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butterflyl1on:
You keep missing what is right in front of you. Let me post the scripture. Please note the part in bold.



Paul said clearly there that what he is saying is not a command but a concession. A concession is simply a grant given based on a demand. In other words he is saying that it is up to the wife or the husband to grant this concession because both of them have mutual authority over their bodies (as stated in verse 4 of the same chapter 7). His words were a personal advice.

He even went further to wish everyone was celibate like him. Paul was simply passing on a personal advice to them.

Meaning, if i want to fast all by myself without my husband being part of it, we ought to agree to abstain for the number of days i decide to fast, but if he refuses (meaning, he would demand for his right), then no fasting for me.

That passage doesn't say we can agree to have sex while we fast. What sense will it make? Ordinarily, we don't need to discuss if we shd or shd not have sex, why shd we discuss it during fasting if we are free to do it?

Should we agree that, during fasting we shd do only at nights or in the morning before heading out? Questiin is, how were we doing it before?

Sarassin:
Of course, a jug of Weissbier on ice for me, and an amply endowed fraulein to serve it...just to serve it ooh..nothing else!

Now, i'm sad. You didn't invite me.

LoJ:
Ahaha. Okay I will pay for the ladies if and only if Sarassin comes along. Ohh perhaps he could be fasting then

Can i come? But i won't drink. SarassinMia Caro, can we go?

LoJ:
Ladies and Gents we have reason to celebrate. Flipcambino is in the e-house!

How far buddy?

Who is FlipGambino pls? Never saw the Moniker. Well, am bad at noting monikers.

MizMyColi:
Yes, it is carnal.
I agree.

People should not have sex in marriage.

Marriage is not meant for sex.

Sex in marriage, sorry, fasting, defies the matrimonial bed.

When you fast, you should not talk to your hubby either.

Remove your self from the world.

Oil and water don't mix.

The things of God and the things of man don't mix either.

You are either here or there.

No inbetweeners.

Jesus will spit you out!

This is so not correct, at least from the stand point of the scriptures.

Soteriahascome:
Having sex with your wife is highly spiritual and should only be avoided with consent...

Finally i find one person who agrees

FlipGamBino:
If it wasn't your post we wouldn't be having a conversation at all....all i did was click quote. You needn't respond. I really wasn't expecting any.

I still responded anyway.

MizMyColi:
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Mbanu.
I don't agree.
Sex can't be spiritual in it's entirety.

Pray tell, is moaning spiritual?

Hahahahahahahaha. Kai. You just said exactly what my friend said. She even went further to demonstrate a doggy asking if that too was spiritual. She asked what was spiritual about kissing and her husband sucking her breast. Laf wan kee me.

My sis. Everything about Sex is Spiritual. That we enjoy it and moan doesn't make it sinful. No.

God intends that we enjoy it, that's the only way we can keep doing it to fulfill his commandment, 'Go into the world and multiply'.

lolzzzzzzzzzzzz.

FlipGamBino:
As we can agree we are on the same side with regards sex and spirituality I will quote from the scripture...."All things are lawful, but not all things are expedient". Questioning its morality within or without fasting periods is something i personally do not agree with.

Listen, we are enjoined to question our believes so that we can know to give answers to those who will want to challenge what we believe and why.

butterflyl1on:
Your topic is on fasting and prayer but the scriptures focus on PRAYER and not fasting.

Also, right from 1st Corinthians chapter 6:12 Paul laid a foundation against sexual immorality. He then went on to tackle the main question he was asked based on the foundation he laid which was against sexual immorality.

He said the only time a man and his wife should PERHAPS abstain (that word PERHAPS) shows Paul was speaking as an advice and not as a command and not based on what the spirit of God ministered to him but based on his own observations. This is confirmed in verse 6 of chapter 7 where Paul said and I quote




He then went further to separate Gods command from his own advice below
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My topic is not on Fasting and prayer sir. My topic is on' Why couples shd abstain from sex during fasting period. They can do it during just prayers, but during fasting, No. Why?

The Scripture says, the only time couples can deny each other sex is 'except or unless' they had agreed to engage in a fast after which, they should resume.

Sir, i didn't see PERHAPS in that verse, i saw 'Unless or except.'

FlipGamBino:
Now the principal reason for fasting is to enter what one can refer to as "A state of Grace", but then; this is but one of many pathways. Now the question is 'what is demanded from he who seeks to enter the "Grace of God"?, one very important requirement is maturity, within all traditions a level of general maturity is required, this includes physical, spiritual and even mental maturity, to this effect a lot of effort is put to focusing ones mind on very little through this period of fasting.

