₦airaland Forum

sbeezy8:
lol nonsense

lol so what if SE are integrated ? so are edo urhobos igalas nupe, efiks, etc other tribes so what is your point?

2) we dont need to trust eachother SE will play junior partner in 2015.

3) cant really say to much about "SS" cause i kno TOO  many urhobos itsekiris edo who do not believe in zoning AT ALL N when GEJ leaves they dont know who they will vote for in FOUR YRS!

--- also keep in mind the current political landscape with the SE+ NW  teaming up- why would any sensible person team up with the SE in the future?

4) YOU WERE TALKIN TRIBALISTIC JARGONS BEFORE SO WHY THE CHANGE NOW?

5) I  can tell you now SE is not even the mind of being president in 2015.

VP is your choice take it or leave it.

either GEJ whos already there or FASHOLA (who i feel shouldnt run for president) or some other NORTHERNER.

Eziachi:
What you are saying is if GEJ swapped places today with Pat Utomi, you will still have him as the chosen one? If GEJ was running under PRP he will be chosen by the SE. The culture of NIGERIA democracy is to look at who is in position at that moment, whether he is a goat i not their concern, he/she is the man. Has nothing to do with being IGBO Amaechi/Chime I used is based on what people say about to with regards to govt governance not because they Igbo.

The political watch also known as political jobber? They will tell you that the sun rises and set in the north if they have to. Because PDP pulled a masterstroke on Igbo caalling Jonathan Ebele/Azikiwe in 2011 does mean that ED clarke and the Ijaw will not throw the first stone of Igbos if they had to. Based on history, as long as South is concern only the Ibibio/Efik/Annang will a go to sleep with my both eyes shut. You don't have believe me, ask the elder in your family, village or town.

Probably he is not good enough, but that is not the reason the paint a man just because he is contesting against your choice. Our own IKEMBA was a victim of such labelling. Ndigbo for 40 years has suffered over such labelling. That is why I was mad with PDP riggers in the SS/SE because GEJ don't need to rig to beat Buhari in both zones. If Nigeria judiciary can stnd up for the truth, their action may cost GEJ going to another election, he should have in the first place.
You don't realise that you mother I mention was a metaphor what can I say.

If I claim to be an expert, I won't be discussing with you, would I? However, I don't discount your opinion either, I punture and disect them wherever I needed to do so.

As for me of all people not backing my thought with fact means that you not been reading my contribution or you chose not to acknowlege them.

A free/new independent Biafra that will end up being like the OLD Nigeria will in effect be called a mini Nigeria.

I don't, had never or will ever pitch any tent, let alone hope on any Nigerian politician. Even if that is the case, you made it look like thre are to candiates in the damn election.

If you now claimed that you chose GEJ over Atiku because of his magic wand on power sector, where are we now then with that?

But I don't have selective memory like some- I remberedthat the hardcore northerners said it was still their turn and Jonathan and his supporters from both north/south force fed everybody that zoning is now dead and income merit. He has more money to bribe delegates than Atiku and promised PDP governors an automatic ticket to buy their support. This events only happened just few months ago and you are already re-writing it?
There is every chance he will run again, because the language style of his supporter is already mirrowing that of Abacha/OBJ in that regard with president for life/3rd term agenda.

If he is not in the position to give power, he shouldn't be promising it and what does that make him if he promised what he cannot give? But remember that whoever that is in power in Nigeria,always gets his way, until the person officially lose the power. Apart from 1993, Nigeria don't do level playing field, like given everybody equal access to the likes of NTA/FRCN when it comes to politic or electioneering.

I dont think I heaped any insult on you and if it looks like that to you, then I am giving you my unreserved apologY and to say that I am sorry.
If I needed to insult anybody, it has to be guys or people like you whom I percieved to be of the Igbo stock like me, as that will show you that my opinion is not borne out of tribal/ethnic malice. I feel comfortable talking freely to my fellow Igbo in uncertain terms because if I do the same to others, it will easily be mis-interpreted.

My brother, I had shame, a lot of it, hence all the things I am telling you is based on how shameful a feel with attitude of those claiming to lead my people. Our ancestors told us that "It is the brother of the mad man running neck in the market square that feels ashamed, not the the necked man himself".

ekt_bear:
Can we just merge back up the 6 SW states and have 'em governed by a British style parliamentary system again?

