Z acknowledge he's got no problem with him and the matter is behind him, but one track-minded fans like yourself are here talking more BS.


I am loving this, you got yourself all wrapped in a corner, the least you can do is lick your wound. 


PS
For the record, Grammy is not based solely on sales but other factors are included too, and at the end of the day, it is still down to panel of Judges to each cast their vote on what they think is okay in their eyes. Let me not lecture you again jare as you lack the ability to comprehend.


Recently Forbes compiled a list of who is most influential in the world and one of the criticism of the list is that it was made on the basis of things that are subjective etc. But then these is probably going over your head again. Pele.

Another "My tribe is better than yours, and you are the enemy of progress" thread. Abeg all these people with cave-men mindset should go sit down and get a life.

Can a mod delete (or lock) this thread, we've had enough of thread like this abeg joor.

Awwh, the crude mentality getting the better of you? You have nit-picked your way and what not in this debate, and now you want me to answer a question that suits you? I am enjoying this. 

You want me to keep silent, oh pele, I must be touching a nerve. Allow me to poke it some more.

You have alleged knowledge in law isn't? Why not put your thinking cap on and realise that Both of them are influential in their own ways.

Do you understand this or not? 

Do you know the meaning of a leading question at all?    I am not surprised. Ain't you the same man that presented Google as part of social media? Moved the goal post a few times, have little or nothing to say in terms of what is being discussed at hand, refuses to be objective and have a crude mentality?


Hammer is influential and so is Jay Z.  How hard is it to understand this? Do you not have alleged background in law or something?

I[i] better run run from you as I am so appalled[/i] at your level of BS.

Blazay:
Mu-mu!
Give it up.
That is what the media is for.
Shaping minds, any which way. Personal choice.
Mind your's
How do you shape your's?
With divine inspiration? Or your Babalawo's incantations?

You really are coming across as daft.

Why do you think on-going court cases are never published in newsprint?  Simple, the Jury are hand picked from the public and allowing the media to run the story on evidences and what not may have a bad out come for the case at hand.

If the court can use this simple principle, I think my job here is done.

Smh.

Ikomi:
@Elrazur

Your lack of principle is so obvious.

Answer these questions please:

1. Have you met Almadin before?

2. What and who shaped your opinion about him?

3. Then finally how come the media in your statement and I quote:

Elrazur your a joke. 

Ikomi, I will enjoy this.

Ahamadenajad was on record saying these things. Only a man who picks to ignore them or distort fact will claim he never did.

If you really wanna talk about him, please come to the special thread made just for the matter.


Sorry, but leading questions are just that, leading.

Your lack of attention span and ability to be objective is clouding your views.

Try to ask leading question is not exactly the way to go or is it? Once again you showed that you cannot do but ask subjective questions.

Here is an answer, I do not work for a magazine and asking leading question won't wash it with me. 

PS
This is the part you claim victory and delude yourself or try to garner for support from the side line. Awwwwwh. Pele.



On the real, Hammer is influential and so is Jay Z. Get it? That is about as simple as it gets.

Another attention span spasm? Pele.

As usual, avoiding the facts and posting some more poo.

The fact remains, Hammer is considered influential in social media. There are studies done to the effect. Period.

You said:

If Jay-Z were to have a verified Twitter Page, he'd tear Hammer apart like he has on the ones he's been on.

What an excellent display of more B.S  You make a "what if" statement but then presented it as the truth. Then you rounded it up by highlighting the crude mentality that I mentioned. What a joke. Gosh, speaking of ignoramus. I didn't realise you now see into the future. Is your name Eldee-jigganite-ramus?  (Last part in reference to Nostradamus.)



Once again, I show you the bare essentials you see. Hammer is influential in his ways, so is Jigga, but the idea of co existence is too much for you. To claim one man is "better" or "rules them all" like you seem to think as it is a very subjective topic. Period.

As a man claimed to be grounded in law, do you mind providing links to some of your figures. Anyone can have their head up their rectum spewing more B.S.    You know, like how Jay Z sold out Glastonbury, when traditionally Glastonbury is always been a sold out event and JayZ was merely a headline act of many. Not taking shot at Jay Z but pointing at the sheer amount of inaccuracies you spit and try to present as fact.

Blazay:
He must be a Yoruba man.
Never with an independent mind.
Always looking for some form of validation from others or trying to be the people's mouth piece.
Tsk.

Drivel and irrelevant.

Birds of the same feather, flock together.

Blazay:
People have the right to form their own opinions.
Even if it a wrong perception, it is still their's.
Great wonder you can spell the word 'daft'.
Bravo.

Again you are just being daft to the nth degree. Who says people do not have the right to form their own opinions? Off course people do.

