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shadeyinka:
How come the Jews don't pray blessings on their dead Prophets
Christians don't pray blessings on their dead Prophets

But Allah knows best as to ask Muslims to do so?
Could it be that it wasn't Allah that commanded this but Mohammed himself?

Could it be becos Mohammed knew he was headed where he'd need peace?

Once there was an eclipse of the sun, muhammed got so scared that he ran screaming and crying, he thought the end of the world had come. .

That guy knows he'd end up in hell, hence the command for his followers to pray for his peace.

Poor guy, there's no peace in hell.

tartar9:
"Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed"
Gen 12:3

And?

How does that explain why Mo needs peace in paradise?

LordVoldermort:
Like I said I'm not here to argue I'm going to post all the contradictions I know in the Bible and I'll leave you to deceive yourselves about it

Good a thing you get busted at every turn. What you post you don't even read through to see if they are in context.

I know you google them up, hence you can't defend them when busted.

If you can, try.

salvation101:
are you ready to understand or u are just arguing as usual? U are talking about employee nd employer here and think then is as it is now? When studying history or making a research, you should try to cast your mind back amd think like those people would have thought as at dat time. This is the Jewish culture, they knew what it meant to have the blood of am innocent on them. Judas was ready to sell out and they paid him a price for the betrayal, to them that is the price of blood, that money was cursed. Wen judas realized his foolishness(perhaps , he tried to negotiate if dey could collect the money and release his master wch dey declined, they were not ready to let Jesus go and also they were not ready to have the blood on dem).. He left the money there and went to hang himself on a parcel of land. Since d temple leaders didn't want to keep the money to themselves, they also couldn't put it back to the treasury, they used it to buy a parcel of land on his behalf.

You are wasting your time.

adepeter2027:
I love this part of your point.

But we can observe the growth these microbes with our bare unaided eyes on various media.
Morphologies of these microbes can be describe.
Features of these microbes can be described.

Place à microscope on the table, call a Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Buddhist, Hindu etc to view, they all would agree on what they see through the microscope.

What about god? For years, there haven't been comprehensive explanation for a god. Even among the so called god believers, many disagree on the notion of a god.
You people claim god is spirit. You claim god can be accessed in the spiritual realm. You claim you encounter god but when prompted with questions, you all crawl back to your shell.

Can you pls use that same spiritual eyes to explain God? How he looks like? His complexion? His accent? Etc

Wow, see reasoning. And i'm suppose to really stand and answer this? Boy, move and grow up. You want to see spirits with a microscope.

Wooorissssdisss?

budaatum:
Your question is like asking me to test the potency of Yahweh. Except since it is a non-existing entity, it has no potency so there is nothing to test really.

Hahahahahahahahahahaa. This is why i like having convos with clever people. They know how to be slimy.

I didn't ask you to test the potency of YHWH because i know he won't answer you immediately. You'd have to run your course on earth. He is waiting for you when you breath your last. He will let you run your course on earth, then you'll lay dead, when that happens, lolzzzz

Here is what gives you the audacity to defy YHWH and gets ignored by Him for now.

Ecclesiastes:8:11-12
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him:

So, don't worry, keep on. Death will come for you someday, then you'd know.

But, Obatala and Ogun do not have Judgement days, it is, if you do now, you see now. So, i ask you again, what did you do to defy these gods that you went away with no stink?

budaatum:
The people of Orolu do not make such claims anymore because they only worked as a deterrent in the days when they were used. Nowadays, people defy the ancient taboos and nothing happens to them. So we have abandoned our taboos. Thanks to education, mainly.

@bolded. Do you mean Obatala and Ogun were gods in those days whose potencies worked against those who defied them to act as a deterent, but now works no more?

Really? What gave them the potency to work in those days? I guess you didn't know when you used this stone to smash your testicles.

Okay, these days, People defy Obatala and Ogun and nothing happens, Fine, what kind of ancient Taboos are people defying these days? Can you mention one?

And, What particular Taboos have you personally committed and go unscarred?

I really need to bring Vaxx in here. @Vaxx, this claims this brother is making here, are they true? Is it true that anyone can defy Obatala and go unscarred?


