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It's funny your just realising or might have seen signs but chosen to discard them
Ever since that NCC stuff,all networks have started doing data anyhow..best thing is night browsing,their data rates are still legit on that plan

The flash
I stand to be corrected

Word!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You deserve a standing ovation for posting this

Lirqur:
You're the one living in ignorance, your ear is itching to ear what you want.

The world and its people is what changed, God never changed for once, so all the law stands.

Your the one confusing yourself,what else am I driving at...your still saying the same thing I'm saying
Simple instruction don't quote me...You did and your still saying what I'm saying...SMH

1.From what i know,magic is mostly just an illusion created to keep the audience entertained and oblivious to the real trick that's going on in the background...This kinda magicians use mind games to imprision the minds of audience so they don't really see beyond what the magician wants them to see... They are only smarter than the average person in the audience using science, technology etc to create illusion
A real magician won't be able to use 100% of his/her cos that would mean your equal to a God in a way and you'll be able to do much more than a magician would ever be able to do...I think the movie LUCY tries demonstrate what happens when humans use their brain capacity at different levels..."Now you see me" shows the creative mind of magicians using illusions to decieve even the people watching the movie...If there's actual magicians that do things that are not human like disappear, become invisible etc then they're not even close to 50% of brain capacity..
I still don't why people use the bible or religious views when dealing with certain things...SMH

Have you seen the animated movie "Moana"?...cos it's one of the easiest ways to explain in a basic way my theory of balance in the universe and also what's your gender if i may ask

preciousuweh:
Bro, I'm not forcing anyone to believe or accept the opinion in my write-up. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I only wanted to pass a message across which I did.
If you read it as you claimed you would have seen/noticed the NOTE/DISCLAIMER paragraph where I admonished christian ladies not to rebel against their church or it's doctrines if it opposed my write-up. That is to show you that I respect everyone's decision. I'm a tolerant Christian, I tolerate everyone irrespective of his or her belief or doctrine.

FYI, my write-up isn't a creative one limited by religion but an inspired one. I didn't oppose or contradict the Bible, I explained it.

Thanks for making out time to read it. I appreciate it.
Let me use this opportunity to invite you to SHILOH at any winners chapel close to you. I hope you will make out time to attend.

THANKS, NAMASTEY.

#XAVIER.

*Sighs*...SMH
1. I never said you write up was a creative one limited by religion, I'm saying that you are a creative thinker limited by religion,like you could use your creative thinking to the max if only you could see how religion is limiting you...
2.I saw the disclaimer but truth is indirectly your still trying to make people see reason behind your argument, I didn't say your forcing it on anyone,but your still trying to justify some else's view on the matter and trying to enlighten another... Don't get me wrong,you may not be forcing it on anyone but other people who still write about things like may not be as tolerant as you are,so it tends to rub off on you and people tend to also see you in that light... Disclaimer or no disclaimer
3.No thanks... I'm gud

enilove:
It is very possible for a Christian to be sinning ignorantly if that Christian does not listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit. Before you engage in a sinful act , if you have the Holy Spirit , an internal voice will warn you and you may obey it or disobey it. Even after the act the Spirit of God will convince you of that sin. But majority don't obey it and it makes the zHoly Spirit to leave them .

I want you to know that God is not after population but after holiness. Jesus said in :

Matthew 7:13-14 KJV
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and FEW there be that find it.

