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Christianity EtcRe: Can Heaven Satisfy All? by emofine2(op): 9:03am On Mar 26, 2012
mazaje: What do you need rivers of honey, rivers of wine and lots of women for?
Na enjoyment nau. Who no like good thing before? See as e con resemble bribe sef. But as an extra guarantee to attract more followers who may have otherwise been uninterested there is the threat of hell to steer people into the path that leads to heaven.

They are not to be enticed of the things of this world only to be lured by the promise of heaven by things which are of this world or can be found in the world huh

There are many people that get all these things here on earth. . .
Abi now.

So it’s a sin to be taken in by the pleasures of the world but if one abstains one will get to indulge in such pleasure for eternity as a reward for abstaining from such pleasure. huh undecided

Basically one will have to travail on earth in order to make it to a place called heaven just to find it’s basically an extension of earth undecided

I would have thought that something that we earthly beings have not already experienced would have been a more apt "reward".
Dating And Meet-up ZoneRe: Deltans Meet Here! by emofine2(f):
Delta wa do.

azpekuliar: I hail ooo fellow Deltan NLers.
How often do Isokos stop by?
Infrequently. Doh. Wo sasa?
Music/RadioRe: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by emofine2(f): 7:26am On Mar 26, 2012
Habib Koite - Sirata cool
Music/RadioRe: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by emofine2(f): 7:24am On Mar 26, 2012
Kuyaura smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah Witnesses And Blood? by emofine2(op):
Evil Brain: Personally, I don't care if they accept blood or not.
Neither do I. But what I don’t fully get is that if they are “saved” in Christ they must have accepted his “blood that cleanses whiter than snow” which contradicts their own policy. Unless their reason for adopting such policy was due to the significance and sacredness surrounding the blood; a symbol of Christ's sacrifice in biblical text.

When I become president, I'm going to force everyone who publicly opposes blood donation to have "no blood" tattooed to their chest so that everyone will know not to give them blood and shorten everybody else's ration. The anti-blood people get to go to heaven early, and the rest of us get to stay here on earth a bit longer. Everybody wins!
Lol.
Christianity EtcRe: Can Heaven Satisfy All? by emofine2(op): 7:15am On Mar 26, 2012
mazaje: Rivers of wine, rivers of honey, streets of gold, diamonds. . . .beautiful women creatures, beautiful garment, etc. . .
Does it not sound materialistic and vain? undecided For religions which mark materialism as a worldly vice, why then do their final destinations promise much of such in abundance? undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Wole Soyinka On Traditionalism by emofine2(f): 6:54am On Mar 26, 2012
Kay 17: Most of us are out of touch with the African metaphysical, foreign religions like islam have bastardized and demonized it and our identity along with. We have misconceptions that all that's left of it is JAZZ, which is not true. Africans had once had a colourful unique view of the world.
Precisely.
CultureRe: New Member From The Land Of The Ancient People. by emofine2(f): 6:48am On Mar 26, 2012
[quote author=Ta_Xasa]Hey My Old Friend Long Time Indeed smiley[/quote]Yep. I was beginning to think you could no longer reconcile with this strange looking site, lol.

There is the basic Simlarity Between all Afro-asiatic Languages, For a starter you will Find words for sky,Water,Write are similar, Afro-asiatic Languages are grouped Under one Umbrella Because Historians Believe The languages within the afroasiatic Languages either evolved Together at close proximity,Borrowed, People Mixed together. Other Think the ancestory of all these languages is one ancient extinct Language which started to break into Branches 15,000 Years ago. There is similarities Between Hausa and ancient Egyptians as a language, Hausa has also Many Similarities Between Hausa and some Kushtic Languages especially Ta bedawi which is Beja a language.
Interesting. I wonder where the geographical root of this language group was located. North or East perhaps?
And I wonder why certain seemingly insignificant words such as “water”, “write” etc are similar . . . unless they all borrowed from a root.
What is the criteria that qualifies any language to be afro-asiatic? i.e. similar phonetics? similar words? same origin? etc. . I don't really understand what guidelines is used to classify any language.
Christianity EtcJehovah Witnesses And Blood? by emofine2(op): 12:47pm On Mar 25, 2012
I gather that Jehovah witnesses abstain from activities involving the blood such as transfusions and donating. Apparently according to their policy it is a sin to accept blood.
Whilst this policy is certainly their prerogative is this not odd considering the role blood plays in the story of Christ? The blood is a very important symbol for Christ believers as according to the scripture it is through the blood of Jesus that Man’s sins were atoned for. How then can people who profess to believe in Christ have such a policy concerning blood? Is it contradictory perhaps? Or is it perhaps because of this symbolism, Jehovah Witness's refrain from blood transfusions and donation?

