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Neҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳt:

McRomeow, oya explain yourself!

bekay911:
Emotiny pls dnt interfer

Bigkay sorry o. Forgive my trespass.

I'm really sorry to hear that. It's so unfortunate when one must essentially live undercover - I actually think it's unhealthy too.

By the way which belief do you "pretend" to "conform" to and how did you come to your "non-theist" way of thinking?

[quote author=E-Engineer link=topic=871907.msg10229467#msg10229467 date=1329684980]@op, cant u take a joke, must u be so mechanical, i agree with ur point its just that i dont have the strength to start writing out my bogus analysis of all these things
u still havent answered my question, are u a christian or ATR?[/quote] I wasn't angry and I didn't mean to sound so "mechanical".

What's ATR?

I'm not a Christian by the way.

sauer:
Of course, you never kiss me! That's. . . er. . .okay! But you free me sha!

You been drinking buddy?

ah. . .never a dull moment with you eh?

Neҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳt:

sauermilch

IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

Rudyard Kipling

^^
So you dey forget the "unforgettable" kiss I don dash you before? Or na style u fit use come ask for another one?

@OP souvenir kiss

Does it matter if i call u emo, emif, emofo or just em.

Lol I'm not too bothered

I am an African.

I owe my being to the hills and the valleys, the mountains and the glades, the rivers, the deserts, the trees, the flowers, the seas and the ever-changing seasons that define the face of our native land.

My body has frozen in our frosts and in our latter day snows. It has thawed in the warmth of our sunshine and melted in the heat of the midday sun. The crack and the rumble of the summer thunders, lashed by startling lightening, have been a cause both of trembling and of hope.

The fragrances of nature have been as pleasant to us as the sight of the wild blooms of the citizens of the veld.

The dramatic shapes of the Drakensberg, the soil-coloured waters of the Lekoa, iGqili noThukela, and the sands of the Kgalagadi, have all been panels of the set on the natural stage on which we act out the foolish deeds of the theatre of our day.

At times, and in fear, I have wondered whether I should concede equal citizenship of our country to the leopard and the lion, the elephant and the springbok, the hyena, the black mamba and the pestilential mosquito.

A human presence among all these, a feature on the face of our native land thus defined, I know that none dare challenge me when I say - I am an African!

I owe my being to the Khoi and the San whose desolate souls haunt the great expanses of the beautiful Cape - they who fell victim to the most merciless genocide our native land has ever seen, they who were the first to lose their lives in the struggle to defend our freedom and dependence and they who, as a people, perished in the result.

Today, as a country, we keep an audible silence about these ancestors of the generations that live, fearful to admit the horror of a former deed, seeking to obliterate from our memories a cruel occurrence which, in its remembering, should teach us not and never to be inhuman again.

I am formed of the migrants who left Europe to find a new home on our native land. Whatever their own actions, they remain still, part of me.

In my veins courses the blood of the Malay slaves who came from the East. Their proud dignity informs my bearing, their culture a part of my essence. The stripes they bore on their bodies from the lash of the slave master are a reminder embossed on my consciousness of what should not be done.

I am the grandchild of the warrior men and women that Hintsa and Sekhukhune led, the patriots that Cetshwayo and Mphephu took to battle, the soldiers Moshoeshoe and Ngungunyane taught never to dishonour the cause of freedom.

My mind and my knowledge of myself is formed by the victories that are the jewels in our African crown, the victories we earned from Isandhlwana to Khartoum, as Ethiopians and as the Ashanti of Ghana, as the Berbers of the desert.

I am the grandchild who lays fresh flowers on the Boer graves at St Helena and the Bahamas, who sees in the mind's eye and suffers the suffering of a simple peasant folk, death, concentration camps, destroyed homesteads, a dream in ruins.

I am the child of Nongqause. I am he who made it possible to trade in the world markets in diamonds, in gold, in the same food for which my stomach yearns.

I come of those who were transported from India and China, whose being resided in the fact, solely, that they were able to provide physical labour, who taught me that we could both be at home and be foreign, who taught me that human existence itself demanded that freedom was a necessary condition for that human existence.

Being part of all these people, and in the knowledge that none dare contest that assertion, I shall claim that - I am an African.

Today it feels good to be an African

Thabo Mbeki

The traditional African is belief-centred. Thus the antithesis of that archetype - the "African Atheist” - may appear incompatible to some. Although belief is an individual affair our culture largely supports this convention. Some individuals are even of the notion that it is in the disposition of the African to be spiritual. But that may have more to do with our environment than our supposed nature. Similarly there are those who believe atheism to be “un-African”.

In a continent that nurtures her people to foster belief, it’s almost amazing how some manage to disengage from this climate.
How does one come to lean towards atheism in an incubator that encourages belief? Is this due to academic pride? Detachment from culture? Disappointment as a “believer”?
Or are we all dormant atheists hiding behind a belief that shields us from a feeling of emptiness?