I now understand that I'm only wasting both time and energy on this conversation
Like you knew when you were abusing people ignorantly and unconsciously as a child,or the things you may not even know you did that was wrong cos the Holy spirit was telling you then abi...Pure rubbish
It's clear that your a self righteous person who believes he's on the right path so every other person can go to hell, literally go to hell...So I'm just done...keep living in ignorance,as long as your happy with your illusion
Please do not quote me after this

asalimpo:
I looked at things constructively and circumspectly.
I support my points with the scriptures,but truth is most people esteem their opinions/preconceptions above the scriptures.
You say you "dont wanna hear that" ...
Emotions are not "human attributes" as you say. They're God attributes.
Correct your thinking in that sector.
Man was created in God's image.
Jesus became a man, yes, he laid aside His mighty weight of power and Glory , so the bible says .
The other points are simply beyond the scope of the issue i wanted to address.
Like i said, God has emotions but He doesnt exercise them or let them sway Him like we humans do:
He is not emotional. He doesnt crumble in an emotional wreck like humans do.
Looking at Jesus.
He never sinned!! Despite the pressure to.
When he prayed and sweated blood resisting sin, dont you think a part of Him wanted to relent
and give up? He didnt. He didnt let His emotions lead Him? God is the same.
But did he not feel it? He did.
Jesus,
wept -
was moved by compassion
got angry and expressed His anger (chased out the money changers in the temple, railed on the hypocritical pharisees)
was grieved by the hardness of the hearts of his detractors,
got chaffed by the denseness of his disciples -
played with children (he wasnt stiff and rigid, children dont flock to uncheerful adults)
was joyful (who for the joy set before Him edured the cross,despising the shame)

All these are expressions of emotions - They're are all biblical.
These attributes are not human, they're God attributes , humans have them cuz God gave them to man (man is created in God's image).
They're not also weaknesses.

The fact that Jesus had such emotions means he became human and the fact that think he never sinned also contradicts what the bible says...Every man born of a woman is born into sin or something like that...which means there was no jesus to use to ask for forgiveness,except you'll make exceptions for him because he's God so such rules don't apply to him...or that he prayed to the father and asked for forgiveness...the fact that he didn't sin doesn't make him human...which means it's not a level playing field,he had a upperhand which is still very partial and defies the reason he even came in the first place i.e. to know what it's like to be human, passing the test and bringing salvation to the world as a result
You also saying that humans have the attributes of God cos we're created in his likeness means that he can be controlled by emotions and also make mistakes just like humans which contradicts the popular belief that he doesn't make mistakes cos he's God...if you still don't believe he can be controlled by emotions,he got so angry to the point where he wiped oout everything he created (controlled by anger),before that he found a man and decided to talk to him directly (favouritism) so he can inform a large population about an impending danger that no one knew of except him,then God decided to spare him and his family and then two of each animal[favouritism and lack of concern for the innocent animals who didn't do anything wrong or were the chosen animals different from the others?!] so they could start all over[Trying to correct a mistake]...I could bring more examples where he was controlled by emotions like when he kicked lucifer out of heaven for trying to put his seat above him[who gave Lucifer seat sef??],when he kicked adam and Eve from garden of Eden cos they were tricked by a serpent that they didn't know was lucifer cos they never knew he existed...Clear signs the bible is depicting he had emos but what I'm now saying is that constructive thinking would make you understand that there's no limit to what a God can do...so why should he even have human emos,he could have something much more than that.something our tiny limited brains cannot know or phantom..The bible to me isn't relevant when conversating about things like this cause it's a book that supports anybody no matter what your views are to a certain extent... That's why I'm urging to think outside the Bible,and argue without bias

enilove:
I have Christian music but not downloaded from the internet. The Bible applications I have in my phone are from Google Play store and are free.

You can call it copywrite or intellectual property , any name you give to it , the fact is that it belongs to someone else. It is another person's property.
There are commandments regarding taking another person's property in the Bible. It does not change. Stealing is stealing , whether through the internet or not.