Despite the metaphorical content, if mankind’s salvation was sealed via the blood of Jesus do not Jehovah witnesses accept his “blood” in order to become “saved”?
CultureRe: New Member From The Land Of The Ancient People. by emofine2(f): 12:19pm On Mar 25, 2012
Hey Ta_Xasa. Long time, how you been?

Hieroglyph is not semitic But share alot of words with semitic Because its part of the afro asiatic language Group, and Share alot of words with kushtic Language Because its also Afro asiatic language, and its the closest Language to Beja,
Hausa is also a member of the afro- asiatic language group (perhaps the biggest afro-asiatic language in West Africa). . .I wonder if there is any similarities between Hausa and Hieroglyph and even the Kushtic languages...hmmn undecided
Christianity EtcRe: Wole Soyinka On Traditionalism by emofine2(f): 7:48am On Mar 25, 2012
Sweetnecta: "God" emofine will cry out in definite situation[s]. but she denies God outside the specific situation[s].
huh
IslamRe: How Can This Be Peace??? by emofine2(f): 7:46am On Mar 25, 2012
Disgusting. I just don’t understand these sick people at all. If those children were actually supposed witches then could they not even consider in their warped twisted mind that the accused children may actually use their alleged black magic to deal with them in return due to the torture meted out to them? If those children are witches what about those who born them?

Which is even better sef. . .to be a witch or a child killer/abuser?

I’ve always contemplated if all people were actually mature enough to handle the responsibility of religion because so many unbalanced people give their religion a bad name.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians And Muslims Please Interpret This. Witchcraft Of Not by emofine2(f): 7:33am On Mar 25, 2012
Lol grin
Christianity EtcRe: Can Heaven Satisfy All? by emofine2(op): 7:31am On Mar 25, 2012
tbaba1234: I think you are asking the wrong questions.... The first question you ask yourself whether you believe in a God? If you don't, then there is no need for these questions... you need to answer that fundamental question.

If you do, then the question is:

a.What does this creator expect of me?
b.How do i now what he expects of me?
c.Are there rational explanations to all of this?
d. Does this creator play a part in my life?, if yes, what are the signs of this?

Most importantly, If the signs of a creator and all rational evidences are presented before me, Do i have the courage to take this path?

If you do, fine::

If you don't, i guess you have to start from question 1 again...
Hhmmn . . .I've actually pondered on these questions before.
Christianity EtcRe: Members Of Church Of Satan Meets Here by emofine2(f): 5:08pm On Mar 24, 2012
satanism isnt abt wealth bt abt elevation of the human soul to become a god head
Interesting. Initially I thought Satanism was an antithetical belief-system to the Abrahamic faiths in particular Christianity.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism by emofine2(f): 3:58pm On Mar 24, 2012
harakiri: Do i need to know you?
If you feel the need to make hasty conclusions and fictitious statements about a person without indeed having any prior knowledge of said individual or even first enquiring then I suggest you keep your trap shut until such has been confirmed because that exposes your irrationality (something you are so fond of accusing the religious populace of, how ironic it appears you contain such in high volume).
Believe me I could give a lesser damn about your fake proposed apology.
I prefer conversing with unpresumptuous people so a reply from you will thus be ignored. Thanks awfully.
Christianity EtcRe: Wole Soyinka On Traditionalism by emofine2(f):
Sweetnecta: @Emofine; DO you think that an educated person can not be ignorant in something, considering the fact that knowledge is continuum and knowledge about us and our environment may just be at the infant stage?
Is it not possible that there is a Creator of what we see, in addition to what we do not see or know? Or did all of these happened without a causer, and we see such an order in all that we know, a repetition?
Every day is a learning curve. No matter how educated an individual is there is still room to acquire more knowledge. And it is the willingness to acquire more information concerning a particular subject that separates the uninformed from the wilful ignorant individual who consciously chooses not to expand their thinking.

Sweetnecta, I am most certain that there is a source at least. And I also believe in the possibility of a creator. If this entity is indeed the most xeroxed entity then there must be an original for any counterfeit to persist, I've often wondered.

What is also striking is the strand of similarities found in many belief systems so again I've often questioned if the one in which you call god could not have revealed itself in contextually relevant ways to all people at all time.