Sex is by no means canal within any period of marriage under the edicts of the Divine. As a matter of fact Sex is divine in nature. What matters more is the issue of expedience and within Sarassin's context, consent within this process. Thank you.

Why not have it during fasting? I believe sex in its entirety is Spiritual. You and i are on the same side. But, why not have it during fasting is my querry.

Sarassin:
Well my dear, probably you should draw a deep breathe and read it through again or maybe something was lost in transcription. If you say the Holy Spirit disclosed this to you then fine, my lips are forever sealed.

If i had any prior clue with regards to fasting being melting or fusing into God, i'd believe it was my thought. But, i never thought of fasting as anything other than subduing the flesh to energize the Spirit.
So, yeah. the holy Spirit gave me that insight.

MuttleyLaff:
My invited guests are cultured

They are. lol.

Sarassin:
Still a bit mixed up. You say the Corinthians were not patriarchal but you then go on to say that the letters were addressed to the Jews, who were indeed highly patriarchal, so my original proposition still holds. The command to women to hold their peace in church had nothing to do with societal issues as you put it, it was more to do with the fact that early Christian leaders at that time considered that women could not think for themselves, lacked intelligence and could not hold intellectual doctrinal discourse, read the writings of Tertullian on the matter.

@bolded, I disagree entirely

The Letter was addressed to the Corinthian belivers who weren't so patriachial as a result of their allegiance to female deities, unlike the Jews who knew YHWH as male only.
@bolded, i also disagree with you entirely. Paul was solving a case of disorderliness in the church. He was setting up rules how the church setting should be run.

If this is about orderliness, it then follows that women were causing disorderliness, hence; needed to be tamed and kept in control.

If you say women were considered less humans by even the Apostles, you'd have to explain why the Holy Spirit was given to them in the same measure which was given to the men. Or was He given to the men only?

MuttleyLaff:
Day went well Ma'am.
I am now just lounging on my chaise trying to unwind
Trust yours went well.

Yeah. Bonding with the kids. Great time looking into their eyes and seeing trust and hope. They know they are loved.

butterflyl1on:
Sigh. Paul began this issue from 1st Corinthians 6 from verse 12 and continued it in chapter 7.

He first laid a foundation to the issue. Read it from chapter 6 verse 12 and then continue on chapter 7. I am sure you would understand it better.

I have sir, and says what i stand for. Sex is good. Nothing sinful about it, but during Fasting and prayers abstain, but resume immediately after it.

MuttleyLaff:
Homosexual couples are having sex, they aren't making love. There is a difference.
Adam knew Eve, as in made love with Eve.
Cain knew his wife, as in Cain made love with his wife
Adam knew his wife again, made love again with Eve
Judah and Omar went into Tamar, both did NOT make love with, but only had sex with her
King David and Bathsheba went into each other and weren't necessarily in the real sense, making love

I think after my above up there, you're feeling the drift

I already know all except the homosexual couples.

You said, sex in marriage is not just sex but love making, as no one outside marriage can make love, hence; i asked if Homosexuals are in marriage or not.
If they are, doesn't that imply that they too are making love? But, you said No. Meaning, they are not married abi?

Mujtahida:
Let tackle where I believe the thought encapsulated in the bolded takes its ultimate rise from: Because Adam sinned all sinned. Isn't that where the bolded comes from? Well, Na your believe. Adam was Adam. I am me. Ezekiel 18 v2-3

The World has sown the Whirlwind, in rebellion, hence, the consequences. No one has the right to complain at all, for even here right now, men still reject a gentle kind saviour who did no wrong. Who lived all His life helping the poor. Why did He do to be hated so?
Yet, when there's calamity, the blame is heaped on him.

With regards to the Adam you mentioned, here...
1Cor 15:21-22
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Christ is here with a new life, why remain dead in Adam, except it's a deliberate will choice(?).

