₦airaland Forum

maclatunji:
^You mean you discovered you are the favourite or your brother is actually an alien from outer space

B) my brother is actually an alien from outer space

jay bee:
Perfectly possible and somewhat understandable sometimes
I'm supposed to be the fav simply because i'm the only boy as well as being the last with six elder sisters. 

Really? I never knew you were yarning true last time. You're in a similar position to my brother then. I even used to suspect my brother was the favourite once upon a time due to the reasons you listed but I discovered otherwise.

maclatunji:
You cannot love your children equally, but you have a DUTY to treat them fairly and equitably!

I've always understood that parents love their children differently but isn't possible that the strength of the love they have for each child could be "equal" (for some parents at least).

Lazarus - I wanna know how it feels like to walk through the valley of the shadow of death

gendebs:
female version of Lefulefu always against Nigeria's men.

Lol, Onila reminds me of 9jafetish - (even though 9jafetish doesn't frequent here anymore). They have kinda similar topics and slightly similar attitudes towards Nigerian men.
Actually I wouldn't be surprised if there's all but ten people on the romance section with all this gender bending and re-incarnations.

Please let this not be another Islam vs Christianity thread. All this strife distracts from the topic.

@davidyan

The torah is contained in the first 5 books of the bible. It is regarded as a history of the God's dealing with the physical jewish nation as a foreshadowing of His own relationship with a redeemed spiritual jewish nation (christians).

Do Christians then regard the Torah as a book of truth despite the absence of the New Testament?

@tbaba1234

Muslim hold the Torah revealed to Moses in high regard, we believe that the first 5 books does contain some truth but we also believe that some truths are also missing,  For muslims, the Quran is the criterion for telling the difference.

I'm trying to imagine certain happenings in my head. Ok the Torah (I imagine) was the first Book of truth. The Bible is an extension of the Torah (at least I think).
And according to Muslims the Quaran is the polished article - "uncorrupted".
Does the Quaran complement the other two Books (Torah + Bible)?

@m_nwankwo

It may appear so on the surface but the reality is that I do not need books or religion to communicate with God.

Ok, so how do you communicate/ engage with God?

God did not create any religion and in the kingdom of God, there is no religion. Obedience to the laws or will of God gives the spirit the buoyancy and purity that will permit it to be admitted into the spiritual kingdom of God.

I believe there's a difference between faith and religion. I've often questioned if one needs religion in order to exercise faith in God.
So I've wondered in the absence of religion can one still forge a relationship with God.
If a person has faith is religion still mandatory in such a person's life? Or does religion carve out faith?
Does religion help maintain one's relationship with God whilst faith propels us nearer to Him?

Unlike your Father, I will not drink water even if a minute grain of sand is in it. I will remove that minute grain and if it is impossible to remove, I will pray to God to provide me a pure cup of water without any grain of sand.

I'm sure many people will grumble at the idea of drinking such liquid unless their condition was desperate i.e dehydration. In an emergency we don't become picky any longer - well for a vast sum of people anyway.
So will you  pray to God to give you clean water if you are dying of thirst? Couldn't you request before drinking the water that those particular additives will not harm your system? Isn't that a mark of faith?

Besides I think you may have slightly missed my illustration. If the cup of water represents the truth vitamins/knowledge of God and you had not drunk from that cup. . .which God are you therefore praying to?
My illustration was meant to show that if there's inconsistencies present in what is regarded as truth should one still drink from the cup knowing that a relationship/understanding of God cannot exist without drinking the water - no matter how unattractive the liquid is, or lies embedded.
It may not be palatable with grains of sands swimming inside but when one is stranded in a desert - that marred water can be a source of help even so far as preventing death. In a life and death situation I am sure many will sip the water.

I will only drink a cup of water mixed with sand if I didnot know that it contains sand.

Aha! Sadly many of us have consumed nutrients (both literal and metaphorical) without knowing where such came from or what it fully contained.

To the Christians and Muslims present, how do you guys regard the Torah? . . . since Judaism is believed to be the progenitor of the Abrahamic faiths.

