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Mujtahida:
Nooo. Please remove my moniker from the topic of the thread. It's not necessary. And moreover I don't want to be getting mentions. Do that and I will fire my first salvo

Afobear:
yes I can ...because they are all bullshits

Mujtahida:
You know with this line of thought there's absolutely nothing one can prove to be a lie in the Bible no matter how outlandish it seems cos all you'd say is that God works in mysterious ways his wonders to perform.

An ass talking to man- lies
A serpent talking to Eve- lies
God raining down stones from heaven against the children of moab - lies
Herod killing all the firstborns in Jesus' time - lies

It is well accepted by biblical scholars that numbers in the bible are usually exaggerated. As in lies.

But for Christians these are all miracles or the mysterious actions of God. Nobody would believe these things if they were in the illiad and odyssey.[/b]They'd call them myths and legends and rightly so for that is what they are. For example [b]Muslims say the Prophet ascended into heaven on a flying horse. Would you as a Christian believe that? You'd probably say it's a lie. But to a Muslim it's the truth. If you ask the Muslim 'why do you believe it's the truth'?
he'd say 'it's written in the Quran'

Catch 22 situation.

Seun:
Really? I’ve never spoken to demons before so I wouldn’t know. Tell us about some of the conversations that you’ve had with the demons.

Humanistme:
sovereign tyrant

OkCornel:
Abeg abeg abeg...

First things first...if you all are discussing contradictions in the Bible...bear in mind that God did not come down from Heaven to write the Bible in English...

First of all, what we know as the Old Testament portion of the bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, while the New Testament was written in Greek, Hebrew. Bear in mind that these were subsequently translated into Latin and later on into English.

In between this translation process... also bear in mind that the process did not involve the use of a google translator, rather it was a manual and pain staking process of having to rewrite the entire scriptures by ink and scrolls and as such errors would be unavoidable in the process...

Starting this process by using the English Bible (preferably KJV or 1599 Geneva translation) is even a faulty foundation to start with...

The original context and content of the scriptures is to an extent lost in between all these translation errors... Even worse off are the subsequent translations of the English Bible into NIV and other translations...with further verses being diluted out of context all in a bid to "help the reader understand better"



Ever wondered why the Koran is preferably maintained in its Arabic format?

If you want to play game of contradictions...I've got tonnes of verses for everyone to feast on. The best way out of this is to get the original writings of the Bible in Hebrew and Greek...and translate them DIRECTLY to English... I think we have the privilege of google translator to help us here...

butterflyl1on:
It is how epigenetics works. Environmental factors such as trauma, stress what we see and experience have been known to activate epigenetic changes. This is scientifically proven.

Epigenetic changes are biological markers on DNA that modify gene expression without altering the underlying sequence.

In other words, it can change skin colour, body markings but not the physical structure itself.

Humanistme:
those things didn't happen. also virgin birth is a popular myth in many ancient cultures.

hopefulLandlord:
No it doesn't!

I intentionally gave you guys that analogy cuz I wanted you to hang on to something at least

If I throw a money at you and you ask me what I want you to do with it and I said its yours, you can do whatever you want with it. from that moment on the money seizes to be mine and whatever you do with it does not involve me at all, at least not in the way those contradictory verses I'm pointing out is

One account said "HE BOUGHT A FIELD WITH THE MONEY AND HUNG HIMSELF"

another said he threw the money at the priests and they didn't want to add it to the treasury so THEY bought a land with the money

Both verses are clear and explicit

Humanistme:
I guess his word isn't everlasting then.

if he is omniscient, why does he change his mind. why didn't he realise punishing generations for the sin of one man is not fair he had to wait for a mortal man to remind him.

I see no love in Yahweh tho. punishing others for the sins of one person is wickedness /tyranny. I mean he is omnipotent he can punish the sinner without the innocents.

Humanistme:
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast.


James 2:24 New International Version (NIV)
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.


is it by faith alone or by faith and works?

welcome to contradiction number3

hopefulLandlord:
This is highly illogical, of course I "indirectly did" just like my $5 bill dropping from my pocket unknown to me probably bought a meal for someone that morning but it doesn't in anyway solve the contradiction I'm pointing and the only way it can solve it is if Judas, when asked what he wanted them to do with the money, said "Buy me the potter's field with it"

He totally relinquished ownership of the money in one account and in another account its said that he bought something with it and even killed himself on it

Humanistme:
myth/lie in the bible

genesis 30:39
And when they mated in front of the white-streaked branches, they gave birth to young that were streaked, speckled, and spotted.


this is not how genetics work.

hopefulLandlord:
This sermon is highly unnecessary and this hermeneutics doesn't solve the contradiction one bit

Did Judas buy the potters field or the priests?

If I throw a money at you and tell you to do whatever you want with it and you use it to buy Methamphetamine. did I buy the Meth or you?

All Judas did was concede ownership of the money in acts while Mathew said he bought a land with the money. there's obviously an unreconcilable contradiction there

Humanistme:
Exodus 20:5 ESV / 229 helpful votes
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,



Ezekiel 18:20 ESV / 183 helpful votes
The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.


these two verses contradict each other.

hopefulLandlord:
Matt 27: 1-7 says Judas bought the land he was buried in while acts 1: 16-18 says the priests bought it.