Mujtahida:
The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

“‘The parents eat sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

So I join my mouth with Jehovah and say don't tell me how I carry the burden and consequences of Adam's sin. It's all a fiction created in a book. And if my deeds or misdeeds have consequences I should be held responsible not those who are affected by it(going by your seed metaphor)

How do people even reason sef?
A fiction created in a book you just quoted to proof a point. The Jehovah whom you just concurred with can be kown only from that fictional book.
Well, here is what is writen in the fictiinal book which you quoted to exonerate yourself;
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans:3:10
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans:3:11
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans:3:12

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans:3:13
Just like, 1Cor 15:21-22 says, Adam brought death, but Christ has brought Life. What you choose is what you'll have. Don't for a day think you can escape. lol.

Mujtahida:
Dictates by dictating to men to write a book, Dictates by speaking through proxies. I bet God is dictating through you now. Surely your God is a dictator cos he even commands men to love him

Yes, He rules on decrees, what can you do about it? If you don't like it, you can take a hike. This is His earth. And He reigns supreme over His territory.

He does as He pleases, only as He pleases. If you have what it takes, wait, very soon you shall die, then can stand before Him and wag your little finger on His face demanding explanations, if you can access His presence.

Mujtahida:
Something that if a human being does we'd regard them as suffering from one form of mania or the other. If you know the meaning of what you just wrote you will know that you have automatically said that your God is loveless. While love does not mean lawlessness, it also doesn't mean dictatorship.[/b]
And this is coming from some one who claimed to have been a committed Christian. Most times i wonder what kind of Christians you guys were before seeing the light of satanism to be making the kind comments you make.
When you were going about your Christian work/walk, didn't you know YHWH was a dictator? He is and there's nothing anyone can do about it. He rules on Commands and decrees, period.

What part did you play in being on earth?

@bolded, you wld want to be lawless and get away with it eh? Sorry, He loves you enough to still keep you alive even with your rebellion, but you'd reap exactly what you sow or are sowing whether you like it or yes.

[quote author=Mujtahida post=65411694]You were trying to show that Christian fasting is different. And I am saying how else could it be. Your faith is all about exceptionalism yet you guys are just like other men

No, we are not like the other men. We are different. We a called out people. A peculiar people, a royal priesthood, a chosen Generation. A Holy Nation. The light of the World, the Salt of the earth.

The Undead. The unkillables. We are above death. We are little gods. Shining as stars in the midst of a dark and a perverse world.

We carry God in us, they don't. We will one day sit as Kings and Priests and reign on the earth with Christ, they wouldn't.

We have a God who is both our father, and our friend at the same time, they don't.

How are we the same?

.
. Something that if a human being does we'd regard them as suffering from one form of mania or the other. If you know the meaning of what you just wrote you will know that you have automatically said that your God is loveless. While love does not mean lawlessness, it also doesn't mean dictatorship.

Mujtahida:
Let tackle where I believe the thought encapsulated in the bolded takes its ultimate rise from: Because Adam sinned all sinned. Isn't that where the bolded comes from? Well, Na your believe. Adam was Adam. I am me. Ezekiel 18 v2-3

The World has sown the Whirlwind, in rebellion, hence, the consequences. No one has the right to complain at all, for even here right now, men still reject a gentle kind saviour who did no wrong. Who lived all His life helping the poor. Why did He do to be hated so?
Yet, when there's calamity, the blame is heaped on him.

With regards to the Adam you mentioned, here...
1Cor 15:21-22
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Christ is here with a new life, why remain dead in Adam, except it's a deliberate will choice(?).

Mujtahida:
The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:

“‘The parents eat sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

So I join my mouth with Jehovah and say don't tell me how I carry the burden and consequences of Adam's sin. It's all a fiction created in a book. And if my deeds or misdeeds have consequences I should be held responsible not those who are affected by it(going by your seed metaphor)

How do people even reason sef?
A fiction created in a book you just quoted to proof a point. The Jehovah whom you just concurred with can be kown only from that fictional book.
Well, here is what is writen in the fictiinal book which you quoted to exonerate yourself;
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Romans:3:10
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Romans:3:11
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans:3:12

Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Romans:3:13
Just like, 1Cor 15:21-22 says, Adam brought death, but Christ has brought Life. What you choose is what you'll have. Don't for a day think you can escape. lol.

Mujtahida:
Dictates by dictating to men to write a book, Dictates by speaking through proxies. I bet God is dictating through you now. Surely your God is a dictator cos he even commands men to love him

Yes, He rules on decrees, what can you do about it? If you don't like it, you can take a hike. This is His earth. And He reigns supreme over His territory.

He does as He pleases, only as He pleases. If you have what it takes, wait, very soon you shall die, then can stand before Him and wag your little finger on His face demanding explanations, if you can access His presence.