Also this idea of god being a body is not something I care to adhere to. Because if we do have a source and people title that source as god then that source (not necessarily a body) could be vapour, or liquid etc. Really I have no qualms with those who want to bottle up this entity and adhere to such as a personal god but when one does that and tries to force that portrait on another individual or tries to promote their own concept of truth as the legitimate offering marginalizing other people’s belief in the process, I certainly have a real problem then and that is what makes me to want to pick apart at such a person’s so called rendering of the "truth".

Like Soyinka and Beier said, it is insecurity that makes one want to fish for followers . . .maybe because the numbers in one’s party may help strengthen their notion in that ideal and the comfort in not being the sole being to adhere to such concept may make one feel that the truth in which they adhere to is thus realer.

If the causer is One can we all agree to say its a Higher Existence, a Being, our God? Or are there many true causers in this so wonderfully ordered existence that we are part of; human specie being just a small portion of the all? If there are more than one causer, the probability is that the interest of one may be sometimes different from the other[s], at a particular time. What such condition of different agenda may have on us and our environment will definitely be chaos. Is this not possible? Imagine 2 persons having independent control over a thing, both at the same time that each could do as he/she wishes to effect the dynamics and how it all ends. Do we think that one of these 2 overlords will not want to render the intention of the other useless?

Such is the idea of God with multiple entity in the God head. No one of them can be truly in control; each with different agenda will rid the others or render them useless.

Such in a sense is the mini God to True Single God Who is capable of acting alone, over the mini God and all that think highly of the mini God.
I understand what you are trying to say. But even if there was one creator or god would not his followers serve him and worship him differently. Even in the same religious body people still have their own interpretation hence the birth of different denominations.

Well regarding that and the concept of one god, I think you may be trying to disqualify other theism because having two masters who may not be in accordance to each other at all time may be difficult for their follower.

I want you to consider this though, in a company there is a division of labour so there is usually a specialist in each functional role. There are many gods in certain belief systems but still you will find that there is a supreme deity governing these subordinates. If you think about it, in a company, despite the number of employees in their individual functional role. . .they are all part of one body at the end of the day managed by one head. Now with certain theology such as monotheism, the faculties are just consolidated into one being . . .in polytheism these gods are essentially part of one body . . .there is still a oneness found even in polytheism so I don’t see it as contradictory if an individual serves two or more gods (well unless they profess monotheism when the opposite is true) that are essentially in harmony with each other. But perhaps the two or more gods are equal in supremacy - (which I doubt because they will still have their specialties and will be called upon according to the needs of their followers most likely) – and have a conflict of opinion then that is a private matter between the entities and their follower to resolve.

Should we serve God that needs to be fed, clothed, protected from the elements? None of them is Truly The God worthy of worship, especially when we make it with our hands, tools, factories.
Like Mazaje has already countered should we thus worship a god that needs advertisers of who “he” is? Have people to defend “him”? etc. . . what you have written in order to relegate those gods are essentially rituals anyway. Why do people cast their own gods? well why didn't God write the holy book?
You tell me.

God Almighty is One; Unique in every respect and Independent of us
If god is apparently in us then how is he independent of us?
In order for this being to qualify as a creator this entity had to create. In order for this being to be recognised as god, this entity created sentient beings that will acknowledge "his" pre-eminence, giving glory to this entity.
How then could this almighty God be independent of us when one of “his” main purposes for creating mankind was for us to worship “him”? am I wrong?

while all depend on Him
Nope not true. Not everybody is god-dependent. . .and that’s why these particular people according to your god will be quenching in the inferno called hell.

Now that is the God I am inviting you to.
No thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: Members Of Church Of Satan Meets Here by emofine2(f): 12:38pm On Mar 24, 2012
I’m curious. . .is there a promised final destination for those who practise Satanism?
Christianity EtcRe: Qur'an Vs Bible by emofine2(f): 12:24pm On Mar 24, 2012
cowgurl: Why is it that the Bible can be found everywhere, anytime you want it and the Qur'an, you hardly find it?
huh

“Seek and ye shall find” tongue on a serious note though, this seeming issue reflects more on you than the supposedly rare Qur'an undecided
Christianity EtcCan Heaven Satisfy All? by emofine2(op):
In several religious bodies heaven poses as the ultimate reward and final destination for faithful servants thus is the believer’s main objective.

A generous description of heaven has been presented in several religious texts with noticeable differences depending on the religion. i.e. the Heavens illustrated in the Quran and the Bible understandably differ. But it also makes one wonder as to who the target audience of these otherworldly abodes are.

