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Mujtahida:
Yes. So what is the reason for sexual abstention for purposes of fasting and prayer as espoused by Paul in the Bible?

See there's no need beating around. Whether in Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion, fasting and prayer is a time of denial so that the spiritual aspects of man's being can find expression. So don't you think it's common sense that along with food and drinks, sex should also be abstained from?

I mentioned you in a post pls read it.

MuttleyLaff:
There are other hormones than those raging ones

Not bad an attempt.
Having sex can be had in both marriage and outside marriage
When had outside marriage, God, who is Love, isn't present and/or involved in it.
Sex, had inside marriage, has God's blessing in it hence, the couple are not just having sex but are making love.

You didn't give names of characters who made love, so I will.
Adam knowing Eve, had sex by and made love
Judah, Onan etcetera had sex with the respective women but weren't making love with them

... and what does 1 Corinthians 7:6 say?

Exactly, Paul improved the question he was asked about abstaining from having sexual relations with a woman by giving a response with extra information.
Check 1 Corinthians 7:1 for the question that prompted his reply
It is about if it is good for a man not making love with a woman.

I had already advised not read 1 Corinthians 7:5 and/or 1 Corinthians 7:6 in isolation

So you dont at all know what the hormones prolactin, oxytocin and melatonin are?
Hmmm, interesting.

Anyway, so you know you asked your question incorrectly.
You asked a non starter question
and that is why I asked you about the difference between having sex and/or making love.

Having sex in marriage can't be carnal
It is having sex outside marriage that is carnal

I gave names. For just Sex, Onan with Tamar,

And, Isaac and Rebecca for love making.


So, since having sex in marriage is Holy, you'd say Homosexual couples are engaging in a Holy act? It's marriage, isn't it?

butterflyl1on:
Every inspired writer of scripture had their own very distinct style of passing the message across. Paul was a lawyer so wrote using that style and if you wish to understand his writings properly you need to put on legal goggles.

Paul Never at any point indicated that sex between a man and his wife was carnal. He was focused on consent and agreement in marriage.

Once upon a time the man and the woman were single but the day they came together in marriage then EVERYTHING done must be done in agreement (including spiritual things). The Bible says, "can two walk together except they agree"?

If the man wishes to fast he should let his wife know and it is up to her to accept to give him space during this period or to deny him space and still have sex with him even while he fasts. The man should not feel bad about it because her actions would not negate his fast but would rather enhance it especially since both of them are NOT IN DISAGREEMENT.

when there is disagreement on this then there is a problem. Fasting is for SELF BUILDING. AGREEMENTS IN MARRIAGE OVER SPIRITUAL ISSUES IS FOR EVERYONES benefit.

Paul said "EXCEPT IT BE WITH CONSENT". this is a legal language. What he said in essence is as a married couple, [HAVE SEX AND KEEP HAVING SEX EVEN WHEN FASTING DESPITE NOT HAVING CONSENT FROM YOUR PARTNER.

If the language your friend used for carnal meant sinful then they are the ones wrong. Carnal means 2 things. We as Christians term everything carnal as sinful. THIS IS WRONG.

Carnality simply means something physical, especially sexual activities. Note that we are talking about sexual activities between a husband and his wife and not between unmarried people. Also know that marriage is of God and the command of being fruitful and multiplying is also from God. This command is given to ONLY marries couples so sexual union EVEN while fasting isn't carnal (sinful). But it is carnal (physical) in agreement and in oneness which is the desire of God for all his children.

My 2 kobo.

(First bolded) Sex in marriage is totally holy to me, but i believe if God says don't do it while fasting is for a reason which doesn't mean it's a bad thing. And i believe that if God says, don't and you do, in that you transgress. And since you are asking or petitioning Him for something, if you transgress and have sex, you won't have it.

(Second bolded) pls explain more.

Mujtahida:
[quote author=Mujtahida post=65409868]How do you know he spoke the mind of God? Just because he said so and not even personally to you but generally in a book? Well you are entitled to your beliefs.

I believe because this is not the first time i have asked and receive answers that i have never heard from anyone before.

