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Orunto: Who vindicates APC? No one. Nigeria is coming after all of you until we deal decisively with all who once threatened. Fixed. |
birdman: Prove what has been proven with evidence in lawsuits against shell? They couldnt sue Abacha because the chances of getting a a fair judgement in Nigeria is zero. But they could sue Shell because it was a foreign company, and therefore could be sued in a place with a sane legal system.Why you waste energy debating with the likes of that one I do not know.I just sigh and ignore them until they come out in real life to say that sh.it.They should try it in real life that's all I ask. |
focus7: ......................................................., a CBN official was mention, though a serving official but I have read some insinuating comments trying to rope Sanusi but one thing the HAUZAS has proving is that they are more mature, honourable and ready for whoever is involve to face prosecution, they were not trying to shield anybody from investigations that could lead to ending the boko haram menace. ...........................................http://www.thecable.ng/exclusive-boko-haram-funded-through-cbn With this "additional information" released by Mr. Davis,I hope you can still repeat this post of yours seeing as you know who the revelation points to |
barcanista: i am not taking sides but just refraining from tribalising the whole thing.I am not saying you are neither am I taking sides even though I am the first to admit that the thread both in topic and content seem pro south at first read maybe even repeated reading for those who have a one track mind. Logically assessing the current situation and the release of this information we have to ask ourselves : what we knew before the current "revelations" ? what the new revelations tell us? How does it benefit bokoharam to reveal the names listed as their sponsors? We always have to bear in mind the avowed goal of bokoharam "The creation of an Islamic state of Nigeria whose society is administered by Islamic law" . What is the single most obvious obstacle to this goal? The constitutional(?) state of Nigeria and the presence of people in positions of power who are either moderate(?) Muslims or worse infidels (kefir's). We know bokoharam has wanted to smoke sheriff a Muslim (some say he helped found BokoHaram and was their patron for political reasons until he fell out with them, story for another day) since 2011 at least. Like I said in an earlier post naming Azazi and Ihejirka as involved in the bokoharam problem automatically ropes in the current Administration which could fall if the pot is stoked with enough fire by politicians playing to a predetermined script. So the Jonathan Administration falls, who takes over a Muslim (not necessarily allied to bokoharam) but the fact that Jonathan,Azazi and Ihejirika are implicated in the bokoharam debacle will be ammunition for the establishment of the day to purge the military security hierarchy of top ranking south southern and south eastern personnel. The removal of those class of personnel would mean the removal with minimum effort of the section of the country that would most likely object to the infiltration of the Nigeria of those days security infrastructure by Islamists and their sympathizers. Whenever one try's to analyze the politico/security situation in Nigeria it is beneficial to look at the big picture and the long view not just/only isolated and seemingly currently pertinent events. BokoHaram is playing for the long term /view if we do not recognize that fact and adjust strategies to counter that, we would definitely be talking about a divided country in the long term. |
barcanista: Another issue to consider....I made the same observation in my own thread.While I'm not questioning Mr Davies's sincerity I seriously question the source(s) of his information. Can you please post a link to the thread you are referring to? |
barcanista: You need to understand my position....I couldn't agree more. |
barcanista: .Much as I think that I do not like you nairaland personality,your write up is fairly balanced. Your thinking (at least for this post) is logical and unlike those who just swallowed the "revelations" hook line and all because it fit their already preconceived ethnic /religious /political view of the situation in the north east of the country and the north in general. |
barcanista: THE AUSTRALIAN NEGOTIATOR HAS BEEN THE TARGET/VICTIM OF A LONG CON STRATEGICALLY DESIGNED TO WHITTLE DOWN THE GROWING INFLUENCE OFI guess Azazi's name dropped from the sky. You know as well as I do that Sheriff has been on BokoHaram's target list since 2011 at least. http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/boko-haram-lists-conditions-for-cease-fire/129351/ So consider that they named one of their avowed local enemies as their sponsor which he may or may not be (there are a lot of speculations as to why BokoHaramis is after sheriff but that is talk for another day),where does that leave us? We are left with the two men who have worked with Jonathan to deal with the menace from BokoHaram within that time frame (Azazi and Ihejirika) who could be said to have done a good job of it. Name them as sponsors which automatically ties the president in with them, what do you have ? The fall of the Jonathan Administration .A critical first step in their avowed larger plan in taking over Northern Nigeria as an Islamic state and eventually expand southwards. Adding Sheriff to that "list"(?) was killing more birds with one stone. |