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MuttleyLaff:
If winning means and matters so much to him, then I concede.

It does. That's why i decided to leave it at that. Let him win.

emmayayodeji:
That's not my point

You stated clearly that in d days of old, God punished family members of sinners..

But its not like that again right

Isn't God suppose to be the same everyday
If you cant open your eyes and see that it doesn't add up...

I'm sorry I cNt help u

You need help not me because your eyes are open but you can't see.

You quoted a scripture of which if i asked you to interprete it, you won't know how to, but you are prancing about padding yourself on the back.


If the Bible says 'His Mercies endureth forever, what do you think it's saying?

MuttleyLaff:
Oh yes, they can

Whose money bought it?
Whose nau? Who is the owner of the money that bought it?
Is the money the priests', or is it Judas'?

Its you who doesnt at all, understand each correct answers given you
Read the coming below on what's the meaning of the phrase "Bought the farm"
Dont weep but please try to learn after from reading it

What's the meaning of the phrase 'Bought the farm'?

The New York Times Magazine, March 1954, had a related phrase, in a glossary of jet pilots' slang:
"Bought a plot, had a fatal crash."

That clearly refers to a burial plot.
The 'bought' in that case probably doesn't suggest any actual or potential purchase, but to an earlier use of 'bought', that is, being killed.
This dates back to at least the early 20th century.

This example from 1943 isn't the earliest, but it does make the meaning explicit.
It's from Cyril Ward-Jackson's It's a piece of cake; or, R.A.F. slang made easy:
"He's bought it, he is dead - that is, he has paid with his life."

Specific references to 'the farm' come a little later.
There are reports of the phrase being in use in the US military from 1955 onward.
Here's a citation from 1963, in Ed Miller's Exile to the Stars:
"The police dispatcher says a plane just bought the farm."

There are a few suggested derivations for the phrase.
One, put forward in a 1955 edition of American Speech,
is the idea that when a jet crashes on a farm the farmer may sue the government for compensation.
That would generate a large enough amount of money to pay off the farm's mortgage.
Hence, the pilot paid for the farm with his life.

Another suggestion is the idea that, if a serviceman was killed in action,
his family would receive a payout from the insurance that service personnel were issued with.
This would be sufficient to pay off the family mortgage.
Culled from https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/72850.html

Lastly, a scenario:
Man, before going to work to earn money to pay for everything needed in the house,
gave some money to missus to buy groceries for the family.
Missus, gives part of money to one of her sons, asking him, to go buy a pint of milk for her from the shops
Son, skips to shop and returns back with a carton of milk
Depending on your perspective, Man, missus and son, each and all bought the milk, you do accept. Right?

That guy can argue for all Africans even when the answers are stiring him in the face. He wants to win an arguement by all means.
I no get that time.

budaatum:
My people in Orolu would not do anything to harm their child even if that child sticks two fingers up at their gods. Though, they brought their child up to be sufficiently respectful to others, or they might have bashed the bastards head in at birth - we do take regard for others seriously where I come from, and not believing in what others believe in does not give one reason to be disrespectful to them, is my point here.

Do read my post to awesomeJ, and remember that woman in church? Just as much as awesomeJ does not need to prove anything to me about his guy in New York, so too do I not have to prove to you that gods are not real. Unless I am asking you to be like I am. And I am not asking you to be like me.

Read Bel and the Dragon. While Daniel's God is not given twelve bushels of choice flour and forty sheep and six measures of wine, some give their gods a tenth of their earnings, and it still ends up where Bel's ends up. You wouldn't find this story in mosts Bible though, least they read it and business spoils.

Ogun and Obatala are gods. Owala is actually a river, but we believe it has a spirit, and that spirit is a god, and my people worship them. They are just not real (as gods, that is), like all gods aren't. For all gods are idols made with human minds.

You made a claim, and i asked, on what are you stand to justify your claims?

If i say Gamalin20 is not poisonous to health, hence; won't kill who drinks it, it most follow that i have drank it, not just claim that i have drank it when no one had seen me drink it. I must drink it in the presence of the people i'm making the claims to, so that they too can drink it. because of course that is why you are making the claims.