Mujtahida:
As for me if God has something to tell me, if he wants something as intimate as my heart, if he has commands and instructions for my life, he claims to be my father then let him speak to me. I can't live by what is written in a book. Shebi he's called a living God, all wise, all powerful, everywhere present. So he should speak for himself. What if man had not invented books? How did God speak to men in the thousands of years before writing was invented? And it wasn't even the Jews who invented writing.

Hahahahahahahhaa. When you said you had been a Christian for years, you performed all thise feats in his name, how did you do it? Did He speak to you face to face believe and win souls and perform the miracles you did? How was he communicating with you? Did you lie that you were a Christian? Did you ever had a relationship with Him? I doubt it very much.

Okay sir, wait, he wi soeak with you enh.

Mujtahida:
I consider all religious books purporting to be the word of God as the rankest fraudulent documents in this world.
If God ever wrote a book then that book is the book of nature. The Bible and any other religious texts are nothing but the contrivance of men!

Sir, this is not about religious books. Pls look for a thread about it and take your consideration there. Thanks.

Mujtahida:
You are now asking whether sex in marriage is carnal (as your friend said) probably because Paul wrote about sexual abstention during Fasting. So what if Paul had not written it? Whenmany kiss their wives or husbands and go intimate with their spouse does it feel carnal? Their whole body tells them this is sweet but for many religious type of people whose mind has been corrupted by concepts such as holiness, carnality, sin, they never enjoy sex because while at it their hearts are filled with guilt, filled with notions about how to engage in sex in a 'godly way'. Nonsense. Nature is nature and she will triumph over the artificial dictates of a book!

Hahahahahahahaha. Only those who do not know that sex is a beautiful instituted by God will be doing it in guilt. And, you lie to say sex in marriage enenders guilt. That's completley not true.

Only when sex is doen outaide marriage it brings guilt because the inner man bears witness against it. One doesn't need to be a Christian to know that.

Pls don't derail this thread.
Shalom.

Okay friends, let me humbly present the response i got when i asked the Holy Spirit, Why He said we should abstain from sex during fasting as couples.

He first began by asking me to define FASTING, i gave him the same defination and explanation Ubenedictus gave here. He said, that's how humans view it, but that's not all of it.

He said, Fasting doesn't mean absitnence, it means TO FASTEN SOMETHING TOGETHER. It means to tie two together. It means to melt, to fuse, to bind, to glue, to unite tow together. With a purpose.

He said, when we Fast, we FASTEN our spirits to His. We become one with Him by melting, fusing, and uniting into Him as one, with the intent of drawing from Him, something we need in the physical world. Something which does not yet exist in the material realm and make it exist.

Prayer is calling those things out with our mouths.

Abraham calleth things that be not as though they were, and they became.

He said, Sex or love making is the same thing. When a man have Sex with his wife, or anyone else, they melt, fuse into each other with the intent of drawing from God a New Life which does not exist yet into existence.

He reffered me to Genesis 2:24 which says

And a man shall leave his mother and father and join himself to his wife and they both shall become one . It was at thia point i got a deeper understaning of this verse.

He said, the reason for which He asked a man to stay away from melting into his wife while melting into Him is that, a man can not melt into God and be melting into his wife at the same time..

When a man and his wife agrees for instance to go to Him in Fasting and prayer asking for a Child or anything else, both of them stand as individuals, separately standing before Him. They melts individually into Him, not as a couple. They may have the same motive, but they are different distinct entities possessing single units of Spirits, and it is with this Spirits they Fasten or fuse into Him. Hence, THEY CAN NOT FUSE INTO GOD AND FUSE INTO each OTHER at the same Time.
Here is the reason for abstinence. It has nothing to do with taming the flesh to boost the Spirit.

Sex tie souls or Spirits together. It is a highly Spieitual exerxise. Unbelievers do it too to draw from their master what they needs.

Someone mentioned People of other faiths, we shd remember that if there's fake it's becos there exists the original.

Unbelievers don't Fast, at least not to Jesus.