Rapist: Some Nigerians are so fvcked!!I never said that.If anything I made the point that Davis only repeated the in for he received or was allowed to receive from BokoHaram.Nowhere in my post did I infer that Davis is a spokesman for the opposition. While everyone seems hooked on the naming of the former COAS, as a sponsor no one seems to be addressing the fact that he point blank named the opposition parties as sponsors as well. Treating the reports logically how do you reconcile the fact that he named Ihekirika ,and Azazi and Sheriff but refused to name the CBN link and people in the opposition parties.Is that not inconsistent? |
Truckpusher: It is in the North's interest to behave and this we all are well aware .Please explain I do not follow. |
Ngwakwe: What a shameful answer to ridiculous rubbishProves what I said in my thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1885512/mr-davis-target-long-con The guy actually says his evidence is What he was told by his BokoHaram connections .If somebody wanted to spread a rumors you would never believe and make you buy it he will use somebody you are predisposed to believing.Someone who would almost swear by his like that what he is saying is gods truth. |
I made this point earlier on and the more I think about it and the more I watch the response of Nigerians of diverse groups :politicians ,political commentators,the opposition political parties and ethnic supremacists' the ordinary citizenry,the more the scenario becomes realistic. THE AUSTRALIAN NEGOTIATOR HAS BEEN THE TARGET/VICTIM OF A LONG CON STRATEGICALLY DESIGNED TO WHITTLE DOWN THE GROWING INFLUENCE OF SOUTH SOUTHERNERS AND SOUTH EASTERNERS AT THE TOP LEVELS OF NIGERIA'S SECURITY AND DEFENSE INSTITUTIONS .(forgive my cap locked type set but the point had to be communicated). I have never been in the camp of those who call the Aussie a "mad man" .I think he is a very smart and man who has been used as tool,an intelligent and by the view of some people believable and trustworthy individual who has simply been coned. The question then is how do you con a very smart individual? It's quite straight forward.For a self confident and intelligent individual like that who is on an assignment with the hopes of a nation relying on him to find a way to negotiate/ secure the release of the girls captured by boko haram (why this atrocious situation has to be the case is discussion for another day) ,whatever information you wish to pass to him and have him believe, you must never make it easy for him. Have him jump through a series of hoops ,make him feel truly endangered and afraid for his life in the cause of his "work"(?), let him believe he has gained a bit of trust of people within factions of what he is led to believe are boko haram terrorists who might be genuine but all the while leading him to a path that has already been determined by the con runners. Let him have some information that while true is not widely known making him feel privileged (when that information becomes common knowledge much later) , leak some information about boko haram that while interesting and earthshaking puts the group in no real strategic danger or setbacks when revealed publicly. For the coup de grace plant carefully designed but very false information to slip to him. Hell they wouldn't have told him they would more likely have made it seem to him (the target of the con) that he discovered the information himself. The target of the con MR Davis IS OBLIVIOUS OF THE FACT THAT SOMEONE/GROUP RAN A LONG CON ON HIM. We all know that the truth you are told is just believable information but the truth you "find out through painstaking work" you will regard as life itself. As someone who was born and raised in the north I have never fallen for the myth of the north(northerners) being less intelligent than the others southerners.I grew up with them I went to some of the best schools in the north with the children of contemporary northerners and I tell you they are smart.There are good ones and there are bad ones. The failure of the south more specifically south easterners and south southerners to realize that they are in conflict (in a manner of speaking after all politics,is war by other means) with very intelligent people,has led them into major strategic blunders a situation which perseveres to this day. Taking it further the people who orchestrated the name dropping of Ihekirika and Azazi know that reasonable analysts will throw the accusation away but what they hoped to achieve , what they might yet achieve with this is to discredit all top ranking Igbos and south southerners in the security services in this country. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC ATTEMPT TO BLACKLIST DISENFRANCHISE SOUTH EASTERNERS AND SOUTH SOUTHERNERS FROM THE TOP HIERARCHY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND SECURITY SERVICES OF NIGERIA FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. Obasanjo let it slip when he alluded to the possible resolve by people he never identified (possibly the owners of nigeria(?) to never let an Ijaw man (read south southerner) to assume the most powerful position in Nigeria again. The allegations against Ihejirika and Azazi and by extension Jonathan won't stick,but if the plan of the people who put it in motion works ,it will bring so much institutional distrust and discrimination against military personnel and security personnel from the south south,south east at the highest levels in Nigeria essentially reinstituting the defacto policy of Nigeria's security apparatus since 1970. |
kingchuks101: Dear Mr Davis, the Australian Negotiator,. More than likely his own brain has been used against the current government of Nigeria and it's allies. The scenario is one I laid out in an earlier thread last night.I for one do not think the Aussie is a "mad man" as most people seem to call him. I think he is a tool,a supposedly intelligent and by the view of some people believable individual who has simply been coned. |
Onyegecha: Why are we so paranoid about the break up of this monstrous entity called Nigeria; a land that consumes its inhabitants and rewards those that love her with bitterness? Please let this country break up but PEACEFULLY. I don't see why rational human beings cannot understand when the game is up and do the needful without much ado.I have wondered about this for a long time.Less than fifteen days from now,the people of Scotland would be voting whether or not to continue their existence as a component of the British union or to go as a different country.We are talking about a union that has existed for the past 300 years. The possibility that the vote might be YES (for separation from Britain) is just as much as that the vote could be NO(for continued union with Britain). If a country has managed 300 years under the most peaceful arrangement and still feel incompatible enough to seriously consider separation what would one say of Nigeria. |
omoalaro: Those struggling to deny Ihejirika's complicity would have been jumping up and down with joy and praises for the aussie if he had mentioned Buhari. They wouldn't bother to ask for any evidence. But now, the aussie is a mad man talking trash.I for one do not think the Aussie is a "mad man" I think he is a tool,a supposedly intelligent and by the view of some people believable individual who has simply been coned. Have him jump through a series of hoops ,make him feel truly endangered and afraid for his life in the cause of his "work"(?), let him believe he has gained a bit of trust of people within factions of what he is led to believe are boko haram terrorists who might be genuine but all the while leading him to a path that has already been determined by the con runners let him have some information that while true is not widely known making him feel privileged (when that information becomes common knowledge much later) , leak some information about boko haram that while interesting and earth shaking puts the group in no real strategic danger or setbacks then for the coup de grace plant carefully designed but very false information to slip to him. Hell the wouldn't seemingly have told him they would more likely have made it seem to the target of the con that he discovered the information himself. The target of the con MR AUSTRALIAN NEGOTIATOR IS OBLIVIOUS OF THE FACT THAT SOMEONE/GROUP RAN A LONG CON ON HIM. We all know that the truth you are told is just believable information but the truth you "find out through painstaking work" you will regard as life. As someone who was born and raised in the north I have never fallen for the myth of the north(northerners) being less intelligent than the others southerners.I grew up with them I went to some of the best schools I, the north with the children of contemporary northerners and I tell you they are smart.The failure of the south more specifically south easterners and south southerners to realize that they are in conflict (in a manner of speaking ) with very intelligent people,has led them into major strategic blunders a situation which perseveres to this day. |