An incentive for any contest is the prize; offering greater motivation for the participant. But also the prize may not be appealing to all contenders.

I wonder if it’s ever occurred to believers that this great reward called heaven is not at all appealing to every individual (repented or not) and may to some appear as an unexciting habitat.

If heaven is to be the ultimate eternal reward for every believer then shouldn’t the reward be befitting for all?

Now I gather that the pleasures of the world do not essentially correspond to the pleasures found in heaven – but can heaven satisfy everyone who believes?

If each individual has their own understanding of pleasure, what if the pleasures to be found in heaven does not appeal to all religious people? does that still make heaven a reward for the unimpressed individual?

Relatively, heaven only sounds more attractive than hell due to the absence of pain but wouldn’t boredom feature if there are certain repetitive activities which are of no interest to the believer?

(And another thing which I find extremely odd - for a religion that professes that materialism is a worldly vice; ironically heaven sounds pretty materialistic in nature.)
Christianity EtcRe: Wole Soyinka On Traditionalism by emofine2(f): 11:34am On Mar 23, 2012
Interesting read. I share a similar position to Prof. Soyinka concerning the marginalization of traditional beliefs without a fair assessment. . . and whilst accusing traditionalism some people forget that the same things they use to disqualify the native beliefs is all but apparent in the imported faiths.

I find myself agreeing with so many things he and the interviewer have aired in their dialogue.

I became more and more intrigued and it is not surprising that, when I went to study in England. I nearly took "Comparative Religion" as one of my subjects; but then I decided that I would enjoy it more, if I just read into it and visited all sorts of places ... I remember going to this small Buddhist meeting; I visited the so-called fundamentalist religions, the spiritualist churches .
His early activities mirror mine. I’ve visited a Buddhist temple, wandered into a home of scientology, shared questions at an Islamic gathering etc even acquired the literature of various religions. . . . mostly born out of curiosity and intrigue and to expel some misconceptions I carried about these belief systems. I may not be religious or even like the thought of being religious but I dislike the thought of being ignorant even more.

But what is remarkable is that despite some people negatively regarding religion, some religious people themselves are no different in those perception and views concerning other beliefs or willing to confront any possible misconception when they should perhaps be more understanding knowing how unfortunate it is to have their belief misconstrued.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism by emofine2(f): 11:28am On Mar 23, 2012
harakiri: THAT RIGHT THERE is one of the reasons why I've always referred to religion (Christianity in this case) as a CULT! ! !

So because the poster isn't religious, you expect her to be treated harshly abi? See the nonsense i keep talking about? Is that the way your biblical Jesus treated the "unbelievers"?

Hypocrites!
Self delusionists! !
Un-curable religious zombies! ! !
Your disdain is misguided and your conclusion premature. You don’t know me in the slightest!

I don’t wish for her to be harshly treated but I expect it given the nature of that country. I was merely curious as to what reception is given to a female Muslim apostate turned atheist in a religious revering country.

Nothing about those questions even suggests that I’m a Christian or indeed religious – quite the opposite actually.

So next time care to fully comprehend before venting the contempt you harbour for your target audience!
Christianity EtcRe: What Was The Official Church's Position On Slave Trade While It Was Happening? by emofine2(f): 11:26am On Mar 23, 2012
I’m still amazed by those who seem to believe that. . .we were from a land of savages and if not for the Grace of God and his ordained emissaries that Dark Continent would have never encountered “the way the truth and the light” in other words civilization hence we must forever be grateful, maintaining an ever forgiving countenance despite the brutish carriage in which this faith was imported because without God’s special envoys we would have surely forever been a lost people. . .

Despite the fact that many great empires in Africa predated the birth of Christ! And the sad irony today is I see many African brethren’s here in London gladly giving back the gospel to the nation who imposed their faith on us as reverse missionaries but not many want to listen to them unarmed “bible bashers” - whilst the African is perfecting his Christian posture the Europeans have happily moved on. Pity.
Forum GamesRe: My Current Mood In One Word: by emofine2(f): 8:51am On Mar 22, 2012
Crap! embarassed
CultureRe: Is Traditional Marriage A Must? by emofine2(f): 7:03pm On Mar 21, 2012
Ptolomeus: It is necessary to get married in church?
My thoughts exactly.
Christianity EtcRe: What Has Atheism Contributed To Humanity? by emofine2(f): 9:54am On Mar 21, 2012
mkmyers45: Have you ever heard atheist countries fighting each other? Most worldwide inventions are hand-works of atheist/deist who have refused to allow thier mind be logged by religious jiggery-pokery
I have to disagree. Being religious does not exempt one from making meaningful contributions. Attainments such as invention is not exclusive to any particular group. That is the equivalent to the assertion of some religious people who believe that they have a monopoly on morality.
Christianity EtcRe: What Has Atheism Contributed To Humanity? by emofine2(f): 9:45am On Mar 21, 2012
I think this question is slightly misleading because the question portrays atheism as a sort of organization by summing all atheists as a collective as if they are a practitioner of a system.