Salom.
Cc: Sarassin. Butterflylion Muttleylaff, mujtahida, Ubenedictus, Ronpet777.

MuttleyLaff:
Do you at all know what prolactin, oxytocin and melatonin are?
If yes, explain what they do, what their effect is on men after having sex and/or making love
Imagine it on the man's fasting and praying pre-plan

I don't, that's why i asked.

MuttleyLaff:
After how many reminders. I lost count

Sorry Sir. Pele

MuttleyLaff:
budaatum wouldnt have to ask, if you had done the needful, like I earlier requested

It was very tiring after the time with the kids yesterday, from there i went to Church, i got home tired, opened the thread and slept off.
I saw this tbis morning and have included it in the Op.

Thanks bro.

MuttleyLaff:
What is the difference between having sex and making love?

Oh Wow. They are worlds apart.
Sex is an excerxise perdormed by two consenting parners for the purpose of relieving raging hormones.
It can be done with the absence of love between the two consenting partners. It can be done one and never again with the same person. No commitment between both parties. Case in Point Genesis 38


And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
Genesis:38:8

And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
Genesis:38:9
Onan had SEX with Tamar, enjoy the it, but pulled out and spilled it. There was no love between them hence; his action.

But, love making is an interaction. It's bonding, it is a fusion of souls and spirits of both parties. Love making can take place with sex.

Love making is a heart to heart connection, it's a covenant. It's a melting of two hearts. This ia where giving sacrificially comes it.

Good News Translation Genesis 24:67

Then Isaac brought Rebecca into the tent that his mother Sarah had lived in, and she became his wife. Isaac loved Rebecca, and so he was comforted for the loss of his mother.

pls, no smart mouth should tell me that Isaac just brought Rebecca into his mothers tent but didn't touch her o

MuttleyLaff:
besides, 1 Corinthians 7 and the chapter 6 before it wasnt even about sexual abstinence because of fasting and prayer
Sexual abstinence for sake of fasting and prayer, was thought out by Paul, in response to the Corinthians asking him about whether it is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman
Paul improved the question, by answering other areas of intimacy with women

The friend who asked the question quoted from 1Cor 7:6. Hence i have to stay within the confines of that scripture.

And, No, it wasn't about abstinence, but Paul used that as an opportunity to address an iasue which may arise later when partners decides to fast.

MuttleyLaff:
Reading 1 Corinthians:7:5 in isolation, and trying to make a doctrine out of it, is just being careless

This is not about Sex, but sex whiel Fasting and prayers, sir if there other passages which addressed this issue, i will like to know.

Shalom.

CAPSLOCKED:

WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE IN OTHER RELIGIONS?
WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE WITHOUT RELIGION?

WHAT ABOUT ANIMALS THAT HAVE SEX?


IT'S SELFISHNESS TO ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IN THIS GALAXY MUST REVOLVE AROUND YOUR RELIGION.

I am a Christian, i talk as a Christian and what my Bible tells me not what other religions teaches.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Biko gawa.

Ronpet777:
I want to believe it is more of d mind thing than anything else. Sex in marriage is a very holy act yet, i do believe the essence of fasting is strict self denial of pleasurable things. In as much as d act is holy we all agree it is gratifying. Hence, to keep us focused on waiting on God for whatever reason d fasting was meant. We r in a better state of mind to do away with it temporarily.
My thought though.
Emmanystone, how do u see this thought?

Pleasure, Pleasure, Pleasure. Sex is Pkeasurable yes, and our father wantd us to enjoy it plenty, but it's not about the pleasure or the abscence of it o.

Ubenedictus:
I wasn't invited but I'll drop my 2 cent.

sex in marriage is holy and covenantal, it is the God given means of sustaining and renewing the marriage covenant, it is both desired and commanded by God.


in another sense it is"profane" in the same sense that marriage is profane and eating is profane... they are all primarily engineered towards our physical life...they are earthly realities that will not follow us to heaven... it is only in this sense that married sex can be call profane or earthly.


a time for fasting is a time for making sacrifices, its stands to reason that even as a beneficial thing like food is put aside so also a beneficial thing like sex can be put aside. food isn't wrong or carnal...it is just sacrificed during fasting so too sex.