The dude is too talented to just be governing Lagos State alone. I'd like to see his talents used for something more.

Eziachi:
A varied opinion does not represent a anti somebody as being promoted by the so called educated people like you to confused the already confused people. Those who hate the damned Nigeria but always pretends otherwise.

Like I said above, people like you bended Nigeria the way it has found herself today. Why would SE choice be limited to GEJ if not because its a tradition of people  like you that once anyone is in power, he is the alpha and Omega, if not how is GEJ better than a candidate Amaechi, Chime or Utomi who quit becuase he knew the winner is not chosen on merit but on tribal/selfish reasons.
You chose to see anything good from your tribal or regional prism?

There is nothing astue about an independent registered party like APGA not to field a candidate in order to help another opposing party when there no alliance between the two parties. Whether they chose to vote for PDP/Jonathan, APGA should have fielded a candidate for moral/psychological reasons.  Even if fielded a non Igbo person as their choice of candidate just like ACN used/messed up Ribadu when they could have posted on of their own.
Doing that will give APGA the excuse to campaign all over the country and strengthened their local candidates in other elections and fan base.

Tell me how individual nature of my own Igbo nation favoured Jonathan? Because himself and his Ijaw people loved us so much on many occassions that requires that? How can most SE believed in aspiration of Buhari when people like you were running around like headless chickens telling blantant lies against the guy, with all the states TV/RADIO singing it like parrot to the most distant part of our land with no chance of rebuttal.
All NTA/FRCN doing the same and the guy can only speak or make a diffence through foreign medium like the BBC.  When was the last time your mother or grandmother listens to BBC world service? Where was this sudden melancholic hostility toward Buhari in 2003/2007. They may not have voted him in their millions but not as hostile as today as fuelled by people like you because you foolishly hoped that Jonathan will hand over to you in 2015, so you see a Buhari's candidacy as a clog in the wheel in 2015.

Stop kidding yourself. You have neither kill one birth, let alone two. You enthroned minority tribe, whose people love to hate you more than you can ever image and when push comes to shove they will look else where- cousins/Renaissance my backside!
I kept telling myopic people like you that the only Southern group that will honestly to trusted by Ndigbo without much fear are the Ibibios, Efik and Annang people. The rest? Just forget it.

If you have fact to backup you pronoucement, that will be nice rather than your irrational personal feelings turned into Economic Blue Prints. Many of you have either selective/short memory or non at all. Being an ex dictator because the person served under the military like David Mark, Jona Jang and others does not make one a bad economy manager. To people like you, 2011 election's expidiency Buhari is an ex dictator but our own sons like Ndubuisi Kanu or Ebitu Ukiwe aren't even when they are in the same board and Rawlings in GHANA was a saint too irrespective.

In a realised Biafra, any SE person that chose reason like you must be banished into exile,unless we will become a mini Nigeria.

During the primaries people like you are singing that zoning is dead and after the election, the same mouth/tongue long with GEJ himself start talking about the same zoning that was dead? Does some of you have any shame? Don't you get embarrased with this sort of things? Because I will be totally. How do you guys sleep at night?

Forget about long speech above, come 2015 Jonathan may change his tone and run again  because he seem a man you can't trust his words. But whether the northern elite will buy it again, since their foe Buhari will no longer be running is another debate.
But he kept to his words and decide to step aside, he will not be handing over to the SE and neither will Fashola be in the Aso Rock too, no matter how much the Western media project/sale him from day one. GEJ if not running will hand over to the North as he promised them and remember the Sambo factor too, GEJ may pitch his tent with him to cover his backside.
then if it gets too bad for everybody, then Nigeria will disappear as predicted by some.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee! My brother/Friend, SE position now is worse than it has ever been since 1999 and if people like you leading our people cannot see it, then this the biggest tribal rant or whine ever.
Ka Chineke Mezie Okwu

ekt_bear:
1. There is a 90% chance that the position will not serve the SW well. It'll probably be another Bankole. In this case, the SW gains nothing, and the ACN also gains nothing.
2. However, there is a 10% chance the guy does a good job, both for Nigeria as a whole and the SW. In this case, the ACN suffers somewhat, since this means a strong challenger against the governor of whichever state the speaker is from.

Long story short, I like the ACN, but my primary loyalty is to the SW. A badly performing SW speaker doesn't hurt the region at all and doesn't really hurt the ACN much either. However, on the off chance that this speaker does well, then the region benefits.
If the PDP guy performs well, then he'll stand a good chance of running for governor if the ACN guy slips up. I think that is overall a win for the SW, even if it is a loss for the ACN.
Call it what you like 
Hehe, you might have a point 

Beaf:
Sahara Reporters again? LOLZZ!!!

ekt_bear:
I'm not convinced that the position will necessarily serve the SW that well. You are correct, there is a tendency for whoever occupies it to look out only for their own personal interest.

This is the whole problem with your reasoning. The interests of the ACN overlap 90% of the time with that of the SW, but not all the time. This is one of those times when the interests of the ACN differs from that of the SW region as a whole.

Absolutely fine by me. Only way you'll be able to do this is to deliver more to the SW than the current crop of leaders in the ACN are doing. If this PDP speaker delivers, then the PDP in the SW will grow stronger. But not through destroying the ACN, but through strengthening the region.

*Shrug* It will either be him lining his pocket, this Tambuwal guy or some dude from the SE. I'll take my chances that the SW guy will at least try to do something minimally good.

I'm not gloating at all. I wasn't the one who started the various anti-Yoruba threads after GEJ one, including "The biggest loser is the SW."

ekt_bear:
If GEJ privatizes electricity as planned, he'll easily be Nigeria's greatest president ever.

That is just to tell you how important it is.

jason123:
LOL
At least you did your analysis based on what you perceive, which is good. I am not against it.
Have you EVER wondered why the USA said the country will split 2015
Okay, here goes:


First of all, most Igbos supported GEJ, not because GEJ will develop the country but because GEJ's name was is "Azikwe". Hence, they felt more affiliated to him. Apart from the fact that GEJ openly cajoled the SE delegated and lawmakers to do away with zoning (which they are fighting to bring back now, such hypocrisy!), he meet Ojukwu and Ohnaeze, and promised Ndigbo "special" treatment if he wins. This the the main reason why Ndigbo was angry when they did not get the Senate presidency or Speaker. To confirm what I typed, people should notice that everytime those positioned are mentioned, SOME Ndigbo scholars will scream 5 million SE votes just for GEJ without giving it a taught that the North alone produced and delivered more votes than them.
Lol, well if you call it "tactical astute", then good for you since you want to deceive yourself.
APGA did not produce a candidate not only because of the reasons I earlier stated above but also because they had not political back-bone. APGA would have LOST RESOUNDINGLY if they had produced a candidate even in Igbo land.
As for CPC, yes they lost but at least with diginty in truth and light.
For ACN, they had a FREE AND FAIR election and if that was the results, then, so be it. Atleast, they did not produce "magic numbers".
You see, the thing is, there is nothing hidden under the sun. If CPC and ACN rigged the election, then they will be judged. If not, the people that rigged will be judged.

Okay, you did not vote for Buhari but would have voted for IBB. Why is that Lol   . You would have done that if Buhari had picked a SE vice but he did not. So should I now accuse the SE of TRIBALISM Certainly not. The thing about some of you guys is that, if the Yorubas or Hausas had done the same and voted along "na my person" line, you will be the first person to scream "TRIBALISTIC YORUBAS AND JIHADIST HAUSAS" when you OPENLY practiced the same thing you accuse them of.

So the bone of contention is: You voted for GEJ because other candidates did not pick a SE VP but picked SS and SW VPs. Now, that is tribalistic, don't you think?
Well, if you think so, then GOOD LUCK. But hold on, was it not some people that started accusing the SS of betrayal when the Senate and speaker position was not "zoned" to the SE?? . . . . . . .

Okay, so you agree that you voted for GEJ because of some benefits?

No, it will be FAIR if you deny the SW and give it to the SE because you guys "single-handedly" voted GEJ in.


Lol, this is just ridiculous.
Okay, will you be happy if some one like Fashola or Amechi do not get the opportunity to rule this country I mean, Nigeria and their backward (almost senseless) thinking. So simply because we want 2015 to be from a man from Igbo extract, we will put to hold another 8years of development Do you not think that is selfish?

So, 2015, you think the North will not vote for a muslim What happened to a muslim-muslim ticket Well, I need not say much.

Let me leave you with this, an attempt to betray or over look Fashola will spell DOOM for Nigeria.

1)Lagos will be a HOT SPOT especially if Fashola lost after all the good will he extended towards the Ndigbo community in Lagos and cabinet.

2) The STRONG relationship and LITTLE trust between Igbos and Yorubas will be OVER. Because most Yorubas like Igbos based on their eagerness towards development and all which they share with the Yorubas hence Yorubas and Igbos have NEVER FOUGHT but Yorubas and Hausa have.

3) The moment the SW sense any foul play in the polity, you can be rest assured that the poliical mood of the SW will change. That is, they will form bonds with every ethnic group in Nigeria including the Fulani (whom they have mixed up with in Kwara and Kogi) but not Ndigbo. You know what will follow up next, don't you?
PS: the reason why I said Lagos and other SW and SS will be hot is because you are trying to tell them that they do not control their political destiny.

Btw, there is a saying, In politics, there is no premanent friendship, only interest". I am waiting for 2015 to see the SS-SE combo!!!!

A very strong contradiction.
Look, what unites the south (apart from the collective dislike of the North) is the development and progressive idealogy we all share and crave for! The moment we start playing for power instead of progress and collective interests, that will be the moment every one in the South will realise that we do not share anything in common which will be sad and bitterly painful.

To end it all, I want to say that you should not take this as a tribal or ethnic bash. Instead, try to counter my point.
I might have said some unpleasant words but it is the reality.
2015, get a Fashola and Amechi ticket ( I do not care who becomes VP) and we the south can pass our ideology of progress,tolerance and aggressive development  to the rest of the country.
I will be waiting for your counter!!!

clemcykul:
@emeka/all
one Nigeria? do the northerners bliv u? do you think if the northerners have a little of the resources other regions possess, do u think they will not be agitating for separation? so much for one Nigeria, since the civil war that one region fought single handedly, till date can you honestly point out any dramatic/significant change in the living standard of Nigerians as a whole?

i still maintain my stance, that the republic of Biafra will do abundantly well on its own. we don't need Nigeria anymore, enough of the marginalization of easterners.

infact i strongly believe that the northerners are the ones retarding the social, economic, and political development of your Nigeria.

T9ksy:
We yorubas don't really care about the SGF post or speaker, for that matter.
we are more concern about developing our region.
If the post really means that much to you guys after helping to rig you brother into power, then you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

I certainly hope the post goes to the ibos after losing out on the Speaker post. Let's see how the said post benefits the common ibo people.

Shooooorrrr!

jason123:
Bro, I really like what our governors in the SS are doing but you have to hand it to Fashola, he is TRYING! Lagos state is a NON-OIL producing state. Also, compare the population of, lets say Rivers state to Lagos, even though rivers state has more land mass.

Lagos state is the smallest state in Nigeria, yet it has over 18 million people. Couple that with the various ethnic groups that occupy Lagos in LARGE QUANTITIES, it must be difficult to manage them without any ethnic clash as we have had in Jos and other Northern states. Again, there has been on religious bigotry in Lagos, knowing that Fashola is a muslim, and I can say Lagos id 50% a piece between muslims and christains.

Now, [b]Amechi is a very good governor but not as good as Fashola. [/b]Why, apart from what I stated above, which project in Nigeria is as big as Eko Atantic or the KFZ* projects or the rail way (I know Amechi is doing something similar)  . . .I can go on and on and on.

You have to give it to the guy. He is a focused man.

bk.babe97y:
Wow, thanks to Ibos the only black country that has Super Power potential is going down the drain. My only joy though is that Ibos have been shown that they are inconsequential and irrelevant in Nigeria despite their rigging prowess. Fifth Class citizens in the land of their birth. That alone, gives me tremendous joy. Freaking cannibalistic monkeys!