Even though spirituality governs a large part of our society, the presence of atheism in Africa is actually very comprehensible. It seems that our consolidated continental prayers have either been in vain (as largely we still lag behind as a continent) or the “God” we’ve been bugging all along has just been thin air. So it could even be argued that it’s actually a bitter irony that currently more Africans are firm “believers” than atheists upon reflection.

But in a continent that gives credence to spirituality – from government level to the most humble citizen - how does one function in such a society as an atheist? How does such a person remain relevant? Or does the African atheist by default become an outcast in society? If so, is such disownment mutual?

*Just to be clear, I am mainly discussing the African atheist living in Africa.*

^^Beautiful. I've always been a fan of their style.

See wetin valentine don cause now. E don exhaust una . . .but where's bekaylicious to reciprocate the love of mcRomeow?

next:

freecocoa, sauer, mcnepow

sauer:
Emöthin, na wa o! Na so u dey bone ur guY!?

I never

freecocoa:
Hello barbie,I've been in a trance and there was no internet there.

Next time alert me and I fit borrow u connection

Repair that thing in your brain that's forever making you to misspell my name abi?
Drop the sledge hammer and step away from the weapon. . . make I give you one unforgettable kiss wey go fix that your faulty system.

But if you decide to misbehave, remember say na me wey carry sledge hammer now o

*this girl is daring me, i will teach her a lesson she will never forget*

Teacher, lesson don start?

@Ptolomeus I really appreciate your input. Thanks.

I think those 'converters' see the treasure in what religious Afrakans today see as devilish because they know the real power behind our Deities. . .

I disagree. I doubt they attach much "real power" to these gods. However I believe they see worth (both as a capitalist and anthropological way of thinking). That is why they are free from the fear of superstitious repercussion - you see, even some converted Africans are still governed by a similar fear that exists amongst animists (except the converted populace believe it's for righteousness sake and an embracement of civilization.)
If the Europeans and co did see "power" in these gods they would revere them as such and not solely as antiques because in some cultures back home the display and looting of these gods would be deemed as sacrilege. I guess one can say that certain outsiders have recycled what Africans have now made redundant or almost deplete. But there will still be much debate about the function these gods are now serving today in their foreign abodes albeit we all don't regard these "idols" with one shared thought. Just because Europeans and the likes have "preserved" these gods, you must remember what for as they exist in a commercial environment which is an antithetical depiction of an archetype god (and such betrays their lack of reverence). If you think about it, a characteristic of a god is to supply wealth not be the means to that gotten wealth - because the selling of god can be likened to selling ones soul. Thus I guess one can conclude that it was not only the Africans that were bought and sold as mere products; their gods suffered a similar fate.
If anything it serves to highlight how detached most of these outsiders are to the spiritual potency of these items. Funnily enough the fact that some Africans will go as far to burn these gods could even convey that some still attach a certain kind of power to them in which they hope to finally quench.
But certainly the Europeans and co are business savvy whereas Africans take matters rightly or wrongly concerning spirituality very seriously - as our neighbours have kindly given us the "word of God" (at a price) they have adopted our rejected gods (again, at a price). Those relegated gods operate under new roles today. Their sceptre had been stripped from the moment they were renounced (and perhaps similarly with Africa's esteem).

Yet I believe one could be delicate, astute or even capitalist in how they deal with certain dying practises because it's astonishing how ignorant and hostile we have become to our own culture and I bet that if our ancestors were to be captured in some sort of concrete form some Africans will burn them also because they may be termed as "demonic mediums".

you have initiates in these systems not only divining for the outside but sharing the little science they have come to master with any devotee waving a buck.

That is a problem we could solve ourselves by better supporting OUR elders financially, if the financial and social support was there a lot of the rut would be regulated across the board and some would even see their powers being stripped the elders would make sure of it.

Interesting point. Still a lot of knowledge is protected and hidden by the custodians - that's even one of the reason why I despair and frown when whoever quickly dismisses native beliefs as "primitive" and round them all up to be "witchcraft" because I wonder to myself, how much does such a person truly know to summarize them as such.

There's an old saying that a hard head makes a soft toochy

Sorry, but what's toochy?

Sweetnecta:
Omo emofine yi, kini excuse iwo lati ma di muslim?
then we shall talk about salat the highest form of 'prayers'.

Sorry I don't understand Subtitles please.

But you shld know that the rules of  engagement in Islam involves that whille a group prays, the others watch over them

I had no prior knowledge to this.

deols, I was first made aware of this occurrence by a Muslim Egyptian so I researched it. Perhaps there may have been some editing but I heard the details of such news directly from an Egyptian. I didn't mean to arouse any politics by posting this picture, a part of me may have wanted to share the beauty in such harmony but I found the news as well as the image quite stirring. Furthermore I was surprised that the Muslims still honoured their prayer time in the middle of their country's revolution and I believe that is in accordance with the theme of this thread.