2ndly the apostles were Jews, the Jewish priest kept away from sex during their times of service, during fasting etc, the Christians took similar practices... if you read up the early Christians you'll see the minister avoid sex around the time of his service.... these were sacrifices people made to put themselves in a spiritual mood, food is not unclean in fact the Bible says the marriage bed is honorable, yet fasting or abstinences means giving up something good and right and beneficial in other to stave the body and energize the spirit.


there is nothing wrong with married sex or food,they are just earthly realities so people are encouraged to give them up for a time to pursue spiritual things.


if you don't understand this then I'll suggest you recheck and reexamine why you fast, does that mean food is wrong?

Wow, we have the same mind on this. This exact my understanding when He asked me to define and explanation FASTING. BUT He gave me and aswere i never expected.

Thanks very much for your thought.

And, the thread is open to all.

Mujtahida:
The essence of the seed is ten times greater than the essence of the blood. There's sperm in every cell in a man's body. The sperm is called the life force. It is believed that keeping it in the body keeps a man spiritually sharp. It enhances spiritual sensitivity and alertness.

So, for this reason, no sex?

Sarassin:
Hmmm...@bolded I bet Mrs Mutters is none too pleased with that!

, She will be if she were fasting too.

The Scritpures says, with understanding (agreement).

Mujtahida:
The holy Spirit did not. Millenia before Christianity, it was known in various Buddhist and Hindu sects that men should abstain from sex during periods of spiritual exercises like fasting. In Yoga a man can experience orgasm without ejaculation. Abi Holy Spirit dey Buddhism?

What was the purpose of abstaining from sex during fasting in Buddhism pls?

MuttleyLaff:
Dont fret
She'll soon reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa
(i.e. the incontrovertible proof about no sex during fasting and prayer)

I forgot to.place it in the Op, but itst there now.

Sarassin:
Really, well Cara Mia what do I know?

Lol. You know a lot, that's why you became my own Mia Caro. No one, but you.

MuttleyLaff:
He is. He is in stealth

Really? Mehn, that guy been dey scatter my head wen i come here newly. Him and Viaro

Pls Nuclearboy, speak up.

MuttleyLaff:
Please for the benefit of others especially invited guests,
reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa

My thoughts are, I know for myself, that after burrowing, I just want to instantly roll over and sleep
Thank God for prolactin, oxytocin and melatonin
So, if I am fasting and praying, it will be an unwise move for me to consider poking the nest

I disconcur that what you posted is completely unrelated
It is so pertinent to the subject title
If the good Lord commanded, "Go forth and multiply" then sex in marriage cant be carnal

The bolded .

If sex in marriage is not Carnal why shouldn't you have it during fasting, not just when you are praying.
Prayer is done always, but fasting is not. Why abstain from sex during fasting?

Ishilove:
Was Paul under the influence of the holy spirit when he said exhorted that we should abstain from sex while fasting? The act of fasting is the denial of that which gives pleasure and sustenance to oneself. Self denial and sacrifice. Why in God's name is sex within marriage carnal?

US Christians just love chasing shadows where there are none

Yes, Paul spoke the mind of God when he said we shd abstain from sex during fasting and prayer. There's a very good reason for that.

Humanistme:
yeah, but your are not black American

Remember the danger of a single story.

My point is, evil was committed against them, but for how long will they remain down? You can't help being stoned down, now that you have fallen, will you remain on the floor blaming your attacker forever? They shd remember that whitemen died trying to librate them too.

They shd get up, go to school, learn to work and leave drugs alone. No whiteman is pushing them into stealing, and doing drugs. Their girls just mess and have children like rats.

Some stupid and empty Nigerians are copying their stupidity of drugs and baby mamas, shey you see it entering our society and corrosing it? What is in them to copy from?