First off i don't believe you don't have songs directly or indirectly downloaded from the internet...It may actually be true but that would mean yoi don't listen to music at all
And secondly, i never said stealing wasn't stealing but it could be completely misunderstood due to many factors...So what your now trying to say is that every other Christian that has songs that are illegally downloaded without consciously knowing that it's stealing are both wasting their time and are destined for eternal damnation right...Hope you understand what I'm getting at

asalimpo:
Bro, Jesus wept. And He was God in the flesh.
God has emotions too - or dont you know that.
The Holy Spirit can be grieved
God was so pleased with Solomon ,He blessed him without asking.
Our emotional attributes stem from God, only that fallen man is corrupt in it's manifestation.
We have a high priest ,Jesus, who can be touched with our infirmities ...
They're dieties alright , but they're not stoic beings.
Jesus said, be of good cheer - how dyu translate that in today's english!!
- be cool,be happy, etc. Emotional right?

Yup...truth is I don't really buy into the whole Christian theory but i will still conversate like I'm one so we both understand each other...
First if jesus came to earth then he has to have human attributes, it's like you entering a box that's really small but you can fit in it...you can't say you won't conform or adjust so you can fit in... So he's divinity and godly attributes were rendered useless...otherwise when he was crucified he wouldn't have bled or pain and other things which is still human shotcomings
The fact that you look at things from one point only is what makes you say things like that...you consider everything first...Or aren't you seeing that the points your mentioning are favouring a particular set of people and very partial...The same God that created everybody right still destroys he's creation as stated in the bible countless times,he even supporte the isrealites and helped to conquer their enemies and enslave people,examine things before you digest it and buy into it
If you really think he has emotions then why don't you also say he got angry and wiped out the whole world and favoured Noah and also favoured a certain people known as the isrealites throughout cos the rest of his creations are useless to him and don't deserve a second chance...you now start telling me that jesus came to redeem all, I don't wanna hear that,what of the people who existed before Jesus came...are they also doomed for eternity?...i hope you look at this constructively and improve your argument

enilove:
What is illusion and which commandments of God is becoming misunderstood to you ?

Everything you need to know concerning your​ eternal destination is written in the Bible . For hell bound people :

Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these ; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

For heaven bound People :
Galatians 5:22-24 KJV
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[23] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[24] And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

I am not surprised at what you posted , not at all. Why? It is the end time. The Bible makes us to understand that :

2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Lmfaoooo.... Exactly what I'm saying,certain things were not existing when the parts of the bible was written,Now let me ask you questions you that thinks you know all when it comes to things like that.
Do you have Christian music on your phone?Did you download it legally by actually purchasing it?Did you know that your part of the many Crhristians downloading things illegally from the internet breaking copyright laws most especially in Nigeria? Does bible saying anything about copyright laws or downloading illegally,it didn't cos there was nothing like the internet at that time...if you want me to list more examples i would

There's no good or bad inside this one...if you wanted to give 50 cos that's the best you can do and you have 200, won't you collect change ni?...same goes for 20 and you have 100...Unless your not giving cos you really want to,then there was no reason to give in the first place

what your doing right now is what most Christian folks are doing unconsciously... Using human knowledge and attributes to understand or qualify a "God"...SMH,do you actually think if a God exists he will have any human shortcomings or be like humans,a God who knows and sees all,your now saying that he'll be hurt...SMH again...your limited by human knowledge and your talking like you can even phantom what he would be like...Animals, trees,sun,moon,stars etc he created everything abi so why would you still think he would still be like or have similar attributes with one particular creation, that's limited thinking
If it is like that then he would be hurt or crying every second or minute cos of any mishap in the world he created...Smh again and again

enilove:
To live holy is not negotiable , it is a must. From personal experience , I know it is possible and it is a must.

Show me a sinful Christian and I will show you a powerless and hell bound Christian .

All the commandments of God must be kept.

If hell is real , then holiness is a must.

LMAO...i hear you oh
Keep killing yourself by try to achieve the impossible if that's what makes you happy then no problemo
But I'm pretty sure the commandments of God is slowly becoming misunderstood due to the generation gap btw the time it was written and now,so you may be thinking your in your mind doing God's will but in the end your doing the wrong things without even knowing it...But please keep living in your illusion as long as your happy doing it

preciousuweh:
My write up explained a lot of things only if you will make out time to read it.