I think a better posed question would have been - what have atheists contributed to humanity?

Besides the onus still rests on the religions claiming their gospel is to offer a better alternative for mankind.
Christianity EtcRe: Africans And The Concept Of One God by emofine2(op):
sauer: This is one most significant question most Africans refused and still refuse to ponder on. If only they had hearts or heads. . . .
And somewhat, our refusal to engage this question will continue to affect our worth before so-called "advanced nations". A nation which underestimates its own god or gods is bound to count least among other nations. Why? Cos the god represents all that this nation holds sacred and true, all that is meaningful, all that counts and will count. As soon as such nation falters in its belief in its god, cracks will surely appear and a long descent into insignificance begins. Perhaps this was what brought Africa its first series of marginalization.
Just see how the crusaders defended the holy city against muslim invaders. Is that happening in Jerusalem, in the Middle East, not now a battle of "gods", a battle for "god" significance?
High time Africans woke up to the reality that elevating one's native gods is elevating oneself. I bet, as long as we continue to exhort these inherited jewish and arabian gods, we can never count among the nation of peoples.
Word!
Only in Africa can illegal immigrants be given a ceremonial welcome whilst in return these same strangers unfamiliar with native customs have the audacity to disqualify things they have no clue of. Illegal immigrants labelling native customs as illegitimate but conveniently intruded with the correct faith thank god! (clearly not from a biased angle) and so decided to share the good news (in not so “good” a way) and holy book coupled with a holy gun perhaps, in one of the most miraculous shotgun revelations to happen in Africa.

Are not the converters senior to the converted? And does not the senior guide the junior? Or perhaps misguide? If one is under the authority of another man's god is one not also under the authority of another man? How can anyone respect those that do not have a respect for what is theirs.

You know it would actually have been interesting to witness the outcome if the converters have come to promote atheism - I wonder how many Africans would have considered it and what effect it would have had on the continent.
Christianity EtcRe: Africans And The Concept Of One God by emofine2(op): 4:20am On Mar 20, 2012
Ptolomeus: Dear friend Emofine:
First of all, my expression of affection for you.
I have my doubts that African religion is really polytheistic.
I can be wrong, but I think Oloorùn is the only god and creator. The Orisa are emanations of the one God and creator, whose misiçon just is to maintain the universal balancing between.
So I understand it.
When we speak of God (Evangelical, Islamic, Catholic, traditional, etc) I always think we are talking about the same.
I understand that the difference is in how each of us that God appoints, and the way they cultuamos each of us.
Absolute truth does not exist, and the biggest mistake we can make is to fanatizarnos.
Hello Ptolomeus

Hmmm but all the gods governing these faiths are not in harmony with each other. . .

The carriage in which these imported faiths were facilitated was under the slogan “one true god” . . . erecting monotheism as the seemingly correct theology. So there must have been a market for that theism but that is not to say all Africans practised polytheism; the spirituality on the continent is just as diverse as its people.

However classifying some Africans as polytheist may not be so definitive as some Africans hold a reverence for any entity they regard as spiritually significant such as the ancestors or perceived sacred animals etc which still differs from paying obeisance to their personal god.

I think you are right concerning the orishas because they are just like envoys to the supreme deity.
How many orishas are there by the way?

I send a fraternal and sincere hug.
smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism by emofine2(f): 4:10am On Mar 20, 2012
@Sister fatie

Not sure if this has been asked before . . .but is your family and friends aware of your unbelief? If so how do they treat you? Or do you just keep your unbelief to yourself?
Christianity EtcRe: Questions For The Atheist. by emofine2(f): 4:08am On Mar 20, 2012
ndidibabe: (1)How do you discern between good and bad?
huh

Let me ask you a question. How did you manage to discern when you were once an "unbeliever" (assuming you were not born into your current religion) that it was somehow good and not bad to adopt your present belief-system?

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