They are very jealous of you from Africa who against all odds go there and succeed. You stuggle to have a home, a job, residence permit. you suffer stigmatization because of the scourge of corruption back here. A whole lot is against you, but, you do far better than them who are born into the society. They have everything free, but throw it away crying about slave trade which has been abolished forever.

Will education discriminate agaisntt them? Those who went to school, aren't they doing well?
Take Ben Carson for instance, is he not black, did he come from a welathy home? No. How did he make it to where he is today? Determination.

Pls stop justifying laziness. Black Americans are lazy hoping the world will be turn over to them if they keep shouting racism. They are the most racists.

See, i did a Thesis on Immigration, focussing on African Immigrants to Western World and how they fair thereI had to read and i discovered a lot. Biko.

How is the Bible and image of YHWH? And who worahips it?

budaatum:
Some would argue that God is written into the Fabric of the Universe. But, apart from that, YHWH breathed himself into mud and buda appeared, so why go outside God's dwelling to seek God outside?

In other words, you worship yourself since YHWH's breath is in you and that makes you YHWH?

budaatum:
Also, it is written in Deuteuronomy, "that people do not live by bread alone; but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of the LORD shall man live".

What has this got to do with anything?

budaatum:
God is a Spirit and the Bible is not God. It is a very dim reflection of God, at best an image that is made true when one breathes life into it.

God is a Spirit but that Spirit is not God? Who is that spirit then? Or, you are referring to a different Spirit altogether?

budaatum:
For the same reason a medical doctor may study history. So as to know about it.

I see. Will that be because you'd need to proof to God that He is wrong when you meet Him, that is if He exists?

budaatum:
Human beings are defined by what they worship. So in order to understand them, one like me would learn to understand their Gods. So I go to their schools and attend their lessons.

Hence; to understand Christians you go to their worship centres, not becos you care about what they do there but just for observation? That's interesting.

budaatum:
Yes, I would say so, if you wanted to understand them. In fact, I would go further. Here you are 'sacrificing' with an atheist. I bet you would understand me better for doing so.

I have a piece of land by the Owala River in the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun. I do join in when a white ram is sacrificed to it once a year. We also have Odun Ade which I participate in, as well as the annual festivals for Ogun and Obatala.

When I am in Rome, I am a Roman. When you are in Rome, you remain Emmanystone. We differ that way. Perhaps we have different missions on earth.

Yes indeed, when in Rome i remain Emmanystone that is because the One in me owns all the earth's territory. Who He is here in Orulo Kingdom, is who He is in Rome. Odun can not be Odun in Rome, that's why you'd need to assimilate to Rome. YHWH remains constant and consistent here and there.

And, Yes, i understand them alright. Believe me when i tell you, i do. I have read about the Yoruba Cosmology and Mythology, so i know. I don't need to join them in their sacrifices with blood to know who they are and what they are about.

budaatum:
I am the atheist. He was (died last year aged 89), Church of England. When he died, the Sun went dark and the birds, squirrels and foxes in his garden all wept. He was such a generous kind man that if he is not in heaven, heaven would be bankrupt of people.

Yeah right. That'll only be if YHWH is led by emotions and a respected of men.

Generosity without the Life Christ only gives is dead already, no way out of it. He confessed to being a non-Christian. He stood for no God in particular. He believed all Ways leads to God, he stood for nothing.

We do not enter for our Deeds on earth, No, we enter heaven because we have a New Nature of Christ. That is the body, the essence we need require to enter heaven, not generosity. Evil men are philanthropists to those they want to be, they won't enter heaven for that.

I could refer to the book you sent me, but you said you don't believe it, so i'd let it be.

Apst Paul says, 'If i am generous to the point of giving all my earthly goods to the poor and if i still feel i need to do more, give my body to be burnt for others, without love, i am nothing and that act profits me nothing.

Who rewards with profits? God. And His creed is Love. Loving his way, not the way you choose. You can't love man if you don't first love God for you'll not know it.

If you love God, you'd keep His commandments, and he didn't. because, if he understood an ounce of what it meant to be a Christian, he wouldn't chide you for not spread unbelief in Christ.(O well, he wasn't a Christian).