Mujtahida:
You were trying to show that Christian fasting is different. And I am saying how else could it be. Your faith is all about exceptionalism yet you guys are just like other men

No, we are not like the other men. We are different. We a called out people. A peculiar people, a royal priesthood, a chosen Generation. A Holy Nation. The light of the World, the Salt of the earth.

The Undead. The unkillables. We are above death. We are little gods. Shining as stars in the midst of a dark and a perverse world.

We carry God in us, they don't. We will one day sit as Kings and Priests and reign on the earth with Christ, they wouldn't.

We have a God who is both our father, and our friend at the same time, they don't.

How are we the same?

MuttleyLaff:
I know the feeling, I left home late this morning because of leaving responses on the thread.
Even after leaving, had to find a place to park, to continue again responding

How did your day go, sir?

butterflyl1on:
The foundation of others who fast is different from our foundation. Also motive matters the most. Others fast because they wish to be seen and known to fast e.g the Muslims who announce theirs for everyone to know and see.

When your motive is based on what the scripture says "do not let your left hand know what the right is doing " then this is a solid foundation.

Correct. But again, there are two kinds of fasting, A declared Fasting and Inspired Fasting. There are all in the Bible. The one the Muslims do is the declared fasting, while the one you do and don't let anyone know is an inspired fasting

butterflyl1on:
Regarding the legal language used by Paul, I do not think you understood the interpretation thereof.

Paul said NEVER DENY YOURSELVES SEX AT ALL. THE ONLY TIME YOU SHOULD DO SO IS IN THE FACE OF FASTING BUT EVEN AT THAT, LET IT BE DONE VIA CONSENT.

Let Sex take place via consent during fasting? Then the clause 'Except' is useless.

This is my understanding of that clause 'Except'. Remember, this is to check immorality, hence, sex should be done regularly, BUT, when fasting and praying, a man and his wife should agree to abstain for that period. The consent there means, the woman should not by herself decide to fast without considering the feelings of her husband and vise vaser.

If we are agreeing to fast for 3 days, then for those three days, we should abstain, this is my understanding of Except in that passage.

If you say 'Except' means, we can have sex as long as we seek each others conscent to do it, will then mean, all the while couples have sex, they she seek each others conscent before they do it. It doesn't make sense.

butterflyl1on:
he is not saying do not fast and have sex. He is saying that, this should be the ONLY grounds abstinence should be done and not through hatred, strife, bitterness, etc. This is why the bible says BE ANGRY BUT SIN NOT. LET NOT THE SUN GO DOWN IN YOUR WRATH".

Then the Clause 'Except' is useless in that verse. It says have sex always, but when fasting and praying, do not. That's the only way that Except there will make any meaning.

Ordinarily, couples can not say no to each other, the only time that can happen is when they fast and pray.

butterflyl1on:
Paul meant that you can only deny yourselves sex for the right mutually agreed upon reasons and not out of some selfish reason and fasting is a good reason he gave but even at that, agreement is very important. He implied that it is better to fast and have sex in agreement than to fast and have sex in disagreement or in reverse, it is better not to have sex during fasting BASED ON AGREEMENT.

What are you even saying?

Let's take that passage again.
Good News Translation 1 Corinthians 7:1-6

1. Now, to deal with the matters you wrote about. A man does well not to marry.

2. But because there is so much immorality, every man should have his own wife, and every woman should have her own husband.

3. A man should fulfill his duty as a husband, and a woman should fulfill her duty as a wife, and each should satisfy the other's needs.

4. A wife is not the master of her own body, but her husband is; in the same way a husband is not the master of his own body, but his wife is.

5. Do not deny yourselves to each other, 'unless' you first agree to do so for a while in order to spend your time in prayer; but [b]then resume[/b]normal marital relations.In this way you will be kept from giving in to Satan's temptation because of your lack of self-control. I tell you this not as an order, but simply as a permission.

This pasage says, sex should be done always, it shd not be denied unless, when fasting and praying.

The Word Resume means, sex gets suspended for a time.

butterflyl1on:
The man and the woman as a married couple are now ONE FLESH so must come to God with ONE heart. This foundation was laid when the bible said we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. When we miss this foundation then we open ourselves to all sorts of errors.

Agreement is everything. Oneness is everything.

Yes, a man and his wife becomes one flesh in sex, and the foundation is solid when that happens, but that is not the issue here.