Whether right or wrong perception is not the point. The point is Media can influence people's view. (One of the many reason people like Rupert Murdoch was denied a take over of other tv station etc I am guessing this name means nothing to you. )

How hard is it to understand that media can be influential in the manner in which a report about something or someone is printed? Smh.

blacksta:
so what - na today

Speaking from experience.

Frijos

Here is a simple honest advice. A few of us will buy your cd on the basis that your are trying to break through, but it is not enough to set you up. You want your sales to be based on your merit as an Artist and far as it goes, I think you just need to push hard a little bit to get there.

I am sure your are doing a lot aside nairaland to generate buzz etc, but if I was you, I will focus more on that for now. Replies on nairaland as to whether people will buy your cd or not, is not a true reflection of what will happen in real life. There are plenty of people out there who are trying to break through as well and competition is very tough.

Goodluck.

Ileke-IdI:
^^^ rotfl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLCS7rQRa1s&feature=related

He is high, I am sure of that. The type of weed he is high on, I am not so sure. Holy ghost hemp Dunno.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7rp5G0fTrU&feature=related
This one have a bit too much to sniff I think.


Praise da lord.

eldee:
Look at my previous posts . . . 'Now social media doesn't stop at Twitter' . . . 'Twitter is not a circle, social media is' , 'Twitter is one part of social media . . . overall on Social media' . . . how low can you bleeping go??
Accuing me of spinning words when I've been saying the same thing all along?? In the Social Media overall, Jay-Z still trumps MC Hammer.

Maybe it's my law background, I don't waste words . . . no need to use two when one will do.
And you drag things especially with an MC Hammer V Jay-Z argument, you know you're fighting a lost battle.

Playing semantics is a bit lame. Let me keep the basics for you since the understanding still eludes you.

Hammer = Plenty of followers on twitter.
Sean Carter = Non existent.

As far as twitter goes. (Which was what the original point was. Get it?) Hammer clearly have more going on for him there.

In case you are still lost. My point, was how hammer is big and influential in Social media and using twitter as an example. On the other hand, you are using Google as an example. Anyone will half a brain can see that Google is nothing but a search Engine and does not fit into the definition of Social Media.

Still following? Now, your point of Jay Z Social media's Jesus Christ reputation is meaningless.  Jay Z hardly interacts with followers or fans online while Hammer does. This is evident with his twitter account.

Now, please tell me what exactly your point is again? Let me guess, none.

Lol at law background. Awwwwh let's not start showing our e.peniss now, you are way too good for that.

Dude, every time you claim I am fighting a losing battle, or tearing apart my argument. I just let my post do the talking for me jare. Please counter the above, it will be interesting to see what you come up with.


In 2009.
Hammer was considered on of the most influential on twitter.

http://www.webecologyproject.org/2009/08/mc-hammer-cant-touch-social-media-geeks-tweeting-cats-when-it-comes-to-influence-on-twitter/


To further buttress my point, here are a few quote that may of be of interest.

“Legendary music icon and master of reinvention MC Hammer is CEO of Alchemist Management. Most recently, Hammer became one of the most influential personalities on the social media platform Twitter with over 1.8 million followers.

MC Hammer is currently 53rd most followed person on twitter. He is ahead of the likes of major atheles & entertainers like: Serena Williams(73), Snoop Dogg(78), Paul Pierce(96), Reggie Bush(180), Bob Villa(190), and Chad Ochocinco(234).

Taken from http://blacksportsonline.com/home/index.php/2010/08/mc-hammer-ventures-into-the-world-of-mma/#idc-cover


I expect a few people not to fully recognise the usefulness of Twitter, but then I am sure some will.

eldee:
Hehehe . . . so Eldee is now 'hiphop mentality'??
I don't care if you want to go dumb . . . it's not my fault that you chose the wrong end of the rope.

Now it's simple . . . you're making yourself look silly, it's fun to watch, very soon, Rhymestein will start thinking both of you are on the same level

Actually, what I meant to say was "Crude rap/hiphop mentality". You know where "one rapper have to rule them all" and no room for co-existence. Something you have demonstrated over and over.

debosky:
No need to feel down in the dumps. . . .no two games are the same. We have more than enough quality to beat Wolves and that should be our aim for tomorrow, to beat them - be it by a deflection, own goal, 3 goal hammering or last minute penalty, just to get three points.

The team might be lukewarm, but they are not fools. . . .they know the weight of expectation on their shoulders and I demand a marked improvement from them. . . . hopefully we'll see that tomorrow.

Yeah I hope so too omo.

While I support the team through whatever may come our way, I just get tired of not gaining ground on teams like Chelsea whenever they lose.