I know it is lengthy, that's because I explained everything in details backed up with bible passages.
it also contains frequently asked questions in regards to this topics and how I answered them by GOD'S grace.

I know it is lengthy but try and read it. just try.

I've read it and would like if all that was from own creative thinking.If it is then your just another amazing creative thinker limited by religion...Truth is you actually have really valid points but your what your doing right now is talking to walls just like atheists when talking and trying to convince Christians and vice-versa...The people who would agree with you are there and the ones who would disagree even if they would die are still there...Your even a male, don't know why your stressing yourself over something that's not affecting you in anyway...The people that is affecting have understood that no matter how much they try to convince it won't work sothey just ignore the judging eyes,and do what they feel make them happy... I'm slowly learning to accept people and whatever s*** they do as long as it makes them happy in the end... I can only try to make them think and consider things that could make them happy but i can't force them cos i can't know what really makes them happy...Just do whatever makes you happen end of discussion,lifes way to short to do anything that won't make you happy

Gggg102:
At some point high heels were regarded as men's foot wear
http://mentalfloss.com/article/48672/where-did-high-heels-come

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-13/why-do-we-wear-high-heeled-shoes/9135936

What exactly are you driving at... i don't wanna make any assumptions

preciousuweh:
How did I twist what the bible said.
I don't think you actually read what I posted/said.
please go back and read it and do it slowly and steadily.
When you are done, you can come and point out how I twisted what the bible said.

Done..Now you re-read what i wrote and show me were i was directly referring to you
2.It was also generally known that at some point trousers was generally accepted as men clothing and skirts as women clothing in the church,and even till now it still somehow feels like it's wrong otherwise you won't be trying to justify your conscience,a new church pops out with different view from the previous one,then you join that church cos it benefits or supports your view,now your writing a long ass story still doing same thing every other person that supports your view has done...Your just confusing yourselves and fostering hatred amongst yourselves with one thinking the other is delusional when it fact it's a general delusion,
Just do what you want to do,wrong or right in the end nobody is 100% correct...

preciousuweh:
How did I twist what the bible said.
I don't think you actually read what I posted/said.
please go back and read it and do it slowly and steadily.
When you are done, you can come and point out how I twisted what the bible said.

Done...You re-read what i wrote and show me were i was directly referring to you
2.It was a

mexxmoney:
This woman is an agent of the kingdom of darkness. God's judgment is coming on her if she doesn't desist from this evil acts

Just like you

Zanas:
Devilish women everywhere. SMH

And you

And some people would still believe this shit...SMH

You say that whatever is written in the Bible is final but yet you still look for ways to twist all of it to your own benefit... I'm referring to Christians...But thing that still baffles me it's the same "God" y'all are serving and you believe he's still behind all of you even with the many changes you've made to his "Word" that he specifically asked you not to change otherwise you'll be punished...And yet he still supports y'all...
Don't you see how delusional y'all are..SMH

enilove:
It is not religion that will take you to heaven , it is your faith in God through His Son Jesus Christ.
Believe that Jesus died for you and start​ to live holy.
Matthew 7:24 KJV
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Anything outside Jesus Christ is eternal error.

Do you really think it's possible to live holy?
Or is it just an illusion that you've accepted cos you think someone or people have done it before or are doing it not because you can vouch for yourself on account of personal experience
"First remove the beam in your eye before you remove the log in someone else's eye".I just love this quote

budaatum:
Well, I think the world is a better place just because you and I are here pondering. By the time we are done I would be better off for it. Or do you not see how you are positively affecting me? For one, you make me consider things I may not have seen cause to consider. I tell you for a fact that I am improved.

Now, consider the technology we are using for the conversation we are having. We wouldn't be able to do so without it and you would have had no influence on me whatsoever and I would not have not been improved by you. In fact, how dare you not see how you positively affect me!? Know ye not that ye are being godly? And is that not due to your personal development as a person? I put it to you that by now, some other two less developed individuals would have found reason to insult the other by now, but because of your personal advancement, you indulge me.