^^
mcRomeow, I believe that position is no longer vacant. Let me refresh your memory with my following nominee:

Neҳ̸Ҳ̸ҳt (by popular demand):

Bekay[b]911[/b] starring as [b]9[/b]u[b]11[/b]iet

Embrace him harder until my nails pierce his bare skin forcing him to drop his sledgehammer on his right toe


(oya, try me )

In no particular order:

Half man half legend

mcRomeow

La Parisienne, La Parisienne [size=5pt]why hast thou forsaken me [/size]

freecocoa:
So who missed me?

where you dey since?

Boomark:
@emifine. Now that i have dealt with Yori, Pls be my Val. Mine is everyday. 

Wait, let me finish dealing with you first shebi you don tire for wrestling? lol.  In fact I should give you one konk for misspelling my name , but lucky for you I'm a forgiving person so I fit give you a warm embrace . . .

. . . and a spelling tutorial

[quote author=E-Engineer link=topic=871907.msg10210809#msg10210809 date=1329413155]@op, u r right, but just go straight to the point, where do u belong?[/quote]I believe I have gotten straight to the point already. But for emphasis my point is. . . accepting Christianity or Islam or any other such religions that originated from without (Africa) is not a prerequisite for civilized conduct. I am not against any ones religion or faith if the conviction is not contrived nor conceited. However I am against the ill notion that some Africans appear to sub-consciously or consciously erroneously believe that Christianity/Islam is a staple of civilization or now that their eyes have been opened to the "truth" all other practises outside the perimeter of their religion/faith is "satanic"/"uncivilized". A yes for Christianity is not a yes for civilization and a nay for animism is not a nay for primitiveness. There are positives in animism and a lot of that can be adapted instead of falsely summarizing the whole of native beliefs as "witchcraft".

The irony of this whole charade is that those who introduced the word of God to Africa host many of the renounced gods/idols in their plush galleries - reaping a neat sum for their vain effort whilst the overzealous converted Africans continue to destroy them. Why do the converters see the treasure in what Africans see as devilish? If according to them these idols have no power as god why would they have any power as demonic entities?
Demonising ones own culture whilst glorifying another?
Religious dieties are a reflection of ones society.

do u want to be Mrs.Pagan 9ja

I don't think this is a serious question so I'm not motivated to answer such.

ifyalways:
To answer your questions:
Ignorance.
Self hate.
White is good,black is evil.

Btw,I hope they added a little "cross" to fight and perhaps sanctify the man and his "demons"?lol

Yesterday I was in conversation with a Ugandan man. Oh dear, the things I heard.
He credited Christianity for introducing civilization to the dark continent. By means of what I thought. Slavery? A very civilized introduction for a product that is supposedly an embodiment of civilization abi? (smh)
To test his esteem I then asked him a question. If he was sickly and I supplied him with medicine originating from Africa and Europe, which medicine will he likely employ to treat his ailment. Unsurprisingly he said the European product. They are after all better marketers I suppose but he defended his choice by calling the African medicine "crude" and it made me think. . .are there parallels with the choice he made with the medicine and that of his faith as he also dismissed African beliefs as "primitive" or is this a result of conditioning.

I am aware that there were particular atrocious acts existing in Africa - as well as other parts of the world - but does that automatically make us uncivilized people.

There are countless civilizations that predated the era of Christianity on the continent. Perhaps Christianity brought some things that were good. But was that "good" largely undercover work? Was those "good" done in a good way?

One thing I've noticed between Asians and Africans - Asians maintain what is theirs and do not easily accept what is foreign. On the other hand Africans, most appear to be outward-looking people and adopt aplenty from without at the expense of what is theirs. Of course there are advantages and disadvantages to both behaviour. Albeit, it's just a personal observation.

White is good,black is evil.

Hmmn colours are subjective but I get your point.

What are the two sure things in life?

flash11:
Where is kolariolarity and my little 'something something' ??

someone's done a runner eh?

sauer:
emösweery, how i missed you!

and how does that supply me with the answer



(joke) ditto

Aboriginal art and spirituality

Hurombo - Mapfumo

During the Egyptian Revolution when the soldiers were surrounding the protesters, it was the Christians that formed a ring of wall around the Muslims when it was time for them to pray.

This is a very touching and powerful image.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/03/article-0-0D0815F9000005DC-902_634x472.jpg

Abeg, make some of you change the record.

"What if" seems to be setting the paragraph of many conversations today. "What if" Nigerians rejected those imported beliefs huh?

Everything in that country ultimately boils down to politics. Eliminate poverty from the equation and I can guarantee you this North/South schism will begin to pale. No point dreaming about a Christian North or a Muslim South now if poverty still is an ingredient.

For what's it worth I do not point the finger at religion for the heart of the issues crippling Nigeria today, sure they may pose as a by-product but then so does everything that serves to pin-point our differences when politicized.

Native American names.

^^^
Some people are bound by religious duties or perhaps may love their God more than their significant other I guess

Amadou & Mariam - Je pense a toi

Thomas Mapfumo - Kariba

Pfft. Yorisb has been toughening me up, no wahala I for carry cutlass and chop am pass

The Great House of Stone called Zimbabwe - from the people, history, language to Tuku, Chimurenga/Thomas Mapfumo and of course sadza