So who replaces Koseni now, Juru?

Kini big deal? I put my tv on here and every Sunday the pastors and so called ministers I see preaching on tv all look like they are so high on some holy ghost type-hemp.

Unknown missile launch? In the USA? Highly improbable that they (US intelligence and forces) do not know about it. As to whether there is a sinister message behind it is open to debate. I wonder if the Russians may make comment about this. . . Hmmm actually, there is no comment to make as it was done in US territory and air space.

eldee:
Watching you talk B.S is fun, but could you please keep it short??
You don't get it do you?? Twitter is one part of social media . . . overall on Social media, Hov kills him.


Jay-Z does not have a verified Twitter Page . . . if he did then you can argue your point.

Actually, your are king of spewing poo in all honest. Just your previous post mentioned this "Twitter is not a circle!!!". I corrected your misconception there and then as usual, you claim you made more sense and try to spin your way out. Like I said, it is nothing new of you, please tell me something new.  Remember, I will correct your crap with a smug on my face. I did!

Sorry, if your attention span is very short. You want me to keep it short, yet on comparison, you have made a few long post too. Glad to see your are starting to let the little boy in you out. Engage more logic and perhaps I will not have to spell out every simple thing for you? Just a thought.

Now. . . there are ones that they both share, like Facebook, Spotify, I-tunes, Google and Jay-Z is eons ahead of MC Hammer those ones.
This is not shifting the goalposts, this is taking all the e-social media together and Hammer can't even touch Nicki not to talk of Hov.

Just shush and stop twisting the point. My point was explaining points where Hammer was ahead of Jay Z. A good example is twitter. If JayZ do not have a verified page then as it stand, Hammer is ahead of him in that particular place. How hard is that to understand? 

Yes you are shifting the goal post. Read back your own drivel to see. Oh, next time say something new and not paraphrase my point.

You know you already sound silly to everyone here now, let's not make it worse by claiming that's I'm not being objective in what's so far been the easiest debate of my life.

Typical rap/hiphop mentality. You said that with every debate that puts you in your place. How can it be the easiest when you constantly move the goal post and what not? How can it be the easiest, when I have to dumb down my posting style to explain things to you a few times before you get it? How can it be when you are constantly going off tangent? What a joke. Abeg, learn to fight your own battles, forget what people may say or may not think. Focus on what you are saying.   .   .  (not much to be honest)

hax:
lol @ 1.9 million followers on twitter making hammer more 'famous' than hov. lmao

really?

seriously?

is he also more 'famous' than lil wayne and drake and nicki minaj as well? lol

I am not sure if you followed the debate. I have repeatedly stated that Both men are famous in their own ways. Jayz is known in the rap game and considered one of the top cats over the past 3-5 years. On the other hand, hammer was famous in the rap game but he's got other avenue he is considered very influential. I cited twitter as one of them.

I don't know how much Lil wayne and Nicki minaj have, but if I have to apply the logic I am passing across, then I will have to say yes.

chiogo:
MC who?
LOL @ jigga about to touch 50 years. Nairalanders and exaggeration. Gotta love it!

10 years from touching 50 apparently and Hammer is two years away. I think the point I was making there was that both are old and do not need to resolve to  punching below the belt.

shotster50:
Call that a diss video and the fool was dancing in it lmao.

I said in the beginning that the new generation of hip-hop listeners will most likely describe the song as whack.

On the balance of things, hammer was never about lyrics, and when Tupac had a few issues with some rappers back then, he made a clarification that he do not have problem with Hammer as he started out making "Pop - rap" and still sticking to pop rap.

My point? Hammer's song is always been very simple lyrics and dance videos orientated. In a way you can say he is still staying true to his ways but then, in this day and age I think most may say he is past his time.

kay_pumpin:
But seriously,is El playing the devil's advocate on this Hammer/Jay issue or he is seriously serious?

Depends on what your views are, but I am saying that both men are grown and no need to call each other out.

I am saying there is enough room for both to co-exist.

I am saying Both men are important in their own circles

I am saying there is no definitive answer as to who is the best, as this is very subjective.

etc.

Those are some of the things I am saying.

Some will pick Becomerich over the present mod in this section.

Okay as per tomorrow's match, Koseni is out, Faregbon is a bit lame at the moment, Chamoru is not on fire, Arsha is not scoring as much and the rest of team a bit lukewarm in my opinion (Apart from Theo Walcott)

Is there any one in our team can take the game to the opponent tommorow so? I am not feeling confident at all.

teeboyseve:
Still waiting for you.

Home boy I dey work in real life you know.

Get some practice, e go pain me if I come online and come beat you like a school boy again jare.