nku5: For me this is a very simple matter. There should be a very serious investigation and all the actors like ihejirika, modu sheriff, the aussie etc should be thoroughly questioned and the outcome should be widely publicised in the full glare of foreign media.The smartest post made on this matter.Taking it further the people who orchestrated the name dropping of Ihekirika and Azazi know that any reasonable analyst will throw the accusation away as it is illogical but what they (the orchestrators) hoped to achieve , what they might yet achieve with this is to discredit all top ranking Igbos and south southerners in the security services in this country. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC ATTEMPT TO BLACKLIST AND DISENFRANCHISE SOUTH EASTERNERS AND SOUTH SOUTHERNERS FROM THE TOP HIERARCHY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND SECURITY SERVICES OF NIGERIA FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. Obasanjo let it slip in his infamous letter last year,when he alluded to the possible resolve by (the owners of nigeria(?) to never let an ijaw man (read south southerner) to assume the most powerful position in Nigeria again. The allegations against Ihejirika and Azazi and by extension Jonathan won't stick,but if the plan of the people who put it in motion works ,it will bring so much institutional distrust and discrimination against military personnel and security personnel from the south south,south east at the highest levels in Nigeria essentially reinstituting the defacto policy of Nigeria's security apparatus since 1970. |
nku5: For me this is a very simple matter. There should be a very serious investigation and all the actors like ihejirika, modu sheriff, the aussie etc should be thoroughly questioned and the outcome should be widely publicised in the full glare of foreign media.The smartest post made on this matter.Taking it further the people who orchestrated the name dropping of Ihekirika and Azazi know that any reasonable analysts will throw the accusation away but what the hoped to achieve , what they might yet achive with this is to discredit all top ranking Igbos and south southerners in the security services in this country. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC ATTEMPT TO BLACKLIST DISENFRANCHISE SOUTH EASTERNERS AND SOUTH SOUTHERNERS FROM THE TOP HIERARCHY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND SECURITY SERVICES OF NIGERIA FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. Obasanjo let it slip when he alluded to the possible resolve by (the owners of nigeria(?) to never let an ijaw man (read south southerner) to assume the most powerful position in Nigeria. The allegations against Ihejirika and Azazi and by extension Jonathan won't stick,but if the plan of the people who put it in motion works ,it will bring so much institutional distrust and discrimination against military personnel security personnel from the south south,south east at the highest levels in Nigeria essentially reinstituting the defacto policy of Nigerias security apparatus since 1970. |
nku5: For me this is a very simple matter. There should be a very serious investigation and all the actors like ihejirika, modu sheriff, the aussie etc should be thoroughly questioned and the outcome should be widely publicised in the full glare of foreign media.The smartest post made on this matter.Taking it further the people who orchestrated the name dropping of Ihekirika and Azazi know that any reasonable analysts will throw the accusation away but what the hoped to achieve , what they might yet achive with this is to discredit all top ranking Igbos and south southerners in the security services in this country. THIS IS A SYSTEMATIC ATTEMPT TO BLACKLIST DISENFRANCHISE SOUTH EASTERNERS AND SOUTH SOUTHERNERS FROM THE TOP HIERARCHY OF THE ARMED FORCES AND SECURITY SERVICES OF NIGERIA FOR THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. Obasanjo let it slip when he alluded to the possible resolve by (the owners of nigeria(?) to never let an ijaw man (read south southerner) to assume the most powerful position in Nigeria. The allegations against Ihejirika and Azazi and by extension Jonathan won't stick,but if the plan of the people who put it in motion works ,it will bring so much institutional distrust and discrimination against military personnel security personnel from the south south,south east at the highest levels in Nigeria essentially reinstituting the defacto policy of Nigeria since 1970. |
"How many terror suspects have the US arrested just because they suspect they have link with terrorist groups let alone know for sure but without proof as you wrote?" To be honest,NONE at least none have been arrested without proof and held beyond the stipulated limit for incarceration without charging them to court. We are not talking about those kidnapped off the streets secretly and hidden in one deep hole indefinitely. If GEJ were to do that I would be the first to call for his head because I recognize that even if he was 100% sure of the culpability of the person and no proof he can present ,leaving that kind of power in his hands may not be dangerous but will be devastating when another man (read northerner) replaces him. |