My position is, you can not do as your Orolu people demands (that is, obey their laws) yet say Obatala and Ogun are the figment of their imaginations.

The only way your claims can be verified is when you defy Obatala and Ogun by going against them, if you walk away unscared, then your claims will be valid.

So, again i ask you, How do you know Obatala and Ogun are not gods (Meaning, impotent)?

Let's look at it from another perspective. I am not from Orolu so doesn't know Obatala and Ogun. I wasn't raised there, so does not know the dos and don'ts of Obatala. But, i met and married you, so by extention, i become a native of Orolu.

If one of Obatala's laws is against infedelity, and the consequence of a defaulter is instant death or every Child i'd ve will die. And, as a wife to an Orolu's son, i obey and remain faithful to you, can i stand and claim that Obatala is just a figment of Orolu's people's imaginations?

Won't it make sense for me to defy Obatala by commiting adultery against you to find out if Obatala is indeed non existent, because no dead came to me or none of my kids died?

Buda, what did you do to try the potency of Obatala?

emmayayodeji:
But isn't god soppose to be the same yesterday today and for ever?



Checkmate!!!

Meaning, If you sin and repent He should not forgive you?

I'm sure you did not think this over.

budaatum:
I did not say I only studied them on paper. I was very specific about the various studies I have done about gods, and I am very careful in my writings. If you can't regard the effort I put in, you would make me not want to bother responding to you. And if you think I would lie, then I definitely will have to not bother responding to you. I do not lie, as a fundamental rule of my existence.

Abeg no vex. I shd ve apologized last night as i responded to this post. I didn't say you lied or that you are a liar, i just needed to know how you got to know that Obatala or Ogun are not gods. The only way you can say that if you had defied them and worked away.

I called those monikers because they are Yoruba so knows those deities and someone like Babalawos worships them. The intent is, if you are not accurate in your presentations, they'd know.

I didn't mean to sound insulting. I'm sorry Buda.

sonofluc1fer:
Have no idea what Fasting prayers means... some sort of new Christian ritual?

You guys don't fast in the kingdom of darkness? I thought satanists fast too.

Ask Lucifer your Dad if he fasts.

butterflyl1on:
That scripture says Abijah stood on a mount and his soldiers were in a valley below. Who knows how far his voice carried in this natural setting? But the Bible doesn't say every single one of the soldiers heard Abijah. Does every single soldier need to personally hear the command of the top officer before he carries out orders?

Besides, one would have to assume that Abijah must have had a rather loud voice which was aided by the valley as it must have acted like an echo chamber or a sound magnifier by virtue of it being a valley (naturally).

You forget the man had super powers. The man had the power of the Holy Spirit resident in him.

hopefulLandlord:
5000, while difficult is still plausible even if you triple it you'll get around 1/100 of 1,200,000. also, Jesus had superpowers and fed them with 5 loaves and 2 fishes so its possible he used his superpowers too for the preaching

I hope you're not pulling false equivalence here?

You mean the Holy Spirit who empowered Jesus with Superpowers wasn't the same in Abijah? Why you dey put mouth for matter wey you no sabi?

Jesus had preached to 7000 men, women and children who are usually more than men, not countered, before feeding them with seven loaves. How did he do it?

By the power of the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit who empowered Abijah

hopefulLandlord:
My position is still as valid as ever, lmao! so you thought and thought for hours then came up with this? hahaha

Lolzzz, i had to think for hours to answer what exactly? You are having this argument for want of what to say, for there's absolutely no meat in your argument.

hopefulLandlord:
He threw the money at them and they asked him what he wanted them to do with the money!!

Yet you said he didn't consent to them buying the land to bury him? See as you dey tie yourself robe.

hopefulLandlord:
You're making it sound like the priests didn't ask him

So the priests asked him what he wanted them to do with his money abi? And he said, i'm out right now to kill myself, you can use the money to buy me a piece of land where you'd bury me when am dead. Yet you are arguing that the money was no longer Judas'? Hahahahaha. No enter pit o

hopefulLandlord:
He consented that the money is no longer his! that's exactly where the consent stopped

You are so confused.