If human beings had not pondered existence, we would still be naked, living in caves and eating one another. Thunder and lightning would strike in the sky and we would sacrifice a few individuals to avert the wrought of our god. We'd probably have more children, but more would die if there weren't advancement in technology that now ensures more survive. Their would be famines because we couldn't move food around. Some would be enslaved to others and many would die because they know not what the heck they must do to live. And whatever time we do spend living will be brutal short and bleak if nothing else.

The earth was never a paradise as some would have us believe, and it is much better today than it has ever been in the past. We just have to continue to learn to be better in using the resources at our disposal, is what I think.

Thanks for the motivation and compliment...means a whole lot
The feeling is mutual... Somehow you have improved my overall knowledge, haven't had this much fun in a while but it would be best if we could continue this convo 1 on 1,but I'm not sure certain factors would allow that...
So in order to reduce the stress of writing and constructive thinking I'd put a stop to this by saying
Everything works together for the benefit of universal balance,we may not be able to change certain things or reverse the irreversible but i guess we can only try and enjoy this one chance at life,we may never come back and the era of humans just like dinosaurs would come to an end due to our own curiosity, funny thing is during the course of this convo I got a new idea that I'm currently still trying to figure out...What if the dinosaurs were just like humans,maybe they could talk,and somehow thought they were the most important part of the universe,and somehow started altering the balance and in the end just like the fate of humanity they were wiped out somehow, meteor or no meteor shower, it's just a thought experiment so it could a load of bs, everything that happens,to me is the universe balancing itself, the religious and the nonreligious,the people who die and the ones that are born,the natural disasters,the fact that people who believe opposite of the same thing just like me and you,the people who believe in tithes and the ones who feel and laugh at those people for believing in tithes,the people who die of certain diseases while others live,i could go on...at some point the universe is going to start again,heal itself and by that time there would nothing left of humanity except the traces that we existed to be studied by new species,it could be a continuous cycle with the universe experimenting until the best species emerge or the universe ceases to exist..i can only assume.I can't know what could happen beyond my human knowledge.
I don't know whether the universe is a god or whatever theory we humans have come up with...All i can do is enjoy the now knowing that the universe can take any actions and do anything to keep the balance, You hear stories of accidents but the thing is more than a hundred cars passed that same place but in that moment the universe balanced itself,a Lion that can't swim falls into water,drowns and dies, it's the universe balancing itself, we can only to prevent it, doesn't mean you can prevent the inevitable.You may not understand what I'm saying now but there's a greater logic behind my theories...I will not be able to share it cos of the volume and complexity, I don't like writing also
This is just a thought experiment and you can choose to discard or critically evaluate and come out with a much better theory, I'm totally open to any...

I think the level of importance depends on the relationship,if it were to be someone close to you that's getting married and someone you are acquainted or just related to that's being buried, you'd most prolly go to the wedding but if the reverse was the case you'd go to the burial cos it's the last respect you'd ever pay such a person and to show that what ever relationship you had is cherised
But in the case where it's two close people at the same time then you'd prolly go the person closer to you.. I don't know what the case is right now but I'm only sharing my thoughts

Optimist1998:
I couldn't agree more.
Left for me, I'd say the world was made for fishes. How do you explain the fact that the earth is 71% aquatic? Last I checked we don't have gills. How about our Nitrogen infested atmosphere? These are some loop holes in our human supremacist ideologies. Sadly, nobody likes to be seen as nothing. We love thinking we're at the helm of affairs.

This is where I beg to differ. You could easily be mistaken for a promoter of "ignorance". If I may ask, who taught humans how to think? (or ponder as you call it.) I guess we should blame our brains too or its configuration. In essence, I'm saying things would be worse if we pondered any less, we would very much have succumbed to our environment if we didn't.
You can ask the dinosaurs or the millions of animals that went into extinction before our existence.