The issue here is WHY DO WE HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM SEX DURING FASTING PERIOD?

Sarassin:
Aaah Cara Mia nothing can change my love for you, except when you quote dodgy verses.

How is it a doggy verse?

Sarassin:
That verse in Corinthians is quite clear, Paul pre-supposes that Sex is good,

I never said it's not.

Sarassin:
he also pre-supposes that sex during fasting is not even an issue subject to consent, I agree largely with my good friend butterflylion in his comments , though I disagree slightly with the legal largesse, I believe that the consent to be sought is that both parties “agree not to engage in sex” during a fasting period,[/b]other than that- then there should be no reason why either the husband or the wife denies the other, the pleasure of its charms or the nectar of its flower.
@ the bolded is the question. Why? What is wrong with having sex while fasting?

[quote author=Sarassin post=65413189]I would go further and say that the use of the word “consent” is in itself a bit of a red herring since we were dealing with a patriarchy anyway, that consent was merely code for…."if the husband agrees". In reality the woman’s views on the matter were irrelevant.

Well, that may be true, but the Corinthians to whom this letter was addressed wasn't that Patriarchal, that's because of their acceptance of goddesses as Supreme deities. It was for the Jews, not necessarily for the Greeks.

We see how that manifested in women trying to bring the society into the church where women ruled over men in the society, so brought it into the Church, hence; the command for women to keep silent in Church.

And, when it comes to the bed, you'd be surprised how strong men melt. Patriarchy hardly comes up in bed. Except the man doesn't love his wife.

Sarassin:
I don't think you thought this one through and ascribing your thoughts to the Holy Spirit is rather disingenuous. The reasoning here is flawed and disjointed, you went up a hill and came down a mountain. Like to see what the brethren have to say.

Why do you say the reasoning is flawed?

The meat of the gist is, we can't be fasting (fusing into God) and be fusing into each other as husband and wife at them same time). Is this what is flawed and disjointed?

Well, i will be damned if i ever thought of what i wrote out here.

I have never thought of fasting differently from what the Word says about it.

And trust me, no preacher has ever mentioned fusing into God during fasting to me, so if this is my personal thoughts, then i will say, Praise God'.

FlipGamBino:
Now the principal reason for fasting is to enter what one can refer to as "A state of Grace", but then; this is but one of many pathways. Now the question is 'what is demanded from he who seeks to enter the "Grace of God"?, one very important requirement is maturity, within all traditions a level of general maturity is required, this includes physical, spiritual and even mental maturity, to this effect a lot of effort is put to focusing ones mind on very little through this period of fasting.

Sex is by no means canal within any period of marriage under the edicts of the Divine. As a matter of fact Sex is divine in nature. What matters more is the issue of expedience and within Sarassin's context, consent within this process. Thank you.

To begin with, i didn't make the post you quoted from. I don't know who did. So, i won't be responding to this.

Mujtahida:
The believing brain. Anyway let me respect your wishes and not derail your thread.

Thank you

Like I said, fasting is all shades of selflessness just like God who because he gave us Jesus, how can he not along with Jesus give us all things.

We please God by focussing on the people we see. The Bible says "how can you say you love God but hate your brother"?

1st John 4:7 -8 says

Beloved let us LOVE ONE ANOTHER, for LOVE IS OF GOD. FOR EVERYONE THAT LOVES IS BORN OF GOD AND KNOWS GOD....... HE THAT DOES NOT LOVE DOES NOT KNOW GOD FOR GOD IS LOVE.

Fasting is all about Love for others.[/quote]

butterflyl1on:
We are saying the same thing. However it is fasting and not fasten.

Jesus said, when I was homeless you sheltered me. Naked you clothed me, in prison you visited me.........

Whatsoever you do to the least of these ones you do unto me.

Well, the Holy Spieit replaced Fasting with Fastening. I never ever associated fasting with tying or fastening two things together until i now. So, am obliged to go with Him.

I will reply the others in the evening.

I garrogo naw.

Yes, it says dont.

butterflyl1on:
The language is EXCEPT IT BE WITH CONSENT".

paul said "defraud ye not one another except....... "

What this means is EVEN WHEN CONSENT ISNT GIVEN OR GOTTEN STILL GO AHEAD AND FAST WHILE HAVING SEX

Sir, it says to avoid sexual immorality always have sex with each other, but only when you are fasting and praying stay away. The except there means, the only time you do not is when you are fasting and praying

butterflyl1on:
let me rephrase.