He threw back the money at them, according to you, they asked him what they shd do with the money, and since they used the money to buy land, it follows that that is what he told them to do with the money. But here you are saying, he consented that the money is no longer his. (This sounds like it's coming from a 4yrs old), no offence.

Have you ever bought anything from an ibo man but decided to take it back? Hahahahahahaha. Damaged goods.

Your stance wld have made sense if the Priests took the money from him with appreciation. Na wa for you o.

hopefulLandlord:
what difference does that make exactly? you seem to be grasping at straws here

Lol @ who is grabbing at straws is quick to accuse me of doing so.

Judas sold his friend out, he got proceeds from that transaction, the deal was closed, the money was in his possession, after awhile, he goes back to say, ' I no want the money again, the Jews who have been planning on killing Jesus even when they He was innocent, refused to take the money back. That he threw the money in the temple, didn't make the money another person's. It was still his, because he worked for it.

hopefulLandlord:
If the victim's family took the money and bought something with it then THEY bought that something NOT the kidnapper!

The Operative Word here is 'If'. If the victims family took back the money saying, Afterall it's our money, then went on to call the police, then you can say, whatever the victims family did with the money, the kidnapper's consent wasn't in it.

But, instead of collecting the money, the victims called the police. Let's assume that before the police arrived, the kidnapper shot himself dead, will the money be regarded as the kidnaper's or the victim's family's?

If the police, not knowing how to locate the kidnappers family, decides to bury him, can they use that money for that purpose? Oga me na wa.

hopefulLandlord:
I've been through this before so I'm prepared for any angle you want to divert to

The more i respond the more i realize you are arguing for want of something to say.

hopefulLandlord:
Of course not, your analogy fails on many grounds
They would've simply not let him leave without the money,

Since they forcefully made him sell out his friend abi? They should have force him to go away with the money because they sort him out asking if he could betray Jesus abi? The way i remember it, He carried his two left legs and walked up to them, because following Jesus about, he knew the Jews had been looking for opportunity to kill him, so he volunteered to help them out.

He sat with them, he negotiated the price, he collected it without any force, how then do expect them to force him to back his money.

You don't want it anymore doesn't stop the money from being yours, except you find someone who accepts the money from you.

hopefulLandlord:
immediately they asked him what he wanted them to do with the money and he said they can do whatever they want, they have become the full owner of the money or at least Judas no longer has ownership of the money. That conversation changes a lot

It would have been so, if they accepted the money from him.

Did they accept the money back? If they did, why then did he threw it in the Temple?
Na him and the Temple negotiate the price of Christ's death?

Hope abeg stop this small pikin argument. If i knew your post was this childish i'd not have bothered answering after a tiring day.

hopefulLandlord:
its simple English babe

Not germane

It's not about English, its about Context. You are trying to twist the context out of joint.

Am done here,

And, i'm not 'babe' to you.

hopefulLandlord:
You haven't addressed mine, all the explanations given for who bought the land has failed

Also, you guys didn't address how Abijah was able to talk to 1,200,000 soldiers at once

How was Jesus able to talk to 5thousand men, not counting women and children.

Lol, you have no argument concerning Judas's piece of land. Let me even go back there.

I have very busy.

Arondizuogu:
I have read some passages in the Bible where the scripture says marriage is between a man and a woman. But the world has changed, clearly people back then hid in the proverbial closet. I was talking to this pastor and he told me that it's alright as a boy not to like girls and vice versa. We are living in an Era of Grace even though we were warned not to use Grace as an excuse for sinning. I have this strong opinion of love no matter gender doesn't matter, someone told me that I have to give up such views in order to have a better relationship with God....

This guy is gay

budaatum:
I did not say I only studied them on paper. I was very specific about the various studies I have done about gods, and I am very careful in my writings. If you can't regard the effort I put in, you would make me not want to bother responding to you. And if you think I would lie, then I definitely will have to not bother responding to you. I do not lie, as a fundamental rule of my existence.