TolaniLuv: Because of people like you! Nigeria will never move forward. Civil war that was in the past, I'm guess you would want Nigerians to apologize or what do y'all want? I won't even have any tribal issue with you . I'm focusing on the topic and ur option about civil war shows that you are still living in the past . Typical black people mentality !!!My friend,no country in modern times has made any progress POLITICALLY by avoiding honest and serious intellectual discussions regarding the wars in their history whether three years ago or three hundred years ago. The Nigerian civil war is not nearly past enough for us to act like it never happened but we are all hostages to the issues that precipitated that war no amount of denial will change that. Scotland is voting in 20 days time to decide if they still want to be part of Great Britain or not inspire of three hundred years as part of Britain. No one can genuinely argue that the various components of Nigerian Union/federation have a better deal than Scotland in the National structure of the British union but they seem unsatisfied enough to want to vote their way out of the Union its is only sustained and reasonable honest discussions that have led to this happening peacefully if we (Nigeria) continue this way we would come to this same stage sooner than later and it will happen on a far larger,distributed scale violently. Talking about the civil war and the issues raised/ leading to ot is critical at this point in our national life.To not talk about it is to let the issues fester until an amputation becomes the only recourse. |
nduchucks: Stop smearing the good name of the Nigerian government. These documented attrocities and war crimes have never been the policy of the Nigerian Government. It is not the policy of the Nigerian Government to have soldiers slitting the throats of Boko Haram suspects and dumping their bodies in a mass grave.Are you sure you are not talking about bokoharam and Isis? If you has said the Nigerian military summarily executed BokoHaram suspects obviously by shooting them,I would say plausible the NA has a long history of doing that.Your allegations about slitting throats exposes your attempts to throw different kinds of sh.it on the wall and see which one sticks |
gists: You just violated one of the forum rules trying to impersonate the original Cramjones.I gave this answer in a different thread but I think it applies to your post as well. Have you never had the term"actionable intelligence" ? In a nutshell it means you suspect an individual / group is responsible for something and your intelligence "sources" indicate that they are indeed responsible .Your intelligence service also has the fortune of finding evidence that confirms the suspicions and intelligence.With actionable intelligence you can act:arrest,prosecute and war(in the case of nation states). Finding evidence for something you know someone is doing/has done is not as easy as you think it is.The target of the suspicion only needs to be halfway intelligent to avoid creating a connection between themselves and the act(s) they are suspected off.Examples of this situation abound: In the US most of the mafia bosses could not be arrested not to mention prosecuted even when everyone and their mother knew how dirty and evil they were in some cases the FBI used tangential case like tax evasion to send a major crime boss to jail for 25 years because they couldn't "link him" (note the phrase) to the crimes of racketeering,murder,drug dealing and smuggling that they "knew" he was forehead deep involved in.They "knew" but couldn't touch him just like the president said he "knows" BokoHaram sponsors. In the US and Europe there are individuals who are known to the intelligence services as being involved in terrorism and plans to commit terrorist attacks but the only put them on surveillance because while they "know" the can not prove it especially when such suspects know the they are "persons of interest" .Even with the massive surveillance some of them still get to do what they plan to do. Knowing and proving are two different things in these days of "CIVIL Rights".You may know and be 100% right in what you know but if you can't prove it then you can not "ACT". Knowing is not the problem ,getting proof is the challenge the world over a situation made all that much harder for Nigeria with the deliberate underdevelopment the security services had to put up with since 1985 mind you. If GEJ or the SSS or the COAS or any other security service head come on stage to list out the sponsors they are sure of but have not gotten actionable Intel on ,you will crucify them saying its political. |
mikeansy: How did we get to a point where a muderous terrorist in the comfort of his abode makes a wild claim about the former head of the army and people believe it hook line and sinker?I'm surprised you have to ask.This is the same country that EDUCATED people (supposedly),believed that crap about kola nut could cure /prevent Ebola and even after that farce was debunked believed a more ridiculous claim that salt and pepper (or is it water) could prevent Ebola. Now an almighty Australian claims the former COAS was a frontline supporter /sponsor of bokoharam what do you suppose these same Nigerians will believe. |