He said deny each other sex ONLY WITH CONSENT. this means without consent sex should continue. His focus isn't so much on sex than it is on agreement.

Fasting is NOT ABOUT PETITIONING GOD FOR SOMETHING.

Yes, deny yourselves sex only when fasting, but that shd be discussed and agreed between bith parties. But if one party refuses, that means no fasting shd be done because, sex fastens and three can't fast as one.

If the woman wants to fast, the her husband says no, then no fasting. You can't fast and couple at the same time, as i understand the Holy Spirit

butterflyl1on:
I have posted Isaiah 58: 6 - 12 to show you what fasting is. Fasting is different from prayer. But we always often put them together when we says FASTING AND PRAYER.

That is not what fasting is, that is what we shd do for our fasting to be acceptable.
You cant fast without prayer, but you can prayer wirhout fasting.

butterflyl1on:
fasting. He was all about others and not himself and when you are moved by love in this nature, and you pray, God quickly answers.

Exactly. He pleased the Father by being all about others. That is what we shd do for our father to answers us quickly.

butterflyl1on:
Jesus lived his life based on what Isaiah 58 said about

Fasting is simply TRAINING OURSELVES TO LOVE GOD BY LOVING OTHERS MORE AND MORE.

There shouldn't be anything selfish about fasting. It's all shades of selflessness.

butterflyl1on:
God did not say don't.

Fating is 'Training ourselves to Love God' by loving others. No. Sir Christianity is Training ourselves to.love God by loving others.

Not everyone is a Christian, but many non Christians fast.

Mujtahida:
Bro, let me leave you to discuss things that pertain to your beliefs. I am not a believer. I will rather argue against the things you write cos my perspective is not framed by the Bible and I'm sure that's not what you want. You sound like a nice guy though. Cheers

Then argue against it. No problem with that. We are having a conversation ba? We must not agree.

MuttleyLaff:
Wow, not bad.
You could have knocked me down with a feather sha

Why?

butterflyl1on:
Note that fasting as depicted there IS ALL ABOUT OTHERS. However note verse 7b.

Compare that to Ephesians 5:31

The Isa 58 you quoted tells us what Our Father expects us to do physically when we Fasten ourselves into Him.these are the things that will make Him release to us quickly what we are fastening ourselves to Him.

When we need something from God, thus, fasten ourselves to Him, we shd do this do that... Is what the Holy Spirit says in Isaiah. Those are the things whixh pleases God. What he is saying is, to get from me, please me first.

Mujtahida:
You are entitled to your beliefs

Yes i am, as you are too.

Mujtahida:
Please there are very serious practical needs in this world, so many diseases, poverty, problems of international politics, people are in pains, hearts are hurting. Kindly ask the Holy Spirit to tell you what the permanent cure for AIDS is.

There are consequences for actions bro, if you eat your cake, you loose it. You can't reject God and do as you like yet expect that everything will just run smoothly. When you sow a seed, when the friuts comes, you'll eat from them. Point is, you won't be the only one eating from the seed you planted.

Hosea 8:7 He that sows the Whirlwind shall reap it storms
The world rejects God to serve satan abi? Enjoy.

Mujtahida:
While at it let me ask I thought the Bible says that the two shall become one. In fact the Bible says that believers are already one with the Lord. So how is it that just because couples want to fasten to God, they have to uncouple from themselves (as in your definition of fasting) when they are one in themselves and one with God already as believers.

We are to with Him i dividually in slavation. Itst the same thing as saying, Christianity is a personal race. The husband doesn't get saved for the wife.

A man and his wife together as a couple can not fuse into God because they are two distinct spirits. They do that seprately.
He makes the rules, you either take them or leave.

God is not a Democrat. He dictates and you follow or leave.

Mujtahida:
You need your religious exceptionalism just so that you can continue to logically believe your faith. It's not that your faith is more valid than others. In reality there's no exception for Christians : they are just like every other men, they suffer what others suffer, they enjoy what others enjoy, they die like other men(ironically even with their notions of everlasting life they are more orless afraid of death as other men)

You have said nothing here.

I just told why the Holy Spirit said no sex during Fasting or Fastening, i expected you to dwell on it.

Ronpet777:
Yeah! But that at least gives us an idea why He wud want us to keep off momentarily in order to focus more on Him at that period of time.

Yes ke.