You still did not tell me how you knew that these gods don't exist or are impotent. Did you challenge their powers by doing what they said you shouldn't do?

Only YHWH will ignore till judgement Day, but did you try defying Obatala or Ogun?

In my Community there's one which is all male initiates. Even males who are not initiates don't dare venture out when they are performing their rituals. Every door gets locked, all windows closed. No single individual comes out of their houses except the initiate, until they are done.

I would expect that you'd tell me that in a situation like this, you dedied the diety and came out and went about your business as a non initiate, and you went scot free.

See? you being a unbeliever in this instance should defy the deity and venture out to prove it doesn't exist.

Bros abeg, leave this thing.

MuttleyLaff:
butterflyl1on, Emmanystone and OkCornel, I know you all can see the gaping holes in there in PastorAIO's.
It's got more holes in it than a Swiss cheese.
SMH. I don't think it's worth commenting on
The church mouse will easily do an exegesis on this whilst doing press ups

I just came online and saw this. In their minds they are having fun. Pity.

LordVoldermort:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Genesis:2:17


"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
Genesis:3:4

"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."
Genesis:5:5

Who is the liar?

Sorry, i missed this?

You mean YHWH? Hahahahahahahaha.

Oh Wow. Well sir, God is a Spirit and the image he gave to Adam in creation (which is Spirit) is what died in Adam, not his flesh. It is that same life that Jesus came to give back to man.

danvon:
What is going on here? Someone opened a thread asking people to post all their lies and contradictions in the Bible... It's like giving lots of candy to a kid they will be so filled with excitement they won't know which one to pick, I'm shocked

Yeah, they are confused from which to.pick so didn't pick any.

butterflyl1on:
I think I have just about had it with you. What in tarnation makes you carry around this attitude of disdain to anyone and everyone like you are the next best thing since indomie.

We were all having a right ol banter on this thread and you chose to toss all the pieces to the floor and strut around like a pigeon on steroids .

Whatever you have to submit as your so called contradictions or lies are definitely not your intellectual property as somebody else somewhere must-have also ignorantly pointed at the same thing so what's the big deal about it even coming from you?

You act like everyone is after you or like you are a prize Picasso or something. I ain't impressed..... Not in the least.

Muttleylaff was trying to be reasonable and all you were wired to see were "insults" or "subtle digs". Abeg I done tire.

The fun part of the thread is long exhausted and sarassin brought the thunder yet it did not rain but we enjoyed the display of lights though.

So what's new? Thread just got deflated.

Dey tin tire me bro. I think say all the athiests go dey here with their loads of contradictions and Biblical lies, but for where?

OkCornel:
I don't think I might be able to do that anytime soon...

But I'll definitely open it and we'll discuss further from there...

Better.

MuttleyLaff:
You confess your destination, not a seemingly situation, it's just like doing the Shunammite woman's "it is well" thing

Hmmm. Okay.

Happy New Month sir.

OkCornel:
Per the bolded, the consciousness of good and evil came when Adam and Eve ate of that tree...

The Law was just a codified form (with specific instructions) of that consciousness of good and evil...


By the way, the tree of life is the same thing as the bread of life and water of life...

I'll open a thread when I'm chanced to so we can discuss further...

Pls open a thread

hopefulLandlord:
Stop talking like this, you disappoint me

With your first paragraph you're admitting that leprechauns, unicorns, fairies, fire-breathing dragons, mole people, invisible Space Monkeys that float around Adelbaran and mermaids all exist but we just can't see them?

2. Just like your believing Yahweh exists doesn't mean he's there!

3. I don't demand to see any imaginary friend, I know your imaginary friend does not exist! I've always asserted this. if a god exists that created me and wants me to know him I will know him/her/it without any fellow human telling me about him/her/it.

4.Yahweh has deceived you

Okay. Are you happy now? You can now go and leave me alone to my deception. Can you manage that?