Mujtahida:
Hahahaha hahahaha @earth's manual. You think your own scriptures is the earth's manual.Kai the believing brain is something else.
Go ahead

butterflyl1on:
I don't know how to tell you this again. ABSTAINING FROM SEX AS A MARRIED COUPLE DURING FASTING AND PRAYER IS A THING OF CHOICE AND NOT A COMMAND and this was why Paul said in verse 6 immediately after the comment on abstinence that "THIS I SAY AS A CONCESSION / PERMISSION AND NOT A COMMAND.

Mujtahida:
Hahahaha hahahaha @earth's manual. You think your own scriptures is the earth's manual.Kai the believing brain is something else.
Go ahead

Mujtahida:
Crossing swords - just a metaphor. Meant no negative thing.

Mujtahida:
Baby? Hmmmmm I hope I'm not discussing with some Christian homo. They exists oo, Christian homo

Mujtahida:
You assume too much as regards my Christian days, too much Bro. You even doubted I was ever truly a Christian but that's lame cos that's what most Christians say to guys who jettison the Faith: 'you were never truly born again' 'you were never truly a Christian' 'you missed out something' etc.

Mujtahida:
Ohhhhhh please, those questions are like asking a divorcee 'were you ever married'?

Mujtahida:
You say so based on what is written in the book.

Mujtahida:
God's inspired book is the work of his hands as seen in nature not some contrivance of men.
Inspired by God yet filled with errors, historical untruths, contradictions, absurdities, outright lies. So much for inspiration

OkCornel:
How can sex in marriage be carnal when God told man to be fruitful and multiply?

Abi are you all thinking God is Spiritual but gives carnal instructions?

Sarassin:
Of course you're invited, anywhere I go, you go...simples

Mujtahida:
You serve a purportedly living God yet all you have done is to quote verses from a book to me. Smh. Anyway I don't want to join issues with you on this thread as regards all you have said. I respect your wishes that I do not derail your thread. Perhaps on some other thread we will cross swords. Cheers

butterflyl1on:
Paul was focussed on sexual immorality to begin with and he wanted this immorality not to encroach into a married couples home due to abstinence in the name of spirikoko bro or sis.

This was why he said, THEY SHOULD ABSTAIN FOR A TIME and then come together again. He was not talking about fasting and prayer being done apart from sex. He was trying to expand the foundation about immorality he laid from chapter 6.

Both husband and wife should agree on how they go about it and stick with this agreement in order to avoid sexual immorality.

If you wish to fast and abstain and your husband wants sex, then you give it to him and you can still fast while at it too. Paul simply wished EVERYONE WAS CELIBATE LIKE HIM because it is hard to totally please God as we want. However sex in marriage is a good thing even while fasting because lengthy abstinence can only bring sin which he called sexual immorality and this he stated in chapter 6 when he talked-about joining our bodies to a harlot (prostitute).

This shows you that prostitution is a very old trade and women have always been available to satisfy men outside wedlock and also women can also stray.

Cool down and carefully read those scriptures.

butterflyl1on:
Exactly! Why discuss it if you can do it freely. However in those rare occasions when you wish to abstain for a while then discuss it and agree on length of abstinence in order to avoid immorality.

It is not a command. It is a concession.

Sarassin:
Allegiance and worship of a female deity did not alter the patriarchal nature of first century Roman Empire and lest we forget even the worship of Asherah persisted in the Jerusalem Temple well into the First century, the Jews were no less patriarchal. In any event, early church members were mainly Greek speaking Jews in diaspora.

It was not disorderliness that lead to Paul commanding women to keep shtum in Church, this command was drawn from prevailing societal attitudes of the day, as you may or may not know amongst other things a Jewish woman may not address another man in public unless she was with her husband or her father. Early Christian writings tell us that women were considered emotional, unreasonable and given to flights of fancy that made them unsuitable for elevated positions. The fact that women received the Holy ghost or Spirit is rather irrelevant, we are talking about societal norms and not spiritual largesse.

The disorderliness that you refer to was more about sundry issues within the church, for instance in one Church (I cannot remember which one at the moment) fights would break out at feast times because by the time working church members arrived at church after work, those who were jobless and sitting around in the church all day would have feasted and drank heavily leaving those who actually went out to work with nothing to eat, it was such sundry issues like these that Paul dealt with.

MizMyColi:
Ehn.
We are saying same same nau.

All I was trying to say in that mischief post is that everything should not always be viewed with this lens of spirikoko, you get? I think that there's some physical aspect to sex. In fact, it is even the physical that helps us connect to the spiritual.

But seriously, maybe if I practice tantra, then I can be concerned about the spirituality of sex.

As for me, na the unspeakable enjoyment na him my brain dey reason. Wait, sometimes, it's like the brain is turned off.

Gosh.

Let me coman go to school abeg.

Sarassin:
Of course you're invited, anywhere I go, you go...simples

MizMyColi: