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DeSepiero:
What you call god wasn't powerful enough or smart enough to convince the world in 33 years yet you believe it created the world in 6 days.

Who am I that the only Potentate can't convince me?

You chose the adversary that is why you can't be convinced.

The Seed of Satan will always stand for their father, the prince of darkness.

He wasn't powerful enough yet all the armies which had ever matched on the earth, all the Navies that has ever been built, all the parliament that ever sat and all the kings that ever ruled put together have not affected the life of men on this earth as powerful as that this powerless man.

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, such woman dey,
and dem boku dey

Please, even if and/or when you're doing banter, never again short change yourself
but then I know, you only were fishing for compliment(s) sha, that confirms what and who God says you really are

I didn't realize i short changed myself. How did i do that? Pls let me so that i won't do it again.

alBHAGDADI:
JW are not christians. They are heretics and hold similar beliefs with Islam.

JW are closet atheists. They are materialists. They don't believe in the afterlife (Spiritual realm).

lalasticlala:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bftxf9kHkyT/

Personally, I think Daddy Freeze went too far by insulting Bishop Oyedepo. He could have passed his message without insults. He makes sense a times but the insult is unnecessary.

Nairalanders, what do you think?

Daddyfreeze is a nobody who wants to be known by insulting some body's. But he shall be insulted. In this life, he shall be insulted by people who when he looks at them, he'll begin to cry. Nonsense Ashawo born troway. Make him try go him papa country.

MuttleyLaff:
You're a darling.
Proverbs 31:10-31 personified.

That kind woman dey? I no near

MuttleyLaff:
You're a darling.
Proverbs 31:10-31 personified.

Lemme goan see what it says.

Mujtahida:
Emmanystone, good night. We go talk tomorrow. I do hope our discussion will be carried out in a most charitable and gracious manner. If I speak a word you don't like, let me know. Cheers.

Good nite sir. May your sleep be sweet. No nightmares.

butterflyl1on:


Just in case you did not notice, you just said that the existence of God could be possible and your rejection of God does not mean he does not exist so since this is the case all along why do you then Still try to assert that God does not exist if you actually held this position?

Double standard?

Hopefullanlord doesn't have a pronlem with gods of other religions, his problem is with YHWH and he hasn't pretended about that fact. That guy has a deomn living inside of him, trust me.

DeSepiero:
If God wants an atheist to believe in God, God will provide evidence and convince the atheist.

If the theist wants an atheist to believe in God, the theist will provide evidence and convince the atheist.

He did, He took up flesh and lived here for 33yrs. What elese do you want.

And, who are you to make such a demand of the Only Potentate?

hopefulLandlord:
so one can reject their existence due to lack of evidence, right?

Yet there existed, but you rejected their existence because you couldn't see them, so also with YHWH who is a Spirit.

Now we can see microorganisms but still not with this eyes. You could have died disbelieving their existence without a microspcope. But, they were there.

What actually buggles my mind is, whether you guys don't realise how ridiculous your demands to see God are. God is a Spirit and we can't see excpet with this eyes and this eyes don't see spirits.

Satan just dey deceive una to believe you are smart by making this demands.

DeSepiero:
You ruined your argument with a faulty conclusion.

Atheists don't only doubt because they have not been able to experience him.

In other words, amonsgt other things, they have experienced him yet still doubt or disbelieve him?

budaatum:
People define the atheist as they understand it, just like different people define their gods. I, am an atheist. I do not believe there are no gods.[/b]I know people deify things (concepts and ideas) and call them gods. [b]But as actual existing entities, I know there are no gods.

By responses I get for making such a bold assertion, you may understand why many people might limit themselves to stating a belief that gods don't exist.

Pls what do you mean by, 'I do not believe there are no gods?

How do you know there are no gods? What yardstick have you used to prove that there are indeed no gods?

Gggg102:
in some old threads, I've seen atheist argue that atheism is the lack of belief in god.

they claim that they are atheists not because they 'believe there is no god' but because they 'do not believe there is god'

if it is so, this means they allow a possibility of the existence of god, and hence cannot assert that there is no god.

for example, John tells Bayo that David won a million Naira.

if Bayo states that this never happened, he is being affirmative and he is so sure that it never happened.

if Bayo states that he does not believe it happened, he is allowing a possibility of the event happening because a fact remains a fact regardless of belief (or unbelief). Bayo by virtue of his unbelief agrees that it is possible, but he does not think it happened.

if John repeated this claim to Seun, Bayo cannot say authoritatively that 'this is not true' but can only express his doubt.

for Bayo to state that John's statement is untrue, he has to have be present when the event was said to happen. but he only received information from John and can only disbelieve, allowing a possibility of the statement being true.

therefore atheist by their definition agree that god possibly exists, but only doubt because they have not been able to experience him.
they can't assert that there is no god.



cc hopefullandlord
dalaman
johnnydon22
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Aren't you an atheist?

MuttleyLaff:
Sister, I think I have just seen the reason why Mujtahida wants his moniker removed from the thread's title.
It looks like everytime the thread is replied to, he gets spammed a mention, this because his user ID is in the thread title
cc Emmanystone, butterflyl1on

I have removed it.

Mujtahida:
If you succeed in poking holes through my assertions I'd gladly admit it. It's no big deal. Even in court cases with material value attached to them are won or lost. If you succeed, I'd put a garland on your head and simply go on in my non - believing stance cos at the onset I must tell you that even if the Bible is the truth I am at peace in my soul to have jettisoned it and to live my life free of its dictates.

Your name abi na moniker is removed. I am sorry if it hurts you. I thought it will bring in more people to make it more livelier. Cheers.

Mujtahida:
In the first place, in real terms, I didn't challenge you. Not at all. This below was your proposal. If there was a challenge, it came from you not me. If not where did you accept my challenge? Who made the offer? You did. I only accepted.

My response was I accept
This is no challenge to you. So I think you got it wrong from the get go. And that influenced your mind in putting my moniker on the thread title. In context it was more like you opening a thread where I point out Bible lies and contradictions and you treat them.

So your title thread should read: Debate: Lies, contradictions and absurdities in the Bible and a Christian's appropriate responses to them.

When you do this or something in this vein, then you make an introductory remarks that I said that the Bible is full of contradictions and lies. This thread is an open debate where I (mujtahida) presents the lies and contradictions and absurdities and you treat them. And like you have already done, invite others. We'd discuss in an atmosphere free of acrimony and insults.

This was my expectation. I commend you for being courteous cos you have maintained a line of conversation with me that I personally find endearing. Cos any hint of disrespect is to open the door for insults and bad words to start flowing. I don't want that cos I can be acidic dishing out insults. I notice an idiot on this thread( whom I had long suspected to be an idiot but confirmed it today) and I will treat him with the scorn and contempt he deserves.

Dear sir, pls that man you refer to as scum is my big brother, going after him is coming after me. Being a Christian doesn't mean i will sit back and watch you insult someone i can never dream of raising my voice to.

He didn't insult you, he only asked you to calm down as moikers mean little outside of here.

That said, i will remove your moniker since you don't like it, but pls next time, becareful at how you throw jibes.

Come to think of it, why are you hurt by what he said to you? I read what you say against my father, yet i look away without fighting back or getting personal, but you are poised for a fight even when no word of insult has been used against you, why?

As little and as insignificant as you a human is, you can point your frizzled finger to my father's face and insult Him, yet someone called your moniker just a moinker, you are ready to spit venom.

Watch it as words destroys. Enough said.

OkCornel:
Carefully go through the verses I highlighted in red & purple and the ones I bolded. You will see the difference between Judaism and Christianity just as you can easily differentiate night from day...

The Law is not binding on Christians to follow...and bear in mind that the Law is not just the 10 commandments...there are over 400 instructions that makes up the Laws of Moses...

Say no to Judeo-Christianity...

Which law? Pls highlight them.

Mujtahida:
Ordinary literal rule of interpretation. Have you read Merchant of Venice, the part about the pound of flesh? It's simple ooo: give me the go ahead to open a thread is not the same as opening the said thread with my moniker on it. Two entirely different thing

You just hung yourself by bringing Shilock into this.

Am taking my pound of flesh.

You go about boasting and maliging my God. You talk about what you know nothing about. You feel by claiming you were once a Christian will lay credence to the fact that you jettisoned Christ. Sorry, your cup of tea. Your soul, your loss.

But, when you make boast know that people who can poke holes and hold you down are around.

You who had loved and preached these lies shouldn't find it hard to.presnte them here, but you have successfully derailed the thread because you know you'll be cut to half if you try.

I want the entire Nairaland Community to come in here and see and cheer you up as you destroy the Bible. Poor guy.

Mujtahida:
I am not hopeful.landlord, am I? Stick to the terms of our agreement. Simple.

The term is, You and I do justice to the contradictions you'd present. So far, not even one attempt by you has been made. Your brethren in atheism have failed so miserable at presenting even one single contradiction.


Wait, isn't my moniker there too? What's the fuss about?

Mujtahida:
You assume too much. I am an atheist because I don't believe in Jehovah, the Jewish idol? You assume too much.
Disappear how? When I'd be on the thread gidigba but for you using my moniker on the title? Argument na my work ooo not to talk of arguing against a religion I detest so much. It's too small a challenge.

That is why your moniker shd be there for the world to notice it and come in to see you shred YHWH nah.

This thread wasn't meant to be about arguments (That's why i said you failed woefully), It's about proving your stance with facts. Arguments are pointless. I no be small pikin. Why i go open thread just to argue? I have a life sir.

OkCornel:
Then explain what happened in Acts 15.

If you love God and man, you have fulfilled and surpassed what the Law requires of you...These are Jesus' words not mine...

Thank you.

Act 15 verse what? Pls don't send me on errands.

OkCornel:
1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

Acts 15

1 Then came down certain from Judea, and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

2 And when there was great dissension, and disputation by Paul and Barnabas against them, they ordained that Paul and Barnabas, and certain others of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders about this question.

3 Thus being brought forth by the Church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles, and they brought great joy unto all the brethren.

4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the Church, and of the Apostles and Elders, and they declared what things God had done by them.

5 But said they, certain of the sect of the Pharisees, which did believe, rose up, saying that it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

6 Then the Apostles and Elders came together to look to this matter.

7 And when there had been great disputation, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Ye men and brethren, ye know that a good while ago, among us God chose out me, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the Gospel, and believe.

8 And God which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, in giving unto them the holy Ghost even as he did unto us.

9 And he put no difference between us and them, after that by faith he had purified their hearts.

10 Now therefore, why tempt ye God, to lay a yoke on the disciples’ necks, which neither our fathers, nor we were able to bear?

11 But we believe, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, even as they do.

12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and heard Barnabas and Paul, which told what signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.

13 And when they held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me.

14 Simeon hath declared, how God first did visit the Gentiles, to take of them a people unto his Name.

15 And to this agree the words of the Prophets, as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the Tabernacle of David, which is fallen down, and the ruins thereof will I build again, and I will set it up.

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles upon whom my Name is called, saith the Lord which doeth all these things.

18 From the beginning of the world, God knoweth all his works.

19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them of the Gentiles that are turned to God,

20 But that we send unto them, that they abstain themselves from filthiness of idols, and fornication, and that is strangled, and from blood.

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, seeing he is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day.

22 Then it seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: to wit, Judas whose surname was Barsabas, and Silas, which were chief men among the brethren,

23 And wrote letters by them after this manner, THE APOSTLES, and the Elders, and the brethren, Unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, and in Syria, and in Cilicia, send greeting.

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us, have troubled you with words, and cumbered your minds, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the Law: to whom we gave no such commandment,

25 It seemed therefore good to us, when we were come together with one accord, to [send] chosen men unto you, with our beloved Barnabas and Paul.

26 Men that have [v]given up their lives for the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, which shall also tell you the same things by mouth.

28 [w]For it seemed good to the [x]holy Ghost, and [y]to us, to lay no more burden upon you, than these [z]necessary things.

29 [aa]That is, that ye abstain from things offered to idols, and blood, and that that is strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

30 [ab]Now when they were departed, they came to Antioch, and after that they had assembled the multitude, they delivered the Epistle,

31 And when they had read it, they rejoiced for the consolation.

32 And Judas and Silas being Prophets, exhorted the brethren with many words, and strengthened them.

33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in [ac]peace of the brethren unto the Apostles.

What is the purpose of quoting all of that?

Circumcision is not compulsory as it is the circumcision of the heart that makes fit to stand before God. That passage does not say circumcision shd be done away with completely, what it says is that, it shouldn't be a yardstick to measure holiness.

If you remember, Apst Paul circumcised Timothy, shaved his head before bringing him to Jerusalem. Why did he do that?

The converted Pharisees insisted that without it, no salvation, Paul said No. Repentance takes place in the heart not in the flesh.

Bros, pls let's not go into this, because e go hook you for throat.

As much as i like my senior brother, i can't have sex with him or marry him, and the new testament never told me not to do it, the Old did.

Or are you saying since it wasn't mentioned in the New Testament, it's not a sin so you have sex with your beautiful kid sister?

Mujtahida:
It's just a simple request but though simple it means a lot to me. Opening the thread with my moniker wasnt what I agreed to. Since you are not minded to oblige me then I excuse myself from the thread. But for the record I'd open a thread and post the lies and contradictions and absurdities and historical untruths in your book.

Okay, i will remove your moniker there, but how will folks know the motive for the thread?

See why you don't go challenging people? This is nothing compared to what you may have to confront in other situations when you make boast and challenge people.

Suggest what i shd replace your moniker with since you engineered this thread.

Mujtahida:
'.

This is what I agreed to. Nowhere did you say you'd open a thread with my moniker on it as part of the title. You didn't say 'give me the go ahead to open the thread with your moniker as part of the title.' So stand by what I agreed to. Open the thread without my moniker as part of the title and we are good. Already I've even given preliminary instances of lies in the bible showing that I am ready for this challenge.

Cc Emmanystone

Can you see clearly why your moniker needs to be there. 'pls give me the go ahead to open a thread... You present, i treat, was the wager, It was meant for just both of us. Your moniker being there tells everyone that you are the main focus here. You present, i treat

OkCornel:
So if Jesus has fulfilled the Law...are you now obliged to follow the Law He fulfilled?

Can you please read up Acts 15?

Brother, abeg nah, stop. Which law did Jesus fulfill? Tje sacrificial laws or moral laws? Aren't the moral laws of Moses still binding on us today?

When Jesus was asked which commandment was the greatest, wasn't it the 10 Commandment of Moses?

Jesus was the sacrificial lamb the Jews always sacrificed to cover their sins, when he died, that ended. But other 'thou shall not steal, commit adultery, lie and kill' are still binding on us till tomorrow.

No one can separate Christianity from Judaism.

hopefulLandlord:
This is so true

Imagine, Abijah spoke to 1,200,000 soldiers at one time with no amplifier. Even Yahweh never managed to do that lol

Which amplifier did YHWH used when he addressed more than 3million Jews in the wilderness? Are you for real?

ShadowFighter:
This is one contradiction nobody have been able to explain fully.

You term it a contradiction because you are lazy to do a thorough study of it. Butterfly1on has provided the answer to that. It's now up to you to take it or leave it.

Mujtahida:
Hahahaha hahahaha@failed woefully. Those are just preliminary observations. Just remove my moniker from the thread title. I didn't give you permission to use my moniker to open the thread. You could have opened it and simply mentioned me.

If you think I'm one to chicken out of a challenge of this nature you don't have no clue

You agreed to have ago at me. So do it.