You spend too much time talking about my imaginary friend more than i do. Wow. The fear is real.

hopefulLandlord:
stop lying
I reject all religious gods from head to toe

How many times have you seen me type "all religious gods are imaginary, gods like Yahweh, Vishnu, Allah, Olodumare, Chuckwu, Amadioha etc"? I'm sure you've seen that many times in the past but you either pretended not to have seen them or you pretend to only have seen your flavour of imaginary friend

to prove this, copy those gods as I've posted it, paste it on the search bar and you'll see my name everywhere

Enjoy your rebellion, you'd the fruits. No time for fruitless debates.

budaatum:
Whether gods exist or not is not a thing I hold up to standards by which statements of "I believe" or, "I do not believe" apply. I have doneway too much research into the topic for that.

If I do not have money in my pocket, for instance, and know for certain that I do not have money in my pocket (because my hands are in my pocket and I don't feel money there), I would not say, "I believe that I have no money in my pocket", since it would be more accurate to say "I have no money in my pocket.

Now, just so we are clear, If I do have money in my pocket, for instance, and know for certain that I do have money in my pocket (because my hands are in my pocket and I do feel money there), I would not say, "I believe that I have money in my pocket", since it would be more accurate to say "I have money in my pocket".

Where gods are concerned, I have done the equivalent of putting my hands in my pocket and so do not have to 'believe' or 'not believe' since I 'know'.


Remember I told you about me joining in when my people worship Ogun and Owala and Obatala etc, and when I said I went to Church? And I said I went to learn about religions and gods? Well, let me now add that I've been to Mosques and Hindu and Buddhist Temples plus many other godlike worship places to do the same. But I don't just go to worship places to understand their gods just by watching them, I read their books too and worship with them and join in their studies and do a lot of other research about gods kind of like a surgeon who reads history, I too study history of the gods, psychology of gods, sociology of gods, archaeology of gods, and of religions as practised by adherents, plus Swedenborg and numerous others like him.

All that research has proved emphatically to me that gods are human creations, figments of their imaginations. That they do not really exist as entities outside the minds of those who believe in them, and that all civilisation from the beginning of time have created their gods in their own images but really don't know if their gods really exist.

If they knew their gods existed, they too would not believe their gods exist, they will know that their gods exist and would say so.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh you went into their midsts, you studied about them, on the pages of paper and decided they didn't exist. I see.

I don't know much about the gods of your land, but did you try to see their potency by daring to do what the people said shouldn't be done?
You know, it's not enough to join them in dancing their masquerades, eating sacrificed to idols then go away saying, there's nothing there.
Pls me what and what you did to dare the gods of your land that you went away unhurt.

Who will i call who will know if you lied ooo. Sir Muttleylaff is a Christian, Ishilove is a Christian. Butterfly1on is a Christian. PaganNaija, Babalawos, pls come o, this guy says una juju nothing dey inside.

Come ask him questions of what he did to prove that there are no gods in Yorubaland.

Me i see thunderbold, Magun, and i know that no human can cause that.

budaatum:
Its not about "seeing gods", please read what was written below!

If there is evidence for gods like there is evidence for a pit in the ground, the person who refuses to acknowledge their existence will just fall into the pit!

You said it's not about seeing gods, meaning you are not asking to see before you believe
Yet you said the bolded. Hmmm.

Pls tell satan that God doesn't take instructions from his creatures. Men have been on this since satan took some of them as hosts, he has been ignored even by Angels, it wont be different with you guys. Hahahahaha.

OkCornel:
There are many of them, I will bring them out in fragments...

Do you obey this part of the Mosaic Law? If no...what could be your reasons?

Deutoronomy 22 v 11-12;
11"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
12"You shall make yourself tassels on the four corners of your garment with which you cover yourself.…

Leviticus 19:19
'You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.

Pls open a thread and post this there.

OkCornel:
Did you need the Mosaic Laws to tell you incest is unacceptable?

For example, most traditions and customs (ancient and present) around the world forbid incest...did they draw their inspiration from the Mosaic Laws?

Why did Jacob curse Reuben for defiling his bed? Did Jacob and Reuben need any reference to the Mosaic Laws to know what Reuben did was wrong?

I hope YHWH placed His laws in the consciousness of those He created in his likeness?

You know what? Open a thread for that. This is not a place to argue the law of moses. This trade is not about that.