Alcofrybas

The Nairalander I wanted to meet the most doesn't frequent here anymore


Nairalander: Alcofrybas (cool name )


Why: I liked his eclectic nature; his knowledge and interest of culture via music. His background was also intriguing. I believe I would have learnt a lot from him. He was inquisitive like me.

[quote author=9ja-ninja link=topic=848555.msg9988531#msg9988531 date=1326845066]i actually like you onila but my goodness[/quote]Lol so do I.

[quote author=the_telz link=topic=493331.msg9988563#msg9988563 date=1326845501]Sister,new username?[/quote]Yes o. Na condition mek crayfish bend.

@OP br[i]e[/i]a[i]s[/i]tfeed

welcome back hug, warm kiss and friendly peck

@tbaba1234

Using a medley of books and using your prejudices and emotions to decide what is true in them is not an objective way to find truth. Why?,  We end up choosing what pleases us and rejecting what doesn't please us.

Sound point.

We have an innate disposition to God (fitra) and will always try to find him.

Interesting.

buzugee:
the reason why you have different alterations in the bible is explained in job 9 vs 24. all of this started during the european rennaisance. prior to this, the world was ruled by black men. king james and emperor constantine were black men but they all got white washed during the rennaisance. this is why the KJV will be the most accurate one to read. so when the world falls into the hands of the wicked he tries to cover the faces of the real judges (the israelites and christ by painting them white from black). this is why they have also had to keep updating the bible to remove the parts where it is starkingly obvious that it was written by black men. then they removed some parts of it (the apocrypha). basically it is a white supremacy agenda fulfilling the job 9 vs 24 prophesy.

Do you read the Kwanzaa bible?

^^ Ok. Noted. Thanks.

@m_nwankwo

It appears that you have consolidated all the religious bodies, perhaps even mixed and matched or maybe you don't pertain to the borders. Do you believe spirituality should be without perimeters?

You're analogy depicting the grains of rice as seeds of truth reminds me of a conversation I had with my Christian father.
I had an interesting conversation with him regarding the accuracy of his beliefs however I was taught an important lesson in our dialogue.
Just as I have done here, I questioned the authenticity of the Book he adheres to and used an analogy to illustrate my point.
I likened the "truth" locked in the Book to pure water and slight inaccuracies to grains of sand.
I asked him if he would be willing to drink the cup of water if it had grains of sands laying inside its contents. I asked if he would even consider the water palatable.

And to my amazement he replied me and said, when a man is thirsty he would drink anything just to quench that thirst. Of course he has a point. After all despite the alterations in the liquid, it still remains the only substance that can cure a thirst despite how sweet or bitter it may be.

There is no essential difference between the grain of rice that came through the mouth of any of the prophets of God.

really?

Truth is constant and immutable and thus it is not subject to the earthly fluctuations like geographical location, sex, religious inclination, social status, race, etc.

. . .even if key concepts differ in various religions?

I know that the entire creation is a reflection or an image of the will of God. The material physically visible creation with all its billions of galaxies and sun systems is the last copy and only faintly reflects the original copy (Primordial spiritual creation). Thus material creation is the least approximation to real Life. Primordial Spiritual Creation is the closest reflection of Real Life. Life and Power only resides in God and everything that is not God (Creations and much more) is a reflection or an image of the Life that is in God.  Stay blessed.

What is real life?

onila:
isnt it so obvious am a girl

Actually I was just about to ask if you were indeed female. Never mind.

@Sweetnecta

This is why Quran is a recitation and does not have to be in a book form before it is "LOCKED INSIDE YOUR ESSENCE".

If a person who does not know the arabic hears a Quranic tone of Arabic speech, and then hears Quran recitation in the tone of the speech, he will know the difference from his heart.

His heart will react to the Quran, while his heart will not reach to the Arabic speech even though it is in the exact same tone as the Quran.

later, i will look for a video of a dialogue of a Quranic reciter with a christian propagandist in Australia, where the recitation of the Quran impacted the heart of the christian, while the non Quranic arabic statement, though sounding the same did not.

Is the recitation accompanied with music?

The recitation is the aural image of the Quaran, the breath. . .right? It is still the Quaran but introduced via another medium.

I don't doubt your story or claim at all but even lies can be captivating so if it does stir my heart how does that automatically render the recitals as "truthful"?