You spy on your friends and spy more aggressively on your enemies. It's called "keeping an eye on things" in intelligence circles every who can does it only a foolish head of state will actually seek to stop it. I use the term foolish because you can be sure the intelligence brass will never really follow that other even though they tell you otherwise. Throughout history for the most part, intelligence agencies have a different notion of what is in a country's best interests from the political leadership of that country.This stems from many reasons but most prominent among them is the age old notion among spy's and soldiers that: politicians serve for short term(s) but patriots serve for lifetimes. Obviously the variation from this trend is in dictatorship states where the dictator is the all in all. |
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dridowu: So Ihejirika has no proof yet he name El-Rufai has one of the brain behind boko ? Then while naming without concrete proof but El-Rufai on the hand provide the link to its news where Ihejirka was named not that he categorically mention Ihejirka name , the link is AriseTv , a sister company to Thisday Newspaper, which most PDP lovers believe they are unbias in their work ?Have you never had the term"actionable intelligence" ? In a nutshell it means you suspect an individual / group is responsible for something and your intelligence "sources" indicate that they are indeed responsible .Your intelligence service also has the fortune of finding evidence that confirms the suspicions and intelligence.With actionable intelligence you can act:arrest,prosecute and war(in the case of nation states). Finding evidence for something you know someone is doing/has done is not as easy as you think it is.The target of the suspicion only needs to be halfway intelligent to avoid creating a connection between themselves and the act(s) they are suspected off.Examples of this situation abound: In the US most of the mafia bosses could not be arrested not to mention prosecuted even when everyone and their mother knew how dirty and evil they were in some cases the FBI used tangential case like tax evasion to send a major crime boss to jail for 25 years because they couldn't "link him" (note the phrase) to the crimes of racketeering,murder,drug dealing and smuggling that they "knew" he was forehead deep involved in.They "knew" but couldn't touch him just like the president said he "knows" BokoHaram sponsors. In the US and Europe there are individuals who are known to the intelligence services as being involved in terrorism and plans to commit terrorist attacks but the only put them on surveillance because while they "know" the can not prove it especially when such suspects know the they are "persons of interest" .Even with the massive surveillance some of them still get to do what they plan to do. Knowing and proving are two different things in these days of "CIVIL Rights".You may know and be 100% right in what you know but if you can't prove it then you can not "ACT". Knowing is not the problem ,getting proof is the challenge the world over a situation made all that much harder for Nigeria with the deliberate underdevelopment the security services had to put up with since 1985 mind you. If GEJ or the SSS or the COAS or any other security service head come on stage to list out the sponsors they are sure of but have not gotten actionable Intel on ,you will crucify them saying its political. |
agabaI23: Well I am one of those who believe that it is still possible to tame them. If the tamil tigers were rounded up and disarmed, then I think anything is possibleJust so you know,it took the government of Sri Lanka thirty (30) years to beat the Tamil rebels.Do not make it seem like it happened in one go. |
ayusco85: Talk about spying on their citizens..... The movei serries "Person of interest" comes to mind....... The machineI can't wait for the next season starting 23rd September. |
lafuria1: Do they monitor chats as well. People don't have to communicate via a phone call to pass messages. With the public knowing of this info from ncc, evil doers will simply stick to BBM chat and that isn't easy to monitor.Not if the government gets RIM to provide a monitoring platform for them which RIM will do.They already provide this in the US ,Canada, UAE,SAUDI Arabia India and China and this was as far back as 2010 . Read it up. |
GetUmad: Pls call one of the numbers above ASAP. |
[quote author=jpphilips][/quote]I hope you know you wasted your time trying to educate that dolt.Rational reasoning is a concept alien to that fellow. |
cococandy: When will you get sense?I blame you for paying that simpleton any attention.He is delusional I have said it so many times. "Ebola is a hoax Idi Amin was a hero of the Ugandan people Abacha was the best leader Nigeria has ever had after Buhari of course" If you are wise you will see a pattern and steer clear of him. |
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