Anyone with the slightest of underatand of why Christ came, will encourage you to accept the free gift of the New life and Nature Chriat came to give, without which you'd be locked out of his presence.

budaatum:
He believed in a Universal God of All Beings, out of which different groups have carved out their own understanding and parochialised it. He found YHWH to be some parochialised petty God of the Christians.

Lolzzzzz. Yet you opined that if Heaven does not admit him, she will be bankrupt. He never believed in Jesus whose presence he would be admitted into, so he will be admitted to the presence of the 'God of all Beings'nah. No shakes. Since YHWH is parochial and Petty, he shall go to a God who is not Parochial and Petty, for we must all go to somewhere, whether or not we believe it.

budaatum:
I did not preach atheism. Nor do I oppose scripture. I advocate for an understanding of the text, and an abandoning of belief.

I see, you promote the Letter, but not the Spirit of the Word? That sounds like preaching Materialsm.

That sounds like what satan would do, for if we take the text 'Letter' and not the believe, Spirit, we will be denying the Power of Christ. Satan likes that very much. Wow

Keeping men perpertually in the flesh not knowing their spiritual aspect. Imgenious.

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof. No sir. Without the Spirit, there's no life.

budaatum:
The Jews had belief when Christ came. No work on the Sabbath, wash your hands; love your neighbours but not those nasty Samaritans, Tax Collectors and Gentiles etc. Christ poopooed their beliefs and said "You hypocrites who purify the outside but bother not about the inside".

How does what Christ stood for not belief but Text?

What the Jews did is what you advocte here. Text, not Believe. They dwelled on the Letter of the Word, which was following strictly what was written, but not knowing or taking into mind WHY it was written. The Jews were overtaken by traditions and forgot or drifted from the Spirit. The Letter killeth, but the Spirit gives Life.

Everthing YHWH gave is Spiritual and without believe it's useless and you want us useless.

budaatum:
My friend did not think atheism would be cruel. It is I who think it would be cruel to take away her comfort blanket.

In otherwords, you know that if she becomes an atheist, she will loose her comfort or Joy? You just admitted that atheism is crulty and atheists are unhappy people. And pls don't tell me you have joy becos you don't. You can never know it until Christ gives it, and if you have it, i bet my life on this, you won't be an atheist for a minute.

budaatum:
I described her as simple. And even with her God she is still distressed. The Buddha taught in the Four Noble Truths that "life is suffering "caused by greed or desire". This is what the simple woman does that causes her distress. She clings on to beliefs which cause her distress. She might benefit from abandoning those beliefs, but I am not her Messiah.

Are you saying she was a Christian but practiced the Four Noble Truths of Buddha?

You are not being direct here. You discribed her as the swertest happy woman ever, except your use of simplicity means she was stupid. And if she wasn't striaght, why then will you use such a woman to best discribe the state of a Christian?

What really is distressing her?

What beliefs did you want her to drop? The Four Noble Truths of Buddha or the Christian beliefs? If she was a Christian, or rather a Church goer, who practiced Buddhism, will you discribe her as a Christian?

budaatum:
She would never get her head around a no-god existence, and I have no gain in taking her comforting blanket from her. Besides, atheism is not a god, but a way of thinking and the assumptions it is based on.

Meaning there's nothing intrinsic to gain from being an atheist abi?

If there is, what is it?

budaatum:
Belief involves the acceptance of the facts as given. It is why it is written, "Even the devils believe" to which I add, 'so what's the virtue in that?'

Maybe if you had read the whole verse you'd have seen the virtue. The Devils believes that Jesus is God and they trembles at that knowlegde or fact. Why do they tremble? They know what will happen to them at the end if it all. Hence; they cried out, Leave us alone, foe our time has not come'. Time for what? Anyone on the aide of satan is restless.

budaatum:
People who believe tend to assume that they know already. It is not how you would be taught in school. In school, they teach one to be critical. It is by being critical that one acquires understanding which enables one to build on ones knowledge and to make use of it.