Footnote:
I understand the reason for your stance but it's human nature, there's very little we can do to stop ourselves from asking questions. You're familiar with the hackneyed saying "curiosity killed the cat". Our universe is going to implode someday anyway. Like you said before, our actions are quite insignificant when you look at the big picture.

Cheers.

Writing is not necessarily one of my strongest points so I'd agree that sometimes i can be misunderstood as you've mentioned
I never tried to rule out the fact that it's human nature to think and be curious...This is inborn trait that cannot be changed...My assumptions are only based on what ifs, there are two effects of being curious,the harmless effect and the harmful effect... I'd like to think it was harmless at first but with time it's become harmful and there's nothing we can do to reverse what has already being done
For example, the curiosity of the Europeans and "whites" led to the discovery of Africa and africans...it was a harmless curiosity at first but then the later effects were nothing to write home about...So I'm not saying it's wrong for humans to be curious or think,i mean this is something that's inevitable and dominant in all living things, I'm just saying that it's done more harm than good to the balance in the universe
Like i said before,pondering, thinking,being curious leads to the need to find answers which in turn leads to more answer searching and given the flaws in the human nature,things that started out as harmless has become the reason for the troubles in the world...i hope you understand what I'm trying to say
I've observed that you are acquainted with certain british slangs,and i think it's pretty rad and your writing is fantastic, I'd give you that
Cheers

budaatum:
Your writing is adequate. You can tell if it seems I get your point.

So, the the above. If I accept the illusion based on my ability to walk in a straight line that I had reached the end of the room, I think my path would be rather narrow.

I do not accept that pondering leads to damage. In fact, such thinking is based on biblical programming, that earth was a garden of Eden until Eve ate a fruit. It isn't true though, and in fact, the knowledge of good and evil made us into gods, albeit very small ones, for now.

In the modern world, knowledge has made us live longer, with fewer dying, and there is a lot more of us. Just imagine what Nigeria would be like if we knew less than we currently know, and then consider what it would be like when we learn much more. I put it to you that we will indeed become gods living in paradise

In the modern world,pondering and a quest to understand the simplicities of life has done the greatest damage and little good...Now let's look at the universe with an unbiased mind,no God no evolution and anything that we think influenced it in anyway,now if we humans didn't ponder or could ponder but debunked the idea,we would have a world that equals paradise cos everything would be so balanced,but the point when something starts to alter the balance...Things start happening... I'll list some of them
1.The quest to know why everything exists brought about the God theory,which later evolved into religion and this brought about disagreement between humans due to their different religious beliefs, different doctrines and idealogys this led to religious wars and it's still happen today with the bombings,the tithe issues and all the shit we see on the religion page on NL,it also has a positive effect but on larger scale it's pretty much done more harm than good
2.The quest to improve the quality of living led to the inventions of so many things,which have good effects but on a larger scale it's altering the balance in the universe...Crude oil for example is one of the greatest hazards ever know to man,Fishes die due to oil spillage,the ozone layer is toast due to carbon emissions still gotten from crude oil,the Earth is being drilled constantly in order to get it and the consequence is still lurking in the shadows waiting for the time it would be unleashed,then humanity would be doomed etc...
3.The quest to be seen as purposeful and important,this is one of humanities greatest alteration of universal balance...This encompasses all other quests,the fact that we think ourself something greater than our own ordinariness was the greatest mistake,no seeing how well placed and symbiotic nature was,was the greatest mistake ever...The people who wrote the Bible clearly understood this and highlighted it using the story of Adam and eve...We thinking that we are better than the every other thing that exists is our greatest mistake, that for some reason we are chosen to be the most important part of the universe whether it's religious or non religious belief, it's all the same but truth is we are not more important than the dust in the air.. Without the dust in the air or the billons of cells that make up your body or the trees or the sun or the rain or the tinest ants to the biggest elephant,then the balance is altered and all of the universe would suffer for it,born or unborn, existent or non existent
Pondering and quest work hand in hand...with the former occuring first
You mentioned something about things getting better due to pondering...i refuse to accept that because like i said before pondering leads to more pondering, altering the balance of the universe leads to more altering cos the universe would always try to balance itself,so in the end it's like creating something that would lead to the creation of many other things as solution to the thing that was initially created and all we're doing is trying to buy ourselves more time,therefore trying to stall an inevitable end...The End of the World is the most recurring and universally accepted belief in the world
I do not know what it would have been like if the first generation of humans didn't ponder or try to understand the universe and alter it but I'm just from my own perspective and human knowledge I've acquired trying to create the best possible scenario