Many of us seeking the truth/answers tread with trepidation because we do not want to be beguiled.

Note to self: Work on Emofine, because Nwankwo will easily capture her heart because everything is visual to the artist. And she is one. She can help it when the painter of half truth and others are talking to her.

the tarot card people will continue to talk until they get you to hang on a truth that they stumbled on in your life. From then onward, you will absorb all the garbage that follows, whereas you have been saying no to everything before this incidental truth.

Note to self: Sweetnecta is concluding prematurely

Yes I will admit I find m_nwankwo's thoughts and reasoning fascinating and attractive but as an individual on a personal journey I don't believe there is partnership in such a spiritual walk. Obviously one may come across like minded individuals or others can offer guidance but this isn't a three-legged race. If I follow someone and that person falls, subsequently I will fall.

m_nwankwo himself has encouraged me not to adopt his pattern (again a type of thinking that enchants me as opposed to being pressured or forced) - notwithstanding I appreciate the concern and compassion of genuine believers who only seek to guide me on a path they believe to be true.

As beautiful as his delivery was I'm still sceptical as to whether all m_nwankwo had said is indeed accurate. His spirituality is individual and subjective - it quite possibly might not even be compatible with my being. so I cannot suddenly conform to his way of thinking without much personal experience no matter how attractive it sounds. I liked his words but more than that I liked his individuality, his decision to embark on such a unique trajectory and the fact he didn't feel complaisant in his religious upbringing but instead sought to seek out the truth for himself. All these things I can identify with.

And lastly on the contrary, an artist is not solely inclined to the visual. Not at all

gender bs

nervously hug

Chimezie198:
Slaps her butt[u]s[/u]

As a member of the human race I only have one. I'm not a mutant

Spin

^^ I know what you did last summer!

Ahn ahn, how won't you catch me madam Freecocoa, when that "act" contain me and you both

Mali

Film

^^ that's not what you said last time when you starred alongside moi in my hidden webcam

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=808416.msg9982991#msg9982991 date=1326791445]Hi Emofine. Thank you for your kind words. I do not adhere to any religion. In my teen years to about the age of 22, I examined sacred books of major religions, sacred books of many mystical movements as well as the works of great philosophers including Plato and Immanuel Kant. In all these works I found many things that were spiritually beneficial but they were insufficient to quench my thirst for the Truth. A personal spiritual experience that happened more than 20 years ago lead me to the work "In The Light of Truth-The Grail Message". I am an adherent of the Grail Message. What I write is drawn from the Grail Message as well as my own personal experiences of both the visible and invincible creations of God. I can see and perceive the living language of God and for this reason, I rarely do read spiritual works since I was 23. Stay blessed.[/quote]You are the first person on this site that I can finally identify with. I actually believe there is elements of truth in all the Holy Books but I struggle to accept if the whole articles in their entirety is wholly true. Even though I am intrigued by the symbols embedded in the Holy text, literary work and at times draw my inspiration from some of the passages of these books I cannot see myself nor would I like to be confined in the perimeters of a religion - after all we all have our own interpretation
My own journey is similar to yours except that I'm only in the beginning. It sounds like it would be an exciting and worthwhile one now after communicating with you. I gather that you live in Norway, did your environment have an effect in which trajectory you later took? Shape your thinking?

Do you have a relationship with God (the Creator)?
Was you brought up in a religious home?

Sorry if I'm bothering you with all these questions. I just find your way of thinking and reasoning intriguing.

A personal spiritual experience that happened more than 20 years ago lead me to the work "In The Light of Truth-The Grail Message". I am an adherent of the Grail Message. What I write is drawn from the Grail Message as well as my own personal experiences of both the visible and invincible creations of God.

Hmm I have another book to add in my to read list then.

Do you subscribe to the thought that the things we do not see are by far more real than the things we do see?

Join the pirates of the Indian Ocean




You're the last remaining of your gender

Chihuahua

^^ ah well, you stole my husband so you owe me that much at least

Water

Star in a Nite of a thousand Laughs


Discovered you had a Twin

Commuting

Duct tape Patience's incoherent mouth




Found out you were adopted