We do not assume we know, or mistaking misplace believe for knowledge. Like i said before, you believe first before maturing to knowing. No one is born with knowledge. We are born Tabular Rasa, but with observation, and tutulage, comes growth which projects us to knowledge. Not all believers in God knows Him, that's why they doubt Him. But with age comes growth then knowledge.

Sir, we reason and are enjoined to critize and reason. YHWH demands that we his followers 'Come so that we can reason together (debate) Isaiah 1:18

He said we shd present our strong point (debate). Isa 41:21. What will you call that?

We are not called into what we do not have a say. If you have something to say, then present your cause.

budaatum:
I agree, I can't tell you "about what you believe", only you can tell me that. But I can make you understand how I see it however. You will let me know when you have had enough.

Yes indeed, that is why i asked your thought about the book. I now understand how you see things. We are at divergent positions.

budaatum:
You said Paul came up with it actually.

Sir, i didn't say Paul came up with it, i said 'The Holy Spirit through Paul' said...

budaatum:
And if it is correct, that Paul did say so, it must be known that Paul got quite a lot of stuff from non-Christian sources and not just from the Holy Spirit. Though, I don't know if he wrote this or where he got it from.

Let's discuss Paul sources some other time, but today is about Sex during Fasting and Prayer.

budaatum:
Could you provide biblical references please.

Yes sir.
1 Corinthians:7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

bloodofthelamb:
Holy Spirit through Paul advice us to pray without ceasing, does it now mean that married couples should abstain from sex without ceasing?

Pray without ceasing doesn't mean we should remain on our knees all day, it means being importuned in prayer. Case in point, the widow and the Judge in Luke 18:3. Ask, and keep asking until you receive your petitions.

bloodofthelamb:
Sex is a beautiful gift from God to couples which is meant to be enjoyed with love and respect from both sides... Engaging in it does not make one more holy, neither is one more holy by staying away from it.

Yes it is. But why did the Holy Spirit say we abstain from it during fasting and prayer?

bloodofthelamb:
It is a matter of understanding... That is why we have to seek for understanding, like we searching for gold.

Sir, why do you think is the reason the Holy Spirir enjoined we abstain from sex during sex. He gave us sex, hence it's a good thing. We are married, not doing it outside marriage.

Is Sex in itself carnal? If not, why aren't we having it in marriage?

Does it dedile us?

Good morning sir.




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Sarassin:
Completely unrelated. The good Lord commanded, "Go forth and multiply" How do you comply with God's commandment if not by the act of marital conjugation? Christianity generally perceives fasting as a half-measure of penance and a half measure of supplication therefore consumation of the sexual act during fasting could be considered counter-intuitive to the aims of fasting. But one cannot then make that leap that ergo, abstention from the sexual act during fasting renders the act Carnal.

Mia Caro, Christians didn't come up with the idea of no sex during Fasting and prayer, the Holy Spirit did.

MuttleyLaff:
Invite to:
Sarassin, bloodofthelamb, petra1, MizMyColi, connectikut89, Goshen360, nuclearboy, JMAN05, LoJ, Mujtahida, Jozzy4, shadeyinka, walls01

Nuclearboy is no longer in Nairaland.

MuttleyLaff:
"Oro" loosely means "word"
"Niyen" loosely means "that is"
so "oro niyen" means "that is word"
It's used when making a complimentary remark

Oh, okay. Pls come over to the other side.

Calling in MuttleyLaff, Ronpet777, Butterflylion/ Butterfly1on, Budaatum Ishilove my babe.

godisgood200:
I guess not.

What are you guessing?

sonofluc1fer:
True, private parts are meant to be shared.

And they are shared, but why not during Fasting Prayers?

MuttleyLaff:
Care to share the answer with all.
Sharing and giving are the ways of God

Hmm, word. Oro niyen.

Pls explanation to the bolded.

MuttleyLaff:
Care to share the answer with all.
Sharing and giving are the ways of God

Hmm, word. Oro niyen.

Bros, pls come in here.

https://www.nairaland.com/4369732/sex-marriage-carnal

Budaatum you too.