budaatum:
But it does hold water, to little children. It is however a tool of bad parenting (like the whip). So yes, lets get rid of it by educating parents to be better.

As I mentioned, I used 'bible' very loosely to mean ancient religious law, which I am claiming, every society had.

Please know that pondering (seeking), leads to a conclusion.


Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]" Gospel of Thomas

Lol I'd take that as a compliment
Every conclusion is only a delusion that is created when certain requirements are met...There was a time when it was a general belief even considered as a fact that the earth was flat...this was a conclusion at that time cos it met certain requirements and provided very valid evidence until this conclusion was rubbished by the expansion in the knowledge of humanity...space travel is one of such expansions..So all i would say is that conclusion is only an illusion that is accepted when it's either beneficial or when there's no other valid reason due to the limit of the human knowledge in that time...For example if you keep walking in a dark room and you only know how to walk in a straight line,then you meet an obstruction,you conclude that you've reached the end of the room..but if someone who know how to move sideways and also in a straight line comes along and discovers that there's a way past the obstruction when he moves sideways and then forward,he then rubbishes the conclusion of the previous person and then keeps going until he meets another obstruction,then he concludes that he has reached the end of the room but may still keep in mind that he may not be correct cos of the previous person thought same but after moving sideways around the room and straight forward and he doesn't find a new way past the obstruction which could be a four conered wall..clearly there's no way past..so he concludes he has reached the end but with a little skeptism...This is considered as true until someone who knows how to move upwards comes along and so on...so therefore conclusion to me cannot be reached until human knowledge is equals to that of a god... That's when humans will use 100% of the brain capacity,which is almost impossible...So my good friend all we can do is ponder but the best thing to do is to accept the illusion that is beneficial to you and stick to it..cos all we ever get from pondering is more pondering which often leads to greater consequences such as the damages humans have caused on Earth
I'm not really good at writing.. I'm just trying to get a point across

otipoju:
From time immemorial, religion and politics have been diameter twins joined at the hip and each sphere has a tremendous influence on each other.

The purpose of tithing and offerings is " so that there will be food in my house" implying that the contributions of church members is meant to benefit the less privileged , church workers and finally the Pastor and his family....twas not meant to enrich the pastor at the expense of less privileged members of the church.

Now in Nigeria we have pastors who have no jobs or other sources of income claim that they are rich abd flaunt their wealth in the face of their members when we know that " naturally our money be that oo"

Even God says in the book of psalms that he does not eat sacrifices but is pleased by a humble and contrite heart that helps those that are in need.

Now if Pastors and government officials are embezzling what has been entrusted to them to manage , it is only natural that people will hold them into account.

After all if two thieves come to your house to steal, one is armed the other is not and comes with his bare hands,...you will try and catch the unharmed one first.

Pastors and government officials are both thieves. Government is an armed robber while Pastors are petty thieves.

Lmao...so on point

Hier:
Okay, you are getting it, until the retired part

God didn't retire, God doesn't intrude into a property that's not His, neither does He come to a place where He's not invited, so pray become an aftermath of the fall, it was originally fellowship

I hope you have a pen to noted[/b this

Nope I'm not noting it cos i don't understand anything you just wrote