I remember once Ambasagod asked Hop.efullandlord if he was ready to engage him, and if he shd open a thread for them to have a go at each other, Hope.fullandlord agreed, the thread was opened with Hopeful.landlord's moniker plastered on the title, he didn't cry.
Why are you crying?

Mujtahida:
By fiat? Even when I ask in the most polite terms that you take off my moniker you insist it must be there? OK.

I will open a thread and post the contradictions and lies there. My moniker on this thread is a trophy for you. Carry am go chop eba.

Cos all you needed to do was to open a thread and make an introductory remark, mention me and i'd show up.

Hmmm. You seem to be new here. It's no big deal that your moniker is there nah.

Lolzzzzzzz. This debate na me and you o. You want be ghost before? You can't challenge me and disappear.

I keep saying this to you atheists, i'm a different kind of breed. I'm not timid. You guys have a way of thinking Christians ought to run and hide when you launch out. Sorry, if you come at me, i will be right here.

If you open another thread instead of this, i won't appear there.

Mujtahida:
'.

This is what I agreed to. Nowhere did you say you'd open a thread with my moniker on it as part of the title. You didn't say 'give me the go ahead to open the thread with your moniker as part of the title.' So stand by what I agreed to. Open the thread without my moniker as part of the title and we are good. Already I've even given preliminary instances of lies in the bible showing that I am ready for this challenge.

Cc Emmanystone

You challenged me by saying my book was full of contradictions, historical untruths, absurdities and lies, and i asked you if i shd open a thread to that effect if you could provide the errors in the Bible? You said yes ago ahead.

This thread was to bear your name because you challenged me. I took the bait and here we are.

Infact, it shd have just been you and i in this thread, others would have just been observers.

Pls, let's go on with the Business of you providing me with the errors in my Bible.

No body knows you by your moniker outside here anyways. You never even knew i was female till today. It's just a moniker.

butterflyl1on:
So far all you have posted have been shown not to be contradictions so what MORE contradictions are you still referring to?

The guy lacks the wit to engage in a discourse.

hopefulLandlord:
Yes he did but that doesn't mean he did whatever they end up doing with the money just like my giving someone money to do whatever they wanted to do with it doesn't mean I did whatever they did with it as the money seizes to be mine the moment I gave it away

Yes he did tell them what to do with his money? Asin, he told them to buy a piece of land from where he'd be buried he killes himself? Lolzzz.

Your analogy is very funny. Judas didn't give the Priests the money as a gift, so your position is invalidated. If he went back to them and said. 'You guys, thank you for helping me betray my Friend, to show my appreciation, pls accept this token from me. I'm giving back the money you paid me as a token of my appreciation,' and the Priests accepted it with goodwill', then your position will be valid.

He took the blood money back, he knew it won't be taken from him, and they didn't. He cast the money on the ground and went away to his dead. He consented whatever the money was used for.

hopefulLandlord:
No! the only thing he consented to is that the money is no longer his just like my giving a homeless man a few dollar bills doesn't mean I've consented to whatever he ends up doing with it.

Unfortunately is not them same thing. You gave a homeless man money (Goodwill). Was Judas's money a gift to the Priest?

hopefulLandlord:
Otherwise employerr too should be arrested when the salary they paid to an employee end up being used to buy hard drugs

Lolzzzzz. Again, it is not the same thing. If a Kidnapper demands for a ransom and he receives it, if he changes his mind and returns it to the victims family because his captive died in his custody, but the family rejects the money, but calls the police instead, shd the kidnapper be tried for his crime in Court? If Yes, In court shd the money be entered in as exhibit (the Kidnappers money) or as his victim's money?

Your stand here says, since the kidnapper brought back the man, whether the victim's family accosts it back or not, it has become a gift to them. Wow.


Hope, the money became Judas' money. Since he took his life and it was obvious no family member came out to claim his remains, his money worked for him by buying a piece of land as a burial place for him.

His money served him well.