Do you want to make this more interesting? We can suggest playing with no Barca, Real, Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea, and other big clubs and see who is the daddy?

All these things are subjective. It is not worth bickering over. Let's enjoy their music for what it is without this whole "crude mentality" of who is better at this.

Let's not forget that this crude mentality is the same thing that played a part in their untimely passing (at least some will argue that)

eldee:
Dude . . .Twitter is not a circle!!!
Social media is a circle and Jay-z floors him there . . . that's my point.

Are you trying to say I'm only arguing this because I found an opportunity to tear sumone's whole argument apart??

Do you even read back some of your own post? 



Social media refers to interactive site like facebook, twitter et al where there is constant engaging of information every now and then. It is also heavily reliant on user-generated content. Please point me to an official Jay Z page on twitter and you may have a point. Tv, radio and co are more or less mass media. Not social media. Pele.

You seriously, do not believe some of the things you are saying do you?

Here is you, when points are presented to you and you cannot counter, you talk some more irrelevant stuff and them claim to yourself you are making sense. When that so much perceived point of yours is also countered, you proceed to move the goal-post. It is fun watching you change position like a sat nav. It goes to show how weak your points are.

How hard is it to actually be objective and drop your jigganite designer hov-tinted spectacles and see the debate for what it is? I guess it must be very challenging. Pele.

You say a lot of stuff that frankly are border-line dribbles and not worth engaging on, but this have always been your style around here. While it may work with others, I will just point out the flaws in them with a smug on my face.

PS
Don't forget to call it another long-piece of essay. We all know you do this when backed into a corner.

We are going round in circles. You can quote figures that can sway in favour of jigga and so can figures be presented that support Hammer.  Both men are popular in their own way and circles etc.  Hence why I said it is all subjective. 

The debate has moved from the original point but I guess that is the passion that comes with it and should be expected.  Not sure anything is there to be said again that is probably not mentioned. If anyone have anything new to add, abeg be my guest.

Eldee. No be so.

When I said tell me something new, I was referring to the fact that who is famous right now depends on who you are asking. Again your question is not definitive and subject to all sort of views. In terms of Twitter and social media Hammer appears to hold it down  more than jayz. However, in terms of rap is concerned in the last 5 years or so then it will be jayz.

The point is  the answer to such a question as your is so varied it could be anyone of them depending on which angle you are coming from.

For  people to still follow Hammer and see you as a cultural icon decades after his popularity speak volumes. Same way jayz amassed a lot for himself over the past years is a great achievement. Both of them are big enough to  coexist eldee.  Sorry I just don't share the "one ring to rule them all" mentality you so much try to push across.

That's objectivity for you.


@bk
No offence but you already stated why I wasn't keen on your post all along. Remember you said it all that you are here to chat Shiite. See someone like Eldee, we banter from time to time and what not so we have a common ground, unlike you.

Look up the following; objectivity and strawman argument. When you are have something new, I shall be waiting.

@bk

Sorry but nothing new you are adding here. Who is the best at this and that is subjective. Get it? Oh wait, it went over your head the first time and am guessing this one will go same way. No man is too big to be challenged or called upon. Once you understand this (I very much doubt you will) then you will realise your post is very irrelevant.

As usual you bark and have no bite. Who are you fooling?

I was hoping you will be bold enough to back up your claims but then this is you we are talking about.

My opinion in this thread is that the ratings of who is the most influential is based on things that are very subjective. On the other hand Ahmadenajad is on record denying the holocaust. So the media merely reported and printed what he (ahamadenajahd) said.

If you cannot differentiate between these, then it is best to keep your arguments to yourself, as any attempt to push them (your silly claims) across as fact will lead to your views getting countered with facts. Period.

I honestly do not expect you to pick up the challenge as you are clearly misguided with your views and claims.

Ikomi, join me here if you dare.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-548105.0.html#msg7109134

A lot have been said about this topic in this section, with a few individuals choosing to believe that he didn't denied the holocaust, while a few us pointed out that he did.

A quick Google search throws up plenty links revealing that he did denied the holocaust. Also there are videos which shows him doing this.

So if he never denied the holocaust, how come there are so much newslink (western and non western sources) showing that he did?  Oh let's not forget video of him doing this too.  So did he or did he not?

PS
Mod please delete any irrelevant post.

Ikomi, my argument with you as per Ahmadenajad was that he denied the Holocaust. This is a fact, anyone with half a brain knows this. To say otherwise is just not true. The media do not make up this denial. He was filmed and on record deny the holocaust. Period.

Be my guest if you want to go through this again. But we all know, as usual you won't have anything worthy to add than to beat around the bush without providing further any valid proof.